jurov: did the same calculation about nimh, it actually comes out similar
jurov: while you need more sells, nimh should be less fickle
jurov: and they will self-discharge 4% per day, nothing for occassional usage :D
assbot: Logged on 20-01-2016 19:27:41; mod6: no heat in the suburban, made appt. to have it fixed. showed up this am like "ok do your thing..". They said, "oh, can you pick it up tomorrow? we're busy...". Like wtf. It's literally like a 15 minute job. How do I know? Because I just did it myself instead and if I exclude the drive time to pick up and buy the part itself, ~15 minutes.
mod6: pete_dushenski: thx, it's old '08
mod6: new ones are like seventyfive racks
mod6: yeah, a bit. the new ones look even less curvy than mine,... more of a boxy look
mod6: i guess im just happy that i have windows that roll up and heat. that old shitter that i got for free (basically) was pretty cold driving down the freeway at 65mph when it's -25 F.
mod6: and there were some sort of vermin living in there.
pete_dushenski: tbh i like yours the best. but i might just be partial to that gen because i sold a couple of 'em in my day even ;)
mod6: its a pretty nice vehicle. its like all the power of a full-size truck with some extra seating.
mod6: you never know when you might need to fit 7 hookers in the car.
pete_dushenski: "Many political speeches show the same structures and same characteristics regardless of the actual topic. Some phrases and arguments appear again and again and indicate a certain political affiliation or opinion. We want to use these remarkable patterns to train a system that generates new speeches"
pete_dushenski: obviously the 'researchers' were able to take us congressional floor debates, chop 'em up, and spit out something that sounds no worse. garbage in, garbage out. now try this with actual debates from actual history and see how far you get. my guess : not far.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43252 @ 0.00055742 = 24.1095 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: mod6: didja ever share an actual patch for the code you're working on? brief face-grep through logs reveals nada
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80450 @ 0.00055816 = 44.904 BTC [+]
mod6: thanks for asking. i just went through my high-S enforcement code by hand, and i know for sure that I have an error in there. about to fix it and try that out.
mod6: ok changes made. gonna recompile send some test txn, then if all *seems* well, will share my vpatch
mod6 is not a fan of the style used in here
mod6: guess its just a personal pref. *shrug*
mod6: i guess this is funny because back when I first started writing code, a hundred million internet years ago, i liked the first way better.
mod6: ;;later tell pete_dushenski Salud!
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mircea_popescu: turns out all the "richest country in the world" could muster was a coupla days' of 10% and a readily defeated pair of anonymous junkies.
mircea_popescu: reminds me of a story of rachel welch's bra and the most important man in the world.
BingoBoingo: Couldn't keep it up any longer than it too ACH to clear new fiat into exchanges
gribble: Time since last block: 18 minutes and 8 seconds
gribble: Time since last block: 1 minute and 59 seconds
gribble: Error: "tslf" is not a valid command.
mod6: i got another tx dropped on the floor. im also 2 blocks behind, so not sure if it cares.
mod6: this test tx was processed by the original code.
mod6: mircea_popescu: eh, ya. but worthwhile.
mircea_popescu: if nothing else, an instructive foray into the incredible fragility of the network.
mod6: here's the tx: bf990fa50a4ea2c13dbe8f65c42c5fcb7b3439109b0c2d0e22081960a9c5fe9a
mircea_popescu: i can't see it anywhere. it never propagated past your next hop odds are.
mod6: yeah, im sure it never made it out
mod6: just kinda documenting here a bit.
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☟︎ mod6: first tx with original code went through np.
mircea_popescu: in other news, bitcoin classic has even fewer nodes than bitcoin xt. who was that guy that was the me of something else again ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, what's the true truth of truthiness BingoBoingo, is hearn quitted or did he quit like stolfi ?
mod6: another dropped on the floor.
mod6: im gonna do 3 per option: orig/low/high
mod6: (a work in progress)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148119 @ 0.00055714 = 82.523 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He's prolly going to turn Stolfi, haven't tracked to see if he's done so already
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in other news, bitcoin classic has even fewer nodes than bitcoin xt. who was that guy that was the me of something else again ? << They haven't even released a client publically yet
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48950 @ 0.00055608 = 27.2201 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Prolly something about seeing how much has would actually commit to their dumpster fire
☟︎ mod6: first low-s tx made it through.
gribble: Time since last block: 16 minutes and 57 seconds
mod6: wtf is bitcoin classic?
mod6: WE have bitcoin "classic", not these pinwheels
mod6: if(SHITGNOMES) { char *classic = "manyRadicalDeltasFromPointOfOrigin"; }
gribble: Time since last block: 34 seconds
mod6: hey waddya know, i've got a block before btc.blockr.io
mod6: 2nd low-s tx went through
BingoBoingo: From the mines: "Our best hope to get miners to run bitcoin-classic or XT, is to beg super-hard for it."
☟︎ mod6: else { char *classic = "trb"; }
mod6: alrighty, 3rd low-S tx made it through
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94453 @ 0.00056344 = 53.2186 BTC [+] {3}
mod6: alright, now for the high-S txn
mod6: dear lord, i've had like 9 crackers with cheddar today and like 3 mtdews.
☟︎ mod6: first high-S tx went through o_O
mod6: im pretty sure that one was mallated.
