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Duffer1: http://www.newsweek.com/clifford-stoll-why-web-wont-be-nirvana-185306
ozbot: Why the Web Won't Be Nirvana
Duffer1: "The truth in no online database will replace your daily newspaper"
Vexual: hiss eyes are more glazed than his orb
Vexual: he evvisions a bigger, shinier trackball with more velco
Duffer1: ha
Duffer1: needs more corduroy imo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 842 @ 0.00012 = 0.101 BTC [+]
Vexual: another fun image processing exercise, no corduroy, no run
Vexual: orb reports fatal cord error
deadweasel: ha, the family, mildy entertaining. i'm pretty sure as US citizens, we are allowed blow up foreign groceries.
deadweasel: as long as we use drones.
deadweasel: mildly* se
deadweasel: fuck keyboards
thestringpuller: amazing
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.08200001 = 0.164 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00012 = 0.12 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: deadweasel mildewy ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 15000 @ 0.00012 = 1.8 BTC [+]
deadweasel: the brain, yes
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00012 = 1.2 BTC [+]
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmIG9ujYEyM
ozbot: Peter Chung Animated Creations (6) - YouTube
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8pwUMuS8S0
ozbot: Aloe Blacc - I Need A Dollar (Ben E & Falki Remix) - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 37 @ 0.0421892 = 1.561 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2063 @ 0.00012 = 0.2476 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 30000 @ 0.001 = 30 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 20000 @ 0.001 = 20 BTC
Vexual: nubbins' how foes the rainbow vomit?
Vexual: your macig fountain bar installation
KRS|Gotyawallet: hey Vexual
Vexual: hello
nubbins`: ah. we didn't have enough time to make a rainbow vomit
nubbins`: had to settle for rainbow streamers ;(
Vexual: did it provide a model of a frame of reference where light only behaves as a wave and shit?
nubbins`: in fact, the room filled up with vibrations
Vexual: amazing
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Vexual: reading popescue is like nos, theres that numbing confusion that might be funny, but you don't know where you're sitting, a fruity dry nose of old wood and nosferatu, and a defined sense of nostradamus lingering on the palette.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8334 @ 0.00090338 = 7.5288 BTC [+]
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/a/qfFCe
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: that's the past 24 hours for me
Vexual: nice, i really like it just as the first colour even
nubbins`: nod
nubbins`: thanks
nubbins`: super last minute job, almost didn't get it done on time
nubbins`: i was wrapping up the stack of prints like 25 minutes before the doors opened at the venue :0
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4590 @ 0.00012 = 0.5508 BTC [+]
Vexual: so theyre souveneirs mor e than advertising?
nubbins`: yeah, they're selling them at the show as merch
nubbins`: way too expensive to post outdoors ;D
Vexual: hot off the press baby, tres cool
nubbins`: thanks
nubbins`: went delirious earlier
nubbins`: up til 4am printing
nubbins`: then awake again this morning & nothing to eat but 2 cookies
nubbins`: until 6pm
nubbins`: ink fumes
nubbins`: &c
gribble: Error: "c" is not a valid command.
BingoBoingo: ;;asks 1000
gribble: There are currently 12892.122 bitcoins offered at or under 1000.0 USD, worth 10964663.8696 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0757 seconds
Vexual: https://twitter.com/Omar_Gaza/status/413762734602194944/photo/1
ozbot: Twitter / Omar_Gaza: #Gaza: Evacuating an elderly ...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.0475 = 0.57 BTC [-]
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pduLqCiq1YM
ozbot: Ed Sheeran & Passenger - No Diggity vs. Thrift Shop (Kygo Remix) - YouTube
KRS|Gotyawallet: hmmm
KRS|Gotyawallet: this deserves a play
KRS|Gotyawallet: Vexual: Highly recommended: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6MPfX1ISC0
KRS|Gotyawallet: That bitch is hawt
Vexual: stones no longer safe on earth
KRS|Gotyawallet: Vexual this song is great
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1350 @ 0.00012 = 0.162 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: bueno
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 300 @ 0.0028 = 0.84 BTC [-]
Vexual: http://vimeo.com/30567004
ozbot: Maroon 5 - Moves Like Jagger on Vimeo
Vexual: salut
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00012 = 0.12 BTC [+]
KRS|Gotyawallet: Vexual did you like that song Rosana
KRS|Gotyawallet: video is hilarious
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 150 @ 0.001 = 0.15 BTC
nubbins`: i can't stop staring at that poster
nubbins`: so proud ;(
Vexual: do you do art prints for galleries nubules?
nubbins`: we've had prints that we've done in galleries
nubbins`: not our own works though
Vexual: yes i did like that video krs
nubbins`: like that poster i linked isn't our design
nubbins`: we just printed it
Vexual: so u ink stuff for artists to sell for 100s?
Vexual: u should hop a train to nyc
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: nah, too busy
nubbins`: but yes, that's a thing we do
nubbins`: hundreds is a bit less common
nubbins`: great way for people to make money tho. sell posters for like 20-30+ each
Vexual: yeah, looks like decent parchment u got there
nubbins`: costs maybe 6-10 to print them
nubbins`: nice cotton rag paper
Vexual: u make decent nmoney to stay up all night
nubbins`: acid free
nubbins`: it's not about what you make, it's about what you spend :D
Vexual: nod
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Vexual: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Oz-31-p1and2.jpg
Vexual: this is from an old sydney zine
nubbins`: siiiick
nubbins`: that thing on the left
nubbins`: :o
Vexual: that issue is floating around pdf style
nubbins`: we do a fully silkscreened zine once a year
nubbins`: too costly to hand print the insides generally
nubbins`: but it's nice to just hemorrhage money once in a while and produce something that challenges you
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0487896 = 0.5367 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00012 = 0.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1340 @ 0.00043287 = 0.58 BTC [-] {8}
Vexual: http://thoughtcrime.org/blog/telegram-crypto-challenge/
ozbot: Moxie Marlinspike >> Blog >> A Crypto Challenge For The Telegram Developers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12740 @ 0.00090578 = 11.5396 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 838 @ 0.00012 = 0.1006 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: .d
ozbot: 908350862.43702 | Next Diff in 198 blocks | Estimated Change: 31.2912% in 0d 22h 36m 44s
mircea_popescu: 30% o.o
mircea_popescu: i have no idea who "owen gunden" is and even less of an idea why he thinks he's in a position to play the expert in this space.
mircea_popescu: KRS|Gotyawallet ^
KRS|Gotyawallet: ya
KRS|Gotyawallet: right
KRS|Gotyawallet: figured you'd find that interesting so i shared
Vexual: gay hat
Vexual: came on the front of a magazine just like red hat
Vexual: marie claire? whoops, i wanted android developer
mircea_popescu: dork parade.
mircea_popescu: but anyways.
Vexual: trotsky wore a nice hat ya?
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 233 @ 0.00045 = 0.1049 BTC [+]
Vexual: that shit prevents brain injury
Duffer1: nice hats?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 5000 @ 0.001 = 5 BTC
Vexual: my alologies
mircea_popescu: kinda lulzy anyway.
Vexual: tis the season
mircea_popescu: "let
mircea_popescu: s pretend there doesn;t exist a $1bn+ player around and our 5mn start-up could matter"
mircea_popescu: nice season.
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka4ZPBLz9NI
ozbot: Bunny Wailer - Bald Head Jesus - YouTube
kakobrekla: imgur.com/Wppk2o2
kakobrekla: http://imgur.com/Wppk2o2
ozbot: a basic primer on economics (for new users) - Imgur
KRS|Gotyawallet: Player indeed
Vexual: hows pankakkes economics lesson going?
KRS|Gotyawallet: we've all seen those startups with fancy logos and names you've never heard of before..in almost any industry or service offering
KRS|Gotyawallet: some almost seemed like a packaged deal you can buy online
KRS|Gotyawallet: real tight and lulzy
KRS|Gotyawallet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJVmu6yttiw
ozbot: SKRILLEX - Bangarang feat. Sirah [Official Music Video] - YouTube
KRS|Gotyawallet: IPO in a box
KRS|Gotyawallet: Just name your board and officers allow 4-6 weeks for delivery. Attorneys fees, filing and taxes extra.
