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ben_vulpes: man that's derpy even for airbnb
ben_vulpes: which by the way i use regularly to great effect
asciilifeform: phf: i beg to differ- i had not only x11 built under cygwin long ago (at usg gig!) but ratpoison, firefox, 1,001 unmodified linux proggies
phf: asciilifeform: unmodified linux ~binaries~?
mats: standard vc money laundering behavior, no?
mircea_popescu: kik dualboot from redmond itself!
mircea_popescu: mats> what i remember from the BUILD keynote about this is there's an ELF loader and translate syscalls << then alf wants to know what i mean about http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-12#1450492☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-04-12 15:14 asciilifeform: i do not rightfully apprehend mircea_popescu's observation here
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the fact you use them shows just how badly oyu have it. there's also people who use tampons / shit bags to great effect. we call these people women / the pope, and dun wanna be them.
mod6: lol @ literotica silent fixing.
mircea_popescu: hey mod6 can you be persuaded to fire up eulora and do a craft for me ?
asciilifeform: <phf> asciilifeform: unmodified linux ~binaries~? << no, built locally. but unmodified SOURCES
mircea_popescu: i need moar datapoints.
mod6: yeah. sure.
mircea_popescu: meet me in town ima give you the gear needed
asciilifeform: <ben_vulpes> which by the way i use regularly to great effect << aha, recall, i even used 'uber'
phf: asciilifeform: well, precisely. they are talking about running unmodified binaries and doing jit syscall translation. not something cygwin supports
asciilifeform: phf: ah
asciilifeform: yeah this'd be something else
phf: this is evil, evil incarnate, i tell ya
mats: if it weren't for uber i'd own a vehicle that sits unpowered 95% of the time
asciilifeform: but what i was pointing out was that building unmodified (sourcewise) linux proggies to run on shitblowz was baked long, long ago
mircea_popescu: mats don't ever get married ; it's like buying a cunt that sits unlubricated 99% of the time!
shinohai: KEK
asciilifeform: mats: do you fire the kalash every day ? how about the electron microscope ?
mats: i don't look forward to the prospect of marriage
asciilifeform: how about the frag ?
mats: but... filial piety and all that.
asciilifeform: do you pull the pin every day??
mats: i thought you hate driving?
asciilifeform: i very much do.
shinohai takes tacis everywhere.
shinohai: *taxis
mats: uber's classic service (that is, the 'black car' bidness it was before servicing plebs with 'uberx', 'uberpool', etc) is still good
asciilifeform: mats: but i can't really separate the reason for hating it from my hatred of working.
mats: the simple matter is that car ownership is, to me, a -ev prospect
asciilifeform: if i only ever drove to places where i actually ~wanted~ to be, i might not hate it.
mircea_popescu: this because 99% of people who currently own cars shouldn't own as much as a pocket knife.
asciilifeform: perhaps this is when to point out that they do not in fact ~own~ the things
asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu knew this.
mircea_popescu: hey he was discussing ownersheep!
asciilifeform: (the typical modern auto is built to fall apart within 1% or somesuch of the day the credit is paid off)
asciilifeform goes ~100km on a typical day
mod6: mircea_popescu: alright, building
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-12#1450744 << this fucking gradient business omfg...☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-04-12 23:07 phf: fwiw gtk has been compromising x for year, that's where "remote x is useless" misconception comes from. you can run x emacs on a dialup even (i was doing it on dsl in the early 2000s), but of course running any kind of gtk app fails miserably, because library pushes gratuitous (and unoptimizable by simple RLE) gradients across wire just to render a button.
mircea_popescu: it's like every [unemployable shithead] got all excited about "omaigerd - i know how i'll justify not doing any it work - GRADIENTS !! AWESOME!!!" in like 2002
mircea_popescu: i've been waiting for the idiocy to blow over ever since and it just fucking won't
mircea_popescu: it's now part and parcel of what the idiots have come to expect or some stupid shit.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile i want gradients like i want the "clever" ustard namespace. o woe what the fuck will i do without "laundromat" and "chuck e cheese" !!1
mircea_popescu: such glorious victories of ~world~ culture!
phf: "new and improved gui framework" "what can it do?" "prettier, modern gradients, better than last year's tired gradients"
mircea_popescu: it'd be funny if it weren't literally exact.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: thinks i don't know how poorly this place is set up, haw
ben_vulpes: very much yes i would rather stay with some kindly grandmother i've never met than the roach motel up the street.
mod6: i always thought the airbnb thing was so weird.
mod6: i couldn't do it
asciilifeform long wondered why there is not the next logical step for uber & airbnb - 'restaurant' where you show up to somebody's house and he cooks for you
mod6: haha
mircea_popescu: isn't this what mistress is traditionally ?