☟︎ mod6: my S value spit out into the debug.log isn't contained in the hex data in the tx: DEBUG DER S: 0xBE8E2E74EBE2618A27D50E0A1D02B33BCE8188940AA22967E9E01AD4D140AB0F
mod6: DEBUG DER R: 0xB16F69B135317A54C96C0EA8882C295DB05B7BD4598FDE42865983A1AEBB3E63
BingoBoingo: Yeah, the active malleation of transactions that happen to be High-S is a pain.
mod6: yeah, but i guess thats to be expected since these three are supposed to all be high-s.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139796 @ 0.00056486 = 78.9652 BTC [+]
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mod6: this is interesting... that tx '893d003f806a5bce121a71e84c260e7879cb6c5464ef93132c0b79e60ff7ff66' hasn't been confirmed yet
mod6: oooo crap forgot to set the fee to 0.001 after restarting.
mod6: maybe it'll get picked up eventually.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62428 @ 0.00056962 = 35.5602 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: ok second high-s tx went through
mod6: this one looks malleated too
mod6: DEBUG DER R: 0x11E986930067BA31716E2D880F6660ABFC3C7C6927C94E0AF6CB4C0CD6315D5B << is found in hex
mod6: DEBUG DER S: 0xC541A295514D6BF4BEF30599DC7F8A18BEC9B6B3F615D94F847AD154D4DCBB45 << is not
BingoBoingo: ^ Whole post is ReadMoar'd on front page because footnote
BingoBoingo: But do read post for news on Bitcoin's new All Time High versus Oil
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77204 @ 0.00056883 = 43.916 BTC [-]
mod6: third high-s tx was malleated also, went through, was confirmed as were previous two
punkman: "The Uber driver was too good of a person and decided to take a cash settlement instead of pressing charges. In his words, "...she was crying (and) said (she) was sorry for everything." I don't want to disclose the amount the driver was paid, but can say he could only use the money to pay his cellphone bill and maybeee his cable bill."
punkman: not sure who's more despicable now
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 02:20:53; assbot: Pay no attention to sky high P/E ratios, outlandish global debt, or market selling restrictions. Continue to transfer your hard earned money to fund managers, like a good citizen. : investing ... (
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39550 @ 0.00055845 = 22.0867 BTC [-]
assbot: Campaigners slam 'extremely worrying' comments blaming young woman for being punched - Mirror Online ... (
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gribble: Bitfinex | The weighted average price of BTC, 10000.0 coins up and down from the spread, is 414.85558 USD. | Data vintage: 0.0051 seconds
BingoBoingo: But basically this Hearnia is painting Janssens and some Obeast named "Marshall Long" as the reasons for the adverserial nature of ClassicCoin. Framing of course because it's what good instruments do so he can try to relevant himself again in six months
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Seriously though the Marshall long fellow looks like Gavin ate Gavin
BingoBoingo: "Jonathan Toomim:2016-01-20 07:30:02:oh darn, i already sold my bitcoin to pay for electricity a few days ago..."
BingoBoingo: Turd's too long to read really. Just try searching it for names and terms that should be in actual discussions about bitcoin and be astounded when they don't show up.
punkman: BingoBoingo: *Karpeles ate Gavin
BingoBoingo: Google images suggests a BMI between 55 and 75
copypaste: surprised anyone at that weight is still alive
BingoBoingo: copypaste: Apparently you don't Walmart enough
copypaste: i have a high BMI, but only because my spine collapsed due to my condition which takes many inches off my height. but even then BMI is only 31.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: You're skeleton's state if it wasn't a fragile mess is a mystery.
BingoBoingo: It's one thing to have a condition. It's another thing to have condishuns.
BingoBoingo: It's not like your bones are failing because you decided to test the limits of normal anatomy by butter huffing your way to 500+ pounds
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 486 @ 0.00263159 = 1.279 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: There really ought to be a moral test to get a scooty puff.
BingoBoingo: A person who lacks the self preservation drive to eat themselves to the mass of two NFL linebackers should have to risk blowing out their knee traversing the walmart.
punkman: BingoBoingo: anything interesting in the jtoomim logz?
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59922 @ 0.00055868 = 33.4772 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18930 @ 0.00055927 = 10.587 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87896 @ 0.00056139 = 49.3439 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 02:49:55; BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in other news, bitcoin classic has even fewer nodes than bitcoin xt. who was that guy that was the me of something else again ? << They haven't even released a client publically yet
assbot: Logged on 12-01-2016 16:57:11; psztorc: So, "bitcoin classic", with a 2 MB blocksize limit, is likely to have >60% hashrate at this time tomorrow.
assbot: You rated user psztorc on 23-Sep-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Has no idea what post-structuralism is. Just like everyone else..
mircea_popescu: dude has no fucking idea a) what likely means ; b) what a gentleman's duty is, the next day after emitting in the forum an enormity like that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63250 @ 0.00056975 = 36.0367 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Logged on 20-01-2016 18:31:11; ascii_butugychag: but if you have a unique itch somewhere deep in a body cavity, and wait for somebody to come and scratch it ~for you~ - you may wait for a while.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39800 @ 0.0005699 = 22.682 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 02:55:53; BingoBoingo: Prolly something about seeing how much has would actually commit to their dumpster fire
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 03:41:08; BingoBoingo: From the mines: "Our best hope to get miners to run bitcoin-classic or XT, is to beg super-hard for it."
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 03:56:07; mod6: dear lord, i've had like 9 crackers with cheddar today and like 3 mtdews.