KRS|Gotyawallet: 'Shells R Us'
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XiYUYcpsT4
ozbot: Bob Marley - I Shot The Sheriff - YouTube
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1mo75mKFJ0
ozbot: DJ Algoriddim: King Pharoahs Plague (Yabby U, Vivian Jackson, Tommy McCook, King Tubby) - YouTube
mircea_popescu: one of these days some us kid is going to pay attention in school, and thus hear about this "flying with machines heavier than air" new idea
mircea_popescu: and before you know it there's going to be a bloweing start-up in virginia, which is going to maybe one day have airplane flights among cities!
mircea_popescu: like you know, a regular thing! creativity! revolution!
Vexual: theres a great ultralight crash on liveleak
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 679 @ 0.002836 = 1.9256 BTC [-]
Vexual: gotta start somewhere
Vexual: land, stroke beard, kick thing with adrenalin
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the startup of steam! will have to come first.
mircea_popescu: nah, there's no multi billion dollar steam company already in business
asciilifeform: (as described here - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=388)
mircea_popescu: thus therefore it's not a hot subject.
mircea_popescu: notice how kids play about being cavalry officers on their wooden horse cca 1800
mircea_popescu: but not 2000 ?
mircea_popescu: now they're tank commanders.
asciilifeform: i did both...
mircea_popescu: i never did the tank thing.
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lOnYL1uSuc
ozbot: Machete Kills TV SPOT - President Carlos (2013) - Charlie Sheen Movie HD - YouTube
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8KDW80qLXs
ozbot: Johnny Vegas - The Late Late Show | Behind The Scenes - YouTube
Vexual: why is there an mpex logo on that stones track>?
Vexual: illuminati/?
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkMg_X9lHMc
ozbot: Marteria - Kids (2 Finger an den Kopf) [Offizielles Video] - YouTube
Vexual: hey smidge, im getting thirsty
Vexual: please don't forget about me
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 172 @ 0.00299336 = 0.5149 BTC [+] {5}
Vexual: you sure get all english as a second language when you don't like the content smidge
Vexual: you be 3 million euro in the hole, and all i get is distain
truffles: ure super broke vexual?
Vexual: sure
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH1Rs6LSvBs
ozbot: transvision vamp - i want your love - YouTube
truffles: i can loan u 6 bux to get u back on ur feat
Vexual: thanks brah
truffles: no prob
truffles: u can turn it into 600 in no time
Vexual: in a week
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truffles: i believe she wants that love
Vexual: ironicly im sure that song gets a cheque
truff1es: hehe
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0A3-wc0rpw more cool hatz
ozbot: Pharrell Williams - Happy (12AM) - YouTube
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truff1es: my fav pharrell song is
truff1es: cant remember the name
Vexual: youre shit in so many ways truffles
truff1es: :8
truff1es: why u say that
Vexual: well its self evident to me
truff1es: u want hurt my feelings is that it
Vexual: my apologies
truff1es: ure sorry now? pfff
Vexual: whoa, are u esl too?
truff1es: esl ?
truff1es: :D
Vexual: u play mostor hunter truffles?
truff1es: no?
Vexual: oh
KRS|Gotyawallet: anyone see this article
KRS|Gotyawallet: http://www.businessinsider.com/williams-bitcoin-meltdown-10-2013-12
ozbot: The Bitcoin Meltdown Has Begun - Business Insider
KRS|Gotyawallet: THIS is why we need to move our assets to dogecoin.
Vexual: some of the new new sers will get it in a year
BingoBoingo: KRS|Gotyawallet: That article basically reads as 'Murica can't bitcoin so I hate Bitcoin
Vexual: murica bitcoins hard
BingoBoingo: KRS|Gotyawallet: And nevar forget that 'Murica isn't even 'Murican enough for Duck Dynasty
KRS|Gotyawallet: None of those comments address these concerns.
mircea_popescu: lol meltdown my foot.
KRS|Gotyawallet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIqtApWRtEM
ozbot: Public Enemy No. 1 - Public Enemy - YouTube
truff1es: monster hunter looks like role playing vexual
mircea_popescu: someone should save all this retardedness so we can mock "mainstream" media later on.
KRS|Gotyawallet: Those seem like valid concerns. These comments are simply just ignoring the issues.
mircea_popescu: what valid concern specifically ?
KRS|Gotyawallet: Anyone have a good rebuttal for any of the concerns illustrated in the article?
mircea_popescu: ...
KRS|Gotyawallet: I shall pick one.
mircea_popescu: go ahead
KRS|Gotyawallet: im not debating or questioning anyone's expertise here. I'm curious because these seem pretty legit.
KRS|Gotyawallet: ok so the comment about inflation can be dismissed-
Vexual: ....
mircea_popescu: well so which are the concerns ?
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/ << the cannonical "inflation concern" rebuttal.
ozbot: The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
KRS|Gotyawallet: Bitcoin has not taken off as a transactional currency and is further undermined by the fact that the majority of Bitcoin owners hoard e-coins. The more hoarded the less available to buy goods and services and spur economic growth.
KRS|Gotyawallet: Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/williams-bitcoin-meltdown-10-2013-12#ixzz2nzpQ4sy0
KRS|Gotyawallet: That seems pretty valid.
mircea_popescu: "transactional currency" is a meaningless string created to give the appearance of depth to a nonsense piece of posturing.
KRS|Gotyawallet: However, much of the supply is in the hands of a few.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is and was a store of value. this is trilema 2012,
Vexual: he sung that ax withought a breath
mircea_popescu: and in general these "professors" and "experts" would do a lot better reading more and talking less.
KRS|Gotyawallet: so supply isn't a problem..
mircea_popescu: gold is not "a transactional currency" either.
mircea_popescu: who cares and why is it a topic ?
truff1es: lol!
Vexual: satoshi was very wizard
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0487896 = 0.7318 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: I think I said this yesterday, but even the hardest core bitcoiners will still burn fiat for toothpaste instead of BTC
BingoBoingo: BTC isn't consumer stuff
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo of course. grisham's law.
mircea_popescu: bad money driving the good into the storwe of value function
mircea_popescu: basically "btc is not a transactional currency" is a fancy way of saying "the usd is shit, so everyone'd rather spend that"
Vexual: and your avergae bc user prolly has a better about whats going on that your average dollar user
truff1es: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObJEYeqXPhg
ozbot: Amaranthe - It's All About Me (Rain) [ALBUM QUALITY] with lyrics - YouTube
Vexual: a dumb statistic, but worth noting
KRS|Gotyawallet: You know what, I analyzed this article but i actually applied critical thinking this time..initially, I didn't. It really is a bunch of bullshit. None of the points were backed by good examples.
Vexual: if you want to really dumb it down, look at early adopters and the skillset and motivation
KRS|Gotyawallet: I actually can't cite anything else from the article.
KRS|Gotyawallet: It really is propaganda.
mircea_popescu: yw.
Vexual: thats why hes only worked there for 3 weeks
KRS|Gotyawallet: i had to read it 3 times.
KRS|Gotyawallet: its like..i read these rags, but my emotions get tied up because i have an investment in it..and admittedly i let it get the best of me.
BingoBoingo: KRS|Gotyawallet: Welcome to Business Insider, the Buzzfeed of financial reporting
mircea_popescu: yup.
mircea_popescu: it's how they're designed to work.
KRS|Gotyawallet: Critical thinking is hard to weild when your emotions are part of the equation.
Vexual: elvis said you can ignore space and time, don't mean you have to
BingoBoingo: KRS|Gotyawallet: Use vodka to blunt the emotions. What could go wrong?
KRS|Gotyawallet: wow, thanks guys i actually feel enlightened.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00090421 = 12.885 BTC [-]
KRS|Gotyawallet: i've tried to tear this thing apart..i can't.
truff1es: u care too much KRS, go drink it off ldo
Vexual: what type of investment do you think you have krs?