asciilifeform: and of course there is the inevitable whoring app, but that'd have to use coin and is still waiting for wot folk to do it
mircea_popescu: maybe it should be called Ho-Tel
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no i meant anonymous you-can-be-anybody-so-long-as-you-got-dough sort of thing
mod6: "come over, my wife will cook you dinner, fuck you, and bathe you. $42.95"
asciilifeform: y'know, like an illegal taxi
phf: yes actually! it was a thing for a bit on craigslist and such. you could invite over a "chef", they cook for free, and eat with you, but you buy the groceries
mircea_popescu: mod6 ftr that was about 50% of italian GDP throughout the past 1500 or so years.
mod6 packs his bags for florance
mircea_popescu: you mean deflorence.
mod6: haha, yea, there
asciilifeform: iirc serviceable chix cost 4figs in most of usaschwitz
asciilifeform: so no fiddybux deal.
asciilifeform: unless you want to use a blindfold
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform blindfold included.
asciilifeform: like british sailors, eating their maggoty biscuits
mircea_popescu: enough with this kulak high falootin.
asciilifeform: l0l
mircea_popescu: no derp left behiney!
mod6: 4figs? depends on how many teef she has
mircea_popescu: mod6 for lack of whorexperience he puts the gals on this pedestal.
asciilifeform: as many teeth, that many benjies, price!
mod6: yeah, i know a walmart where you can $12 bjs behind the store
mircea_popescu: the last time a woman made 1k+ to fuck some guy, he was some engineer with a love/hate relationship with usg.
mod6: bang you for $20 + a taco
mircea_popescu: the usd, backed by half-n-half.
asciilifeform: yeah but then you bang something that bangs for 20+taco
mircea_popescu: you got it backwards.
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is what fat ugly dumb cunts use to exploit your kind, alfie.
mod6: hey, think of it this way, you can shag every work day for half a days labor + a taco
mircea_popescu: it doesn't MEAN anything.
asciilifeform: waiwut
asciilifeform: mod6: you can also eat 'chocolate' from the pharmacy, aha
mircea_popescu: "something that bangs for 20+taco" in your statement does NOT evaluate to anything.
asciilifeform: and drink some 'beer'
asciilifeform: (that is mostly pisswater)
mircea_popescu: there is no such "something".
asciilifeform: well just as there is no 'american beer', there are only concrete pisswaters
asciilifeform: but all meaningfully related.
mircea_popescu: could be queen of the whores, or rando feminist. the future does NOT reach into the past to rearrange it somehow magically.
mircea_popescu: it's an untouchable, absolute barrier.
asciilifeform: naturalist cannot afford to treat every blade of grass as a particular!
asciilifeform: gotta form hypothesis.
mircea_popescu: besides the point. this strawman won't work any better than all the previous ones.
mircea_popescu: the objection t oyour broken mental process isn't that you generalize unwarrantedly.
asciilifeform: this sophism won't work better than all the previous ones either, l0l
asciilifeform straps on gas mask
mircea_popescu: it's that you attempt to re-value the item in quiestion [woman] by future considerations [the sort that will have done X[
mircea_popescu: this is not how it works.
mircea_popescu: whatever she sucks&fucks for, she's exactgly the same object.
asciilifeform: so mircea_popescu proposes that i cannot infer anything interesting from the fact that chick fucks for 20bux ?
mircea_popescu: exactly.
asciilifeform: anything useful at all?
mircea_popescu: and in general, you can never use this mechanism, ever.
mircea_popescu: you use it plenty, and the results are always crapolade.
mod6: i guess i can see how a high-class georgetown hooker might charge like 1k per night or someshit, but you can just drive down to baltimore and get laid 3x for 60, and keep the change for the crack.
asciilifeform: let's try different profession. can mircea_popescu infer anything from the fact that mr joe programmer writes entire project for 200 bux ?
asciilifeform: anything useful at all?
mircea_popescu: mod6 or you can offer her 150 and unless she smells sucker she'll go for it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're yet to make 200 bux for tmsr work.
mod6: sure, put in a bid. see if some takers. always a solid bet.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i said 200, specifically not 0
asciilifeform: plenty of folks allah snackbar into small pieces for 0.
mircea_popescu: fine, i'll buy you a steak.
asciilifeform: but nobody - for 200.
mod6: actually, i'd bet there are folks, even here, that would do small spec'd out work for .50000000
mircea_popescu: this is such trite nominalism. if they'll do it for 0, 200 bux really is not here or there.
asciilifeform: i am somewhat floored that mircea_popescu appears to think whoring to be exempt from ordinary market mechanisms!
asciilifeform: 2000 car is quite different from 200,000
mircea_popescu: that is yet another strawman.
asciilifeform: but cheap whore is precisely same as expensive?!
asciilifeform: how strawman ?
mircea_popescu: i do not think whoring is extempt from market mechanisms. i KNOW that what you misrepresent as "market mechanisms" is pure usg ideology and has not ever SEEN a market.
mircea_popescu: ie, this "item is bad because it was cheap" nonsense is ONLY THERE to prop up the "item is good because was expensive" idiocy.
mircea_popescu: neither of these are market related. they're pure ustardia.
