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thestringpuller: mod6: was this started from a /clean/ env or is this trying to load up a blockchain from christmas past? << I completely nuked the datadir .bitcoin with rm -rf *; whenever I do an rpc call after the thing _tries_ to spin up, it borks. crashes without anything except what was in the db.log. I'm almost certain it's an issue with bdb because no blocks are downloaded or anything. cause it connects to the node I specify gets basic
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: re handwriting, it is a mystery for the ageists
ben_vulpes: sure, but did you miss the line where i asked "what data structure will work here?"?
ben_vulpes: i must now admit to only a kindergarten level understanding of data structures, for any who remain un-clued-in to this fact
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 17:21:24; mircea_popescu: who the fuck else is this FUCKING EQUALITARIAN, huh ?
ben_vulpes: please bear with me for a moment, hashes are then actually a sortable thing, a la...integers?
ben_vulpes: in that any byte array can be used to represent an integer?
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 17:22:53; asciilifeform: these selfsame folks will happily pose topless, or opencunted, etc. ~in the right place~
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You only don't encounter many, because in capital zone they get deported here or Ohio. Or maybe you just haven't much been to walmart.
BingoBoingo: But no, the circus freaks get out. It's just they most often go places they can sit or ride venue provided scooty puffs.
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 17:12:09; asciilifeform: and multithreaded gcd--er
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 18:35:54; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we don't have sql in there now. this was re: the notion of using sqlite.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32900 @ 0.00050182 = 16.5099 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 20:51:20; mircea_popescu: This year HBR changed the evaluation criteria from "stock price only"1 to an agglomeration of fuzzy metrics that include stock price in addition to Sustainalytics' proprietary "goodness evaluation" metrics.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 158177 @ 0.00050046 = 79.1613 BTC [-] {4}
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do you want a rehash of the GUD stuff? a wholesale reexamination of every point in the piece?
assbot: The myths of "the good life" and that work should be fun and happen in a fun place only serve to enslave you to the progressive's hedonic treadmill ... (
http://bit.ly/1OqnvOT )
ben_vulpes is surprised asciilifeform's parser can handle the title, much less the piece
ben_vulpes: how is it that place can get away without showing a profit?
thestringpuller: also iirc you don't pay any taxes if you technically make no profit.
ben_vulpes: this shit is enough to make me despair of anything but burning everything down.
ben_vulpes: there are specific heads i'm out for yet.
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, is there anything to this gdansk deepwater port nyooz?
trinque: +asciilifeform │ (usg-powered, like all other 'superstar' stocks) << wat?
trinque: amazon has been treated on the logs several times
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 22:24:21; mircea_popescu: trinque the fed mostly owns privately issued paper anyway. mostly bond bundles, but most of them are tied to stocks (via banks) so in point of fact the fed owns atm ~118-122% or so of the entire us economy
trinque goes to find current numbers, but iirc they run thin *profits*
trinque: and the strategy is to outrun competitors in this manner.
trinque: I don't see the fault with it.
thestringpuller: i think shareholders forced apple to pay dividends cause sitting on as much cash as they allegedly had is extremely risky, cause inflation
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63800 @ 0.00050254 = 32.0621 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 22:08:21; asciilifeform: and considering that secret courts and secret laws are now sop in usaschwitz, perhaps it was tested 1,001 times and was laughed at from day one
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 22:17:53; Azelphur: Haven't been active in here in a while, howdy :)
mircea_popescu: best use of one's time in this field, deeply recommended for any gentleman anyway.
assbot: Logged on 25-12-2015 01:30:11; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: let mircea_popescu know when you've reached the correct level of despair, he will issue you with a pin with which to poke out eyes of guards
mircea_popescu: Make sure your article is easy to read. People familiar and not will be reading the articles.
mircea_popescu: shit. i could have written for "bitcoin news" ALL THIS TIME ?