KRS|Gotyawallet: all else aside, i think we all have the investment of time. and that in itself is most valuable. (C) 2013.
KRS|Gotyawallet: lol ya my drinking days were left behind in college..wouldn't mind sparking up some fine herb though..pass the j
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgWUnuB6quc
ozbot: Bob Marley Small Axe - YouTube
KRS|Gotyawallet: BingoBoingo: Business Insider a well known rag?
Vexual: kinda
Vexual: and thusly not ashamed to throw some muppet under a bus
KRS|Gotyawallet: guilty
BingoBoingo: KRS|Gotyawallet: Business Insider is actually rather new. They made the decision to be glossy toilet paper from the start though.
KRS|Gotyawallet: hehe
KRS|Gotyawallet: now i know
KRS|Gotyawallet: kind of disappointed in myself for not using critical thinking
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KRS|Gotyawallet: gotta work on that
BingoBoingo: KRS|Gotyawallet: It is like upworthy or any other non-content enterprise. Business Insider sells titles to get links.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8835 @ 0.00012 = 1.0602 BTC [+]
KRS|Gotyawallet: shame..curious, what would be a good publication? i like to read the marketplace in wsj
Vexual: i buy fortune if i want to look flashy on the plane
mircea_popescu: theuy all kinda went to shit
Vexual: the format covers a penthouse
truff1es: washington journal got bought by whatshisface
KRS|Gotyawallet: npr has a business section, i know its radio but everything is available on the website
Vexual: people still read time
BingoBoingo: KRS|Gotyawallet: For Bitcoin to the best of my knowledge reputable sources consist of Trilema, The Genesis Block, and thedrinkingrecord.com
KRS|Gotyawallet: BingoBoingo thanks I'll check those out.
Vexual: i read afr in black and white sometimes, but i need a big pinch of salt, some dos guanos and a lime
KRS|Gotyawallet: afr?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13452 @ 0.0009018 = 12.131 BTC [-] {3}
KRS|Gotyawallet: honestly..there's nothing like a brand new PENTHOUSE
Vexual: aussie financial rag
KRS|Gotyawallet: ah
Vexual: why do they put penthouse in airports?
KRS|Gotyawallet: Hahaaha
KRS|Gotyawallet: remember CLUB, HUSTLER
KRS|Gotyawallet: my favs
KRS|Gotyawallet: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51n-Xua%2BY0L._SL500_AA300_.jpg
Vexual: yeah, we get it
KRS|Gotyawallet: sorry didnt mean to make you uncomfortable there vexual
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGYAAsHT4QE
ozbot: Bob Marley Three little birds (Original) - YouTube
Vexual: fuck no, i hop on the plane open that shit and let murphys law sit a tight little hottie next to me
BingoBoingo: KRS|Gotyawallet: Some people want to be in the mile high club, but the only willing partner they care to find is their hand
Vexual: toast lands butter down so i vegemite the floor
KRS|Gotyawallet: haha
Vexual: no problemas
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6MPfX1ISC0
ozbot: Wax Rosana Official Music Video - YouTube
Vexual: dos guanos gringo
Vexual: stones no longer safe on earth
Vexual: olo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00090169 = 7.484 BTC [-]
Vexual: let me run it thru orb
Vexual: nothing
Vexual: smarthouse my arse
Vexual: yes i have an autistic computer
Vexual: invented before the internet
Vexual: fuck you google labs
BingoBoingo: Vexual: I am impressed. I merely have pre-web computers. Nothing pre Internet though
Vexual: wait, when did the internet start?
mircea_popescu: 1960s
Vexual: in any case i chucked that first machine learning package whos name i forget out 20 yearsa ago
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13194 @ 0.00089985 = 11.8726 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: 1969 or 1981 depending on which networks whould be counted as Internet proper and not that Goofy intelligence leak the Air Force ran
Vexual: was ip just a joke for plebs?
Vexual: they dont use ip on subs
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Subs have IP
Vexual: yeah?
Vexual: just more wires?
Vexual: were talking internet protocol here right?
BingoBoingo: I'm inclined to take 1981 as the birth of the capital "I" internet though the technologies have been brewing longer. It is when shit went public.
bounce: usenet.
BingoBoingo: Vexual, between my Vodka and your bathsalts it is hard to tell what is being discussed
Vexual: lol
Vexual: i appreciate the macfee
Vexual: ip is excellent for the world
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Scheier and other government agents are dangers to freedom, but so are people tripping balls 24/7 like McAfee
Vexual: yeah well at least hes in control of his own shit
Vexual: gaza would look a lot different without the mossy e
Vexual: v&
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pduLqCiq1YM
ozbot: Ed Sheeran & Passenger - No Diggity vs. Thrift Shop (Kygo Remix) - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 476 @ 0.00282544 = 1.3449 BTC [-] {12}
Vexual: whats better than a double edged sword?
Vexual: ask mcafee hess say a double barrelled shotgun
Vexual: ask the isralei girl who just turned 22
Vexual: she dont want no close quarters comabat
Vexual: she will say 2 tickets to goa
Vexual: the american homeboy in prison might say 2 months in the hole
BingoBoingo: Vexual? What if you need to cause injury to three people though?
Vexual: well if you're asking mossad, theyll say a tripple shot fucking long range missile with a 509 metre kill radius
Vexual: that shit doesnt need a camera, good intel, set, forget
Vexual: id say a triple edged sword
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC
Vexual: and ballet lessons
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Flle3hJm2yk
ozbot: Peter Chung - Loaded Promo - YouTube
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ih1SHVkq94
ozbot: Umami - Sunny - YouTube
Vexual: ill dumb it down so more vodka makes it clearer
Vexual: self relieance and freedom are the themes
Vexual: both of which arent true
Vexual: but the trader has both
Vexual: and they are inalaible
Vexual: futhermore, in the words of australias great irish hero:
Vexual: such is life
dub: Vexual is down with the inhalable
Vexual: lol
Vexual: did i get geolocated?
Vexual: fucking ip
Vexual: csiro wifi patent ran out, sell kennilworth
Vexual: wait noone whos ever even heard of csiro has aven shooken a kennilworth hand
Vexual: fucking leprachauns
Vexual: 100k in sundries for a landcruiser
Vexual: and its asx listed, so the whole shit is half illegal
Vexual: if mircea ran the asx, those rainbow running fucks would be delisted in a heartbeat
Vexual: ive got more gold in my arse
Vexual: something newer, what of this seed fun ?
Vexual: *d
Vexual: yeah thats a lot of coin, im not saying shit
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klVe7_2UEQ8
ozbot: Best Mariachi Music - YouTube
Vexual: dub help me
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63tEbQryLpQ
ozbot: D12 - Shit on You (Full Uncensored) - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.2968084 = 2.9681 BTC [+] {6}
Vexual: yay finance
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXANDMk9Z6w
Vexual: if those guys had a baby smidge would come out
Vexual: from craig davids bottom
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.0487896 = 1.4149 BTC [+]
Vexual: *a smidge
Vexual: not the smidge
Vexual: dont want some facist shouting liabel
Vexual: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6e0_1385652769&comments=1
ozbot: LiveLeak.com - Meanwhile In Australia - Riding My Emu To Work (comments)
Vexual: hey smidge
Vexual: mick jagger charges more than you
Vexual: if you want to play games get a nintendo
Vexual: oh i should take my own medecine there
Vexual: £realize
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9000 @ 0.00012 = 1.08 BTC [+]
Vexual: ill be back in 3 months with wiiu chip#s for all the gents
Vexual: 300khs scrypt when its off
truffles: free chips?
Vexual: youll have to reselve yourself truff
Vexual: *)
Vexual: *0
truffles: reselve?