asciilifeform: is mircea_popescu telling me that 'expensive whore' is 'veblen good' ? (if he is, i will believe him, i know ~as much re whoring as about deep ocean currents)
mircea_popescu: she's not made of fucking soap!
asciilifeform: i did not say 'sucks because high mileage'
mircea_popescu: doesn't wear down with use.
asciilifeform: but because why doesn't the high-quality one charge moar
mircea_popescu: yes but wtf is she going to charge 1k for ?
mircea_popescu: think for a moment. she does 4 an hour.
mircea_popescu: whose work is in SUCH high demand specifically that they HAVE TO charge 4k an hour to control the herds ?
asciilifeform: for there being a queue 25km long, vs the fiddybux whore's 1km ?
asciilifeform: thin the queue, make moar?
mircea_popescu: all i ever seen were whores queuing
mircea_popescu: seeing how erection still only item in short supply in sex market
mircea_popescu: where did you see dudes queing to cunt ?
asciilifeform: this is still a mega-puzzler
phf: i personally know girls that charge the entire range from about 200 to 1500, they list on high end escort services, because they can pull it off, but they also list on various adultfinder variations, because that's a quick buck. i don't know what's the lowest they went for, i should ask, but this definitely doesn't work like "market forces"
mircea_popescu: except on specially arranged sets catering to this particular fantasy, there's one guy in a car buying and a buncha chicks queuing.
asciilifeform: erection is literally cheapest thing in known earth.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and the soviets thought "satellite launch cheapest- costs nothing"
mircea_popescu: yeah, while empire lasts.
mircea_popescu: erection is hard and difficult and lasts but a trifle.
mircea_popescu: cunt's wet for 40 years straight.
mod6: death is free
mircea_popescu: phf i know from experience pretty much EVERY escort, even those who charge 1-2-5k to corporate accounts, actually work for 1-200 ish.
asciilifeform: the 'rare erection' thing is only even possible to picture if you discount the billion frustrated teenagers walking around hard 24/7
mircea_popescu: similarly, plumber will charge you 4500 if you're paying, why not.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they walk around hard 24/7 until they meet a girl, after which they discover teenaged female needs 5-6 of them.
phf: mircea_popescu: exactly
mircea_popescu: in sane countries happens around 10th grade, but ustardia is its own world.
asciilifeform: i dun get this, a healthy bloke reloads in 10, 20 (if he shoveled dirt all day) min.
mircea_popescu: once.
mircea_popescu: and no, shoveled dirt all day bloke does fine, good blood. office twerp, not so fine.
mircea_popescu: but anyway. once. and then ? she's still there.
phf: there's no shortage of stamina in the head
mod6: anyway, my point was, if you wanna fuck, no need to drop a stack.
asciilifeform: mod6: if you're young/pretty you can fuck for phreeee, sure
mircea_popescu: for women you mean ?
asciilifeform: anybody
mod6: well, there's always "phreeee". but... just sayin, you don't need to spend $1k. $100 is a long way from $1000
mircea_popescu: not really. young boys have a terrible time. nigh on impossible for old women.
mircea_popescu: maybe if they're very careful.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile if you keep in decent shape, you're good till you finally lose interest
mircea_popescu: w/e that it.
mircea_popescu: is&
phf: wasn't lafond talking how the older he gets the more attention he gets
asciilifeform: the man was a boxer!
mircea_popescu: im not so sure how far i trust his self-evals, but anyway
asciilifeform: certainly didn't rot in no office.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "ex boxer" just evals to "fat".
asciilifeform has deeply nfi, will believe mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu: it's not a good athlete.
mircea_popescu: ex-runner, you got something. ex swimmer.
mircea_popescu: olympics anything generally.
mircea_popescu: but not us football / boxing / hockey etc.
phf: that's like those office "college quarterbacker" guys, almost always in the worst shape, particularly since delusional about past achievements
phf: can be challenged to feats of athleticism when drunk with predictably sad results
mircea_popescu: heh
mod6: mircea_popescu: ok i made you a thing
mod6: actually 54 of 'em @ 181q
mircea_popescu: trade me mod6
jurov: z/znc clearallchannelbuffers
jurov: doh
mod6: ah sorry, got distracted.
mircea_popescu: btw trinque what was the thing with btcalpha interconnect ? got a rss or something for mike_c ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform "ex boxer" just evals to "fat". << His pictures seem to acurately represent his self declared 50 or so pounds over fighting weight.
mircea_popescu: a ? never seen any pix
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He has some author photos on Amazon and places he guest writes.
mircea_popescu: a ok
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/dragons-tale-a-bitcoin-linux-mmorpg/ << checkj out what i dug up
trinque: $gettrust mike_c
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 5 by 2 connections.
trinque: mike_c: you want a postgresql connection?