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phf: dc is actually quite pleasant when all the apparatchiks are home celebrating national holiday
☟︎ phf: cigar bar was all malcontents and characters
phf: but yeah, it's fucking hot out
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77500 @ 0.00050694 = 39.2879 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: here near stl is is a pleasant spring weather
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51550 @ 0.00050484 = 26.0245 BTC [-]
assbot: Every year this smug fat bastard breaks into people's home and stuffs himself with cookies. The worst part is no one says a word about it. I blame fat acceptance. | fatpeoplehate ... (
http://bit.ly/1YFDbgF )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00050522 = 4.1428 BTC [+]
phf: there's been reports in the media that naughty or nice database has been breached, but of course everyone knows that santa has been cooperating with NSA for years
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00050522 = 16.1165 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24350 @ 0.0005051 = 12.2992 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: the link you cite as mircea_popescu picking 0.5.3 is a response to a request for a copy of the source of a particular vintage
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48050 @ 0.00050694 = 24.3585 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: Merry Xmas ya'll. Or at least the people within my timezone...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66000 @ 0.00050562 = 33.3709 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32800 @ 0.00050601 = 16.5971 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15410 @ 0.00050427 = 7.7708 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell BingoBoingo qntra.net/contact/ << missed this one?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28990 @ 0.00050385 = 14.6066 BTC [-]
jurov: heh, looks like a bsnss opportunity for a paid pastebin >:D
punkman: ben_vulpes: not just newlines, you can add spaces, tabs, and possibly other things at end of lines
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 09:40:13; punkman: (exercise for students: clearsign a piece of text. append as many trailing spaces/tabs/CRs as you like to the clearsigned text. check if it's still valid. repeat process with detached signature, see what happens)
ben_vulpes: ah that's right you beat me to this one by a long shot
☟︎ ben_vulpes: but i don't think you called out specifically that you can rewrite the whole file's line ending styles without invalidating it
☟︎ punkman: we'd have a lot more bad signatures if it wasn't the case
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92000 @ 0.00050665 = 46.6118 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: ben_vulpes: while signed pasties are nice for the pastie collector, ain't nobody got time for that
punkman: I guess it'd be useful as deedbot input
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27863 @ 0.00050694 = 14.1249 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: there's an experimental aspect to it as well, in the vein of getting more signed msterial out in the world
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52500 @ 0.000507 = 26.6175 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: ben_vulpes: gpg is okay with changed line endings in clearsigned content. However, some email clients helpfully wrap text or add/remove empty lines and there the buck stops.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29850 @ 0.00050148 = 14.9692 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23350 @ 0.00050959 = 11.8989 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 25-12-2015 07:07:34; phf: dc is actually quite pleasant when all the apparatchiks are home celebrating national holiday
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63450 @ 0.00050138 = 31.8126 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 25-12-2015 09:15:18; ben_vulpes: the link you cite as mircea_popescu picking 0.5.3 is a response to a request for a copy of the source of a particular vintage
assbot: Logged on 25-12-2015 09:47:49; thestringpuller: BingoBoingo:
https://archive.is/srW6Q << oh look. "competition". Roger Ver wants to get into journalism now. Whatever happened to that "successful" BitcoinStore.com shit he used to run
assbot: Logged on 25-12-2015 11:09:52; ben_vulpes: ah that's right you beat me to this one by a long shot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.00050959 = 7.1088 BTC [+]
jurov: mircea_popescu: as the pics are from '50-'60s, surely not.
mod6: ;;later tell pete_dushenski Hey, thanks for starting to write up some of this stuff. I aught to point out at least one thing: 'Checkpoints excised by Shane Kinney'
mod6: read this section: [ Tabling of Checkpoints Patch ]:
punkman: isn't verifyall equivalent to no checkpoints?
mod6: And this statement is not accurate: ``With the “rm_checkpoints” patch, the wedge issue at Block 252450 was overcome.''
mod6: it was this patch that overcame that issue: bitcoin-v0_5_3-db_config.6.vpatch
mod6: Sorry that it's confusing and not super easy to follow, just hoping to make your cool historical timeline a bit more accurate. Salud!
mod6: - if (!(fBlock && (nBestHeight < Checkpoints::GetTotalBlocksEstimate())))
mod6: + if (fVerifyAll || (!(fBlock && (nBestHeight < Checkpoints::GetTotalBlocksEstimate()))))
mod6: different patch though
mod6: and its worthwhile to point out the db locks thing is separate
shinohai: Let me say that -verifyall really does it's job of verifying blocks lol
☟︎ shinohai: Also, been stalled on block 381423 for ~12 hours.
gribble: Current Blocks: 390129 | Current Difficulty: 9.34486707963238E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 391103 | Next Difficulty In: 974 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 2 hours, 37 minutes, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mircea_popescu: heh, i suppose that's the strongest indictment for the soviets ever : can't fucking distinguish 50s from 80s looking at the pictures.