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 04:26:43; mod6: im pretty sure that one was mallated.
jurov: mircea_popescu: afaik DER is just encoding and it's different problem than S value used in signature itself
mircea_popescu: dude and he explained it to me once already. i'm like fixated.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i take it back. it'll have to do, can't be introducing case now.
mircea_popescu: mod6 why take out - vchSig.clear(); if you re-introduce it later in both branches ? ends up adding a line.
mircea_popescu: ff7009f672bf400a42d1d7afb6e58aaf1c29d9c219fad51c5f17000243a485e92bbb250d3f4bbec3f0717d00fad620c294d537832671f20c0979fb3f1383779b init.cpp
mircea_popescu: unsigned char pchSig[10000];// Can anyone explain why 10`000 ? Enough with the magic numbers already. << for the fucking record.
copypaste: i'll take a guess, seems like it's a signature, and 10k bytes is the expected length
copypaste: perhaps it's some intermediary for a signature, and the final return will be chopped to say something sane like 64, 128
mircea_popescu: security through "bill gates should be enough to anally satisfy everyone"
copypaste: i've even seen "security patches" where the patch was to make the stack bigger, even though the stack was the right size to begin with
mircea_popescu: fuck that, im making a proper file. the diff looks like the end of the fucking world, but hey.
mircea_popescu: <copypaste> i've even seen "security patches" where the patch was to make the stack bigger, even though the stack was the right size to begin with << mitigation amirite.
mircea_popescu: look, i can't use fucking space allignment. for one thing on some systems i need it 2space and on others 4.
mircea_popescu: not to even go into all the semantic degradation when you go from 2 separators to just 1.
mircea_popescu: well, honestly, this wasn't intended as a release candidate, more like a commentary item
mircea_popescu: for your convenience ima make one with spaces unmunged, 1 sec.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea how i'd in any sense seriously do anything with bs
mircea_popescu: yes, conserve. on the other hand, the unknown unknowns : how many people currently simply CAN NOT help because of this ?
mircea_popescu: bullshit like you know, avboiding the word cunt because it might make it impossible for some developers to contribute isn't worth the time of day
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tu quoque ffs! just five minutes ago, you got to see what it does.
mircea_popescu: in honesty, without any exaggeration, i would estimate the barrier to contribution that whitespace-for-tab puts in front of me is actually larger than the barrier blindness put in front of chetty.
mircea_popescu: srsly, mixed tab/space indentation in a file is worse than either.
mircea_popescu: it's bad enough in a project. in a same file it's insufferable.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: technically mod6's variant, i only removed some spurious tails. but i think you're right.
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 12:53:23; mircea_popescu: blergh, i don't have the source.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a problem - i should have the source.
mircea_popescu: in retrospect, i deeply regret not having had the sense of s/ /\t/g back when i made the original genesis commit. but... who knew the future then, and sopmehow being true to source, providing untouched water seemed more important. heck, maybe it was, and the only reason i get to regret doing it is having done it, which keeps me from the more bitter regret of having done it.
mircea_popescu: at any rate : maybe it's not too late to fix. what do the lords think about this plan :
mircea_popescu: that once the current version being worked upon is released, we all do a whole-source scouring of spaces, and sign the independently generated results, which will be an immediate, other patch.
☟︎☟︎ assbot: You rated user mod6 on 27-Nov-2014, with a rating of 4, and supplied these additional notes: The cave, age, tace school of thought. Nice work with the Bitcoin Foundation..
mircea_popescu: !rate mod6 5 His curative TRB leadership is a shining beacon for the entire Republic.
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thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: the tab/space thing has infected the source code?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform heathen text seems a summary of the entire "scaling" bitcoin bs.
mod6: Sorry about the spaces in there where I put in my changes, I can and will fix that for my changes. And yeah, I think post-release it may not be a bad idea to do a one-time-cleanup of all of that.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> if (fHighS && (BN_cmp(sig->s, halforder) < 0)) <+asciilifeform> generally i like to avoid hastening ulcers if possible << yeah, i dont know why I didn't do this to begin with. Heheh.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform
http://dpaste.com/26VKRQG << re: There is no reason to test for both highS and lowS being set, because this is tested in init.cpp already, ... << For some reason I had it in my head that since this gets set in util.h/.cpp that both may become set at some point post execution if someone does something funny.
mircea_popescu: mod6 you didn't do it because it wasn't in your code, it only appeared once i snipped a bunch
mod6: oh hmm. i think i put in some spaces in there.
mircea_popescu: but ... a specified, machine-verifiable, multi-signed split ? not acceptable ?
mod6: also, about
http://dpaste.com/26VKRQG : I left the original code in Sign(...) in the } else { case because i thought it be necessary to have a default. if we don't have one, it forces the user to pick -highs -lows every single time they execute.
mircea_popescu: mod6 this is a point, but really that heathen 10k declaration should go away.
mod6: oh i totally agree. its just an old wart.
mircea_popescu: maybe i'm misreading this, but atm if neither high nor low is picked the code does spit out a sig neh ?
mod6: oh yeah, derp. so in yours it will just skip the compare and if true, subtract sections.
mod6: so that should be fine.
mod6: does anyone have any pref on the commented out DEBUG statements for the finalized one? just remove them?