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2016/04/fbi-investigates-soup-can-heist/ << ok i lollered :D
trinque: mike_c: then you can perform whatever queries are useful to you when you sync data
mircea_popescu: wow is that actually practical ?
trinque: sure, he's in my WoT, happy to grant him access to some tables
mircea_popescu: hm. i wonder why this isn't more often done then ?
mircea_popescu: i mean, make him a user, give it select priviledges, done.
trinque: exactly
mircea_popescu: basically once bdb is killed in bitcoin we can just have a standared tmsr db and just do this ?
trinque: I had an old boss who thought the web ought to be composed of interlinked databases rather than "websites", certainly not the only man to say this
trinque: but makes a hell of a lot of sense
mircea_popescu: at least temporarily, for as long as the usual fucktards don't "improve" sql to be more... "responsive"
mircea_popescu: "to the users' perceived needs".
mircea_popescu: i'd sure as fuck trade in html soup in exchange for sql.
trinque: may its hellish syntax hold the line
trinque: yep
mircea_popescu: and this is even before any flash blabla.
mircea_popescu: i still suspect there's a good reason this doesn't work tho.
trinque: there are myriad ddos reasons one might not want any user to be able to interrogate the db
trinque: wot seems to solve that, and is exactly the reason I'm willing to open the db to mike_c
trinque: but then, you could even split it such that certain users may only use certain views, others may create their own queries
asciilifeform: this smacks of the proverbial 'for 20k, i drill my OWN holez!'
trinque: I've yet to be convinced that the database isn't a thing.
trinque: further, any system that manages a large pile of persistent data will end up reinventing ACID, relational integrity, so on, in the same manner that any object system may eventually find it is some degree of shitty subset of CLOS
trinque: there are obvious problems that fall out of many programs diddling the same data concurrently, or users of different levels of access interacting with the same data model, or what happens when I didn't write all the damn data successfully, or... or...
mod6: mike_c: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2014#758070 << these are the real deals 'eh?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-07-16 17:44 mike_c: need zocchi dice
trinque: mike_c: anyhow, until asciilifeform writes me a CLOS persistence layer with ACID, a declarative permissions model, and networking, gpg me the IP you'd be coming from and I'll open that in the firewall then shoot you a psql user/pass
trinque: and ftr, the dream described above *would be a motherfucking database*
trinque: lol
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1450999 << ip?! invitation for mitm?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-04-13 03:54 trinque: mike_c: anyhow, until asciilifeform writes me a CLOS persistence layer with ACID, a declarative permissions model, and networking, gpg me the IP you'd be coming from and I'll open that in the firewall then shoot you a psql user/pass
trinque: and what the fuck is rss
trinque: I am entirely willing to do a shitty thing that doesn't kill me while I am waiting for something else.
trinque: y'know like being on IRC
trinque: doing the fundamentally right thing here, I think, involves the act of rating being that you make a deed of a signed statement which is your rating.
trinque: then my gossipd deednode chatters about rating deeds to mike_c after x confirmations
mats: $12 a blowjob is an odd number
deedbot: $12 a blowjob is an odd number is not a command.
mats: oh hello there
trinque: lol
mats: $20, even $10, i get it, but $12?
deedbot: $20, even $10, i get it, but $12? is not a command.
ben_vulpes: i have a pgbomination wired into trb somewhere in my working tree.
ben_vulpes: shits txen into mother postgres as they come down the pipe
ben_vulpes: not even partially baked, got distracted by 'necessary prerequisite'
ben_vulpes: (a far cry from 'poc or gtfo', i know)
trinque: neat
ben_vulpes: notrly, it haunts me as i go to sleep
mod6: heheh
trinque: the bitbet auction pointed at the same problem, which looks more v-tronic the more I think about it
trinque: certainly in both cases before/after is what matters, not necessarily *when*
trinque: and who, of course
mircea_popescu: trinque> there are myriad ddos reasons one might not want any user to be able to interrogate the db << technically, all php driven websites are just a thin wrapper over user-driven mysql calls.
mircea_popescu: literotica recent thing being a lulzy point in case
mircea_popescu: even exposed their shitty locking policies lolz.
mircea_popescu: (yes, obviously could ddos the site, permanently)
mircea_popescu: trinque> I've yet to be convinced that the database isn't a thing << hey, i've been following your crusade from the foxhole, i dun see that it lost as of yet.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this isn't how mitm works. so what, mike_c gets fed bad data, and then we see it, and then what.
mircea_popescu: mats> $20, even $10, i get it, but $12? << market forces. prolly the price of a suficient number of hot pocketz or w/e.
mircea_popescu: trinque> and who, of course << there is no "when" outside of before/after other than yet another derpy attempt by usg to matter, which ~nobody gives a shit about. (see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-08#1193955 re that if you care)☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-07-08 23:22 decimation: also describing it as 'political time' when the policy is 'matches easily observable astronomical phenomena' seems a bit hyperbolic
trinque: that recently caused me to change the "last updated at" on deedbot.org to use a block number in place of a timestamp.
