ben_vulpes: which by the way i use regularly to great effect
phf: asciilifeform: unmodified linux ~binaries~?
mats: standard vc money laundering behavior, no?
a111: Logged on 2016-04-12 15:14 asciilifeform: i do not rightfully apprehend mircea_popescu's observation here
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the fact you use them shows just how badly oyu have it. there's also people who use tampons / shit bags to great effect. we call these people women / the pope, and dun wanna be them.
mod6: lol @ literotica silent fixing.
mircea_popescu: hey mod6 can you be persuaded to fire up eulora and do a craft for me ?
phf: asciilifeform: well, precisely. they are talking about running unmodified binaries and doing jit syscall translation. not something cygwin supports
phf: this is evil, evil incarnate, i tell ya
mats: if it weren't for uber i'd own a vehicle that sits unpowered 95% of the time
mircea_popescu: mats don't ever get married ; it's like buying a cunt that sits unlubricated 99% of the time!
mats: i don't look forward to the prospect of marriage
mats: but... filial piety and all that.
mats: i thought you hate driving?
mats: uber's classic service (that is, the 'black car' bidness it was before servicing plebs with 'uberx', 'uberpool', etc) is still good
mats: the simple matter is that car ownership is, to me, a -ev prospect
mircea_popescu: this because 99% of people who currently own cars shouldn't own as much as a pocket knife.
mod6: mircea_popescu: alright, building
a111: Logged on 2016-04-12 23:07 phf: fwiw gtk has been compromising x for year, that's where "remote x is useless" misconception comes from. you can run x emacs on a dialup even (i was doing it on dsl in the early 2000s), but of course running any kind of gtk app fails miserably, because library pushes gratuitous (and unoptimizable by simple RLE) gradients across wire just to render a button.
mircea_popescu: it's like every [unemployable shithead] got all excited about "omaigerd - i know how i'll justify not doing any it work - GRADIENTS !! AWESOME!!!" in like 2002
mircea_popescu: i've been waiting for the idiocy to blow over ever since and it just fucking won't
mircea_popescu: it's now part and parcel of what the idiots have come to expect or some stupid shit.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile i want gradients like i want the "clever" ustard namespace. o woe what the fuck will i do without "laundromat" and "chuck e cheese" !!1
phf: "new and improved gui framework" "what can it do?" "prettier, modern gradients, better than last year's tired gradients"
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: thinks i don't know how poorly this place is set up, haw
ben_vulpes: very much yes i would rather stay with some kindly grandmother i've never met than the roach motel up the street.
mod6: i always thought the airbnb thing was so weird.
mod6: "come over, my wife will cook you dinner, fuck you, and bathe you. $42.95"
phf: yes actually! it was a thing for a bit on craigslist and such. you could invite over a "chef", they cook for free, and eat with you, but you buy the groceries
mircea_popescu: mod6 ftr that was about 50% of italian GDP throughout the past 1500 or so years.
mod6 packs his bags for florance
mod6: 4figs? depends on how many teef she has
mircea_popescu: mod6 for lack of whorexperience he puts the gals on this pedestal.
mod6: yeah, i know a walmart where you can $12 bjs behind the store
mircea_popescu: the last time a woman made 1k+ to fuck some guy, he was some engineer with a love/hate relationship with usg.
mod6: bang you for $20 + a taco
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is what fat ugly dumb cunts use to exploit your kind, alfie.
mod6: hey, think of it this way, you can shag every work day for half a days labor + a taco
mircea_popescu: "something that bangs for 20+taco" in your statement does NOT evaluate to anything.
mircea_popescu: could be queen of the whores, or rando feminist. the future does NOT reach into the past to rearrange it somehow magically.
mircea_popescu: besides the point. this strawman won't work any better than all the previous ones.
mircea_popescu: the objection t oyour broken mental process isn't that you generalize unwarrantedly.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: it's that you attempt to re-value the item in quiestion [woman] by future considerations [the sort that will have done X[
mircea_popescu: whatever she sucks&fucks for, she's exactgly the same object.
mircea_popescu: and in general, you can never use this mechanism, ever.
mircea_popescu: you use it plenty, and the results are always crapolade.
mod6: i guess i can see how a high-class georgetown hooker might charge like 1k per night or someshit, but you can just drive down to baltimore and get laid 3x for 60, and keep the change for the crack.
