assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11955 @ 0.00082389 = 9.8496 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: or even say, if Bitstamp is no longer trading 500btc per day, then this bet resolves as No
BingoBoingo: Most good Bitbets have at least 5 or 50 secret subbets tucked into them though
BingoBoingo: I.e. "Who could anticipate that S.Dice would cease to be a tradable thing"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC
BingoBoingo: Put 1 Twenty dollar Bitcoins down, recieve 5.86932711 hundred dollar Bitcoins
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 1.83967000 BTC to 320`500 shares, 574 satoshi per share
BingoBoingo: And then I got drunk and spent most of them on Buttcoins
bitcoinpete: As much as I'd love to keep earning brownie points by chatting instead of just reading the logs like I do the scrolls, it's time to go for tonight. Cheers y'all
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0696849 = 1.3937 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00082659 = 12.8121 BTC [+]
dub: project aaaaaaye bro, get on it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0899879 = 0.27 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04243323 = 0.1273 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0880001 = 0.176 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00447 = 0.447 BTC [+]
BigBlox: hey guys can anyone help me resolve a bet?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.06700049 = 0.603 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: if you are talking about bitbet, mods resolve bets, not some random strangers
BigBlox: hi, yes mods, they sent me here
BigBlox: are there any bitbets mods here?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 400 @ 0.00082707 = 0.3308 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: perhaps, or maybe someone else will be able to help
BigBlox: k, well basically i entered the altcoin bet, that was to overtake litecoin, i said yes, i emailed and was told it was a scam, i said i didnt agree, specifically said i didnt want to cancel my bet, and it was still cancelled
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00574998 = 0.1092 BTC [+] {3}
kakobrekla: which bet is that can you give a link pointing to a bet in the list of accepted bets
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 347 @ 0.00446999 = 1.5511 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: how was it canceled, its is resolved as yes
Duffer1: perhaps you tried to send btc after the result was known but bet wasn't closed yet
BigBlox: i doubt it, it was still open a few days after i sent it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00447 = 0.2459 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: time closing != time when result is known
BigBlox: heres the date: 03-03-14 05:55
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 96 @ 0.00574997 = 0.552 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: what was your bet? link to it
BigBlox: mine is the last one, on the 3rd for .08
BingoBoingo: BigBlox: Yeah, you bet after things were know it seems, but before they had yet to be resolved. Tis a dangerous time to bet
BigBlox: i sent it before aurora beat litecoin, then i wrote to ask if they were resolving it
BigBlox: i actually didnt know if it was going to but i believed in aurora from the get go so i was pretty sure :)
BigBlox: i mean i'm glad i got my refund, not trying to be a drama queen, but i was surprised i didnt win since i was the one asking, since the 3rd
kakobrekla: then provide the necessary evidence that aurora indeed aurora had not yet crossed litecoin mkt cap at 03-03-14 05:55 (it doesnt matter when you send it, it matters when you are confirmed)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0055 = 1.1 BTC
BigBlox: i took a screen shot to show my friend :)
ozbot: SEC vs. pirateat40 1
ozbot: SEC vs. pirateat40 2
ThickAsThieves: "The Fed is using curent exchange rates (3/3/14) to say investors were defrauded of $149 million"
BigBlox: oh before, i have shots of the time after it passed, how can i get that?
BigBlox: i mean the bet showed up on the ledger, then the next day on the 4th i emailed, does that count or can i show you an email with the time and date?
kakobrekla: ok so what does an email help to prove exactly?
BingoBoingo: I believe that point had been mentioned here before...
BigBlox: the site says the bets are resolved hours after, if i bet on the 3rd and it was resolved today, then isnt that automatically legit?
BigBlox: BitBet Mod 03-03-14 at 07:38 It has to be a coin, not a scam. Aurora is a scam, not a coin.
BingoBoingo: Need to read moar to see if Gibson is beneficiary
Duffer1: big one and number two.. anyone taking bets one of those was goat?
BigBlox: what can i provide? my bet went live on the ledger on the 3rd? you guys kept the bet live until today, not sure how that isn't enough
Duffer1: prove you bet before the outcome was known, regardless of when bet closed
mike_c: in that i am feeling generous tonight, and i think he's right:
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Pirateat40 does indeed have an outstanding criminal complaint, but that is related to domestic violence
kakobrekla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu get the whip out.
kakobrekla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu put the whip back in.
BigBlox: other than that i'm not sure what i can give you :/
mike_c: the line is at the wrong time.
Duffer1: Thickasthieves thanks for that, pretty amazing stuff
Duffer1: the buttcoin article i mea
BigBlox: i bet before aurora hit 300
kakobrekla: BigBitz as useful as a default windows xp background
Duffer1: so Shavers is proceeding without representation?
mike_c: i had the wrong time. it actually looks like you were late
ozbot: The first line of defence is taken
dexX7: yup, blockr is correct
mike_c: but if you want to try and prove, use those charts on coinmarketcap. from what i can tell, when your bet was registered, aurora was at around 4.5
BigBlox: how about my btc transaction, doesnt that show the time i sent the bet?
mike_c: well, sent doesn't matter, confirmed matters.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3500 @ 0.0001865 = 0.6528 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00447 = 0.2235 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.0001865 = 0.373 BTC [-]
BigBlox: ok, thanx anyways, all good, it probably registered late :)
BigBlox: thanx kakobrekla and mike_c in the place to be!
mike_c: you're welcome! pleasing customers since 2014
kakobrekla: and remember kids, customers are always wrong.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 192 @ 0.00574999 = 1.104 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 310 @ 0.00446999 = 1.3857 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 159 @ 0.00574999 = 0.9142 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: "and when did you first give your forum password to Copumpkin?"
peterl: who's giving out passwords?
Duffer1: it's the shavers testimony
punkman: such deposition, no lawyer, wow
ozbot: [ANN] KRAKEN.COM - Exchange Now Open with USD, EUR, BTC, LTC, XRP, NMC, XDG
kakobrekla: thats what you get when retarded webdevs make exchanges, for the seventy fifth time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3925 @ 0.00082388 = 3.2337 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: "No, it is just a certification company where you have to take the tests to become certified"
ThickAsThieves: "I really wouldn't consider it an exchange. It was really more of a bucket shop" (bitcoinica)
copumpkin: ThickAsThieves: hah, where's that?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 54 @ 0.00589997 = 0.3186 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Prolly best to leave the strings out and fill the Trojan with Spartans
copumpkin: smickles: dude, he says you were in vegas when you weren't
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1679 @ 0.00082313 = 1.382 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58153001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.00567 = 0.1871 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00563118 = 0.1408 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: We might have to rent a Llama for all of the drama
jadne looks at BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo is tired of Scribd, digs out the old PACER login
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0865 = 0.519 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: wow they go thru every single pirate account holder one at a time...
copumpkin: see, that does not ring a bell with me at all
copumpkin: but I don't give my passwords out and would be weirded out by someone else giving me their
benkay: where does the good stuff start, ThickAsThieves?
benkay: "Bitstamp, you're now the replacement to MtGox. Don't screw this up."
benkay: mystical bitcoins, guys
BingoBoingo: I just can't believe Number 2, is this fucking Austin Powers?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07000001 = 0.7 BTC [+] {3}
Duffer1: does he give any indication of who big one and number2 are?
ThickAsThieves: an interesting thing that seems to be happening is he expresses full intention to make everyone whole, something he feels he could achieve, but SEC froze his accounts
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00082427 = 11.6634 BTC [+] {2}
copumpkin: you can't just pull money out of thin air
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.06710001 = 1.8788 BTC [-] {8}
Duffer1: if he stopped accepting deposits and wasn't holding fiat at all.. and got lucky on justdice..
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06695715 = 0.4687 BTC [-] {2}
Apocalyptic: <ThickAsThieves> in a sense i wonder if he would have // I'm pretty sure he wouldn't
ThickAsThieves: "Q: So a year after BST collapsed, you sent 202000 bitcoin to somebody who walked with it?"
copumpkin: kind of annoyed that he keeps saying I have his password, although it doesn't seem harmful
BingoBoingo: Well, Moustakiswas the one to Bring up Gibson's last name, and the cubby white kid known as Goat is only refered to as Chaang Noi as far as I have made it so far.
benkay: "If you can adjust the price of bitcoin on your own through some market manipulation after you get them back from Big One, what do Big One's promises about what the price of bitcoin is on Mt. Gox matter?"
copumpkin: lol, pirate doesn't believe for a minute that goat's real name is chaang noi
benkay: "He's returning you bitcoin. He's not returning us dollars."
BingoBoingo: No one believe's Goat's name is Chaang Noi, but he proceeds as certain as does only remembering James of James Gibson
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00446999 = 0.1162 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: they start antagonizing him over why he didn't perform days worth of computing analysis on the blockchain to provide more useful data
artifexd: "I lent 202000 bitcoins to Mr. Big Man and never got them back" <- LOL
BingoBoingo: I should have got a bigger bottle of Vodka for tonight.