Vexual: resolvbe
Vexual: -b
Vexual: can u troll in japanese?
truffles: :(
Vexual: can u make your mum buy you a nintendo and monstor hunter?
truffles: no
truffles: i didnt even play it much when we had it
Vexual: no the new one is better#
Vexual: you lkike to troll?
truffles: i feel like
truffles: ure trying to hurt me
Vexual: no, if you want to troll, i will show you
truffles: ull show me how to fail ok
truffles: if u dont understand what im saying just ask
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00089947 = 9.9841 BTC [-]
Vexual: perhaps if you learn to harekiri some dumb fuck on monstor hunter u can mine ore on eve for mircea
truffles: its not a game id play
Vexual: they have a warrior shooter
truffles: it looks like a wannabe supermario os
Vexual: nintendo?
truffles: the game, i saw utube clip
Vexual: oh yeah its not as easy as it sounds
truffles: i did enjoy age of empire's 1
truffles: i couldnt make it through AOE 2
Vexual: too versatile?
truffles: i dont like how it looked, it felt like they changed the game
Vexual: if you become accustomed to your old prong it's not necissarily a sign of low intelligence
truffles: i know, im not big on changes
Vexual: nintendo invented two iterations of virual reality and never saw it through, but the innovation gets my money every time
truffles: xbox or wii?
Vexual: wiiu pad is a headset without the velcro
truffles: i dont like wii
Vexual: u will when youre bleeding from the face
truffles: ure gonna make me bleed? heh
Vexual: its unlikely
truffles: esp since ure prob some skinny nerd :D
Vexual: i am
Vexual: u fat?
truffles: im not obese
Vexual: but youll swipe my feet?
truffles: prob
Vexual: u got a pink tracksuit?
truffles: nah
Vexual: kick snow at me?
truffles: i dont fight ppl
truffles: im peaceful
Vexual: me too, youre bleeding from the face by the virtual reality
Vexual: omiting, shiting, sneezing, crying, all at once
truffles: why
Vexual: coz its virtual rality and its a whole experience, unusual to us
truffles: id rather get booze
Vexual: its in your house, do what u want
Vexual: tyhe gaming pop is going to explode with vr headsets
Vexual: ps4 will not last 10 years this time
truffles: getting xbox2
Vexual: sounds right
truffles: obv i dont wanna move on to "new" one
Vexual: obv
truffles: the old one works just fine u kno
Vexual: dead set
Vexual: get version one, at least that plays videos
Namworld: I'm going to play I Wanna Be The Guy, VR version
Namworld: So unfair it might just look like real life.
Vexual: what dat dutchie?
truffles: ps4 looks better than xbox2 though
truffles: too bad i dont like ps4 games
Vexual: its a sony
truffles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzxJgWbm_3I this?
ozbot: I Wanna Be The Guy - Complete Run (Part 1 of 5) - YouTube
Vexual: dem apples
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00012 = 0.6 BTC [+]
truffles: looks like super mario!
pankkake: but 9000 times harder
truffles: omg mike tyson?
revy: cat in snow
truffles: in the video its fighting mike
truffles: 4:50minute
revy: snot
revy: tears?
revy: its ok if youre watching mario ride link
truffles: im watching link i posted above "I Wanna Be the Guy"
revy: mario didnt fare well in the family
revy: wrong castle
revy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8JAPNbhaT8
ozbot: Black Lagoon - Hey Rock (She likes me for me) - YouTube
truffles: thats on my list of anime to watch!
Vexual: i only ver watch that and urutsukudodji
KRS|Gotyawallet: :P
truffles: cowboy bebop u should watch :D
Vexual: is that like brokeback mountain?
KRS|Gotyawallet: hah
truffles: no wai, its a good one
truffles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6zDfxZ4NcE
ozbot: Cowboy Bebop opening (Tank) - YouTube
Vexual: yeah ive seen it
Vexual: i cant abide bullshit pace travel
truffles: hater
Vexual: eat me
truffles: u got no meat to eat
Vexual: but if you choose to play i can eat you
truffles: have u seen berserk?
truffles: this intro is pretty graphic/dark
truffles: to Urotsukidoji
Vexual: dont know beserk
truffles: 1st ep is the last ep
Vexual: what do you eat?
truffles: right now? pistachio's
Vexual: ill have nigella round
truffles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZIoc-iNyBQ&list=PL7mDg8J8cx9QmvNW2Y19T_-9DeKrodjIR
ozbot: Berserk Episode 2 [1 2] English Dub - YouTube.flv - YouTube
truffles: obv gonna have to rewatch that series sometime
Vexual: ha that guy is my cousin
truffles: which
KRS|Gotyawallet: Vexual did you watch breaking bad yet
Vexual: the sword guy who doesnt have a hawk
Vexual: yes ive seen breaking bad
KRS|Gotyawallet: teh best imo
truffles: now go watch The Wire
KRS|Gotyawallet: yeh
Vexual: sigh
truffles: this guy looks like vegeta!
Vexual: fat fuck
Vexual: cliced thin with some hot and sour soup#
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 17 @ 0.03640738 = 0.6189 BTC [-] {7}
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoEiU2KAs9E
ozbot: Black Lagoon - Revy in Japan - YouTube
Vexual: u went to japen Graet
Vexual: whats it like?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57337 @ 0.00090173 = 51.7025 BTC [+] {4}
Vexual: did friedcat come and chinese it up, kicking robots in the crotch and shit?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.28000202 BTC [-]
realtetsuo: lend me your shitty motorbike
realtetsuo: i, i, i cant take it any longer
Vexual: feel that?
Vexual: private fibre baby
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzQsfffGzIs
ozbot: Black Lagoon AMV - Revy's broken dreams - YouTube
Vexual: i apologise namworld
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.28000202 = 0.84 BTC [-]
Vexual: if u think revy shooting shit is a spoiler, you can stop watching 2 minutes into episode 1
truffles: not clicking any lagoon links :d
Vexual: fair cop
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.28000203 BTC [+]
truffles: Urotsukidoji is really hentai?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.0487896 = 1.0734 BTC [+]
Vexual: Roanapur is really no place for a lady to be slone tho.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 109 @ 0.00283 = 0.3085 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00283 = 0.566 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.28000203 = 0.56 BTC [+]
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2Lx_y-FyT0
ozbot: My Island Home - Christine Anu - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.27603222 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.0487896 = 0.8294 BTC [+]
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD6_kyOyR50
ozbot: Christine Anu - Coz I'm Free (2001) - YouTube
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ouqhCtIh2g
ozbot: Sinead O'Connor - Molly Malone - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6732 @ 0.00090271 = 6.077 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFLP_FzvEOg
ozbot: Kings Cross - Story Of Our Lives - Ben Nevis - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.297 = 2.376 BTC [+]
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWOJlWh6xs0 informatik
ozbot: Black Lagoon AMV - The Scorpion - YouTube
Vexual: has onyone outside of china ever called the police for a bitcoin matter?
Vexual: and the herman that got his laptop took on a country lane
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 51 @ 0.00291 = 0.1484 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1184 @ 0.00282638 = 3.3464 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00090487 = 9.1392 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12017 @ 0.00012 = 1.442 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 46 @ 0.02113043 = 0.972 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 308 @ 0.00253816 = 0.7818 BTC [-] {13}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.297 BTC [+]
KRS|Gotyawallet: Bobby Lee has it all handled.
KRS|Gotyawallet: I went to sleep for the night and i'm back already..sad.
truffles: tis the weekend
jurov: ;;later tell Vexual bitcash.cz dude did go to police after the theft.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: ;;later tell Vexual little did that help so far
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 356 @ 0.00281152 = 1.0009 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.28202614 = 0.5641 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8000 @ 0.00012 = 0.96 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2761002 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 277 @ 0.00279899 = 0.7753 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11883 @ 0.00090481 = 10.7519 BTC [-]
TomServo: .d
ozbot: 908350862.43702 | Next Diff in 130 blocks | Estimated Change: 31.2986% in 0d 14h 8m 2s
ThickAsThieves: ;;nethash
gribble: 9950311.51339
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 1192682487.75 based on data since last change | 1390021250.17 based on data for last three days
ThickAsThieves: wow
TomServo: indeed.