mircea_popescu: mod6 or you can offer her 150 and unless she smells sucker she'll go for it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're yet to make 200 bux for tmsr work.
mod6: sure, put in a bid. see if some takers. always a solid bet.
mod6: actually, i'd bet there are folks, even here, that would do small spec'd out work for .50000000
mircea_popescu: this is such trite nominalism. if they'll do it for 0, 200 bux really is not here or there.
mircea_popescu: i do not think whoring is extempt from market mechanisms. i KNOW that what you misrepresent as "market mechanisms" is pure usg ideology and has not ever SEEN a market.
mircea_popescu: ie, this "item is bad because it was cheap" nonsense is ONLY THERE to prop up the "item is good because was expensive" idiocy.
mircea_popescu: neither of these are market related. they're pure ustardia.
mircea_popescu: whose work is in SUCH high demand specifically that they HAVE TO charge 4k an hour to control the herds ?
mircea_popescu: seeing how erection still only item in short supply in sex market
phf: i personally know girls that charge the entire range from about 200 to 1500, they list on high end escort services, because they can pull it off, but they also list on various adultfinder variations, because that's a quick buck. i don't know what's the lowest they went for, i should ask, but this definitely doesn't work like "market forces"
mircea_popescu: except on specially arranged sets catering to this particular fantasy, there's one guy in a car buying and a buncha chicks queuing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and the soviets thought "satellite launch cheapest- costs nothing"
mircea_popescu: erection is hard and difficult and lasts but a trifle.
mircea_popescu: phf i know from experience pretty much EVERY escort, even those who charge 1-2-5k to corporate accounts, actually work for 1-200 ish.
mircea_popescu: similarly, plumber will charge you 4500 if you're paying, why not.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they walk around hard 24/7 until they meet a girl, after which they discover teenaged female needs 5-6 of them.
phf: mircea_popescu: exactly
mircea_popescu: in sane countries happens around 10th grade, but ustardia is its own world.
mircea_popescu: and no, shoveled dirt all day bloke does fine, good blood. office twerp, not so fine.
phf: there's no shortage of stamina in the head
mod6: anyway, my point was, if you wanna fuck, no need to drop a stack.
mod6: well, there's always "phreeee". but... just sayin, you don't need to spend $1k. $100 is a long way from $1000
mircea_popescu: not really. young boys have a terrible time. nigh on impossible for old women.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile if you keep in decent shape, you're good till you finally lose interest
phf: wasn't lafond talking how the older he gets the more attention he gets
mircea_popescu: im not so sure how far i trust his self-evals, but anyway
phf: that's like those office "college quarterbacker" guys, almost always in the worst shape, particularly since delusional about past achievements
phf: can be challenged to feats of athleticism when drunk with predictably sad results
mod6: mircea_popescu: ok i made you a thing
mod6: actually 54 of 'em @ 181q
jurov: z/znc clearallchannelbuffers
mod6: ah sorry, got distracted.
mircea_popescu: btw trinque what was the thing with btcalpha interconnect ? got a rss or something for mike_c ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform "ex boxer" just evals to "fat". << His pictures seem to acurately represent his self declared 50 or so pounds over fighting weight.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He has some author photos on Amazon and places he guest writes.
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 5 by 2 connections.
trinque: mike_c: you want a postgresql connection?
trinque: mike_c: then you can perform whatever queries are useful to you when you sync data
trinque: sure, he's in my WoT, happy to grant him access to some tables
mircea_popescu: i mean, make him a user, give it select priviledges, done.
mircea_popescu: basically once bdb is killed in bitcoin we can just have a standared tmsr db and just do this ?
trinque: I had an old boss who thought the web ought to be composed of interlinked databases rather than "websites", certainly not the only man to say this
trinque: but makes a hell of a lot of sense
mircea_popescu: at least temporarily, for as long as the usual fucktards don't "improve" sql to be more... "responsive"
mircea_popescu: i'd sure as fuck trade in html soup in exchange for sql.
trinque: may its hellish syntax hold the line
mircea_popescu: i still suspect there's a good reason this doesn't work tho.
trinque: there are myriad ddos reasons one might not want any user to be able to interrogate the db
trinque: wot seems to solve that, and is exactly the reason I'm willing to open the db to mike_c
trinque: but then, you could even split it such that certain users may only use certain views, others may create their own queries
trinque: I've yet to be convinced that the database isn't a thing.