☟︎ mod6: yah, i better remove those.
mod6: thanks for all of your comments this morning. I appreciate everyone taking a look at this one.
mircea_popescu: if nothing else gives a good idea of what the author was thinking.
mircea_popescu: actually, forcing a point, commented out line tests is really the first step towards knuth literate coding.
mircea_popescu: which, incidentally, is not to be taken lightly. it occurs to me, looking at all this, that it has a very fundamental function in maintaining codebases of the KIND that bitcoin is.
punkman: there's literate and there's littering
mircea_popescu: specifically, imagine a future in which every line of code has 100 lines of commentary, much like the talmud (which is a VERY proper comparison)
☟︎ mircea_popescu: now, battles as to change are softened : people discuss reformulations OF THE COMMENTARY.
mircea_popescu: as that changes, changes in code slowly become ever slightly more possible
mircea_popescu: this is a splendid mechanism to provide true consensus.
thestringpuller: LOL >> "Don't forget Mr Popescu, who loves to harp on about how Bitcoin is not for the unwashed masses, just two weeks ago had a hugely embarrassing fiasco where he revealed he hadn't the faintest idea how Bitcoin transactions work.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: punkman true. hence the 100 lines are the result of numerous different pressures.
thestringpuller: Like most newbies he thought you spent from addresses rather than prior receipts."
mod6: <+asciilifeform> i often wonder, do these folks also have two-metre-wide toilet in the house, so as to not miss ? << i lel'd
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller we can;'t all be geniuses, can we now.
mircea_popescu: of course the talmud gets away with an earth shattering bonus : "other rules notwithstanding, the law in any place is what the law always was there". they can afford, somehow, to keep geographically bound chains that are disjunct. we can't. but hey, chosen people, gets advantages.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> specifically, imagine a future in which every line of code has 100 lines of commentary, much like the talmud (which is a VERY proper comparison) << I never thought of it this way.
mircea_popescu: that there should be more comment than code in something like bitcoin source seems an unassailable point, to me.
punkman: less cryptic variable naming would also be great
mod6: i would agree there, but on the basis that the comments are accurate in a technical sense. nothing worse than misleading comments or documentation, as we've recently discussed.
punkman: problem is, who wants 100 patches with comments only
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> not a great fan of vchSig and bs myself, eother. << yeah, im not sure why the var name needs to delcare that it is a vector of chars.
mircea_popescu: the problem of tab-spaces is indicative of many similar blessings to come.
mircea_popescu: once half the variables are in one style and half in three or four other styles etc.
mircea_popescu: kinda why i insist we must do the "by file touched" rather than "by lines touched" thing.
mod6: re: your comment about tabs of width 2 or 4; going forward, I'll use width 4.
mircea_popescu: how are ~you~ going to do anything about it ? i set my machine to show them any way i want.
mod6: right right. but I think i put in some spaces in my code there for alignment. just saying, i'll stick to using four.
mod6: your patch really is easier to read since leaving in the vchSig.clear() etc at the top instead of moving it to the bottom like mine had.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> well, honestly, this wasn't intended as a release candidate, more like a commentary item << ok good deal. was kinda wondering if the forthcoming release patch should bundle this one in or not.
mircea_popescu: well, i do think to some degree your patch should be restated, but not in the sense of replacing it altogether
mod6: Was thinking of putting in alf's latest two also -- but I think we need some confirmation on at least the version string one. shinohai was having some snags with it.
mircea_popescu is loath to do too much of that sort, because as correctly pointed out, mircea_popescu is a noob in the low level technical sense. without an array of experts to advise and correct, i'll just fuck everything up.
mod6: asciilifeform: not sure if you found some of questions/comments in the log from yesterday re this ^^
mircea_popescu: i also don't fix any of the combustion engines that i own by myself - even if once i took apart and put back together a trabant.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> well, i do think to some degree your patch should be restated, but not in the sense of replacing it altogether << yeah, ok. i'll do some work here today / tonight, do a re-test and the hopefully get it to the ML before the week is out.
mod6: we can discuss this again as we get further along.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: what was this about 'snags' with the version patch ? << i'll dig it up, just a sec.
thestringpuller: Ah this takes the cake: "I had to reload Reddit like 4 times before it started working. If reddit wants me as a customer, they should increase their blocksize"
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 15:31:59; mircea_popescu: i suspect this is also msvc widgetry.
assbot: Logged on 20-01-2016 23:46:05; shinohai: Also mod6 re: version strings, placing flags first had zero effect so I probably did something wrong. :/
mircea_popescu: i don't think the difference was ever stressed enough or for that matter all that well understood. what "big studios" do for software, ie, throwaway crap that's not expected to a) work for everyone or b) work for more than a few years is VERY STRICTLY opposite to what bitcoin does.
mircea_popescu: just like "AAA titles" and eulora have jack in common, but that's a side point.
mircea_popescu: anyway, in ro names are sexed - mircea is the only male name that ends in a.
shinohai: ah now I understand asciilifeform thx
mircea_popescu: actually the convention is you can take any male name add a and name a girl thus.
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 15:23:26; mircea_popescu: specifically, imagine a future in which every line of code has 100 lines of commentary, much like the talmud (which is a VERY proper comparison)
assbot: Logged on 18-01-2016 19:16:29; ascii_butugychag: i assume that everybody here has at least seen a page of talmud ?
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6, shinohai: the version string patch works. BUT you will always see the default version in the boot log!! << personally I haven't even tried this yet. but I think he was saying that he checked the getinfo and that hadn't updated either.
mod6: i'll see if i can get to it today, and give it a try myself.
mod6: i am about to eat a decent breakfast in like 1.5 hours.
mircea_popescu: do not take after me. for even as we speak, the girls are up and chirping in the kitchen making me stuff.
mod6: ok, i'm gonna go have an orange.
shinohai: mod6 Load up those 7 hookers you spoke of last night and come over. I got lox and eggs.
mircea_popescu: visiting mother at some point "omaigerd you cook so good!!1"
thestringpuller: nothing beats good training! (except maybe a good beating)
mircea_popescu: cooking is actually an artform, indisputably, and readily the easiest to be good at and happy with yourself for.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57168 @ 0.00056956 = 32.5606 BTC [-]
mod6: it says that during this 'Stakhanovite movement' in the su, this guy Nikita Izotov mined 607 TONS of coal in a single shift. That's ~1M folks.