ThickAsThieves: ;;bcstats
gribble: Current Blocks: 276061 | Current Difficulty: 9.08350862437022E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 276191 | Next Difficulty In: 130 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 15 hours, 8 minutes, and 44 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1192682487.75 | Estimated Percent Change: 31.30196
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 100 @ 0.00222441 = 0.2224 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: http://bitbet.us/bet/134/civil-war-in-the-usa-in-2013/ ha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26350 @ 0.00090519 = 23.8518 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: BitBet - Civil war in the USA in 2013
truffles: maybe 2020
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2762 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 137 @ 0.001 = 0.137 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1150 @ 0.00012 = 0.138 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 90 @ 0.00279899 = 0.2519 BTC [-]
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/mud-immortal-organizer-in-personal-bankruptcy-during-event-1.2470111
ozbot: Mud Immortal organizer in personal bankruptcy during event - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
nubbins`: someone should tell that guy about bitcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15625 @ 0.00090636 = 14.1619 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 180 @ 0.022 = 3.96 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: seems he's got his scamming under control already tho
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10523 @ 0.00012 = 1.2628 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00090739 = 4.6277 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4370 @ 0.00012 = 0.5244 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: "Today Bitcoin China (BTC China) formally launched a new product, "currency lock" - the most secure online bitcoin wallet. "Currency lock" the safest way to store the user's offline Bitcoin, a process known as cold storage, it can ensure that your wallet will not be stolen by hackers online. Your "money locked" account we have bank-level security protection. In the future, China Bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: (BTC China) users can send your bitcoins safely stored in bitcoins China (BTC China) of "currency locked" inside."
ThickAsThieves: http://www.reuters.com/investigates/china-military/#article/part4
ozbot: Breakout: Inside China's military buildup
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10227 @ 0.00090554 = 9.261 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.00045 = 0.225 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 323 @ 0.00090368 = 0.2919 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 50000 @ 0.00012 = 6 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 33000 @ 0.001 = 33 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 282 @ 0.001 = 0.282 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 17 @ 0.02229999 = 0.3791 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0487896 = 0.1464 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2110 @ 0.00090739 = 1.9146 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 2500 @ 0.00066111 = 1.6528 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MG] 2500 @ 0.00014 = 0.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 196 @ 0.00283598 = 0.5559 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 2500 @ 0.00014 = 0.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00283598 = 0.2836 BTC [+] {3}
KRS|Gotyawallet: they scare me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00090787 = 2.2697 BTC [+]
the20year2: Rentalstarter payments are finally going out
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 170 @ 0.00301429 = 0.5124 BTC [-] {4}
jborkl: http://lp2.beastoptions.com/
jborkl: :(
jborkl: but they have a instructional video
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peterL: @assbot is a shill :P
pankkake: hmm… speaking of shill… how about a bot telling of bet updates?
pankkake: for example any bet >0.1, new bets, etc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 12000 @ 0.001 = 12 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 74 @ 0.00279899 = 0.2071 BTC [-] {2}
peterL: do bets get posted to twitter or anything like that?
peterL: and how is that a "speaking of shill"?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1997 @ 0.001 = 1.997 BTC
KRS|Gotyawallet: i want to profit with amazing free video
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 325 @ 0.001 = 0.325 BTC
KRS|Gotyawallet: whats with litecoin tanking
Duffer1: it's following btc
mircea_popescu: so today i learned that while in romania you pay 350 euros a month to rent a property worth 70k, in the us you miostly pay 700 dollars a month to rent a property worth 30k
mircea_popescu: you people are getting gypped over there big time.
Duffer1: we know :(
mircea_popescu: but i mean... 4.5x ? come on. it's real estate not nuclear physics.
mircea_popescu: 10, 15, 17% more i can see. 450% ?!
pankkake: I doubt prices are the same in the whole US
Duffer1: there are too many reasons that compound the issue
pankkake: if you want to laugh, come to Paris
mike_c: i've been renting for 15 years and have not found that to be true.
mircea_popescu: pankkake this was spurred by a guy's data re central ohio. meanwhile i had intel check it out
mircea_popescu: it is eerilie universal to the us, yes.
mircea_popescu: just property values vary.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 4880 @ 0.001 = 4.88 BTC {2}
mircea_popescu: mike_c california and ny stand out as exceptions
Duffer1: far higher than normal right?
Duffer1: "normal"
mike_c: well, if it is true in the midwest, it is likely related to the fact that nobody can get a mortgage anymore in the us.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 30000 @ 0.001 = 30 BTC
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 exaggerate to hell property values, which make rents a smaller proportion but also exaggerated to all hell.
mircea_popescu: hardly a "fix"
mircea_popescu: mike_c no, it's really the baseline that's hidden from you because in california rents are what, 1300 minimum
mircea_popescu: so that scrunches up the curve.
mike_c: hah. 1300 would be awesome. i paid 2100 in CA.
mircea_popescu: you're still being taxed 50k for the priviledge of existing, it just shows up less in the %s
mircea_popescu: mike_c minimum, ya know ?
pankkake: is housing out of official inflation statistics?
mircea_popescu: pankkake obviously.
mike_c: whatever is inflating is removed from the inflation statistics.
Duffer1: hehe
peterL: yeah, housing and food are not included in CPI calculations, IIRC
mircea_popescu: i had not previously realised the us is on such a weak footing, tbh. i mean i had a general notion, but i never cared enough to examine the real estate situation.
pankkake: food isn't either? lol
mircea_popescu: not to mention you idiots - as there's no better name - still don't use torrens.
mircea_popescu: what in the actual fuck, is it 1785 in the us ?
Duffer1: torrents?
mircea_popescu: jesus.
pankkake: that's the two things that indeed have inflated big time in the last years
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 torrens is a title registration system
peterL: what's torrens?
mircea_popescu: which makes it quite feasible for me to buy up real estate personally
Duffer1: never heard of it
mircea_popescu: rather than having to hire some "experts"
mircea_popescu: to fucking fleece me.
mike_c: please. having to hire a lawyer, real estate agent, title company, escrow agent, etc, etc. is totally reasonable!
mircea_popescu: totally.
peterL: MP, I currently rent a house for about twice it would take to buy it with a mortgage, but because of my credit I cannot get a morgage to buy a house.
mircea_popescu: i never used ANYONE. not a real estate agent, title company or escrow. ever.
Duffer1: wouldn't matter even if we did use such a system, housing as you pointed out is is obscenely expensive
mircea_popescu: all i used was a half hour of notary public time, cost me ~35
Duffer1: add to that the 35year olds and under have less than zero wealth
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 it's only obscenely expensive BECAUSE of such restrictions
mircea_popescu: peterL yeah well, how much you paying and what's it worth ?
Duffer1: those agents take their fees on top of list price
Duffer1: remove them and list price is still the same
mircea_popescu: i never hired one.
peterL: I have not estimated exactly what a mortgage would cost for a while, but it is $1000 rent, house is maybe $90000
mircea_popescu: think, millionaire in the 3rd world, never used as much as a real estate agent.
mircea_popescu: peterL you're not getting gypped quite as bad as the average.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.0601 = 0.2404 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: which, incidentally, is one of the deep causes of us real estate bubbles, i am coming to realise.
mircea_popescu: it's not loose money policies that cause those, and loose money policies don't cause them in the eu.
mircea_popescu: it's the ingrained notion learned through experience by all us inhabitants that the more you pay the less you're gouged
peterL: My previous house sold for about $30000 and is renting for $900 a month
mircea_popescu: which is wrong, but they look at the percents.
mircea_popescu: on top of that, loose money bubbles the real estate. because they'd rather be the guy paying 1k for a 90k property
mircea_popescu: than the guy paying 700 for the 30k property.
mircea_popescu: obviously it's easier to inflate than to improve.
mircea_popescu: peterL EXACTLY.
mircea_popescu: quite frankly, i can not see how anyone'd put up with this arrangement.
peterL: let me guess, you were investigating "rentalStarter"?
mircea_popescu: peterL it started there.
peterL: care to share your thoughts on the business?
mircea_popescu: why, you know something i don't ?