ThickAsThieves: it's almost believable this wasn't technically a ponzi
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: He was clever enough to get three quarters of a million BTC under his control. It would make sense that he could try to frame things such that he admits to being a turd, but not that ponzi wop kind of turd
BingoBoingo: Thermos because when you fuck up that much, you don't get the privilege of presenting yourself as an exemplar of Classic Greek values like sodomy
ThickAsThieves: "I tell you what. I'll give you a very detailed explanation of how the Tor Network works and how Tor mail works, and you can understand what I mean ... It's designed to not be trackable, not be traceable by any form of government."
BingoBoingo: Page 45 clarifies that Patrick Harnett did indeed have pirate exposure (page meaning sheet and not the quarterleaf the transcriptionist for some god awful reason assented to)
copumpkin: BingoBoingo: full account info is online, btw
copumpkin: so yes we know that patrick had a large account :P
benkay: where is full account info?
BingoBoingo: copumpkin: I know, but the scenario submitted some hours ago where asciilifeform clears the entire court docket because of poor signatures isn't a think we might as well read what is entering the court records as they presently exist
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Far from enough to finish these filings
BingoBoingo: The modified anthem is an engineering problem
BingoBoingo: Fucking Penrose wasting years 2-3 of my undergrad
BingoBoingo: Fine, I'll pause Land of Lisp and get to it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58152002 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: But does Stephenson have beautiful prose like "It is still unresolved in an 'absolute' sense. Kurt Godel and Paul Cohen were able to show that the continuum hypothesis (and also the axiom of choice) is not decidable by the means of standard set theory." Chapter 16 page 5
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.575875 = 2.3035 BTC [-] {4}
benkay: Anathem over Gravity's Rainbow?
BingoBoingo wishes he learned to beat machines into doing math instead of learning to do math personally
artifexd: Huh. I enjoyed Reamde. Especially the discussions of in-game economics.
ThickAsThieves: been wondering why the fuck everyone loved the guy so much
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I actually have a copy of Mathematica from this Dubious "Edx" thing. Apparently it is some sort of mook for pushing software?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00574997 = 0.23 BTC [+]
Duffer1: I did that with Perdido Street Station
benkay: asciilifeform have you ever read Banks Algebraist?
benkay: (Iain M. Banks, The Algebraist)
BingoBoingo: Oh, page 58, doc one, some gigaVPS preferential treatment
BingoBoingo: If anyone else wants to read RTR I recommend starting with Chapter 29 and then moving to chapter one
BingoBoingo: Oh, I prolly should not mention in plaintext what just fell out from between some pages.
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: Great math book with some maybe wrong physics editorializing
Duffer1: looks interesting, I have added it to my list
BingoBoingo: I seriously forgot I even had this x that fell out, and kind of forgot what the x was...
ThickAsThieves: "realizing net proceeds of $164,758 from his net sales of 86,202 bitcoins"
Duffer1: ya the "walked away with 202000" made me cringe
ThickAsThieves: "And, so long as Shavers has an internet connection, he will be in a position where future violations could be anticipated"
moiety: ThickAsThieves: you here?
benkay: it's just this crazy mess of overlapping concerns
benkay: of course it blew up on him
benkay: he probably got taken to the cleaners by several different people several different ways
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.02199999 = 0.154 BTC [+] {3}
moiety: whats ThickAsThieves's altcoin site again? bout to send folk there
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Something lighter, more fungible. Book's to good to pull quotes from to use it for that even though the bulk and cover quality are more than adequate.
BingoBoingo: moiety: I'm almost offended you have a chat site for Doge (historical translations for that term are unpleasant) but not Altcoin
moiety: um what would you have said if i wanted to set that up?
benkay: BingoBoingo: you're too close! pull up! pull up!
moiety: just linked to it ThickAsThieves ... people were discussing what alt to get into, told them that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 275 @ 0.00089499 = 0.2461 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 70 @ 0.0055 = 0.385 BTC
BingoBoingo: moiety: I would have said yes, seems like a decent investment for a joke coin. Especially if the gambling bots could be revived.
moiety: lol i was about to say i hadnt heard of that one!
moiety: aye but we're just bleeding doge, its not a money maker
moiety: was just what was left over from loq
moiety: kinda went doge because thats what we'd already been asked for ... more than getting btc back
moiety: would you have even wanted invoolved in a chat?!
moiety: i thought you thought i should give up altogether on it
moiety: no i did worry about telling you actually lol
moiety: you havent disowned me though :)
benkay: where is your coinchat located, moiety?
BingoBoingo: moiety: THe chatsite thing really it seems can't work as other than a chumpatron
moiety: people are being bizarre about my photo already, im taking it off
Apocalyptic: why does that remind me of coinchat by TF ?
moiety: because its his code but heavily tweaked
moiety: i think i was the only one that couldnt say no
moiety: although it's doge, this one is going a lot better BingoBoingo .. it's like the start of cc again
moiety: not a thing, he wanted to get rid of it benkay
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1009 @ 0.0044 = 4.4396 BTC [-] {2}
moiety: and people didnt want it to close
moiety has mug on her forehead
BingoBoingo: According to the narrative I understand moiety was merely a bigger chump than the rest
benkay: typing while balancing
benkay: hie thee to the circus!
moiety: bingo, ive probably been the biggest after all the backlash when i was just trying to help
BingoBoingo: moiety: Well, the price was free for a reason
moiety: i did say no the first three or so times
moiety: i do like the people (mostly) and i feel bad just disappearing, you know?
benkay: *obligatory wolf joke reference*
benkay: "You have zero record of lending 202000 bitcoins to The Big One the second week of July, 2012; is that right?"
benkay: "I'm going to find it."
BingoBoingo: Two wolf corner a sheep to poll what is for dinner, the sheep has a Nagant
benkay: i was thinking about the dick sucking, but let's not suffer nubbins` rendition of that, please.
BingoBoingo: The Kalishkinov been trendy for decades, but partisans have been using the Mossin Nagant for more than a century nao
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Involvement of their products really is a prerequisite for a proper world war
benkay: subject of, how's the promontory, BingoBoingo?
benkay: it's pretty funny how shavers keeps saying 'i see where you
BingoBoingo: benkay: Uniformed forces are still far away it seems
benkay: re going with this' just a sentence or two late
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 397 @ 0.00089499 = 0.3553 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 48 @ 0.00366086 = 0.1757 BTC [-]
moiety: we could make chess from those
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16605 @ 0.00082382 = 13.6795 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.085 = 0.17 BTC [-]
benkay: is Vandroidy still around?
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
gribble: (gpg info [--key|--address] <nick>) -- Returns the registration details of registered user <nick>. If '--key' option is given, interpret <nick> as a GPG key ID.
gribble: I have not seen Vandroidy.
benkay: 5kbtc bet against the BCST scam and not in IRC?
joecool: man i wish the US would hire me to troll on IRC, just a few mil, i'd be down
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.00082382 = 25.456 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.08433333 = 0.253 BTC [-] {2}
joecool: probably costs them more though, they have them high speed printers for freedom money
BingoBoingo: joecool: How many links in the chain of eurocrats will protest though
moiety: BingoBoingo: didn't realise you came by til now
BingoBoingo: moiety: Had to close the tab. Dogers were trying to talk to me.
moiety: lol i am sorry ... i can't shut them up (good for me though)
moiety: see i still have stuff to do as well
moiety: what did you think apart from the dogers?
moiety: i'm struggling with killing the cat, can't lie
BingoBoingo: I've heard feedback on that cat. "Doge site with a fucking cat?"
joecool: moiety: got a chinese restaurant near you?