mircea_popescu: ie, "this cpu normally does 4ghz, i run it at 8. it's doing so much more for me than... oops, it popped. need a new cpu"
mircea_popescu: ./uint256.h: static char phexdigit[256] = { 0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0,0xa,0xb,0xc,0xd,0xe,0xf,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0,0xa,0xb,0xc,0xd,0xe,0xf,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 };
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 16:25:12; mircea_popescu: it's a by-word for capital-destroying "concerted efforts".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform prior to the article i'm writing now, i had naively believed the thing is some standard library imported from whenever
mircea_popescu: incidentally, did we have a lxr up of the codebase or something ?
mircea_popescu: before i couldn't do merchant of venice because broken tools. now can't because instead going through 10k lines dump to find the junk.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you ever been in college and ended up picking up chicks you were only half interested in because it sure as fuck beat doing the work you had to do that day ?
mircea_popescu: ThreadOpenConnections2(parg); << im not even including inept shit like this. clearly someone deeply understood threading.
mircea_popescu: int64 nRandomizer = (uint64)(nStart * 4951 + addr.nLastTry * 9567851 + addr.ip * 7789) % (2 * 60 * 60);
mircea_popescu: ./main.h: void SetNull() { nFile = -1; nBlockPos = 0; nTxPos = 0; } << lulz of all time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform definitely not multithreaded. which, given the strength of everything else, is a very good thing.
mircea_popescu: no idea why anyone thinks "bitcoin will take over the world". they can't possibly be talking of the prb codebase.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno how classical. perhaps in the gavin aka retarded sense of classical,
mircea_popescu: then there's the case (as is here) of folk who can't get out of the fencing error so fix the code on the 2nd pass.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, "./wallet.cpp: exit(1); //We now probably have half of our keys encrypted in memory, and half not...die and let the user reload their unencrypted wallet."
thestringpuller: so if we provide asciilifeform 's meals then he is freed from imprisonment?
mircea_popescu: sooner or later free man version of alf will pop into existence.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: from the ashes of the very alf in question or not, remains to be seen
thestringpuller: pheonix asciilifeform will be a very interesting person indeed
mircea_popescu: the man who had a working plane and no boat made himself a leaky boat that couldn't fly. then the japanese bombed him.
thestringpuller: you could always go the gavin route and beg MIT for money.
thestringpuller: does that involve taking it up the butt regularly for money?
thestringpuller: my job usually devolves into copy-pasting from one terminal to another for hours at a time.
mircea_popescu: ./base58.h: // Expected size increase from base58 conversion is approximately 137%
mircea_popescu: for instance, 10OIl0OIl0OIl0OIl== in base64 comes to 138% more crud in "base58"
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: Legend has it that Potter was promptly fired, never to be heard from again. << HOLY FUCKTITS. This is my life!
thestringpuller: this reminds me of the heinlein quote: "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for i
thestringpuller: it sounds like you don't believe a polymath can truly exist
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 17:36:35; mircea_popescu: sooner or later free man version of alf will pop into existence.
thestringpuller: Hmmm. Seems this could be issue with jgarzik. Some like, 10 years of focus at redhat. Is "freed" from his slave labor, does nothing with his freedom.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> whenever i hear about mircea_popescu's 'free men', i think of... chessboxing. << pfff. nonsense.
thestringpuller: obviously because 80 year old just wants to fuck bitches and chill.
mircea_popescu: that you're making up stories. for a captive audience that's easy to please.
mircea_popescu: back at insanity ranch, ./net.h: vSend << a1 << a2 << a3;
mircea_popescu: why not call all variables v1 through v9000 is anyone's guyess.
mircea_popescu: not so. just like fucking isn't a fundamentally insane act.
mircea_popescu: your arguments exactly mirror a broken version of reality pushed forth by overgrown girls that are yet affraid to be women.
mircea_popescu: still a dead end. exactly equivalent with soviet woman's conclusion that getting married is an exercise in insanity.
mircea_popescu: and the idea is inept. yes i know a lot of "respectable folk". i also know a lot of common whores. and everything in between.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> and even mircea_popescu apparently does, on occasion. << actually that dpaste earlier was the first time in at least 10 years.
mircea_popescu: it's however NOT safe at all for blacksmith to entertain himself by telling stories about what peter does and why.
mircea_popescu: i suppose programmers also don't get to know about respectable hatmans ?
mircea_popescu: FILE* file = fopen(strprintf("%s/blk%04d.dat", GetDataDir().c_str(), nFile).c_str(), pszMode);
mircea_popescu: ./main.cpp- for (;;) << i don't get it, if it's going to do plain for(;;) why the fuck does it want the fancy boost_foreach ?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it\'s the stuff bee larva get fed to become sluts rather than housewives.
Terry4: Did you see the strategy about subsiding bitcoin miners to stay on the original BTC, (as a last case scenario to defeat any alt-chain)?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i would much like a complete list of boost structures, with analysis.
mircea_popescu: but we're not there yet. so far, prepping a list of magic numbers.
mircea_popescu: five or so steps below. but gotta start where the seafloor is, nothing else.
mircea_popescu: my display is slowlyt decaying from displaying this fucking buffer
mircea_popescu: i think ima end up with fucking dead pixels that satoshi burned.