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00050966 = 8.18 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: <punkman> isn't verifyall equivalent to no checkpoints? << in trb yes. otherwise... complicated.
assbot: Logged on 25-12-2015 16:49:49; mircea_popescu: heh, i suppose that's the strongest indictment for the soviets ever : can't fucking distinguish 50s from 80s looking at the pictures.
assbot: Logged on 25-12-2015 16:45:04; shinohai: Let me say that -verifyall really does it's job of verifying blocks lol
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> heh, i suppose that's the strongest indictment for the soviets ever : can't fucking distinguish 50s from 80s looking at the pictures. << yeah, whenever i see these older pics, I can't tell if its 30 years ago or 60
mod6: totally nothing. i actually kinda like these.
assbot: Logged on 18-08-2014 00:46:28; mircea_popescu: so here is a "witness" bitcoin, v 0.6 and there is your "improved" 0.10 (lulzy that it's not 1.0 anymoar)
assbot: Logged on 25-12-2015 11:26:49; ben_vulpes: there's an experimental aspect to it as well, in the vein of getting more signed msterial out in the world
assbot: Logged on 25-12-2015 16:06:51; mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-12-2015#1352791 << it's true, i never picked 5.3 per se. my contribution was that i said no later than 6 series ; foundation held an informal hearing, decided to go the earliest possible rather than latest possible route, supoena'd me for historical copies which i provided and htey used.
assbot: Logged on 22-10-2014 18:45:41; *: jurov just snatched therealbitcoin.org/.com . we'll see.
mircea_popescu: looky, the 1990 revolutions happened because hunger. this is a fact.
mircea_popescu: the article kinda mocks some .ro rappers because hey, hunger. anyway.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> maybe i'm just thick, but i can't think of what ben_vulpes's 'wotpaste' is actually for << not really his, i just idly asked why would we make a special thing for paste when deedbot already has all that functionality and more. within the same ten minutes it came to light why and the matter went away afaic.
mircea_popescu: the guy that got all butthurt about his eth short not good enough for you ?
mircea_popescu: the other guy that was going to "ruin bitbet in social media" because similar ?
mircea_popescu: was discussing more the hitler jugend one-inch-over-pubis skirts
mircea_popescu is partial to that fashion for girlies, perhaps on account of having grown up in a sea of teenybopper knickers.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know the (same vintage) aspirin contraception joke ?
mircea_popescu: mod6 reconfigures BDB to pass the wedge at block 252450 << remember that alf ? :D
mircea_popescu: i think locks and lock behavious is nsa's #1 favourite metacomputing item.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16550 @ 0.00051009 = 8.442 BTC [+]
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VariaVarietatis: asciilifeform: heard a rumor they might close the drone base in turkey, think this is true?
shinohai: I prefer physical calculators myself. Apps suck.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84750 @ 0.00050961 = 43.1894 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 03:52:50; mats: jesus the hp 16c goes for 200+
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: that reminds me of professor who said to class, "Why the fuck does Word need 1GB of memory and we got to the moon on 12kb of RAM?"
thestringpuller: Millions of people have been bamboozled into thinking that editing a letter in real time requires a supercomputer. << but how has the consumer been so easily bamboozled.
thestringpuller: some schmuck has to be like "This is how it is, and this is what you are to expect." for "consumers to have come to expect"
thestringpuller: ofc. but yet still operators today, for instance coworkers refuse to use VIM cause "hard"
thestringpuller: but yet when Atom or Sublime or other bastardized notepad explodes they complain.
thestringpuller: I blame the web developers. Fancy CSS and prettiness > functionality
thestringpuller: Meanwhile, I want to build a sane computer, but I feel it's futile because Microshit and Apple ruined everything... :(
assbot: Logged on 25-12-2015 11:10:20; ben_vulpes: but i don't think you called out specifically that you can rewrite the whole file's line ending styles without invalidating it
assbot: Logged on 15-08-2015 17:51:51; asciilifeform: because it doesn't belong in-band.
punkman: no reason we can't have pseudo-clearsigned, text at the top with hex escapes for unprintables, full msg+sig in lower base64 part
assbot: Logged on 15-08-2015 17:56:24; asciilifeform: now you have to CARE ABOUT THE INSIDES
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78083 @ 0.00050135 = 39.1469 BTC [-] {3}
punkman: I don't want 'clearsigning', but if I'm gonna have ascii armored messages/sigs, might as well stick them in one blob, and an unencoded "preview" of the message can be nice to have
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127050 @ 0.00050687 = 64.3978 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62600 @ 0.00050263 = 31.4646 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 25-12-2015 19:08:06; asciilifeform: ^ mega-l0l
punkman: and he even has testing devices
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64673 @ 0.00050428 = 32.6133 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes baffled that ipnohe coolie is starving somehow
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes note that often these self-misrepresented "techs" are actually 6 weeks away from the day they first heard of "that css programming language"
mircea_popescu: as illustrated by discussion of "entrepreneurs" quoted in the logs.