BingoBoingo: moiety: You are familiar with wet dog smell right?
moiety: BingoBoingo: when we go to change it (we have doge drawings now); people complain as well. i think i'll get them to vote on it. and ew yes wet dog smell. fortunately, it doesn't rain much on the interwebz
BingoBoingo: moiety: What smells like wet dogs? also get some clips on joecool
BingoBoingo: moiety: Maybe the politically incorrect thing doesn't translate well across the ocean
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: Wet dog
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 25 @ 0.02220042 = 0.555 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: lol sorry i have honestly never heard that before BingoBoingo !
benkay: moiety they'll never appreciate any work you do for free
BingoBoingo: Seriouly, white people smell like wet dogs
moiety: benkay: couple wee shits that were throwing tantrums at the old site are getting told to get to fuck from the new one :)
joecool: BingoBoingo: where you from?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58999999 BTC [+]
benkay: rub it all over y'self ;)
BingoBoingo: joecool: A place, Do you want coordinates in traditional 3+1 dimensional space or 2+2 twistor space?
moiety: head to toe afterr every shower benkay! i'll be a mango soon!
benkay: great mangos in argentina, apropos only of mangos
BingoBoingo: moiety: Doesn't it frost in fogland where you are from? If you go outside you will die!
benkay: great mangos there, too ^^
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+]
moiety: i think that last bait is the best one yet
benkay: my mangos seem to have manufactured some meat for me so i'm going to man off meow
moiety: BingoBoingo: this is why im a housecat
moiety: practically freeze to death indoors
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.58999999 = 1.77 BTC [-]
moiety: asciilifeform: that's the best cat ever! is it real?!
moiety: that man looks so pleased to see it!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1352 @ 0.00018798 = 0.2541 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: the guys with the german sherpherds look a bit deflated next to the cat
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62979 @ 0.00082309 = 51.8374 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.58999999 = 3.54 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18288 @ 0.00082212 = 15.0349 BTC [-]
moiety: they are so pretty asciilifeform wiki tries to tell us they are small pffft
moiety: is the imgur one just a huge one?
moiety: no.. no photoshop. *denial*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38545 @ 0.0008244 = 31.7765 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: asciilifeform: lol the music makes that video. i like how the cat tried to take on the blanket
BingoBoingo: That feral looks a lot my a friend's ex's cat, "Gracie" the beast was called
ozbot: Manul – the Cat that Time Forgot ~ The Ark In Space
moiety: gracie is a lovely name
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.00405 = 0.2147 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 297 @ 0.00500236 = 1.4857 BTC [-] {4}
moiety: i am officially in love. those cats are amazing, they havent changed!
moiety: seriously, this thing just gets better: "When it is threatened it raises and quivers the upper lip, Elvis like, revealing a large canine tooth."
Duffer1: vegas conference attendees as far as i saw /didn't read the whole thing though
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00553604 = 0.238 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04279995 = 0.1284 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: some preferential treatment disclosed.
ozbot: BitBet - James Gibson aka gigavps to be named as Pirate ponzi scheme fraudulent beneficiary
benkay: hey mircea_popescu is Vandroidy still around?
BingoBoingo: Just think, time machine and you could have killed BTCST in November 2011
mircea_popescu: what do you want from me, i only showed up that summer
mircea_popescu: takes someone A FEW MONTHS to catch up and spread the roots you know ?
mircea_popescu: kinda how i ended up with "6 months". if it took me ~3...
mircea_popescu: anyway, BingoBoingo : if i HAD done that, for all the laurels and glory (which no noobs can be bothered to even know about, so... it doesn't help THEM) the "community" of fucktards would have actually fallen for a much bigger ponzi much later,
mircea_popescu: that i'd have been equally powerless to do anything about
BingoBoingo: Eh, much later ponzi might have taught more
mircea_popescu: because the scammer would have said "this time it's different", and the way the primate brain works that'd have been enough.
mircea_popescu: so... ironically it'd have been a lot worse for everyone.
BingoBoingo: These are the reasons I drink to consult my lizard brain
benkay: oh, there won't be any more ponzi's in bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: benkay yes, there will be. just copumpkin won't be whitenighting them.
mircea_popescu: which obviously i mean in a general manner. well meaning but naive geeks will know to defer that time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39711 @ 0.00082727 = 32.8517 BTC [+]
benkay: if not last season's socks, a new seasons. what's the actual difference?
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is non inflationary. this makes early things dwarf late things in importance.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.11300001 = 0.226 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: anyway, funny how this guy's brain works. so he gets summoned, and he responds. *then* he feigns to ignore further proceedings.
mircea_popescu: which, as you pointed out, is real fucking smart. and now he actually responds.
Duffer1: that and going it without representation
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.11300001 = 0.226 BTC [-]
benkay: mircea_popescu would have you believe representation is for the weak of mind, Duffer1
Duffer1: and admitting to not reading the subpeona where it asks him to retain certain information..
mircea_popescu: o o nm i read it backwards. yes, it is. and yes, he is. so...
mircea_popescu: ahahahaah o jesus god, "do you know reeses_ name ?" "art. a-r-t" "and last name ?" "i have no idea"
mircea_popescu: "and do you watch seinfeld ?" "yes i do!" "do you understand anything ?" "well as much as anyone on the forum ever understands of what's going on before their eyes
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It took the SEC dude to throw out Giga's last name
mircea_popescu: hay folks my name is james llc, for srs. let's do some business which then i'll pretend is covered by the company named after me.
benkay: didja get to "business cognition"?
mircea_popescu: because that is totally how limited liability works, you hafta not disclose it and misrepresent it to be shielded.
mircea_popescu: benkay i'm not reading that shit, just got some parts sent over
benkay: it's what he owes his father or uncle some money for
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mircea_popescu: you know it makes you wonder aboput the united states.
mircea_popescu: in that you know, twentysomethings end up in troubkel all over the world, by virtue of being kids
mircea_popescu: but they customarily hide their stupidity from family and esp senior male relatives
mircea_popescu: in the us tho, it's backwards, they do it as a joint venture. so are there no males in that country over the mental age of ~17 or what the fuck ?
mircea_popescu: i mean i used to think it's only the case for poor black people, lil wayne and whatnot. then i thought it's only the case for poor people generally. now i'm starting to think its simply what the murican male is. the us culture, if you will.
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BingoBoingo: Of the two parts of the Pirate at 40 shit, part one is definitely the lulzier one
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo or whoever feels like it : why not make a curated version on yer blogs ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It is too old for me to provide solid context.
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mircea_popescu: (the hidden benefit here is this : through curating it you expose your unknowledge to scrutiny, ie, if you cut out something that turns out to have been important you get to learn it was, and so fix your head)
benkay: i've published some bits.
BingoBoingo: I really haven't found unimportant bits yet.
mircea_popescu: benkay ya but it has to be exhaustive for the thing to work, otherwise the narcissist self always cops out to "Well it was just some bits". and besides, weren't you coding ?
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BingoBoingo: There's stupid from both Pirate and the SEC stooge
BingoBoingo: Eastern District of Texas is a BTC no mans land
chetty: hmm I wonder, the SEC seems to be trying to imply that BigOne and #2 were the same person, wonder if they have somethiing there? If either one actually existed of course
benkay: there's a pretty hilarious interchange where Shavers says something retarded and the stooge asks "you're getting a job at support dot com, right?"
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joecool: benkay: when i saw that i remembered noted other OTC scammer aethero works at support.com
BingoBoingo: chetty: I think SEC is trying to trap that BIg One and Number two are figments of Pirate's imagination
joecool: those two are probably BFF's
joecool: aethero sure had a lot of figments of his imagination
HeySteve: I linked to MPOE-PR's Bitcoin Foundation thread, I think it's good they get called to account
joecool: aethero still has great trust :P
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo by the way, an important point : the reason the "media" sucks is not that they've sold out or follow external policies or w/e. it's that they are writing WITH THEIR READER IN MIND. the former then flows from this naturally, but it does not make a difference if you write with the reader in mind so as to advertise to it, or save its soul or merely inform it. it's all the same, and it's wrong.
mircea_popescu: write for yourself, as your own thing. think of it as picking up women : you don't puick up women by picking up women, you pick up women by doing *any other thing*
mircea_popescu: joecool course in fairness aethero is more like noted lunatic.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well it turn out this n00b sports betting guide is turning in to a bunch of parts I need to organize for my own benefit.
BingoBoingo: A good portion of it is already in the logs
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benkay: heh i saw EV- and moved on
BingoBoingo: It's just the machine language of the lizard brain I consult for bets is rather dense.
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BingoBoingo: benkay: SOme bets can be plus EV, It is just there is a 2+ month wait between those.
benkay: i'm already long bitcoin
benkay: seems crazy enough for this decade
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BingoBoingo: Gambling as entertainment and Gambling as pseudo-investment are very different things.
BingoBoingo: As a mentioned a while ago the best reason to bet on an outcome is to make the watching it more enjoyable
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BingoBoingo: Yeah asciilifeform has been so quatable today
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Duffer1: "Whatever I talk, I do with you, for you must benefit you. Further, the funds you spend on my way to be purposefully utilized."
Duffer1: i can't even describe that post
cads: I"m reading it in alec baldwin's voice.
benkay: Most of the time people can't express their feelings. It has to be thrown out. Once it is thrown out, he/she feels light and refreshed.
benkay: This is the kind of service I'm offering here.
benkay: Consider me representing the one who troubled you, or I'm the situation that made you into trouble.
benkay: You might have to throw out all your frustrations, feelings etc.
benkay: I will get in touch with you in skype.
benkay: Scold me, spit at me, and express all of your feelings. Use all the filthy words as you can. Once you have done, your mind is filtered out with all the frustrations.
benkay: Your life will become beautiful. You get enormous energy. You will succeed in all your activities then.
benkay: Still, again someone will trouble you. Come again, take my skype session and spit at me. You will feel better.
benkay: While chatting if your feelings are very strong, I may scream for you. Don't stop, continue till the session ends.
Duffer1: it's an ipo for a pyramid scam that's also a futures bond and a cult
benkay: If you are not in a desire to spit at me, you may even let your neighbor/friend or anyone to utilize the service and spit at me.
benkay: i think this is something the forum needs to be chumpatron'd with
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 sounds just about descriptive of the moss that's in between average joe's ears.