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> but we're not there yet. so far, prepping a list of magic numbers. <<
mircea_popescu: ./bitcoinrpc.h:// Copyright (c) 2011 The Bitcoin developers
mircea_popescu: ^inept fuckiing shit. who the fuck thinks this is how it works ?
mircea_popescu: Copyright 2010 Disney corp ; Copyright 2013 internet-derps. whynot!
mircea_popescu: ./db.cpp: // Tray icon sometimes disappears on 9.10 karmic koala 64-bit, leaving no way to access the program
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell beautyon what do you like about the vc wordpress anyway ?
mircea_popescu: BN_rshift segfaults on 64-bit if 2^shift is greater than the number if built on ubuntu 9.04 or 9.10, probably depends on version of openssl
mircea_popescu: hey, is this a documented openssl hole ? seems it could be useful.
mircea_popescu: ./crypter.cpp- // Note as well that at no point in this program is any attempt made to prevent stealing of keys by reading the memory of the running process. << this is oddly the right choice.
mod6: had a nice big breakfast for lunch.
mod6: and a pretty lengthy walk. so nb.
thestringpuller: "guise guise guise. can't we just all get along. plz? we shouldn't be having civil wars guise."
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 10:26:39; punkman: BingoBoingo: anything interesting in the jtoomim logz?
mircea_popescu: "<amount> is a real and is rounded to the nearest 0.00000001\n"
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assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 17:47:49; asciilifeform: yes, there are folks who are serious chessboxers. but for some reason i've never heard of such a fella winning a world chess OR boxing title.
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 17:47:17; asciilifeform: whenever i hear about mircea_popescu's 'free men', i think of... chessboxing.
mircea_popescu has found himself, iwthout interruption, in this position for as long as he can remember, which'd be a good three decades by now.
mircea_popescu: it has exactly 0 to do with money, because schoolchildren have no money. it's a thing.
mircea_popescu: this is, contrary to what everyone'd like to think, strictly unrelated to the parents.
mircea_popescu: so... you want to know why i'm trampling all over this grep dump rioght now ? it... it fucking winked!
mircea_popescu: you know a) the intention was to contrast it with GAY science
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: I know it's l0l cuz I spend my life making robots to do my slave labor for me. I feel bad for the robots tho. I dunno man. Working in web dev, the developers are insane. It's like everyone wants to use some new unproven technology Y before fixing technology X first that it's built upon.
thestringpuller: Perhaps this is from consumer has come to expect mentality of everything being "flashy and pretty" but it makes me cringe cause you never have truly correct way of doing things. Just correct way of doing broken thing.
thestringpuller: So how is derp supposed to even begin to learn correctness, if he can't understand what a correct foundation is.
thestringpuller: I guess answer to my own question, "WoT provides practical solution". If derp wants to learn, learn from trusted teacher in WoT.
thestringpuller: Not with the bastardization of education being dumbed down for the so-called masses.
thestringpuller: In fact when I was thinking of going into education one of the courses I took harped on the fact that the best mode of teaching is pairing a real expert with student apprenticeship style.
mircea_popescu: ./serialize.h:// There's a clever template way to make arrays serialize normally, but MSVC6 doesn't support it
mircea_popescu: msvc shouldn't even be fucking supported in the first place.
thestringpuller: and I thought Linux was ideal, but it turns out even that is bastardized.
mircea_popescu: i'm not reading now either, just had some summaries made by a rule
assbot: The sad state of Bitcoin code on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: but yeah, re conference matchbox vs правильно matchbox, it is apparent that the matchsticks are more interesting than the box alone.
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 09:34:54; BingoBoingo: But basically this Hearnia is painting Janssens and some Obeast named "Marshall Long" as the reasons for the adverserial nature of ClassicCoin. Framing of course because it's what good instruments do so he can try to relevant himself again in six months
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 10:04:15; copypaste: i have a high BMI, but only because my spine collapsed due to my condition which takes many inches off my height. but even then BMI is only 31.
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mircea_popescu: i don't think most paradigms... to call personal ideologies thusly, do not allow for emergence specifically
mircea_popescu: 5) Function Macros And Recursion <<< "What ended up being the bug in my preprocessor for this test case was in evaluating the argument prescanned tokens that were passed to a function macro invocation. If the function macro being invoked contained a token with the same identifier as the function macro being invoked, but didn't actually call that function macro, it would incorrectly disable this token. This bug combine
mircea_popescu: d with another bug where tokens were copied by reference would mean that disabling one token could disable it in other places, so the outer valid macro invocation's token would be disabled and never able to expand again. The bug was around step (34)."
mircea_popescu: incidentally, and perhaps relatedly, for a long time the concept of toilet consisted of a ditch api, upon which you could implement your arbitrary toilet at any point through placing a wooden beam\
mircea_popescu: the idea that toilet belongs by the pool is about as alien to the roman as the idea that toilet belongs by kitchen sink is to you.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> sealed pipes from arse into the sea are a very modern (and shaky) abstraction. << Not sealed the whole way, settling ponds etc
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But there are definitely open shit pipes headed to the sea. Mississippi river is prime example.
BingoBoingo: "Chun has made a concrete hard fork proposal since – though the details of this proposal are not yet clear."
trinque: straight into the shitpipe with that
shinohai: Hey BingoBoingo I emailed them twice, no one ever responded.
shinohai: I figured they weren't gonna say much until an "official announcement" despite Garzik trying to fly over and garner Classic support.
shinohai: "I admire Dr. Pieter Wuille’s brilliant hack to deploy it as a soft fork. But despite being brilliant, the soft fork Segregated Witness is still a hack. A hack is dirty. Such a technology would be better implemented as hard fork.”