trinque to bed
punkman: https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/367 "we demonstrate various weaknesses of the random number generator (RNG) in the OpenSSL cryptographic library"
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1451009 <<< lol☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-04-13 04:38 mats: $12 a blowjob is an odd number
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/wz7
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1451036 <<☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-04-13 09:03 punkman: https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/367 "we demonstrate various weaknesses of the random number generator (RNG) in the OpenSSL cryptographic library"
asciilifeform: l0l!!
asciilifeform: Run Moar Whitened RNG!!
asciilifeform: also look forward to the nsa 'fix' for this 'bug'.
shinohai: Here's one to make you cringe asciilifeform https://github.com/davidapple/davemail
shinohai: Because we need more secure javascript
asciilifeform: shinohai: snore.
shinohai: >.>
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1451032 << nav satellites actually won't work at all unless they agree on 'what nanosecond IS IT NOW' globally - but notice, they gotta carry own clocks for this.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-04-13 05:37 mircea_popescu: trinque> and who, of course << there is no "when" outside of before/after other than yet another derpy attempt by usg to matter, which ~nobody gives a shit about. (see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-08#1193955 re that if you care)
asciilifeform: if your application needs agreement on time xxxx km away, you have no choice but to have synced cesium clock on each end.
asciilifeform: but 'there is no when' is bullshit, you can ~create~ the 'when'.
asciilifeform: what there ~isn't~ and won't be is a unified planetary clock independent of the inca empire of the day...
asciilifeform: such a thing can only exist as a ritual of empire, consider where we got GMT.
jurov: eh, get away. all empires had to observe the same astronomical events
shinohai: Sync boxes with the official trilema sundial.
asciilifeform: jurov: good luck observing same events from north and south hemi
jurov: stuff along the ecliptic is visible from all inhabitated places...
jurov: like, planets are the same on bith hemispheres
jurov: *both
asciilifeform: go sync naval chronometer to that.
punkman: relevant https://science.slashdot.org/story/11/05/11/1745213/government-funded-atomic-clock-on-a-chip
asciilifeform: punkman: ancient news, there is one in the museum where i live
jurov: asciilifeform: +- hour accuracy is still usable
asciilifeform: +- day is still 'usable' somewhere.
asciilifeform: at any rate, thread was about 'absolute time', counted from some agreed-upon zero
jurov: what does political time have with it? does nonpolitical time even exist?
jurov: when ancien cultires tracked equinoxes for agriculture purposes, was that political too?
asciilifeform: yes.
asciilifeform bbl
jurov: so you mean "political" == "imposed by biological human condition"... but then the term is so all-encompassing and vague and thus useless.
jurov: everything we observe and talk about is then "political"
punkman: wut
deedbot-: [fr.anco.is] BitBet receivership third progress report - http://fr.anco.is/2016/bitbet-receivership-third-progress-report
mircea_popescu: $up davout
mircea_popescu: i let you know already! http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1449011 and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1449050 and in general, if you're taking the weekend off or not you still have to read the log. at the absolute very least your own highlights ffs.☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-04-08 21:00 mircea_popescu: davout for my curiosity, did you move the hotwallet funds or did you pass the codebase along with the hotwallet ?
a111: Logged on 2016-04-08 20:36 mircea_popescu: davout i have nfi what you did here. for one thing, shareholders don't get 86, they get 86 + 1% of resolveed bets - 13.37
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they only find out they don't agree through a before/after violation.
mircea_popescu: there really, positively, finally and definitively does NOT exist any sort of "time"
mircea_popescu: not anymore than there exists "fuckability"
mircea_popescu: jurov> eh, get away. all empires had to observe the same astronomical events << the concept of "event" is fundamentally distinct from your notion of "time".
mircea_popescu: plox to also revisit the discussion re shitty computers and "number", and how the field of even numbers is "not contiguous" scl.
mircea_popescu: they're all the same thing, these.
mircea_popescu: jurov> everything we observe and talk about is then "political" << and so it is. re the public/private distinction made by the republic. it further follows that anything public in a space poisoned by the socialist ideology will be political. you know, from polithea, shitpit.
mircea_popescu: which is why http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448711☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-04-08 15:36 mircea_popescu: here's how spears work : they have a business end and a handle. the handle - always points toward you. the business end - always points to the enemy.
mircea_popescu: jurov> so you mean "political" == "imposed by biological human condition"... << no. there is nothing biological or human about political space. it is antibiological and inhuman.
mircea_popescu: which is what they generally mean by "civilised". antibiological and inhuman.
mircea_popescu: and in perhaps-interesting news, https://github.com/oftn/TPFS
mircea_popescu: apparently there's something calling tiself "ΩF:∅" doing something or the other
mircea_popescu: and in which line, wtf is "racket" omfg.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the openssl link is gold, mega-recommended
asciilifeform: pretty much everything i ever said re the turd, is demonstrated true.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you recall pretty much you ever said about the turd, i never contested.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you're thinking of the prog lang by same name, it is trendoid rubbish
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: https://racket-lang.org/ << check it out cocacolambda!