ben_vulpes: but i was up till 5 last night, so not really applying the razor
assbot: Logged on 25-12-2015 19:47:55; asciilifeform: there cannot be a reasonable way to do an unreasonable thing.
ben_vulpes: punkman, mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: destestable though they may be for injecting state into the stateless protocol, would a single "signin" page with an assbot-style decryption of OTP that results in a session key authenticating the user to the perlwad be an improvement, and are there better solutions i'm not considering? anonymous drive-by pasting is not a better solution imho.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: because i have no interest in building things for the mob.
punkman: ben_vulpes: perhaps issue something like "api key" to users, have a shell script to pipe things to, that sends authenticated paste request
ben_vulpes: and having a known set of users rules out a whole class of misbehaviors.
mircea_popescu: how about this : only accept gpg-encrypted communications, and only distribute the pubkey to people you like.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: and redistribute whenever someone pisses in my cheerios?
ben_vulpes: i did briefly consider letting people sub out a disposable key
mircea_popescu: you can just deed a notice, which you encrypt to everyone's key.
ben_vulpes: alternatively, rotate the pubkey every day, encrypting to l2 and hosting myself.
ben_vulpes: but this is extremely inconvenient to use.
mircea_popescu: meh, i'm not downloading new pubkeys every day to use your paste thing
mircea_popescu: might do it a once a year or some shit, but that's about it.
mircea_popescu: alternatively : everyone get a fucking blog, and in that blog have a uploads directoy, and that's fucking that.
assbot: Logged on 25-12-2015 11:01:25; ben_vulpes: isn't that called a webserver?
ben_vulpes: that's what i've been doing, but it's not working and i'm still seeing heinous linefeed issues hamstringing and tripping up trb scouts
ben_vulpes: plus every irc community evolves until it has its own pastebin or how did that old saw go
ben_vulpes: people are still using motherfucking dpaste!
ben_vulpes: and miscellaneous other pasteshites who shit crlfs and waste precious trb time
ben_vulpes: people aren't getting blogs and using them.
ben_vulpes: i'm not saying that they won't, i'm say that nobody appears to actually be doing so.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52800 @ 0.00050493 = 26.6603 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: but in fairness, this is just another facet of the monolithic usg-slavery-thoughtpattern. living in the states is good enoughy for me ; i don't really need a blog and it's not THE central, defining thing of my current existence ; on it goes.
mircea_popescu: there's little technological solutions to psychological problems.
ben_vulpes: from pasteshite design to "all you-sians are congenitally retarded" in less than 50 lines.
ben_vulpes: "i don't solve problems, i just make them"
mircea_popescu: in unrelated news, i go out buy a bag of dice. these idiots used blue and red for the paint on the faces. guess what numbers are red and what numbers are blue ?
ben_vulpes: right right, just gleefully abstaining from helping lol
mircea_popescu: not you know, fucking odds and evens. not you know, fucking 1,2,3 vs 4,5,6
ben_vulpes: well no it wouldn't be sensible things
ben_vulpes: aight but before we go haring off completely is there an argument to be made in favor of wotmembers signing authentication tokens over decrypting authentication tokens?
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to the dpaste : im not abstaining from helping or anything of the sort. there's been an idea, it's been trashing around in the b-a uterus trying to come to conception. it doesn't seem that it actually works tho, seems more like an irrealisable chimera of disparate, irreconcilable parts.
mircea_popescu: the correct solution also seems to have emerged, how's any of this my fault.
mircea_popescu: for the stated reason : for the same money i just use my blog to host the file
mircea_popescu: which is specifically what i said above : there will exist EXACTLY ONE place i authenticate at ; the name for that place is "my blog"
mircea_popescu: this is fundamental and fundamentally important. if you wish to be a person, you gotta maintain this level of control.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu proposes to manage dns without authentication? is this like the mythical bezzlebroker who only communicates in gpggrams with $maxint clients?
mircea_popescu: i propose to not manage dns at all, and not have dns, either.
ben_vulpes: if so i would like an introduction to this registrar, they sound like good people to know
mircea_popescu: you know, giving examples of broken shit is not necessarily an effectual way to argue in favour of said shit.