Duffer1: i can't agree this time, this is a special kind of fail
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Namworld: Abro is love, Abro is life. All praise Abro.
Namworld: Is he ipoing the universe? He's ipoing the universe.
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moiety: wtaf is that post?! i like the mandatory note for "the service"
Duffer1: the whole thread so far is fucking brilliant
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benkay: i just realized that we have b-list feline internet celebrites
benkay: okay i get it mircea_popescu a penny from every human on earth makes for pathological everything
benkay: pennies from everyone and spears and such
mircea_popescu: i think you all've been cooped in here too long, and you're approaching some sort of mystical breakthrough of which i'm sadly left out :(
moiety: how has there been a webz cat i didn't know about :o
BingoBoingo: Eh, in about 8 hours I'm driving 200 miles for a decent lunch. Well, maybe a bit more than 8 hours from nao. Depends how long I am passed out.
BingoBoingo: moiety: Not icy atm, just driving 200 miles for 15 minutes of errand and lunch.
moiety: oh god have you seen arscoin?
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benkay: also webwallet onry i hear
moiety: but but you can buy a gold username!
moiety: is the GnuTLS bug old news too? im so slow
benkay: hey moiety have you heard about the multicoin wallet?
benkay: they herd u liek crypto and obfuscated the source so they can steal your coins while you doge
moiety: i heard they were wanting to make one but i didn't know it had come to fruition
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benkay: not to imply you yourself are a thick sucker
benkay: you're in -assets, after all.
moiety: the wallet not so much, good article. i wouldn't have touched it with someone else's anyways
moiety: ha i like the next one too
moiety: you need a subscribing list
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BingoBoingo: benkay is good at turning out the really pointed messages
moiety: he is very to-the-point, which = win
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moiety: i just heard of it today too
mircea_popescu: "Allowing drunk patrons to gamble and serving obviously intoxicated patrons are both illegal under Nevada law. Johnston's lawyer says his client's story is bolstered by surveillance video and eyewitness testimony."
mircea_popescu: this is actually a bit of a problem, people can sit down at their computer drunk as fuck and think hye, gamble my whole wallet on dice!
mircea_popescu: obviously not the dice site's problem, but also kind-of dangerous for the random idiot.
mike_c: because you've never blown money on sports while drunk ;)
mircea_popescu: tbh i think dices have a future, but as backing for other services. they're currently exposed to the general public becaus e whatever, we're in the pdp and vax days over here.
mircea_popescu: but generally speaking, the dice model is the engine that can power a lot of cool applications down the road.
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BingoBoingo: mike_c: Actually totally plaster in sports have offered much better returns than sober and axious
mike_c: it is at least more fun
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mircea_popescu: i wonder if superbowl/whatever advertising sports will eventualyl run out of money so bad they'll add new rules such as "each player must drink twelve shots of vodka before going on the field"
BingoBoingo: I've only had one huge gambling loss totally plastered.
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They might. For football it might be necessary. Actually the biggest PED among handegg players I've seen is the ganja.
cazalla: mircea_popescu: can i put that mention on my resume? seriously though, there is much to learn here for someone like me
mircea_popescu: whatever you do to your resume it can't end up worse than that exchange expert guy from a while back
BingoBoingo: Seriously, baseball's saving grace is it mixes the randomness of dice with the potential for talent
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mircea_popescu: Q: Next account, Gigavps, is this a true and accurate reflection of Gigavps' account history with Bitcoin Savings & Trust from on or about April 3rd, 2012 through on or about August 22, 2012 ?
mircea_popescu: Q: Meaning for Bitcoin Savings & Trust Investment transactions?
mircea_popescu: A: Yes. And he had a separate account that was a hidden account.
mircea_popescu: A: Just an account used for basically his own lending account. They borrow coins real quickly to make cash transactions and stuff.
mircea_popescu: A: I guess Gigavps, but it wasn't on Bitcoin Savings & Trust.
mircea_popescu: A: Because it wasn't on there. It wasn't on this database or on this website. It was tracked through a - what was that - not Sales Force. I can't remember the name of the website. It was something we just worked out together. And it has a lot of his transactions. This account looks mostly like my stuff.
mircea_popescu: Q: You mean Bitcoin Savings & Trust investment activity?
mircea_popescu: he fucking sends email with his name on it, what's not to know.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I knew it, but not in a court filing.
copumpkin: lol, you google my nick my name is the first result
BingoBoingo: I mean Pirateat40 know copumkin's full name, but only James for GigaVPS
copumpkin: he's also muddying things by lying
copumpkin: there was no way for pirate to think that goat's name is chaang noi :P
copumpkin: I was amazed at how much crap he spewed in there
mircea_popescu: actually... he only came up with chaang noi after his 6 months of laying low for the bst to blow over.
copumpkin: I think he got himself into more trouble there than he would be in if he'd just admitted it
mircea_popescu: well actually... i think in his case the meth defense cuts in
mircea_popescu: (ie, there's an absolute lowest limit a judge'll allow for self-critting idiocy, otherwise anyone from the inner cities would be doing >9k years)
mircea_popescu: this is really the reason prosecutions are so successful in the us. it's not really some sort of nefarious police stat
mircea_popescu: e/nasizm thing as some suggest. it's simply that most defendants are too stupid to live
copumpkin: and the guy is getting the SEC to drive him there in a car cause he doesn't have a car anymore
mircea_popescu: and if they were taken seriously they'd be just... you know, off to soylent plant
copumpkin: they should ask the FBI for some of those SR coins and buy that mclaren that went up recently
BingoBoingo: Oh, the reasons I found a drive through miracle maker for my disorderly conduct misdemeanor, allegedly
copumpkin: mircea_popescu is too cool to drive, walks around with an open shirt on the street
BingoBoingo: Eh, I'll keep driving the shitty family sedan. No one suspects...
B007: how do you have money and not drive?
B007: or at least own cars
BingoBoingo: B007: Well Mircea has slaves, and copumpkin something?
mircea_popescu: B007 i have cars, sometimes. i had dozens at some point. i jus' don't drive.
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mircea_popescu: "Pirate: And when I find that information, I will give you the updated information and show you that this was not a Ponzi scam. Just give me time. I promise you."
copumpkin: I liked the bit where they said "so wait, your company folded and you're in trouble now because someone screwed you out of 202k coins, and you forget who that someone is?"
copumpkin: must've been exhausting for both of them
mircea_popescu: it's like you sign up to be a chiropractor, and you end up sent to practice in the loony bin
copumpkin: moustakis had to stay focused to catch all the crap the guy was saying, and I'm sure pirate was in overdrive trying to crank out more crap
mircea_popescu: copumpkin no, not for both of them. romanian expression is "nu te pune cu prostu' c-are mintea odihnita"
mircea_popescu: which says, don't mess with the stupid, his brain's well rested.
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: I dunno, there were several pretty awkward moments when it was clear he'd been caught in a lie
copumpkin: I'm sure he was freaking out and trying to come up with more convincing crap
copumpkin: well, I read the whole thing, not sure carefully fits
mircea_popescu: how about you make a full length treatment of the whole thing, with notes ?
joecool: store your passwords with him
copumpkin: I'm sure you can find someone with less valuable time to summarize the shit
BingoBoingo: copumpkin: The veggies need their prison tomorrow. When you wake...
copumpkin: joecool: you've made that joke before, it's getting old
mircea_popescu: copumpkin you're in a very good position because you have the skill and the experience.
mircea_popescu: what, you think i just sprout this shit randomly cause i'm bored on irc
BingoBoingo: copumpkin: My time is probably the least valuable, but your insight is probably the most.
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copumpkin: I'm sure if this goes anywhere serious they'll call on me to testify
copumpkin: given how much the fucker talks about me
mircea_popescu: if that does happen, this write-up will be a great thing to have.
BingoBoingo: copumpkin: DO a writeup in the next couple weeks, GPG sign it
copumpkin: I don't see what the benefit would be
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for this purpose publishing beats signing.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Given the nothingness published pre-August2012 publishing means little. "Shall be delivered"
mircea_popescu: copumpkin the usual benefit. a furthering of human knowledge on a topic.
mircea_popescu: seeing how rthis topic is bitcoin, it kind-of trumps any other topic, even if some other topic may offer the illusion of importance.
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: I'm not opposed to it, but am not in a huge rush to spend my time on it either :) and would rather it be done in a formal setting so someone else can take care of summarizing/transcribing it :P
copumpkin: it doesn't trump that I have to get up for work in a few hours and need my beauty sleep
mircea_popescu: if you note, i said "full length treatment, with notes"
copumpkin: but anyway, as I said, I'm not opposed to doing that at some point :) thanks
BingoBoingo: I got the /. twice, but I am beneath the background necessary to treat this right
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i just went through the list of names there, which remarkably i had pretty accurate to begin with. crossing out the outright liars, like psychological compulsive sort, and the idiots, you're left with maybe 2-3 names
mircea_popescu: and i don't think reeses_ is even paying attention anymore.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: My list is comprable, but I the weight the "testimony" offer weighs so little on names I've assumed more guilty.