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: remember when Garzik was all "Lets build a decentralized exchange for ASICMINER"
assbot: thouliha comments on Without official statement from miners and others, one should treat all reports of Classic losing support as subterfuge. ... (
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BingoBoingo: They can't even beg for bits-coin anymore so they gotta beg for a bits-coin they might eventually have
BingoBoingo: Shit's popping up everywhere now. USG phillipino delivery for ClassicCoin must have finally arrived a week late
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125300 @ 0.00055869 = 70.0039 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 12:53:33; mircea_popescu: what init.cpp are you working on as an a mod6 ?
mod6: diff -uNr a/bitcoin/src/init.cpp b/bitcoin/src/init.cpp
mod6: --- a/bitcoin/src/init.cpp ff7009f672bf400a42d1d7afb6e58aaf1c29d9c219fad51c5f17000243a485e92bbb250d3f4bbec3f0717d00fad620c294d537832671f20c0979fb3f1383779b
mod6: +++ b/bitcoin/src/init.cpp 29fbb8792c3462ced61b4a0284360122f72c4fef7fb5fb84e5399967ab6474cd83ccf3a60eb3c425e183b1b95fb9ca71fc23bb791316d762034559df293f8bb0
mod6: diff -uNr a/bitcoin/src/init.cpp b/bitcoin/src/init.cpp
mod6: --- a/bitcoin/src/init.cpp 29fbb8792c3462ced61b4a0284360122f72c4fef7fb5fb84e5399967ab6474cd83ccf3a60eb3c425e183b1b95fb9ca71fc23bb791316d762034559df293f8bb0
mod6: +++ b/bitcoin/src/init.cpp cbfb2d8c9a5b1d1c16a66291bcb1f9c7e185b02c7a07f023e1256ce52531f4fc6145fdcdb334e96caa5d31e8ce7aa6fa7aa24e59abd3e8899b17afa2054bc7cd
mod6: so that should have been ok.
mod6: not sure what happened there. maybe your local branch doesn't have alf's latest 2?
mod6: anyway, jsut checking because I got asked about this separately.
mircea_popescu: mod6 ah makes sense, i was working off the prev release, which is actually incorrect.
mod6: <+punkman> that's not what it gives << eh?
punkman: "99% crapolade by weight" does not give hope. The work of the foundation is of course commendable and there is hope there.
punkman: thestringpuller: I guess answer to my own question, "WoT provides practical solution". If derp wants to learn, learn from trusted teacher in WoT. << /me is waiting for Ada master in need of apprentice
mod6: thought you were talkin about those vpatches
mircea_popescu: well... it's what, 650kb, so then the idea is that it should be condensable in 10kb or so ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: epic, ascii will get his book in standard newspaper format.
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mircea_popescu: "Yves here. Get a cup of coffee. This is a deep dive into how Bitcoin works from a payment systems perspective, and why the failure of promoters and journalists to look at it in those terms has led them to greatly overestimate its significance." << "come hear my very novel take on why bitcoin is not disruptive because it doesn't do the buzzword i think i understand and for this reason matters more than everything else!"
mircea_popescu: da fuck is "nakedcapitalism" anyway. the pompousness of these two-guys-and-their-hopes, 200 bucks in the bank ventures is nothing short of exactly what you'd expect.
mircea_popescu: “Bitcoin the currency is going nowhere. There is nothing behind it, and if it was big the governments would stop it,” said Dimon. <<< :))
mircea_popescu: check it out alfie, your clone with less technical skills is running the usg's largest bank-department.
☟︎ danielpbarron: so am I the only one that hates 'tab' and prefers spaces when coding?
gribble: Time since last block: 21 minutes and 4 seconds
danielpbarron: because then the code will always look the same no matter who views it
mircea_popescu: how the code LOOKS and what the code SAYS are drastically different matters. the code should say the same to everyone, but looks are unimportant. this is the same age old fundamental distinction between alphabet and literacy and symbolism and "creativity".
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62900 @ 0.00055843 = 35.1252 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: the problem is that when you go from |\techo\s"hello\sworld!";| to |\s\s\s\secho\s"hello\sworld!";| you really went from
mircea_popescu: |(line_indenter)echo(token_separator)"hello(token_separator)world!";| to |(token_separator)(token_separator)(token_separator)(token_separator)echo(token_separator)"hello(token_separator)world!";|
mircea_popescu: this is a significant loss to everyone doing things that depend on the difference between one item and the other.
danielpbarron: I also prefer the '{' on a newline vs on same line as function name. But I haven't done nearly as much coding as those of you who hate these conventions so what do I know
mircea_popescu: the reason the newline { is hated is because it eats a line. people generally want to cram stuff in their screens.
danielpbarron: back when i wrote my own html generator I had it spit everything out as one line
mircea_popescu: note that there's a great tendency to condense lines by "meaning". which is what alf's proposal to stick a && in that double if clause comes to.
adlai: you want to optimize screenful-legibility... this is a convex space, but far from linear
mircea_popescu: "i want every one thing to be in a single place" is a deep driver of meta-programming.
danielpbarron: seems to me it's easier to read when you can see the '{' and '}' line up
adlai: s/-/X/ ie, product
adlai: mircea_popescu: is MPEx still looking for btc/fiat options market makers?
adlai: if so, where's the price signal?
mircea_popescu: if someone that's respectable, competent and so on wants to do it i might entertain it.
adlai: ok. is there another conf anytime soon?