trinque: further, any system that manages a large pile of persistent data will end up reinventing ACID, relational integrity, so on, in the same manner that any object system may eventually find it is some degree of shitty subset of CLOS
trinque: there are obvious problems that fall out of many programs diddling the same data concurrently, or users of different levels of access interacting with the same data model, or what happens when I didn't write all the damn data successfully, or... or...
a111: Logged on 2014-07-16 17:44 mike_c: need zocchi dice
trinque: mike_c: anyhow, until asciilifeform writes me a CLOS persistence layer with ACID, a declarative permissions model, and networking, gpg me the IP you'd be coming from and I'll open that in the firewall then shoot you a psql user/pass
☟︎ trinque: and ftr, the dream described above *would be a motherfucking database*
a111: Logged on 2016-04-13 03:54 trinque: mike_c: anyhow, until asciilifeform writes me a CLOS persistence layer with ACID, a declarative permissions model, and networking, gpg me the IP you'd be coming from and I'll open that in the firewall then shoot you a psql user/pass
trinque: I am entirely willing to do a shitty thing that doesn't kill me while I am waiting for something else.
trinque: doing the fundamentally right thing here, I think, involves the act of rating being that you make a deed of a signed statement which is your rating.
trinque: then my gossipd deednode chatters about rating deeds to mike_c after x confirmations
mats: $12 a blowjob is an odd number
☟︎☟︎ deedbot: $12 a blowjob is an odd number is not a command.
mats: $20, even $10, i get it, but $12?
deedbot: $20, even $10, i get it, but $12? is not a command.
ben_vulpes: i have a pgbomination wired into trb somewhere in my working tree.
ben_vulpes: shits txen into mother postgres as they come down the pipe
ben_vulpes: not even partially baked, got distracted by 'necessary prerequisite'
ben_vulpes: (a far cry from 'poc or gtfo', i know)
trinque: the bitbet auction pointed at the same problem, which looks more v-tronic the more I think about it
trinque: certainly in both cases before/after is what matters, not necessarily *when*
mircea_popescu: trinque> there are myriad ddos reasons one might not want any user to be able to interrogate the db << technically, all php driven websites are just a thin wrapper over user-driven mysql calls.
mircea_popescu: trinque> I've yet to be convinced that the database isn't a thing << hey, i've been following your crusade from the foxhole, i dun see that it lost as of yet.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this isn't how mitm works. so what, mike_c gets fed bad data, and then we see it, and then what.
mircea_popescu: mats> $20, even $10, i get it, but $12? << market forces. prolly the price of a suficient number of hot pocketz or w/e.
a111: Logged on 2015-07-08 23:22 decimation: also describing it as 'political time' when the policy is 'matches easily observable astronomical phenomena' seems a bit hyperbolic
trinque: that recently caused me to change the "last updated at" on deedbot.org to use a block number in place of a timestamp.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-13 04:38 mats: $12 a blowjob is an odd number
a111: Logged on 2016-04-13 09:03 punkman:
https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/367 "we demonstrate various weaknesses of the random number generator (RNG) in the OpenSSL cryptographic library"
shinohai: Because we need more secure javascript
a111: Logged on 2016-04-13 05:37 mircea_popescu: trinque> and who, of course << there is no "when" outside of before/after other than yet another derpy attempt by usg to matter, which ~nobody gives a shit about. (see also
http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-08#1193955 re that if you care)
jurov: eh, get away. all empires had to observe the same astronomical events
shinohai: Sync boxes with the official trilema sundial.
jurov: stuff along the ecliptic is visible from all inhabitated places...
jurov: like, planets are the same on bith hemispheres
jurov: asciilifeform: +- hour accuracy is still usable
jurov: what does political time have with it? does nonpolitical time even exist?
jurov: when ancien cultires tracked equinoxes for agriculture purposes, was that political too?
jurov: so you mean "political" == "imposed by biological human condition"... but then the term is so all-encompassing and vague and thus useless.
jurov: everything we observe and talk about is then "political"
a111: Logged on 2016-04-08 21:00 mircea_popescu: davout for my curiosity, did you move the hotwallet funds or did you pass the codebase along with the hotwallet ?