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BingoBoingo: You still wake up sometimes, don't you? You wake up in the dark and hear the screaming of the lambs. And you think if you save poor Catherine, you could make them stop, don't you? You think if Catherine lives, you won't wake up in the dark ever again to that awful screaming of the lambs.
mircea_popescu: anyway this shit is pretty epic, it wasn't that zeek rewards went under, it's just that he can't remember who had 200k btc
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BingoBoingo: First principles, Simplicity. Read Aristotle. Of each particular thing ask: what is it in itself? What is its nature? What does he do, this man you seek?
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BingoBoingo: This spring it takes what? 2 BTC to kill Harnett's bankerness? AAA-???BBQ
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mircea_popescu: so basically all the aurora crap ACTUALLY WAS strictly intended to win the bitbet bet.
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BingoBoingo: I know a bunch of -assets people's Bitbet payout addresses and this bettor isn't obviously one.
BingoBoingo: Especially since BTC taint is not a thing.
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mircea_popescu: well ok, but "i know" means i know some not i know all in this context neh ?
mircea_popescu: "like, i know my wife's husband and he happens to be me"
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BingoBoingo: Well in this case I know a wife was active. My wife was missing. I however do not know that any wife of mine was involved with any of these activities.
jcpham: half truths mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: if someone ends up disbared over pirate's dumb ass that'll be the lol of all time.
BingoBoingo: Only in Bitcoin-exile is such a thing possible
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i dunno where you get the "civil proceedings" notions from.
B007: is that guy fuked ? I think so
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mircea_popescu: that is oral culture at its finest. this guy is not part of contemporaneity, or even modernity. he finds himself in a roughly feudal time. back before literacy.
mircea_popescu: further proof that teaching kids to read and write is not either sufficient or particularly related to literacy.
B007: ofc you can't make people read if they dont want to
mircea_popescu: you can make people do absolutely anything they should be doing, provided you're comitted to beating them to death if they do not, and start before they're 5.
B007: but will they continue after the person that would beat them is gone?
chetty: yeah, it becomes habit
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mircea_popescu: hey D : someone over there ain't doing their job of reading properly.
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mircea_popescu: B007 yes, it will continue. not even strictly of habit, as chetty says. take washing : once you get used to your smell when you're clean, you're not likely to stop washing.
mircea_popescu: but if you're used to your smell being filthy, you'll just keep on doing that because... whatever.
mircea_popescu: "whoever loves you loves you as you are" and all that.
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mircea_popescu: so it's habit, but it's also that once you know things, stupidity appears quite different from how it appears back when you don't know things.
mircea_popescu: and so you understand both why you had to be beaten, and why you'll be beating the shit off your kids, too. so they don't end up like the retarded us scum.
jurov: well, once you keep yourself clean other people can start to smell horribly (applies to stupidity as well)
mircea_popescu: which is why society naturally segregates. it's not that the upper class hates the lower class. it's just that the lower class... stinks.
chetty: I wonder if much of the animosity between tea party and occupy could be simply smell?
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midnightmagic: children do better, perform better, respond better, and grow better when they aren't beaten.
midnightmagic: irl. There is virtually no evidence at all that beating children helps.
midnightmagic: There is virtually all the evidence that says that *not* beating them but maintaining discipline helps.
chetty: depends on the child, some actually need it
mircea_popescu: no, actually, there is an endless record of evidence that it does. what there's no evidence for is that not beating them is sustainable.
mircea_popescu: we can move on to discussing how temperatures form a golf club pattern next
mircea_popescu: but as an exercise : consider whether you're randomly lumping together beating children with simple abuse, as a sort of strawman argument.
mircea_popescu: some random drunk randomly hitting some kid is absolutely not within the scope of this discussion.
mircea_popescu: children have to be beaten systematically, in which case most don't actually even need pyshical contact.
midnightmagic: I understand what you mean. Virtually all infant and child development research disagrees with you.
mircea_popescu: virtually all data fugded by post 1950 us pseudoscience on the topic says random stupid shit.
mircea_popescu: it's about as good as us epidemiological data, that crap.
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mircea_popescu: well, either that or magically all kids suddenly need ritalin.
midnightmagic: No, ritalin is over-prescribed. That's evil on its own.
mircea_popescu: but it is over prescrived on the basis of " virtually all infant and child development research"
mircea_popescu: the same pseudoscientific process created both notions.
midnightmagic: I'm just saying, as much as it's possible to know such things, physical pain or even physical discomfort versus non-physical discipline tactics: the physical discipline is not as effective.
mircea_popescu: because the group that responds to the former well is SELF SELECTED.
midnightmagic: No it's not. Research is not the basis of ritalin over-prescription. In fact the research states that it is over-prescribed.
mircea_popescu: problem is the entire system collapses once kids know nobody can ever get beaten.
mircea_popescu: much like the us nuclear weapons, which the us refuses to declare will never be used.
chetty: fear is a wonderful motivation
midnightmagic: fear is not the most effective motivation. fear is not a direct motivator, it is a motivator to game the cease of fear.
mircea_popescu: basically you're externalising a cost. when "kids get beaten" subset A1 gets actually beaten and subset A2 learns from their experience.
mircea_popescu: you then run studies showing that A2 responds better than A1
midnightmagic: That is fundamental study design. They don't make those kinds of selection bias mistakes in the research on which consensus is formed.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic only in uncontrolled environments. in controlled environments, fear is a motivator exactly for education.
midnightmagic: Else someone else trying to make a name for themselves comes along and destroys it.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic nobody is going t omake a name for themselves in the current us showing that not beating kids is a wrong thing.
midnightmagic: Yeeaaahh.. no. Sure it's a motivator. I'm just saying it's not the most effective.
midnightmagic: I would say about half or more of the US actually agrees with you that beating children is the best way.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic yes, but not the 14% aspirational crowd that "makes" names
midnightmagic: Anyway, just pointing it out. If you have access to a research institute with fulltext, you should check it out. It's really fascinating and, for me at least, counter-intuitive.
mircea_popescu: yeah, i think the most we can arrive to is stating the respective positions.
chetty: no 'academic' would admit things like that, anymore than admit global warming is off. the wouldn't get their grants.
mircea_popescu: chetty presumably the free market still exists in the us, both financially and with regard to ideas, so such an academic would "make a name for himself"
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reeses_: I ignore nothing. I just don't pay attention.
chetty: ha, hasn't been a free market in ideas for a very long time
reeses_: I love that he claims a ccie and ccna and doesn't know what ccie stands for
reeses_: and that he got the ccie in high school
mircea_popescu: hence "<mircea_popescu> and i don't think reeses_ is even paying attention anymore."
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reeses_: switch what I said, then, I was ignoring it
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic but on the topic of making a name for oneself, know who tried that ? a certain dr. gleason. he tried to make a name for himself as not being a contemptible piece of shit. he was convicted, eventually, and then killed himself.
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mircea_popescu: reeses_ well then read the discussion with mr pineaple above too.
mircea_popescu: kinda why i'm stuck with an ever increasing intel dept
midnightmagic has trouble getting "to the moon, alice" out of his head
reeses_: yeah, working my way through the docs right now as well
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ozbot: Casablanca gambling? I'm shocked - YouTube
reeses_: yeah, I went to look it up
reeses_: no, they're still numbered
reeses_: but it's not as prestigious now, although it would still have been when he was in school
mircea_popescu: in 2000ish ? yea, it think it'd have been all over slashdot. "highschooler gets ccie!!1"
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reeses_: yeah, /. was around then, no?
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reeses_: my homework is here somewhere, I think copumpkin has it
mircea_popescu: Duffer1: big one and number two.. anyone taking bets one of those was goat? << yes. how much you wanna bet ?
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kakobrekla: they had an orphan in the list instead of the real block
dexX7: true, people were complaining about strange behavior for a few days now
dexX7: oh really? but the blockhash etc. was correct?
dexX7: well, good then that it's known
kakobrekla: well i dunno, thats the word i got and i dont think its made up
mircea_popescu: you mean the hash of the block as reported then matches the hash as reported now ?!
kakobrekla: anyway, whatever it is its blockchain.info related, not bitcoin
dexX7: and everything was correct except the number of transactions + the missing ones were indeed not listed
mircea_popescu: the validity of a block is not established until later. which is what orphans and chain reorgs are.
mircea_popescu: if a service like blockchain.info goes down (ie, stops listening to the chain) it may end up with the impression a meanwhile discarded block is still valid
mircea_popescu: this would necessarily result in them listing a different set of txns from the actual set as found on the actual chain
dexX7: a discarded block would have another hash
dexX7: the hash and merkleroot was the same
mircea_popescu: well then i suppose you'd better blog about it, or post or somthing.
mircea_popescu: (i don't keep much of an eye on blockchain.info since there exists blockr)
dexX7: maybe blockchain receives the complete blocks from it's backend in some way and had a small blackout while post-processing and adding the txs to their db ... well, who knows. they seem to be aware though.
kakobrekla: afaik the txes listed there were from an orphan
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kakobrekla: i havent checked anything but whats the problem
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla that if they had an orphan it would show its own hash and root, not the correct block's.
mircea_popescu: if you go "block 200344, here's the hash (from block 200344') and here's the txn, from block 200344" you got a problem
kakobrekla: not necessarily, you dont know what the bug was
dexX7: there is no orphaned block listed for 288788, but i only have blockchain.info as source
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla which is why i say let cary explain it, how the fuck would we know.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo did it actually say "Michael Marquardt" or theymos or what ?