Duffer1: land owners charge what they can, citizens with zero savings pay what they have to
Duffer1: rent goes up
mircea_popescu: the judgement of the business pivots on the judgement of the guy, as it's tghat small. he seems clever and dilligent but how do you ever know.
peterL: he should have listed on MPEX instead of BitFunder?
mike_c: it's turning btc into housing. i don't see how that will work out.
mike_c: it is a btc divestment.
mircea_popescu: mike_c well, it's going long fiat. there are situations where one'd want that.
mircea_popescu: take the x.eur, roughly same on that score.
mircea_popescu: you obviously wouldn't think of buying the thing otherwise than "buying an us future with a built in interest rate"
pankkake: it allows small real estate investments, where they are usually quite complicated (and taxed)
pankkake: and tradeable
mircea_popescu: pankkake that's the only reason this may make sense, the guy seems to know the situation on the ground
peterL: If you expect bitcoin to stabilize, then it could be a good way to invest in real estate.
mircea_popescu: or it could be a good way to run from btc if you consider it drops.
pankkake: I'm already invested in real estate, and I feel like I'm sitting on a bubble :D
mircea_popescu: just, not the usual "it's been 5 days, any updates ?" sort of "investing"
mircea_popescu: this requires more long term thinking.
peterL: OK, who wants to help me buy a house and I will pay rent in bitcoins?
mircea_popescu: pankkake unless there's a war, $30k detached housing in ohio CAN NOT be a bubble.
mircea_popescu: my mind farts when i consider this
mircea_popescu: a car costs more for fuck's sake.
pankkake: I'm not confortable investing in real estate where I don't know the market, too
mike_c: it will also never be worth much more.
mike_c: so, income stream, ok. good luck outpacing btc appreciation.
pankkake: but would you put 100% of your savings in bitcoin?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
mircea_popescu: possibly not. who's to know ?
peterL: You want to see how low it can go, Detroit is not far from Ohio
mircea_popescu: peterL afaik ohio does not have the monoindustry problem
mike_c: hah. good point. they will pay you to take housing in detroit.
mircea_popescu: but obviously, before buying in one'd have to very seriously consider awhole host of things.
mircea_popescu: which is what investing is.
mircea_popescu: mike_c you know, california is going detroit before ohio is.
mike_c: yes. you have to start higher to crash that low.
mircea_popescu: ohio has flyover zone immunity. california has nothing, hollywood's dead and sillicon valley is losing it.
mircea_popescu: all it can come up with these days is a very thin sliver at the very top and a very wide base of ycombinator retards.
mike_c: and ycombinator is the thin silver on top of the 1000 yc copycats.
pankkake: it's the 2000s all over again
peterL: At least California has better weather than Ohio or Detroit
mircea_popescu: mike_c and they got nothing, all they have is css devels.
Duffer1: googling "torrens" in the u.s. gives nude photo results >.<
mircea_popescu: they're gonna revolutionize the way people do rounded corners.
pankkake: california has sluts / porn right?
peterL: MPEX say "CSS? What's that?"
pankkake: but it's mobile-first responsive css!
mike_c: that bubble has already started popping though. the "series A crunch" is the term for the million crappy startups that are dying. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ;;google torrens title
gribble: Torrens title - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torrens_title>; Torrens Title System - Legal Dictionary - The Free Dictionary: <http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Torrens+Title+System>; Torrens title register - Land and Property Information: <http://www.lpi.nsw.gov.au/land_titles/public_registers/torrens_title_register>
mircea_popescu: mike_c ikr
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 7000 @ 0.001 = 7 BTC
Duffer1: https://www.google.com/search?q=torrens&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=qIe0UrHLOMTmoATk4oHQBQ&ved=0CD0QsAQ&biw=1011&bih=657
Duffer1: nsfw
pankkake: at my ex-ex job I really wondered how all our stupid clients got their funding
pankkake: they all basically wanted to be the facebook-twitter of SOMETHING
pankkake: they had the most overcssed websites
pankkake: webpages that would belong in a magazine, not a browser
mircea_popescu: pankkake "useless stupid unwanted money that nobody knows what to do with"
pankkake: and no business plan obviously
mircea_popescu: to quote the sitll living classics.
pankkake: would be better invested in hookers and blow
Duffer1: or a one way plane ticket
the20year: I don't understand it either pankkake
the20year: They all want to rehash the same exact stuff, and yet they somehow get millions of dollars of funding
the20year: When I have a valid idea, one that's already profitable, and i'm having so much time
pankkake: I guess simple yet profitable ideas are not appealing to bored old men with too much money
the20year: Problem in Ohio is no one wants to develop rental property since it's a get rich slow scheme. Real estate development can return several milion dollars in just a 9 month development phase
the20year: Michigan doesn't have a monoindustry problem , Detroit has one though
nubbins`: hi
mircea_popescu: the20year is what i meant.
mircea_popescu: i don't imagine they were talking michigan when saying detroit.
the20year: Real estate can be very, very localized when talking about problems. I could give you a dozen markets in Michigan I'd love to be in
peterL: mircea_popescue: would MPEx list something like RentalStarter, or is that too removed from bitcoin investing?
pankkake: I hope what I did with my appartment - making it not look like moldy ass - will get it some price boost
the20year: and a dozen here in Ohio I don't want to touch with a 10 foot pole
mircea_popescu: peterL it might, depending. contrary to what forum muppets think mpex is quite open
mircea_popescu: if you got a business and a plan you got a shot.
peterL: oops, mircea_popescu, sorry, I always want to put an e on the end of your name :(
nubbins`: ah, the joys of home ownership
pankkake: eheh. I hope one day I'll be worthy of MPEx
nubbins`: i just spent $275 on a new circulating valve for our tenant's furnace
pankkake: first step would be get my hand out of my ass
the20year: I can buy a new furnace for $550 :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00090673 = 4.987 BTC [-] {2}
the20year: The one thign that helps us out on the upkeep is that we go through the house on purchase and essentially rebuild the whole thing
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: often gutting is the best option long-term
nubbins`: this pump that failed was an old pump that they re-used when the new furnace was put in
the20year: We don't completely gut , but anything that's close to its end of effective lifespan gets replaced
nubbins`: lasted all of 3 years
the20year: how old is hte furnace?
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: the furnace itself is maybe 4 years old
the20year: Oh wow
nubbins`: yeah
the20year: one option that I considered, but it just didn't work out for us was to buy a home warranty
nubbins`: just too costly to upgrade to electric heat
the20year: are you on gas?
nubbins`: oil
the20year: Ah, oil is by far the worst of the worst
the20year: highest efficientcy is 80% on a furnace, most are 60%-70%
nubbins`: nod. this one is actually a hot water circulating furnace
mircea_popescu: Real estate development can return several milion dollars in just a 9 month development phase << i know a guy that blew up a fortune trying and failing at that.
nubbins`: more of an ebb-and-flow than an instant-heat sort of system
mircea_popescu: it's a fucking movie script of a story
the20year: i'm not too familiar with all the types of oil ones
the20year: mircea_popescu: plenty fail
the20year: The saying when I got into real estate was "Make money in wheelbarrow fulls, loose money in dumptruckfulls"
nubbins`: the20year: basically it's a standard oil furnace, but instead of heating air and pumping it through vents, it heats a large water reservoir that is then circulated throughout the house to radiators
mircea_popescu: and the us does niot have an inflation problem
the20year: Even worse
the20year: I've seen one radiant water heater manage to destroy about $15,000 worth of flooring
mircea_popescu: nubbins` that's how most europe is heated, except natural gas not oil.
the20year: natural gas in the US is very, very efficient and cheap
mircea_popescu: the20year wall attachments are standard.
nubbins`: it's not a bad system, because you retain the heat after the furnace stops firing
mircea_popescu: and the bathroom heated towel rack.
mircea_popescu: the20year same all over the world.