a111: Logged on 2016-04-08 20:36 mircea_popescu: davout i have nfi what you did here. for one thing, shareholders don't get 86, they get 86 + 1% of resolveed bets - 13.37
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they only find out they don't agree through a before/after violation.
mircea_popescu: there really, positively, finally and definitively does NOT exist any sort of "time"
mircea_popescu: jurov> eh, get away. all empires had to observe the same astronomical events << the concept of "event" is fundamentally distinct from your notion of "time".
mircea_popescu: plox to also revisit the discussion re shitty computers and "number", and how the field of even numbers is "not contiguous" scl.
mircea_popescu: jurov> everything we observe and talk about is then "political" << and so it is. re the public/private distinction made by the republic. it further follows that anything public in a space poisoned by the socialist ideology will be political. you know, from polithea, shitpit.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-08 15:36 mircea_popescu: here's how spears work : they have a business end and a handle. the handle - always points toward you. the business end - always points to the enemy.
mircea_popescu: jurov> so you mean "political" == "imposed by biological human condition"... << no. there is nothing biological or human about political space. it is antibiological and inhuman.
mircea_popescu: which is what they generally mean by "civilised". antibiological and inhuman.
mircea_popescu: apparently there's something calling tiself "ΩF:∅" doing something or the other
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you recall pretty much you ever said about the turd, i never contested.
mircea_popescu: basically i suspect we accidentally collided (via eulora, no less!) with a group of well meaning fellows that are argentinia-level managed and perhaps there's a joining available. we see.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-12 13:19 mircea_popescu: incidentally : anyone on friendly terms with cs depts at unis / cs profs, plox get in touch, i have a little scheme i could use your halp with. ty!
mircea_popescu: i would think logs best. do you think they're defective in some way ?
mircea_popescu: did you ever see write-up of similar that seemed good to you ?
mircea_popescu: lol prev art for req';d trilema article to be found... on trilema. my heads ;/
shinohai: thx as well BingoBoingo I never miss an opportunity to lol at ETH
mats: use a more impressive number
mircea_popescu: hey, last time euro dropped 1% in a day, you couldn't get out of the fucking "o noes europe is teh end" usg agitprop
mats: 30% drop over two weeks!1
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there are more confounding factors for whores. take simple example : you're paid to eat, but have to eat the food the sponsor pays for. what if you think tgi tuesdays is meh ?
mircea_popescu: whore is a lot more selective, similarly, and demanding, similarly.
mircea_popescu: shitty chain of fast food pretending to be a restaurant
mircea_popescu: "ever wanted to eat couch airplane food on land ? HERE IT IS"
phf: "eww, mcdonalds, lets go to tgis instead"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but this also makes you more likely to put in the work to tmsr.
mircea_popescu: which is why whore (the real kind, that actually works - as opposed to what the female group wail purports) is in all times and places the young leader's best and most trustworthy ally.
mircea_popescu: also very cheap gauge. no need to risk your head - if the working girls don't worship you, best stay in school.
mircea_popescu: (now guess why puritans like to pretend like the brothel is damnation, notwithstanding it is intricately linked to all stories of individual success - take paris for your instance.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-10 15:58 mircea_popescu: it's these specific lobotomies that allow "certain kinds" of societies to function.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform when i was a kid in middle school, there was this red headed 14 yo that "everyone knew" was A TOTAL WHORE.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck asked a bunch of retarded 14 yo females anything ?
mircea_popescu: there's this group behaviour, the female wail. go into a group and shoot one in the head. see what happens.
mircea_popescu: it ensured their survival throughout otherwise very unfriendly history, and it is and likely will remain the central pillar of female socialisation and social behaviour. they wail.
trinque: ^ hopefully he'll survive a netsplit now
mircea_popescu: i was going for this entire "keep it short and notify"
mircea_popescu: to get under the "hey this is too long for me to read - i'm in academia damnit"
mircea_popescu: it is currently 11667 characters, which means like 20 pages
diana_coman: fwiw I think asciilifeform has a point there
mircea_popescu: well on one hand shoving it under door seems a miserable plan to me. if you can't say to some guy "hey, look into this!" prolly best not molest 'em
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, i have nfi how to make it shorter. i guess the irc transcript could be made to go away ?
mircea_popescu: seems a serious loss, as the convo is very tense in the original, and i doubt anyone but they involved even has the priors to grok wtf is being said.
mircea_popescu: thinking of text in "ai" terms, the more complex the graph / strlen, the tenser.
diana_coman: I think what is difficult to grok at all there is what exactly (even in broad terms) is the offering - what is this millenium of code challenge at core
mircea_popescu: at the core it is - you get the chance to offload most of your actual work on a private company.
mircea_popescu: which is, as far as history informs, what all bureaucrats ever really wanted.