☟︎ adlai: ok. i know somebody respectable, competent, and so on, and he isn't willing to give money to people he hasn't met in person.
adlai: you're not in his.
adlai: or he finds somebody who's done it, because ain't nobody got time for this. s/nobody/$0 that Matters/
mircea_popescu: aaaand to make the matter quite plain, i've had it just about up to here witgh idiot jews who think they're exceptional. they aren't, the accomodation is 0, they;d better be fucking humble as if they're begging to avoid gang ass rape.
adlai enjoyed it, thank you for your time.
mircea_popescu: i will, for the record, NEVER entertain anyone you propose for anything.
adlai wonders whether he should re-rate mircea_popescu with the thing about "text, signed or otherwise"
mircea_popescu: fancy what we're discussing in 2016, "oh hey, 2012 never happened, let's pretend that we matter and there's no deathstar in orbit". derp.
adlai doesn't recall saying that he himself, that is, adlai_chandrasekhar, wants to meet mircea_popescu or market make options
adlai: people do sometimes meet people outside of the internet!
mircea_popescu: there's exactly zero leeway. noobs are noobs, and start at the noob place. whatever they may think of themselves. and the more they delay, the less they'll get for it. again irrespective of what they may think it's worth.
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 21:34:22; mod6: has the following:
mircea_popescu: there's a very ample history of idiots thinking they may bypass this, starting with bitcoinica. i welcome more victims, gladly.
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 21:43:57; mircea_popescu: well... it's what, 650kb, so then the idea is that it should be condensable in 10kb or so ?
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: does your vtron implement 'origin' ? << no
mod6: eh. kinda sorta, i gotta re-read that part when i get a chance. but i think that you think it's useful :]
mod6: i can see about adding it.
mircea_popescu: i think we might be a few iterations away from it yet tho
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 21:56:07; mircea_popescu: check it out alfie, your clone with less technical skills is running the usg's largest bank-department.
mircea_popescu: he's equally convinced that "if it exists, is cuz god willed it, and should it go away, it will be through god's will"
mircea_popescu: yeh but i don't think that group of nuts would like you, or you them. meanwhile the usgod crowd... prolly. maybe. who knows.
mircea_popescu: well, it is pretty obnoxiously identical to my view, yeah.
shinohai: !rate Cristina -1 Una gran pérdida de tiempo. Disfrute su bolsillas de mierdas.
mircea_popescu: you're not angry at the chick for not putting out are you ?
mod6: "Enjoy your shit bags." is how google just translated it. HAHA
shinohai: She is trying to sell some huge bag of some shitcoin, after I told her politely 3 times I'm not interested in being liberated of my paltry BTC earning funding scams.
shinohai: !v assbot:shinohai.rate.Cristina.-1:40c3c4340ad9d24dce23bbbdda229940e2fc9afe2e5b305e71cee5823a45b431
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for Cristina from 1 to -1 with note: Una gran pérdida de tiempo. Disfrute su bolsillas de mierdas.
adlai sees nothing wrong with selling properly-labelled shitbags
adlai: "caution: may contain peanuts, gluten, and glucose" is much better than "100% asbestos-phree!!!!'
adlai: shinohai: care to say which and how much? this is financial data relevant to shitcoin-asseteers
shinohai: I'll have her send you an email.
adlai gets enough altcoin spam by merely logging into reddit
BingoBoingo: <shinohai> She is trying to sell some huge bag of some shitcoin, after I told her politely 3 times I'm not interested in being liberated of my paltry BTC earning funding scams. << Which shitcoin?
BingoBoingo: It's useful to know which shitcoin it was this round and the record a running tab of what i++ next shitcoins are
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 22:21:32; asciilifeform: لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله
BingoBoingo: Why not google that string to see if there are already human translations. Or just swim across the Micheal Jordan river and ask someone a little browner than yourself?
adlai dons gascuba mask and swims to the "don't be evil" bank
adlai still doesn't understand why asciilifeform quoted that
BingoBoingo: Maybe your ergot friend can reveal the truth in a spiritual experience?
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2014 21:29:47; asciilifeform: the idea in the article can (and has) been rephrased like this. if you remove all the 'suggestively-named strings' like 'understand' - and replace with 'gensyms' - e.g., 100324 - does the resulting machine still do or even appear to do anything of interest?
BingoBoingo: From the mines, Micheal Jordan edition: "MJ used to tell Johnny that “Tiger Woods is an idiot. I tried to help him, but the kid’s gonna get caught.” (we all know how that turned out). In order for a girl to get to MJ, she needed to go through 4 undercover former narcotics detectives just to speak to Michael. She had to be approved by all 4 to make sure she wasn’t gonna say a damn word about MJ to anyone. So there’s MJ, n
BingoBoingo: ot the greatest character guy, but he sure was pretty smart."
adlai: (latter is google cache's htmlized pdf)
adlai would at least prefer a "tries hard but mostly fails", but will settle for "either retarted or usg" because it's 'nearly a laugh'
punkman: large bocks are a good thing
mircea_popescu: WHEN: Saturday, January 23, 2016, 9:00 am-5:00 pm << lol two day lead-in ? desperation is dripping off.
mircea_popescu: to quote, "name's Pitt, and you ain't talkin' your ass outta this shit."
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Any news on the Blizard front?
mircea_popescu: Dec 22 17:01:42 <mircea_popescu>in other news, "blocks" : 182731, << same system is now "blocks" : 347914.
mircea_popescu: so i'm guessing... another 2-3 weeks for full sync, making a trb full sync take just about two months on a reasonable box.
mircea_popescu: (actually, if only we had correctly implemented, ie multithreaded and non-io-idiotic, block verifier)