mircea_popescu: or was that pepsi
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: scheme with haskellisms bolted on
asciilifeform: 'crazy shitstick'
asciilifeform: (never mind that you can do this in 100 or so lines of ordinary scheme - no, the wankers gotta have the square brackets, 'laziness', other nonsense, PERMA-welded on)
mircea_popescu: basically i suspect we accidentally collided (via eulora, no less!) with a group of well meaning fellows that are argentinia-level managed and perhaps there's a joining available. we see.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, asciilifeform anything re little scheme ?
asciilifeform: waiwut
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-12#1450421☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-04-12 13:19 mircea_popescu: incidentally : anyone on friendly terms with cs depts at unis / cs profs, plox get in touch, i have a little scheme i could use your halp with. ty!
asciilifeform: ah
mircea_popescu: you know... LITTLE SCHEME :D
asciilifeform: is there something other than the logz where it lives ?
asciilifeform: that i can link to?
asciilifeform: then i can write to some folks.
mircea_popescu: i would think logs best. do you think they're defective in some way ?
asciilifeform: yeah.
mircea_popescu: happy to remedy, describe defects plox.
asciilifeform: not the logz, that is
asciilifeform: the oldsters
mircea_popescu: oh.
mircea_popescu: well... advise and if doable we do.
asciilifeform: perhaps write up idea in a ps0t
mircea_popescu: did you ever see write-up of similar that seemed good to you ?
asciilifeform: (not a single old-timer i ever linked to the logz, ever came...)
mircea_popescu: (ie, prev art ?)
asciilifeform: gossipd article was pretty much complete
asciilifeform: esp. if you count the commentz
asciilifeform: i'd take that as a gold standard.
mircea_popescu: lol prev art for req';d trilema article to be found... on trilema. my heads ;/
mircea_popescu: anyway ok, brb hacking something together we see.
deedbot-: [Qntra] Ethereum Foundation Outsources Forum To Censorship Experiment - http://qntra.net/2016/04/ethereum-foundation-outsources-forum-to-censorship-experiment/
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Thank you again.
shinohai: thx as well BingoBoingo I never miss an opportunity to lol at ETH
asciilifeform: dip 2.51 % is 'freefall' ??
shinohai: "in last 24 hours alone"
mats: use a more impressive number
mircea_popescu: hey, last time euro dropped 1% in a day, you couldn't get out of the fucking "o noes europe is teh end" usg agitprop
mircea_popescu: china, similar.
mats: 30% drop over two weeks!1
mircea_popescu: or that.
asciilifeform is still thinking about mircea_popescu's revelation re whore pricing
asciilifeform: it echoes the price mechanics of, e.g., industrial equipment
asciilifeform: and other items i'm more familiar with
asciilifeform: e.g., same instrument but 'to corporate account' grows 2-3 new leading zeroes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2016/the-eulora-millenium-of-code-challenge/ any good ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there are more confounding factors for whores. take simple example : you're paid to eat, but have to eat the food the sponsor pays for. what if you think tgi tuesdays is meh ?
asciilifeform reads mircea_popescu's thing
mircea_popescu: whore is a lot more selective, similarly, and demanding, similarly.
asciilifeform: what's a tgi
mircea_popescu: ;;ud tgi tuesdays
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=t.g.i.f.+tuesday | ... Spanish · Swedish · Thai · Turkish · Ukrainian · Vietnamese · Help translate! ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯. There aren't any definitions for t.g.i.f. tuesday yet. Can you define it?
mircea_popescu: hm
mircea_popescu: shitty chain of fast food pretending to be a restaurant
mircea_popescu: "ever wanted to eat couch airplane food on land ? HERE IT IS"
mircea_popescu: coach*
asciilifeform: urgh
phf: "eww, mcdonalds, lets go to tgis instead"
asciilifeform: and yes, whore is paid to fuck folks she would not otherwise consider
mircea_popescu: aha. I REALLY MISS BAD CATERED LUNCHES FROM WORK
asciilifeform: just as i, employed as another type of whore, have to do things i otherwise would not even want to know ~exist~
asciilifeform: much less do them on free will
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but this also makes you more likely to put in the work to tmsr.
mircea_popescu: which is why whore (the real kind, that actually works - as opposed to what the female group wail purports) is in all times and places the young leader's best and most trustworthy ally.
mircea_popescu: also very cheap gauge. no need to risk your head - if the working girls don't worship you, best stay in school.
phf: in before jesus
asciilifeform: what is the alleged/'wail' type of whore ?
asciilifeform: (vs 'real')
mircea_popescu: (now guess why puritans like to pretend like the brothel is damnation, notwithstanding it is intricately linked to all stories of individual success - take paris for your instance.
mircea_popescu: and yes, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-10#1449778☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-04-10 15:58 mircea_popescu: it's these specific lobotomies that allow "certain kinds" of societies to function.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform when i was a kid in middle school, there was this red headed 14 yo that "everyone knew" was A TOTAL WHORE.
mircea_popescu: because the girls said so.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck asked a bunch of retarded 14 yo females anything ?
mircea_popescu: there's this group behaviour, the female wail. go into a group and shoot one in the head. see what happens.
asciilifeform: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-apple-fbi-encryption-debate-20160412-story.html << unrelated but lulzy
mircea_popescu: it ensured their survival throughout otherwise very unfriendly history, and it is and likely will remain the central pillar of female socialisation and social behaviour. they wail.
mircea_popescu: not like reddit invented "brigading".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not mega-seekrit, if i turn on a radio or tv set, 9 in 10 chance i hear precisely this wail.
trinque: ^ hopefully he'll survive a netsplit now
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, it gets tiresome.