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kakobrekla: two block appeared with same blockheight on blockchain info
kakobrekla: they had a fail and had to manually fix it thats why its not in the standard orphaned blocks page
dexX7: but there was only one block in the network and two on blockchain.info due to the fail, right?
kakobrekla: in the sense any other orphan would be an evil block to bc.info at the time
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: "realizing net proceeds of $164,758 from his net sales of 86,202 bitcoins" << epic.
mircea_popescu: some people buy in at a little over 2, some people sell out at a little under 2, life goes on.
reeses_: mircea_popescu: it just means his average spread was $2, which was ok at the time :-)
reeses_: what a sad amount, though :-)
mircea_popescu: i fucking wonder, you know, what the thought process of the mentally impaired is.
reeses_: I mean, sure, that's real money in shitholes like texas and romania
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: look in the mirror! dohohohohoho
mircea_popescu: like shavers, like taaki, like maxwell, like you know, the lengthy list of idiots that were "involved" early on
reeses_: the mentally impaired generally lack the ability for introspection
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: a lot of early people quit
mircea_popescu: otherwise it'd be all "o fuck me, 160k for 80k btc ? i did that ? srsly ? "
reeses_: ok I'm sure he is doing that now
mircea_popescu: i guess that's why the sec claiming the current price is a good thing
reeses_: since they hold the coins, too
mircea_popescu: that's all it's there for. costs the rest of us a prett ypenny, too
gribble: You rated user Vandroiy on Sat Sep 1 23:00:35 2012, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Risked 5k of his own bitcoins to help a bunch of forum retards see the light..
kakobrekla: isnt taaki still herp derping around, why are you talking like he is history, i mean he might be, but he doesnt know that
mircea_popescu: btc, tits. btc is the only thing that matters, the only thing that lasts. tara!
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kakobrekla: i bet we will see him on 'major' tv stations this year
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mircea_popescu: actually correct quote : “The BTC is the only thing in the world worth working for, worth fighting for, worth dying for, because it's the only thing that lasts".
ozbot: As a European this is how I imagine Americans have breakfast - Imgur
ozbot: Is Bitstamp going the same way as Gox?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the one - pretty much the only one - barb for the sec in the pirate story is that indeed the facts seem to support pirate's allegation that he actually paid out the newest investors first.
mircea_popescu: moustakis tried to finesse it out of the testimony, and absent any sort of competent defese it will probably wash away just fine
mircea_popescu: anyway, funny how goat got double paid, suckled something from pirate, suckled something from suckers buying debt...
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dexX7: ^ satoshi found ;)
mircea_popescu: lmao newsweek beat the bushes till they found one guy named satoshi nakamoto that was within driving distance
mircea_popescu: anyway, the responsible tard being Leah McGrath Goodman
nubbins`: responsible enough to publish a photo of the guy's home, with number visible
mircea_popescu: at least gavin goes on the record saying that he doesn't need any money,
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mircea_popescu: Andresen responded: "Yeah, I'm not happy with the 'wacky pirate money' tone, either."
mircea_popescu: Then he told Nakamoto he'd accepted an invitation to speak at the Central Intelligence Agency headquarters. "I hope that by talking directly to them and, more importantly, listening to their questions/concerns, they will think of Bitcoin the way I do - as a just-plain-better, more efficient, less-subject-to-political-whims money," he said. "Not as an all-powerful black-market tool that will be used by anarchists to ove
mircea_popescu: From that moment, Satoshi Nakamoto stopped responding to emails and dropped off the map.
nubbins`: okay, i just bought tickets to see neutral milk hotel in berlin
nubbins`: time to wake up pascale by smacking her in the face with them
ozbot: In the Aeroplane Over the Sea- Neutral Milk Hotel - YouTube
mircea_popescu: "If you come out as the leader of Bitcoin, now you have to make appearances and presentations and comments to the press and that didn't really fit with Satoshi's personality,"
mircea_popescu: kinda shocking how stupid this character is, seriously.
mircea_popescu: you gotta ? really ? how about the press and all that learns to irc instead. not like bitcoin is here to _adapt_ to anything now is it.
mircea_popescu: "He was the kind of person who, if you made an honest mistake, he might call you an idiot and never speak to you again," Andresen says.
mircea_popescu: yet he somehow magically doesn't understand why satoshi ain't talkin' to him no more.
nubbins`: "hey bru, know that disruptive technology you've been working on? well, i just got invited to speak with the cia about it! amazing, huh?"
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah, it's where the UK prime minister trawls for special assistants to help him get the best child pron
nubbins`: trawling decimated fish stocks here
mircea_popescu: anyway, enough loling at fucktarded english major chicks, back to rift crafting
ozbot: Collapse of the Atlantic northwest cod fishery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
nubbins`: almost one in ten newfoundlanders made their living doing that
mircea_popescu: about two in three white people are employed working for the government.
mircea_popescu: comes to about 600mn to be unemployed overnight one of these nights.
ozbot: The end of the Cod - John Crosbie in Bay Bulls Canada Day 1992. - YouTube
nubbins`: federal fisheries minister to angry mob: "i didn't take the fish out of the goddamn water"
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: we're only getting rid of white government? ;0
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only places with actual government are white majority population.
mircea_popescu: china i suppose is making some moves towards relevancy, but i know jack shit about china
nubbins`: planen... not holding breath ;(
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ozbot: Twitter / gavinandresen: I'm disappointed Newsweek decided ...
dexX7: "I'm disappointed Newsweek decided to dox the Nakamoto family, and regret talking to Leah."
antephialtic: mircea_popescu: do you think the article was an invasion of privacy?
nubbins`: i just bought thirty-seven pounds of pork shoulder
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ozbot: When China's Food Runs Out - Forbes
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MisterE: whats's a good non-Win bot?
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MisterE: why mircea_popescu say Ukraine is not productive and that article says its where .ch wants to buy its land becouse produces a lot of wheat?
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MisterE: farming has got to go hydro and less land intensive
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mircea_popescu: but why ? if the cattle harakiri'd randomly wed have all these stale carcasses all over.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "if there's a fire, don't do anything, call the fire people"
mircea_popescu: "if there's a robbery don't do anything, call the robbery people"
mircea_popescu: "if you feel like your time is up... don't... do anything... call the... "
dexX7: "fiat style attack" ..?
mircea_popescu: dexX7 yes. identity established not through the mechanism it is predicated upon, but through "the agreement" of "the people", specifically those who are too stupid to even understand what's being discussed.
mircea_popescu: roughly equivalent to some kid trying to resolve his upset at bitbet by "getting votes"
dexX7: ah and in contrast one would simply sign some genesis coins and that's it
☟︎ mircea_popescu: or whatever, send 1 bitcent from the genesis block to 1newsweak98759843
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mircea_popescu: about fifty different ways to go about it, all taking five minutes.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if fake satoshi comes up with some derpage about how we should all love each other, feed africa and stop oppressing faggots it'll be just perfect.
mircea_popescu: or whatever, fighting economic unequality and promoting the virtues of an unspecified, bug ridden codebase and the halfwits that nursed it to this day
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually there's already a dude claiming he's it
mircea_popescu: i guess that one had the disadvantage that the entire nonsense needed plane tickets, and newsweek wouldn't spring
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mircea_popescu: wherever a guy who "was deeply influenced by silicon valley" and also "uses prefix notation" could be found.
pigeons: and two spaces after periods
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, yes. whatever you call it, polish ?
pigeons: i thought everyone did that
MisterE: well this side of the pond
mircea_popescu: like you know... i don't think you can find someone doing that in the vc circus if your life depended on it
MisterE: it seems I come across double spacing less often now though, maybe just me
MisterE: or if its lazy good for nothing cheating students
pigeons: omg, my husbandhas bad grammar too, just like satoshi nakamoto
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ozbot: Putin | Ukraine | Crimea | Nobel Peace Prize | Nomination
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chetty: but then he and O could make a club or sumthin
mircea_popescu: putin could get the physics nobel for his crimeea contgributions
MisterE: it's going to be huge cash when it sweeps america next 10-years
mircea_popescu: actually this is pretty funny : The New Yorker's satoshi is Michael Clear ; Fast Company's satoshi is (Neal King, Vladimir Oksman and Charles Bry). Business Insider's satoshi is Nick Szabo.