the20year: Yeah, but the water part is the problem. Using a high flash point oil is much better
the20year: I pay about $80/mo in the winter to heat my home
nubbins`: and the cold water going to the water boiler for the faucets/shower gets pre-warmed by the waste heat from the furnace, so that helps
mircea_popescu: about the same here.
mircea_popescu: you know, amusingly, most us folk i know think romania is a sort of ohio.
nubbins`: but oil is just expensive. no sweat to drop $450+ a month in the winter
the20year: Yeah
the20year: I'd much, much rather be on wood than oilk
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: i'd fucking LOVE a wood stove
nubbins`: but downtown st john's is all 100-year old wooden row houses
mircea_popescu: last i checked wood here was ~$22 a stere meter.
the20year: how so mircea_popescu? The Ohioans I know that have been there said it was nothing like Ohio in terms of society or economy......maybe the land is similar
nubbins`: and as much as i'd love wood, i'd love to continue having home insurance even more
mircea_popescu: the20year climate :)
the20year: Growing up we always got wood for free
the20year: Climate I'm sure is similar
the20year: Past 6 years has had mild winters, but this winter has been the worst in 20 years
the20year: and we're not to the 'real winter' part of it
mircea_popescu: romania had that last yearl ol.
nubbins`: $80/mo is fucking great to heat a home
mircea_popescu: lemme dig some picks
nubbins`: what size are we talking here?
the20year: Sure it is nubbins`
the20year: 1100sf
nubbins`: ah
the20year: @ 70f winterlong
the20year: if we pulled it back to 65 or so i bet we could do it for $50/mo
nubbins`: this place is around 1600sqft, split over 4 levels. average elec bill is $230/mo
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2010/a-nins-a-nins/
ozbot: A nins ? A nins pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: there we go.
mircea_popescu: ;;google 1600 sqft in sane units of measurement.
gribble: Metric 4 US - Why Metric is the Better System: <http://www.metric4us.com/why.html>; Units: S - The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill: <http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/dictS.html>; Millennium Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Force>
nubbins`: that's heat, appliances
mircea_popescu: sigh. no ai yet, eh google ?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: consider that canada is ostensibly metric and i don't know the square metrage of my house
mircea_popescu: ~150.
the20year: who's the naked lady?
mircea_popescu: kinda crampy. i have a 220 sq m ground + 170 2nd floor here.
mircea_popescu: the20year my dog.
mircea_popescu: well, was. moved on, got married.
mircea_popescu: i guess now she's someone's mom.
nubbins`: yeah, i can spit from wall to wall here
nubbins`: it's nice for shared living tho, sound doesn't travel well between floors
the20year: So are you located in romania mircea_popescu?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` also keeps people well exercised, with all the floors
mircea_popescu: the20year atm yeah
asciilifeform: i might be the 'submarine' champ here. 32 sq. m.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8354 @ 0.00090613 = 7.5698 BTC [-]
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: nod, the "studio" is split between the 3rd floor and the basement. sometimes finding your pencil is a workout
nubbins`: the20year: are you the guy from the forums who was looking into buying rental properties in halifax?
nubbins`: or was that someone else
the20year: not me
nubbins`: okay, i think he was doing similar to you but in canada
the20year: once i released info on what i wanted to do, like 20 people copied it
the20year: Another guy in Ohio, one in Detroit, one in alberta, one in NS , one in scottland
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 100 @ 0.02245589 = 2.2456 BTC [+] {3}
pankkake: asciilifeform: 32m² here too. though I have a big ass cellar
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2594 @ 0.00012 = 0.3113 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wow, that's russian style.
mircea_popescu: the20year i wouldn't be too worried about that if i were you.
mircea_popescu: pankkake fun fact : the one room, high 20s to low 30s sqm thing is called "garsoniera" in romania, comes from garcon.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.29486997 = 2.0641 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: u.s.ian analogue 'man cave' ?
mircea_popescu: i guess so
the20year: i'm not worried since i was the first one in
mircea_popescu: it has no derrogatory nuance here tho
pankkake: well we have the garçonnière. the place where married men fuck other women
mircea_popescu: the20year copycats have this magical way to a) fail and b) do all the expensive dangerous research for you.
mircea_popescu: pankkake so that'd be a filletiere.
mircea_popescu: pronounced filthy-'ere
jurov: it's named so there as well
pankkake: "imitation is the most sincere form of flattery"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1250 @ 0.00012 = 0.15 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i now wonder what the french word for the place where married men fuck other men would be.
pankkake: folletière
ThickAsThieves: monsieuriere
mircea_popescu: hahaha i like monsieuriere
mircea_popescu: that's where catholic priests fuck your children.
ThickAsThieves: fellatiere
mircea_popescu: hahaha
ThickAsThieves: its got fella and fellate
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.04878997 = 1.1222 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: cant beat that
mircea_popescu: gentlemen, i am glad we've assembled such a crack team of creative linguists on this venue.
ThickAsThieves: its better than the sexting word they made
mircea_popescu: by the way, has the "hate speech" crowd managed to make crack a hurtful reference in gay contexts yet ?
ThickAsThieves: textopornographie
ThickAsThieves: sounds like an Extreme album
mircea_popescu: TPG!
mircea_popescu: tghe french invented this initialism bs which then the us army/govt copied
mircea_popescu: as they've copied all the bad ideas the french ever had since about 1905
mircea_popescu: 1805*
jurov: merde!
pankkake: initialism is mostly our administration
the20year: who?
pankkake: where they invent stuff that must have a good initialism. like EDVIGE (sounds like Edwige the female name) for the police spy file
pankkake: "Exploitation documentaire et valorisation de l'information générale" basically means "Data Stuff"
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: it basically means "word soup"
mircea_popescu: and how is edvige a "good" anything. it fails to be an obscure female name.
truffles: what kinda frenchman takes it from a Romanian !
pankkake: EDVIGE is arguably better than SRTRKRTS because you can pronounce it
mircea_popescu: you can pronounce the latter "skirts"
pankkake: after all, people manage to pronounce SCSI…
mircea_popescu: which sounds a lot like the romanian "scirt," which means "big whoop" which as stephen fry would put it, works.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: ah, those are called bachelor pads here
nubbins`: re: tiny homes
mircea_popescu: i thought re catholic priests.
the20year: One of my biz associates said there's a few RE investment firms looking to expand and want to talk to me
nubbins`: heh
the20year: They're all in limited geographic areas and don't want to branch out, which is one of the problems i'm trying to mitigate early on
mircea_popescu: so that;s good.
the20year: Yep
mircea_popescu: .d
ozbot: 908350862.43702 | Next Diff in 90 blocks | Estimated Change: 31.0535% in 0d 10h 13m 39s
the20year: ouch
mircea_popescu: nothing can save it nao.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2119 @ 0.00012 = 0.2543 BTC [+]
pankkake: probably santa mining with the gifts
KRS|Gotyawallet: see the mtgox press release dec 19?
the20year: no?
KRS|Gotyawallet: Now that we are working with MoneyPolo, a leading financial company that is in-tune with the future of Bitcoin, anyone with a verified account will be able to quickly send money to their MtGox account via 128 global currencies.
KRS|Gotyawallet: https://www.mtgox.com/press_release_20131219.html
ozbot: Mt.Gox - Bitcoin Exchange
the20year: wow
KRS|Gotyawallet: yeh
KRS|Gotyawallet: ...then they're like BAM!
mircea_popescu: send money TO wasnt ever a problem
KRS|Gotyawallet: oh it was getting it out
mircea_popescu: and moneypolo is "leading" in the very limited universe in which mtgox also matters.
KRS|Gotyawallet: well...mt gox isn't designed like that. Between bad trades, fees are supposed to eat up your moneies anyway so getting fiat out isnt a problem.
KRS|Gotyawallet: I would think it should work both ways though.
asciilifeform: same universe that 'dwolla' existed in?
mircea_popescu: dwolla is about a degree of magnitude larger
mircea_popescu: sure, it's a tiny start-up, but still.
asciilifeform: (i still can't read 'dwolla' without thinking of nigerian spam. must be the consonant cluster.)