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your article is not very helpful to folks who neither know what is eulora nor can be arsed.
deedbot-: [Trilema] The Eulora Millenium of Code Challenge - http://trilema.com/2016/the-eulora-millenium-of-code-challenge/
mircea_popescu: notes notwithstanding ?
asciilifeform: hm possibly notes help.
mircea_popescu: i was going for this entire "keep it short and notify"
mircea_popescu: to get under the "hey this is too long for me to read - i'm in academia damnit"
asciilifeform: imho the megalith-of-logz-with-notes only works when 'preaching to choir'
mircea_popescu: well why i put the log in notes.
mircea_popescu: you saying it should be a later note ?
asciilifeform: imho whole thing should fit on one a4.
asciilifeform: in 14pt face.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how to do this ;/
asciilifeform: then i could shove it under some office doorz.
asciilifeform: 2sided ok.
mircea_popescu: it is currently 11667 characters, which means like 20 pages
diana_coman: fwiw I think asciilifeform has a point there
mircea_popescu: well on one hand shoving it under door seems a miserable plan to me. if you can't say to some guy "hey, look into this!" prolly best not molest 'em
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, i have nfi how to make it shorter. i guess the irc transcript could be made to go away ?
mircea_popescu: seems a serious loss, as the convo is very tense in the original, and i doubt anyone but they involved even has the priors to grok wtf is being said.
asciilifeform: terse ?
mircea_popescu: tense.
mircea_popescu: thinking of text in "ai" terms, the more complex the graph / strlen, the tenser.
diana_coman: I think what is difficult to grok at all there is what exactly (even in broad terms) is the offering - what is this millenium of code challenge at core
asciilifeform: yeah that part also confused me
mircea_popescu: at the core it is - you get the chance to offload most of your actual work on a private company.
mircea_popescu: which is, as far as history informs, what all bureaucrats ever really wanted.
asciilifeform: is this meant to entice kidz to hack on eulora ?
asciilifeform: or what
asciilifeform: or for profs to assign it as hw instead of etherium ?
BingoBoingo: AHA! mircea_popescu has a side effect of supporting the entrenchment of English through Eulora!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo sad but true.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform none of that. teacher has to make up a fucking teaching plan, and establish curricula and scoring criteria and whatnot. THIS IS WORK
asciilifeform: then it is even more of a puzzler
mircea_popescu: can just meld it off eulora, get more class participation while watching more dr who or w/e tyhe fuck it is they do./
asciilifeform: how does eulora relate to this ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well the tools aren't there to replace it yet.
mircea_popescu: win-win as they say.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you gotta give kids soemthign to do, right ?
asciilifeform: yeah but in no remaining american school is that something c++.
mircea_popescu: so ?
asciilifeform: or likely ever again to be.
mircea_popescu: they can make their own node.js client, who cares what tech they use.
asciilifeform: ah hm.
mircea_popescu: they can make a smaller part ; or a method to do x. for that matter hooks are exposed and more or less documented.
mircea_popescu: they can make a perl bot to bid in irc auctions ffs. anything they want, they can make.
mircea_popescu: jurov more or less bolted scheme on the thing from what i hear. some other guy whose programming experience consists of flash reskinned the client in a coupla days.
asciilifeform realized that the idea ~very much is~ euloratronic, intrinsically, and as such asciilifeform is not the man to properly push it to skeptics face to face, not being a eulorist
mircea_popescu shrugs.
asciilifeform: i mean, if i had to explain how the thing is fun & enlightening etc i could not do a proper job, sadly.
mircea_popescu: in this sense no one could ever do anything. heck, i can't explain why roses are fun and enlightening either.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, my not-yet-fully-formed idea was that it offers a. meaning hence interest from students b. active and responsive channel hence support c. wider experience (aka mystical "industry skillz" we need more of) d. (or overall) actually getting them into a wot that yeah, supports learning and not only tech either
mircea_popescu: it seems rather obvious that a bunch of undergrads would prefer to hack on a game over any and all other possible tasks they could get. not sure this point needs further argument, but if it does, prolly the blockhead in question not fit for white collar work anyway.
asciilifeform: i readily believe this. but never having ~personally~ played, am not adequately qualified to make the case.
mircea_popescu: aite.
asciilifeform: also i suspect that the current crop of undergrads will barf - 'omfg1111, 1990s graphics!11'
asciilifeform: but this is conjecture.