ben_vulpes: yes well clearly when we actually have gossipd auth i can wash my hands of auth too.
ben_vulpes: so riddle me this: why the everloving fuck *should* i make any tool usable for anyone outside of my wot?
mircea_popescu: still, you know, think about what this is. you're proposing to give people a modicum of webspace in some narrow constraints.
mircea_popescu: because why the fuck, 10 bucks a month is too much for these people to get a fucking blog up ?
mircea_popescu: bear in mind however that ... how are women that you've not fucked before going to find you ?
ben_vulpes: isn't the classic answer 'the other gurlz'?
ben_vulpes: SO WHY THE FUCK WRITE SHIT FOR PEOPLE NOT IN THE WOT
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes i do not think you should. !
ben_vulpes: well then what precisely were you proposing?
jurov: he proposed for everyone to have own webspace, no?
mircea_popescu: that you're trying to sell webspace on a below-shared server level and by the kilobyte like some sort of idiot. either get into the business by running an actual isp or else let people do the thing sanely on their own.
mircea_popescu: in short, i wisened up to the fact that this particular thing is of the "go big or go home" variety and insistence on peculiar versions of small are a waste of time.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: bullshit. it was, at the time, incredibly cheap and convenient.
ben_vulpes: not selling, really. more of a toy for phriendz
mircea_popescu: if you have friends who need a prepackaged version of a $10 item you apparently need better friends.
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ben_vulpes: "The results: about 9 percent more poor students matriculated." << how would you know it's attributable to your work?
jurov: ben_vulpes: i'd say you are going at it in wrong direction
ben_vulpes: "but it still led to a $1.59 million increase in fees in one quarter" << how do you knoooow
ben_vulpes: try me, jurov. what's a better direction?
jurov: maybe i'll act on it myself, so i won't say now. but it's quite obvious.
ben_vulpes: all i want is a prophylactic against crlfs.
jurov: oooooh. i wanted to see your megasuperdevstack in action, tho
ben_vulpes: megasuperdevstack only makes sense in context of insane complexity of ui development, jurov.
mircea_popescu: this is really not a bad motto for b-a ; the funny thing for me is how varied the reaction of people is as they encounter it in practice.
ben_vulpes: tmsr~ needs ui like it needs people who need ui.
ben_vulpes: (what else would it be the most serene republic of, though?)
mircea_popescu: ~ in this context is an interesting thing : a postprocessor directive meaning "take the string before the first comma and put it in here to reconstruct the correct title of this item". so that "Fanny Fucksticks, The Enchanted Travels Of ~" becomes "The Enchanted Travels Of Fanny Fucksticks".
mircea_popescu: the reason for this is that so many titles start with The in english that it debalanced the sorting tree (implemented in nature as shelves)
mircea_popescu: this ties into the discussion about nazis and their de-facto paper-processing computing
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 19:32:46; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the other gestapo did not suffer from delusions of machine learning!1111111111 to help them process somehow infinite tips into an edible portion
ben_vulpes: (it is the root of cognition, no?) "usually this makes the food happen"
mircea_popescu: kinda why i stuck it in there - bitcoin has deeper roots than commonly realised.
ben_vulpes: anyways jurov if i had an inkling that someone would do it besides myself i'd not have done it in the first place. if you want the thing on your plate, lmk, otherwise if you have an obvious solution you're not holding out for paste-opoly also let me know.
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jurov: heh, not like pastebin is some crucial piece
ben_vulpes: which is why i think it should be hammered out and left alone at the earliest possible moment.
mircea_popescu: thinking about it : the one thing i like about dpaste in preference of uploading files is that i don't have to provide a filename.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: or, more generally : that it's like clearisgn and not like detached signature.
ben_vulpes: (it's just a fucking latrine that needs digging)
mircea_popescu: the thing i fucking hate about dpaste is the dumbass "select data type" and that they think text is "plain text" and starts with a p.\
jurov: i'm not hellbound to having it. my idea was to accept anything, signed or not, make it available for a week, and put older pastes behind a paywall
jurov: i suspect ben_vulpes is not up for that kind of latrine anyway :D
mircea_popescu: how to cheaply and efficiently ensure the ire of people in the wot : charge them for their own shit.
jurov: it needs more attention than fire and forget
mircea_popescu: "We received conflicting advice from lots of smart people about which is more important. We focused on engagement, which we improved by orders of magnitude. No one cared."
mircea_popescu: check it out, "engagement" went up by 9% / 1.59 mn in one quarter.