mircea_popescu: there are also two individuals legally named satoshi nakamoto, one presenting himself as satoshi, the other being presented by newsweek as satoshi
mircea_popescu: there's also Shinichi Mochizuki, Gavin's wife, Jed McCaleb (judging by kraken... god help us)
chetty: Crimea votes to join Russia
jurov: chetty what, they finally moved the refendum to yesterday?
jurov: it was supposed to be at 30th, then at 16th
chetty: Crimea's parliament voted to join Russia on Thursday and its Moscow-backed government set a referendum within 10 days
jurov: nice freudian slip
chetty: well all the Satochies could get together and have a party
chetty: ok so Satochies and guests
pLambert: do we know that Satoshi is a male?
mircea_popescu: pLambert i was merely commenting on the people held up for the role by the media so far.
chetty: hmmmmm sounds like a great halloween costume :satoshidommes
mircea_popescu: TC: Does it matter? What would it change if it did, in your opinion?
mircea_popescu: SG: I think it’s very important to identify Satoshi at this point in Bitcoin’s history. The “agenda” behind Bitcoin, if there is any, cannot stay in the shadow if Bitcoin is to become a mainstream alternative currency, a challenge to the world’s monetary status quo. There has been speculation that Bitcoin may have been created by a government agency (the main employers of cryptographers of mathematicians) in
mircea_popescu: an attempt to make financial transactions easier to mine for interesting data patterns: we need to clear that up before we start relying heavily on Bitcoin in our lives.
mircea_popescu: TC: How has your digging gone over in the BTC community? It seems like an unpopular topic at best.
mircea_popescu: SG: It has not been received well, many people are telling me to “leave Satoshi alone”. But when one starts having a huge impact on the world, one loses his right to anonymity.
mircea_popescu: i gotta stop reading on this topic jesus god they're offensive.
nubbins`: first shoulder trimmed and cubed
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nubbins`: so i sent a coin to australia on january 14. it took nineteen days to get from here to vancouver, and finally arrived in australia today
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ozbot: Norway will cut through an island in tribute to massacre victims | The Verge
cazalla: that's quite a long time nubbins`
cazalla: maybe it was stuck at customs
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cazalla: with standard shipping, i usually get amazon orders to here in around 2 weeks
nubbins`: i've never had anything take so long -- wondering what shape the package will be in when it arrives
nubbins`: 19 days to cross canada is nuts :0
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves, that's pretty striking
nubbins`: re: package, my guess is the express shipping label somehow got ripped off
nubbins`: at least the month and a half of panicking is over. guy paid 6btc for the coin inside, via escrow
ThickAsThieves: maybe have the guy photograph it before opening the package
nubbins`: yeah, conditions included hd video of unpackaging
nubbins`: this buyer was the only person so far who took me up on the offer to extend the pgp chain of custody
dexX7: nubbins` you already used super slow shipping for the baked cat shirts, so i'm not surprised :p
nubbins`: well, that was more practicality than anything. nobody wants to spend $30 shipping on a $15 shirt
dexX7: was it a redeemed one?
nubbins`: i only ever peeled one casascius coin (0.5btc brass)
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KRS-One: You need to get out more nubbins`
ozbot: Bitcoin exchange First Meta CEO Autumn Radtke found dead - Technology & Science - CBC News
nubbins`: KRS-One: the problem is how to entertain myself while i'm in!
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dexX7: there are several headlines with "bitcoin ceo died" =D
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ozbot: Could bars open until 6 a.m. be in Montreal's future? - Montreal - CBC News
nubbins`: this will last until the first hockey game
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ozbot: Most Popular Bitcoin Apps Soon To Run On Tor Anonymity Network - Forbes
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nubbins`: oh, i think you might be right
dexX7: the bci block has 693 txs
dexX7: *the real one has 693 (instead of 554)
kakobrekla: yes also the hash matches real hash on blockr
kakobrekla: interestingly enough dexX7 , tx fees match perfectly
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dexX7: yea. the one from earlier was fixed on bc.info in the meantime
mircea_popescu: so is this coindesk basically a hand aggregator of the retarded press ?
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mircea_popescu: some kid just sits and googles forbes, business dorksider etc all day ?
nubbins`: reading an article about Staples closing 225 stores and there's a quote from some asshole about "right-sizing" their retail footprint
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nubbins`: back when i worked in a fabric-covered box, i walked past an office and overheard the woman inside talking about a "head count reduction"
kakobrekla: dexX7 well what can i say, blockr seems more reliable :)
nubbins`: nobody's getting fired, we're just going to count people, and if you don't get counted you're not getting paid
dexX7: indeed. i like the website
mircea_popescu: dexX7 this may be more or less the time one removes any large btc balances from blockchain
kakobrekla: dexX7 001ef3beb93da31ca03a0643951c594623df5f4fb670536a07614ea7c23053e4 might be the problem
kakobrekla: and it seems its the tx that they made
kakobrekla: so it seems they have a prob with their own txes
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dexX7: the note only means that the tx was relayed or broadcasted by bci
dexX7: the tx has actually 928 confirmations
ozbot: Bitcoin Transaction 001ef3beb93da31ca03a0643951c594623df5f4fb670536a07614ea7c23053e4
mircea_popescu: "hypothesis on why I think the real Sotoshi was found"
ozbot: Female WestJet pilot posts passenger's sexist note on Facebook - British Columbia - CBC News
kakobrekla: yeah, its not 100% from them, but likely
nubbins`: "I respectfully disagree with your opinion that the 'cockpit,' (we now call it the flight deck as no cocks are required), is no place for a lady. In fact, there are no places that are not for ladies anymore."
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mircea_popescu: "Too funny. Despite the incoherence of his blog post, at least MP has finally stepped up and conceded the incompetence of his former approach to options market making. For finally admitting that and quitting the business of options market making without being adequately prepared, he deserves a positive acknowledgement."
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mircea_popescu: because the us failed to execute him, the entire country is now full of losers who imagine that if they somehow pour drivel which happens to contain references to GM's CEO they somehow gain relevance.
kakobrekla: dexX7 apparently it was fixed, perhaps they are reading assets logs or something
ThickAsThieves: someone should poke them to explain why it happened and won't happen again
mircea_popescu: maybe they, you know, independently audit their own chainz
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mircea_popescu: so today i woke up to the pirate sec deposition, and i had to interrupt my launch because some overqualified stripper went off the deep end in newsweek
mircea_popescu: the theory that three's a charm is kind-of giving me goosebumps atm.
lnovy: mircea_popescu: i've just read mpoe february 2014 statement and I cannot hold myself to tell you this: Good job.
lnovy: i have my own asshole brother :)
ThickAsThieves: "MazaCoin is a fork of ZetaCoin and unlike Bitcoin, is inflationary, making it possible for new coins to be mined over time."
lnovy: mircea_popescu: that was just a quick to-be-funny reaction
lnovy: i failed obviously
ThickAsThieves: it's when you bump assholes with a guy, swapping anal cooties, making you asshole brothers
ozbot: Ass to Ass Loop - Requiem for a Dream - YouTube
ozbot: A Letter From Ray Jasper, Who Is About to Be Executed
ozbot: Safello launches complete redesign of website as it gears up for European expans
kakobrekla: >Safello announces a $600k investment round lead by prominent Bitcoin advocates Erik Voorhees and Roger Ver joined by Blockchain.info CEO Nicolas Cary and angel investors Victor & Victor. The Sweden based company also launches a complete redesign of their website to gear up for their European expansion as the safest way into Bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: unless you're telling me an unemployable black kid that supplemented his dole payments with robbery somehow went to vassar while in a texas jail.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5800001 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: really badly written, too. "When I first responded to you, I didn't think that it would cause people to reach out to me and voice their opinions. I've never been on the internet in my life and I'm not fully aware of the social circles on the internet, so it was a surprise to receive reactions so quickly."
ozbot: Journalist Harrasses Man Believing Him to be Bitcoin Founder Satoshi Nakamoto - CoinChomp
mircea_popescu: "here's what some libertard that's been on the internet all her lyf thinks a guy who's not would say"
mircea_popescu: yeah. a mentor that's never talked to anyone who's not online.
mircea_popescu: nor gives a shit about anything but how the story should read for maximal impact in the mouthbreather herd.
deadweasel: ^ this is what I saw in this and the first letter.