BingoBoingo: AHA! mircea_popescu has a side effect of supporting the entrenchment of English through Eulora!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform none of that. teacher has to make up a fucking teaching plan, and establish curricula and scoring criteria and whatnot. THIS IS WORK
mircea_popescu: can just meld it off eulora, get more class participation while watching more dr who or w/e tyhe fuck it is they do./
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well the tools aren't there to replace it yet.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you gotta give kids soemthign to do, right ?
mircea_popescu: they can make their own node.js client, who cares what tech they use.
mircea_popescu: they can make a smaller part ; or a method to do x. for that matter hooks are exposed and more or less documented.
mircea_popescu: they can make a perl bot to bid in irc auctions ffs. anything they want, they can make.
mircea_popescu: jurov more or less bolted scheme on the thing from what i hear. some other guy whose programming experience consists of flash reskinned the client in a coupla days.
mircea_popescu: in this sense no one could ever do anything. heck, i can't explain why roses are fun and enlightening either.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, my not-yet-fully-formed idea was that it offers a. meaning hence interest from students b. active and responsive channel hence support c. wider experience (aka mystical "industry skillz" we need more of) d. (or overall) actually getting them into a wot that yeah, supports learning and not only tech either
mircea_popescu: it seems rather obvious that a bunch of undergrads would prefer to hack on a game over any and all other possible tasks they could get. not sure this point needs further argument, but if it does, prolly the blockhead in question not fit for white collar work anyway.
diana_coman: and it kind of got onto me because of all this current academia apparent strive towards "using OS as a way to get students develop wider skills and be more ready for industry" stuff; see open academy etc
diana_coman: I don't mean we should now explain how it is more interesting, more a statement of concrete points
diana_coman: hmmm, borenstein is with stanford I think?
diana_coman: basically there is Open Academy that apparently works to some extent - by that I mean it gets some students to do something useful over a few months with mentors from respective OS projects
diana_coman: jay borenstein, he's the initiator of Open Academy as far as I know (I don't know him personally)
diana_coman: I'm still internally filtering a list of people I think might be most interested
mircea_popescu: but back to more prosaic concerns, hey mod6 ben_vulpes what's gonna be in this month's foundation report ?
☟︎☟︎ trinque: phf: what'd you end up changing in that ping/pong code?
phf: trinque: basically state is *last-pong* and *connection-state*
phf: in irc-pong-message hook i do (setq *last-pong* (max ping-time (or *last-pong* 0)))
phf: it measures time since *last-pong* on each tick, and if more then some time passed it sends out ping with current time and goes into waiting-ping state
phf: then if it gets a pong everything's ok, or it goes into a disconnect
phf: trinque: actual state machine is a bit more elaborate, but atm incomplete. i'm writing it so that bot is entirely driven by the state machine, but right now only connected, ping/pong and disconnect parts are thought through
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a111: Logged on 2016-04-13 17:09 mircea_popescu: but back to more prosaic concerns, hey mod6 ben_vulpes what's gonna be in this month's foundation report ?
phf: but my shiva experiments were interrupted by log writing
davout: and re the hot wallet, kakobrekla sent it to me, and it was added to the 'currently under my control' part of the cash
deedbot: deedbot- voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Pls no np links to reddit. Strip out the no so if people wanna manipulate voats with bots or socks they can without getting them banned.
shinohai: yeah only noticed the np after i had ctrl+v'd
shinohai likes downvote bots when he's drinking ....
shinohai: I have been toning down myself of late, but do enjoy binges on special occasions. And free booze is free booze.
punkman: who drinks absinthe anyway
shinohai: I do, I rather enjoy it. Got a whole set of spoons, glasses, and all.
shinohai hasn't yet gotten so inebriated he chopped off an ear tho
BingoBoingo: Huh, losing the BitBet auction seems to have hit pete pretty hard.
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