diana_coman: and it kind of got onto me because of all this current academia apparent strive towards "using OS as a way to get students develop wider skills and be more ready for industry" stuff; see open academy etc
asciilifeform: diana_coman: at what school, i wonder, is any of that ~actually~ happening
diana_coman: I don't mean we should now explain how it is more interesting, more a statement of concrete points
diana_coman: hmmm, borenstein is with stanford I think?
asciilifeform: whos'that
diana_coman: basically there is Open Academy that apparently works to some extent - by that I mean it gets some students to do something useful over a few months with mentors from respective OS projects
diana_coman: and after an initial hackaton thingee
mircea_popescu: mime guy neh ?
diana_coman: jay borenstein, he's the initiator of Open Academy as far as I know (I don't know him personally)
mircea_popescu: ah
diana_coman: I'm still internally filtering a list of people I think might be most interested
mircea_popescu: but back to more prosaic concerns, hey mod6 ben_vulpes what's gonna be in this month's foundation report ?
trinque: o,0
trinque: phf: what'd you end up changing in that ping/pong code?
phf: trinque: basically state is *last-pong* and *connection-state*
phf: in irc-pong-message hook i do (setq *last-pong* (max ping-time (or *last-pong* 0)))
phf: and there's a state machine in a thread http://paste.lisp.org/display/313413
phf: it measures time since *last-pong* on each tick, and if more then some time passed it sends out ping with current time and goes into waiting-ping state
phf: then if it gets a pong everything's ok, or it goes into a disconnect
deedbot-: [Qntra] As US Farmers Suffer As Corn Imports To US Increase - http://qntra.net/2016/04/as-us-farmers-suffer-as-corn-imports-to-us-increase/
BingoBoingo: ^ From the not a typo department
phf: trinque: actual state machine is a bit more elaborate, but atm incomplete. i'm writing it so that bot is entirely driven by the state machine, but right now only connected, ping/pong and disconnect parts are thought through
phf: trinque: that's the entire bot mgmt code http://paste.lisp.org/display/313414
phf brb
trinque: phf: neat, thanks
mircea_popescu: collection of lispbots, so fucking unreal.
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 407132 | Current Difficulty: 1.668515132827772E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 407231 | Next Difficulty In: 99 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 15 hours, 8 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 424.61, vol: 4721.17387867 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 420.8, vol: 6141.27288 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 425.61, vol: 7977.27926267 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 422.0, vol: 1.83004593 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 425.27361, vol: 25313.06360000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 424.97, vol: 1316.95243258 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 425.282419, vol: 29.7085162 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 424.651017192
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1451248 << i've been wondering same.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-04-13 17:09 mircea_popescu: but back to more prosaic concerns, hey mod6 ben_vulpes what's gonna be in this month's foundation report ?
asciilifeform: much as i would like to see that cart move when i'm not actively pushing on it, thus far this has not been the case.
asciilifeform: (though phf recently did some interesting experimentation with shiva, iirc)
phf: i'm useful
asciilifeform: there is a stupendous amount of work to be done, but unfortunately i personally do not have the free arms and legs to do it, currently
asciilifeform: (e.g., openssl must die; wallet must be cut loose and made to function sanely)
phf: but my shiva experiments were interrupted by log writing
asciilifeform: phf made a very spiffy logtron
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1451077 <<< i have, hence the updated report i'm requesting comments on☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-04-13 14:23 mircea_popescu: i let you know already! http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1449011 and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1449050 and in general, if you're taking the weekend off or not you still have to read the log. at the absolute very least your own highlights ffs.
davout: and re the hot wallet, kakobrekla sent it to me, and it was added to the 'currently under my control' part of the cash
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/4emnne/til_corn_is_an_altcoin/
trinque: $up deedbot-
deedbot: deedbot- voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai: https://np.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/4emgbv/psa_there_is_nothing_inherently_respectable_about/
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Pls no np links to reddit. Strip out the no so if people wanna manipulate voats with bots or socks they can without getting them banned.
shinohai: yeah only noticed the np after i had ctrl+v'd
shinohai likes downvote bots when he's drinking ....
BingoBoingo: these things happen
shinohai: https://s.graphiq.com/sites/default/files/984/media/images/t2/Mythe_Absinthe_Traditional_412042_i0.jpg <<< just got a bottle of this for bday
BingoBoingo kind of jealous
BingoBoingo remind self to not plan a relapse
shinohai: I have been toning down myself of late, but do enjoy binges on special occasions. And free booze is free booze.
punkman: who drinks absinthe anyway
BingoBoingo had a couple binges
BingoBoingo: on the stuff
shinohai: I do, I rather enjoy it. Got a whole set of spoons, glasses, and all.
shinohai hasn't yet gotten so inebriated he chopped off an ear tho
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deedbot-: [Qntra] Putin Providing Material Support To Trump-Clinton Candidacy - http://qntra.net/2016/04/putin-providing-material-support-to-trump-clinton-candidacy/
BingoBoingo: Huh, losing the BitBet auction seems to have hit pete pretty hard.