mircea_popescu: how THE FUCK do you increase engagement and no one cares.
mircea_popescu: Title: How My Startup Failed Product: Condom Key Chains
mircea_popescu: "And this worked really well for foursquare thanks to the mayorship. If I tell someone I’m the mayor of a spot, I’m in an instant conversation: “What makes you the mayor?” “That’s lame, I’m there way more than you” “What do you get for being mayor?”. Compare that to talking about Gowalla: “I just swapped this sticker of a bike for a sticker of a six pack of beer! What? Yes, I am still a virgin”.
mircea_popescu: See the difference? Make some aspect of your product easy and fun to talk about, and make it unique."
mircea_popescu: that's exactly not it. the difference is that the former STOLE something. a little bit of something, and something that wasn't well bolted down by a legal process. 300 years ago you'd go to jail for pretending to be the mayor ; even today you can go to jail for pretending to be a cop.
mircea_popescu: that's mostly what these things peddle : a particular sort of theft.
assbot: Logged on 25-12-2015 20:31:04; mircea_popescu: you see me using "detached signatures" ?
mircea_popescu: but a gpg would-be replacement that doesn't have clearsign is not actually usable as a replacement
assbot: Logged on 25-12-2015 20:38:47; ben_vulpes: punkman, mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: destestable though they may be for injecting state into the stateless protocol, would a single "signin" page with an assbot-style decryption of OTP that results in a session key authenticating the user to the perlwad be an improvement, and are there better solutions i'm not considering? anonymous drive-by pasting is not a better solution imho.
assbot: Logged on 25-12-2015 20:41:26; mircea_popescu: how about this : only accept gpg-encrypted communications, and only distribute the pubkey to people you like.
assbot: Logged on 25-12-2015 21:08:22; mircea_popescu: in short, i wisened up to the fact that this particular thing is of the "go big or go home" variety and insistence on peculiar versions of small are a waste of time.
mircea_popescu: honestly, i started using it in b-a. it is, for me, a replacement of email.
assbot: Logged on 25-12-2015 21:29:42; mircea_popescu: thinking about it : the one thing i like about dpaste in preference of uploading files is that i don't have to provide a filename.
mircea_popescu: you understand, i hope you do but if you don't i'll explain it, that the only - THE ONLY - reason for literacy is so you can read contracts.
mircea_popescu: if it were the case that contracts came in '|tar bottles" reading plain english would be as useful as reading latin.
mircea_popescu: so your idea of a working gpg is "everyone must learn new alphabet now" ?
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mircea_popescu: why the everloving fuck is sed -n '/\/start\//,/end/p' dump out the whole pipe instead of just the stuff between /start/ and end ?
mircea_popescu: the #1 most frustrating thing known to man is when computers don't do what you expect them to do.
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mircea_popescu: what am i to be like one of those us military base commanders that can't run a quarter mile ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: would you accept use of a token in headers for use from cli?
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ben_vulpes: i am just looking for a sane balance between toilet for the mob and useful tool for the wot.
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ben_vulpes: trinque suggested not-trivially-enumerable endpoints for wotmembers, eg engage in a brief gpggram session one time, yields a wotpaste/my-difficult-to-enumerate-endpoint place for individuals to post textwads to
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mircea_popescu: cat fucksticks.txt | sort -u | while read line; do curl -A "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0" --cookie "session=185406475447611750%3a13562327112394530656;secure_check=1;authlink=8e9808c6;__cfduid=de2158114156a0b38260969e145b2ca9e1450046931" "
https://www.okcupid.com/profile/$line" | sed 's/profile_similar/\n\n/g' | sed 's/href/\n\n/g' | grep 'cf=' | grep "/profile/" | sed 's/="\
mircea_popescu: more importantly, anyone bored can kill themselves figuring out why the fuck i have to do two passes of sed interspersed with a grep to get the dumbass thing to work as intended.
mircea_popescu: a yea, iirc we even had a discussion about scripts doing ^H etc here, with a link and everything.
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mircea_popescu: note however that you can't rely on me reading the "clearsigned" thing with any particular mechanism.
mircea_popescu: so this entire "unix terminal is retarded" thing isn't as much of a concern
mircea_popescu: to put it sanely-er : i'm more than happy to redefine "ascii" for clearsign to include a subset of ascii
mircea_popescu: honestly, in my mind i realise now, gpg --clearisng has taken over a hole left by telex.
mircea_popescu: some telex machines were distinctive enough that after years one could really tell wtf the message says from across the room