deadweasel: it's as if the anti death penalty league wrote it
mike_c: he slit the guy's throat. but the guy didn't die and his accomplice finished him off.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23003 @ 0.00087007 = 20.0142 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.60181866 = 3.0091 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 124 @ 0.63307968 = 78.5019 BTC [+] {31}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.65 = 5.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.64846153 = 8.43 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 75 @ 0.00574967 = 0.4312 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 730 @ 0.00435204 = 3.177 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00438863 = 0.6583 BTC [+] {15}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00438915 = 0.1317 BTC [+] {4}
the20year2: RENT will start trading/non-IPO trading tomorrow around noon
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07488998 = 0.674 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07489405 = 0.4494 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00574988 = 1.725 BTC [-] {4}
benkay`: how much of a selloff are you expecting, the20year2?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0863266 = 0.259 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 617 @ 0.00574993 = 3.5477 BTC [+]
mike_c: ;;calc (78534-24564)*0.0055
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00444777 = 0.1557 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 635 @ 0.00574995 = 3.6512 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (674 shares, 3.70700000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (11826 shares, 65.04300000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (53970 shares, 296.83500000 BTC)
mike_c: 300 btc. not sure what to make of that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00575 = 0.46 BTC [+]
benkay`: the20year2: are you willing to lend me some shares?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.00579947 = 0.2958 BTC [+] {4}
the20year2: Benkay, i'm expecting price to rise to .006 or .007
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 47 @ 0.0055 = 0.2585 BTC
benkay`: i'll put collateral on deposit with someone, not you
benkay`: maybe i just want to do a bitbet
the20year2: You were the one asking for handouts :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 16 @ 0.04399999 = 0.704 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00589 = 0.1414 BTC [+]
benkay`: the20year2: assume i have btc and can collateralize a position. are you willing to lend me shares?
mike_c: what are you going to do with them? you can't sell them until ipo is off. tough to short if it gaps down.
the20year2: I guess so? You'd have to send me more details
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1088 @ 0.00446484 = 4.8577 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 912 @ 0.00449559 = 4.1 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 400 @ 0.00089565 = 0.3583 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.6466 = 1.9398 BTC [-] {2}
gribble: (bcauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered with the bot with a bitcoin address for this to work. You will be given a random passphrase to sign with your address, and submit to the bot with the 'bcverify' command. Your passphrase will expire within 10 minutes.
gribble: Request successful for user r3wt, hostmask r3wt!add82c3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.216.44.61. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:7022ce55a1580f78f4ef9c40738c3eb47ee2495c1571a59ea183aedd
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00589786 = 0.3539 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0059585 = 0.2383 BTC [+] {2}
B007: I wonder if people will start showing up at his house now asking for bitcoin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.645 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 96 @ 0.00449998 = 0.432 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 230 @ 0.00449999 = 1.035 BTC [+]
B007: I'm temped to show up myself lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 37 @ 0.07000012 = 2.59 BTC [-] {4}
mike_c: no point. either he is the guy and deserves some respect, or he isn't and you're annoying some stranger
☟︎ assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07 = 0.49 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 29 @ 0.0055 = 0.1595 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 118 @ 0.00555319 = 0.6553 BTC [+] {3}
dexX7: at that time about 20-25k btc were on the books.. wouldn't have assumed that there was so much sleeping money/coins x.x
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07599992 = 0.608 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 72 @ 0.0055 = 0.396 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.07798294 = 1.8716 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 444 @ 0.0045 = 1.998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 32 @ 0.66514997 = 21.2848 BTC [+] {14}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 219 @ 0.0055 = 1.2045 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 103 @ 0.00598999 = 0.617 BTC [+] {6}
mike_c: s.mnky is going to implement the infinite monkey protocol.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00598999 = 0.4792 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: prolly ends up as reference RFC implementation
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.67 = 1.34 BTC [+]
jurov: mircea_popescu: consider asking MPOE-PR to announce on trolltalk that S.MNKY is hiring :DDD
ozbot: Rhythm is a dancer - YouTube
mike_c: genius jurov. put the forum to good use for once.
rithm: satoshi convinced me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.00599999 = 0.108 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07999397 = 0.24 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 102 @ 0.0055 = 0.561 BTC
nubbins`: i forgot how much i like skinny puppy
nubbins`: some of their earlier shit is insane
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.005999 = 0.12 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 37 @ 0.00449991 = 0.1665 BTC [-]
ozbot: BitBet - Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Jan 2015 over $200 at any point in 2014
mircea_popescu: guy that has no idea how to work cmegroup.com wants to bet on the oil price
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 115 @ 0.00449991 = 0.5175 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 69 @ 0.00449991 = 0.3105 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: "Everyone who is involved in Bitcoin understands the strength of the design." do they?
nubbins`: depends on your definition of "involved" :D
nubbins`: twist: leah mcgrath goodman is satoshi nakamoto
Namworld: Well I hear government backing of a fiat currency gives value, but faith does not give innate value to a fiat like BTC. Apparently if I disagree and claim both are fiat, without innate value and purely faith based valuation, I don't know what I'm talking about.
Namworld: It's nice to know only faith in government counts.
ThickAsThieves: "Jeff Garzik is an engineer, blogger, futurist and entrepreneur. "
nubbins`: first step is to become a wizard
nubbins`: second step is to call yourself a futurist instead of a wizard
nubbins`: pastists are called throwbacks
nubbins`: or codgers if they're really good at it
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves pastits are the guys who attack the pasties to the tits.
jurov: not 1337 enough.. should be phuturist instead
nubbins`: god DAMN there are some good smells coming up the stairs
nubbins`: i've been boiling some pork bones for 4 hours now
nubbins`: i suspect p just lifted the lid to stir
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 120 @ 0.0055 = 0.66 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00599 = 0.1198 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63000201 = 1.26 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04250006 = 0.1275 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 912 @ 0.00052059 = 0.4748 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 204 @ 0.0055 = 1.122 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07249999 = 0.725 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 65 @ 0.0055 = 0.3575 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07260011 = 0.6534 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 20 @ 0.00519874 = 0.104 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0055 = 1.1 BTC
benkay: it's your MNKY moment, BingoBoingo.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC
jurov: BingoBoingo: no, that would be X.MNKY
mircea_popescu: "i feel the need to add this otherwise lame alt exchange pre-announcement
mircea_popescu: thread to today's notes due to my distinct impression i'm watching signals
ozbot: Bitcoin Discussion
mircea_popescu: kinda lovely how the spirit oif the discussion has changed.
mircea_popescu: from 5 threads hyping the OMG SATOSHI FOUND angle we're now on to "omg media lied".
benkay: mircea_popescu: cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/06_you-have-not-found-satoshi.html
dexX7: don't forget about all those "this poor guys life is scwered, people will murder him 1000 %" posts
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: still not sure what i'm doing with it ;(
nubbins`: you can see the high water mark on the side of the pot
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 109 @ 0.00439999 = 0.4796 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: nubbins`: soak oats overnight in that shit
mircea_popescu: "Yesterday the CEO of Bitcoin got bankrupt, today they found the founder...."
nubbins`: if i can find bean paste, i might make 감자탕 (gamjatang)
mircea_popescu: no srsly, i'm like fucking proud of the forum suddenly.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0433988 = 0.1302 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: " @stacyherbert · 3h Great work by #KeiserReport regular @truth_eater. I had NO idea she was working on the story of 21st century!"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63000201 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0433988 = 0.217 BTC [+]
ozbot: Dorian S. Nakamoto (DorianSatoshi) on Twitter
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00087007 = 1.8271 BTC [+]
ozbot: Twitter / DorianSatoshi: Hypothetically speaking, how ...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.63899999 = 1.917 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07399999 = 0.37 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63899999 = 1.278 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 547 @ 0.0055 = 3.0085 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07585076 = 0.6068 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 32 @ 0.07450096 = 2.384 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0730001 = 0.73 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0434 = 0.3906 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "In the late 60's, Termen left spy work and got a university job doing acoustical research. One day a visiting Western journalist ran in to Termen, and unfortunately reported the fact that he was still alive in the New York Times.
mircea_popescu: This was too much for Termen's boss, who took all of Termen's musical instruments outside and chopped them up with an axe. “Electricity is only good for making electric chairs,” he explained. And that was the end of Termen's university career.
mircea_popescu: This is what oppression often looks like. No one called from Moscow and told this guy to destroy Termen's work. But he didn't care to stick his neck out, and took a proactive approach."
mircea_popescu: this is quite relevant for bitcoin. living in an oppressive, totalitarian regime does not mean obama orders your business destroyed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04345 = 0.1738 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: it simply means that you can't find a us bank that'' work with you.
mircea_popescu: because "aml", which is to say... didn't care to stick its neck out.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 22 @ 0.10885293 = 2.3948 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.005999 = 0.132 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00087095 = 3.9628 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63 = 1.26 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00087013 = 16.4455 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.075 = 0.225 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6492121 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07399999 = 0.37 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11850 @ 0.00086899 = 10.2975 BTC [-] {3}
gribble: Time since last block: 8 minutes and 16 seconds ago
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 215 @ 0.0055 = 1.1825 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07399999 = 0.37 BTC [-]
wao-ender: I still wondering how I will evade it.
ozbot: BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 34 @ 0.005 = 0.17 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: nice arbitrage op there anyway, the 10k bet shows 3:2, the 1k bet shows 100:1 ?!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 23 @ 0.0055 = 0.1265 BTC