KRS|Gotyawallet: A: Withdrawals are coming with MoneyPolo, but not just yet.
the20year: is moneypolo licensed in the US/
mircea_popescu: KRS|Gotyawallet :p
nubbins`: <pankkake> probably santa mining with the gifts <<< lel, isn't that bad for his chi?
mircea_popescu: if you've learned anything in this chan, it's reading betwixt the lines
pankkake: "we need to replete our fractionnal reserve first"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think they named it african-sounding deliberately because sexually insecure california white hipster doofuses.
mircea_popescu: either that or someone got stuck on wala-wala.
mircea_popescu: (a small town hipster retreat close to seattle)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 40661 @ 0.001 = 40.661 BTC
ThickAsThieves: neobee shareholders are surprisingly good at signing wallet messages
ThickAsThieves: and there is definitely a correlation to qty of shares held
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7157 @ 0.00090757 = 6.4955 BTC [+]
benkay: what's alt-hopping pool of auto-cashing-out-in-btc repute?
KRS|Gotyawallet: mining different alt coins to capitalize on their value in hopes of trading up to more btc than otherwise would be mined directly?
KRS|Gotyawallet: i can quickly point my asics to mine different alt coins based on their profitability and go back if need be..auto cash out at preset levels
mircea_popescu: benkay i don't think one exists, tho there'd make defionite sense
TomServo: middlecoin?
benkay: that's it.
benkay: thanks TomServo.
mircea_popescu: one coin to rule them all or how did it go
TomServo: been going crazy lately
mircea_popescu: tbh i thought middlecoin was a coin not a pool
TomServo: nope
TomServo: I read somewhere earlier today the operator is doing something like $6K daily on 3%, if I remember correctly
mircea_popescu: there's a pool charging 3% which actually gets hash ?! wow.
TomServo: paid out 3208.42671599 BTC so far
mircea_popescu: pretty smart thing, anyway.
mircea_popescu: who's the guy ?
TomServo: h2odysee or something like that?
mircea_popescu: myeah. ok, this is an example of starting up right. joined in may 2013, by july he had a useful service.
mircea_popescu: kudos to him.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 203 @ 0.001 = 0.203 BTC
TomServo: agreed. Definitely some secret sauce involved, choosing whichever alt is the best at the time
TomServo: folks claim he made a killing on doge, but won't admit it
TomServo: hah
mircea_popescu: folks like to think their stupidity is what makes the world turn.
mircea_popescu: and won't face any alternative explanation.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if his stats are accurate 3k paid out means he made 100 btc.
mircea_popescu: 6k a day, but for two weeks.
TomServo: Yes, the 6k is a very recent thing
mircea_popescu: more like 500 a day irl, not that such a thing is bad
TomServo: You see the graph?
TomServo: middlecoin.com
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: just forcing the point that "6k one day" != "6k a day"
TomServo: a fair point, I wasn't intending to misconstrue
mircea_popescu: this reminds me of the good days of porn
mircea_popescu: cca 1995 or so
the20year: For webmasters or what?
mircea_popescu: for "guy starts service, 3 months later he's making 500 a day"
mircea_popescu: just out of nowhere, like that. basically electricity is about as ubiquitous as cunt, and i guess crypto is electricity porn
mircea_popescu: weird how geek tastes change.
FabianB_: "anyone with a verified account will be able to quickly send money to their MtGox account via 128 global currencies." <-- 128 currencies? I only see 4 countries moneypolo operates in, how could that be 128 currencies?
mircea_popescu: FabianB_ max halfshortint ?
mircea_popescu: aka mtgox-pr
FabianB_: guess so
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.00091096 = 34.4343 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00091394 = 7.4029 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7750 @ 0.00012 = 0.93 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 66 @ 0.002799 = 0.1847 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3161 @ 0.00012 = 0.3793 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 341 @ 0.00090757 = 0.3095 BTC [-]
jcpham: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1tcgox/my_first_month_of_bitcoin_the_good_the_bad_and/
jcpham: 1 month pro
mircea_popescu: lol
ThickAsThieves: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2013/12/canada-lifts-all-restrictions-prostitution-2013122015318412319.html
ozbot: Canada lifts all restrictions on prostitution - Americas - Al Jazeera English
ThickAsThieves: Nubbins can work in peace now!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 27 @ 0.04878997 = 1.3173 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: lolwut?
mircea_popescu: canada is starting to sound pretty ocol.
ThickAsThieves: "Only day trade with what you are willing to lose completely."
ThickAsThieves: pretty horrible day trading
jcpham: there's much wrong there
asciilifeform: children - like playing with matches. news at 11...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12424 @ 0.00090592 = 11.2552 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: only eat what you are willing to shit completely
mircea_popescu: lmao
asciilifeform: no
asciilifeform: in this case,
asciilifeform: 'only shit what you are willing to then eat.'
mircea_popescu: mor like only shit what you've completely eaten, uyeah
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7253 @ 0.00090592 = 6.5706 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5832 @ 0.00090445 = 5.2748 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 73 @ 0.04878997 = 3.5617 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 100 @ 0.02021217 = 2.0212 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 93 @ 0.00280075 = 0.2605 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal also weighed in: "I remember when TV networks believed in the First Amendment. It is a messed up situation when Miley Cyrus gets a laugh, and Phil Robertson gets suspended."
ThickAsThieves: http://gawker.com/what-is-duck-dynasty-and-what-does-it-have-to-do-with-a-1486356857
ozbot: What Is Duck Dynasty and What Does It Have to Do With a Man's Anus?
Duffer1: i only knew about it from all the damned facebook spam "ZOMG ITS AND OUTRAGE LIBRUL MEDIA INTELIGENTSIA!!!!1111111"
mircea_popescu: it's the perfect storm for the us, really.
mircea_popescu: top rated show star gets canned for "hate speech" while quoting the bible.
Duffer1: i die a little inside every day :/
mircea_popescu: it's finally worked itself into the perfect storm, this deep seething conflict.
mircea_popescu: a perfect illustration of the incredible damage lincoln's imbecillity did to that country.
the20year: what imbecillity?
Duffer1: after the civil war we should have just let the south separate
mircea_popescu: if the slavery question were allowed to die out rather than used as a pretext for a war, you wouldn't still be fighting over the mason-dixon line in 2013 ffs.
the20year: certainly would have been a very interesting situation
mircea_popescu: it's my considered opinion that if you make the sorted list of people that have hurt the us, lincoln tops it
mircea_popescu: bush may be in the top 5, but lincoln tops it.
TomServo: Can we hear all 5?
the20year: It can be hard to speculate how different things would be if we could swap decisions out
Duffer1: the harm done by lincoln was necessary imo, even if slavery was one of many reasons for the war, emancipation still needed to occur
TomServo: Yeah, I'm having trouble imagining how the question would 'die out'
the20year: There could of potentially been a slow transition
mircea_popescu: TomServo roosevelt probably not in there, as shocking as that may seem. hoover for sure tho.
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 emancipation was occuring anyway.
the20year: how do you rate hoover over FDR?
mircea_popescu: hardly half the inheritors of slaves intended to keep them past the death of their parents.
mircea_popescu: the20year that's a huge discussion tbh
mircea_popescu: TomServo because slavery was fundamentally an economic interest, and it is economically ineffectual. it WAS already dieing out at the time of the war
mircea_popescu: however, it was dieing out in a sustainable way, rather than creating the black ghettos that the war created.
Duffer1: even if they didn't intend to keep them, southern laws forbade their existence outside of any context that didn't revolve around a white master
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 slavery laws in the south were evolving, like any body of laws.
mircea_popescu: if you look at their evolution, the thing was doomed anwyay.
the20year: And slavery today isn't very popular at all , outside of sexual slavery which is a whole other ballgame
Duffer1: slavery laws weren't modernized until the 50's and 60s, i believe you're underestimating southern racism
the20year: And it's not like slavery was only existant in the US, as with anything ,money drives the gears
the20year: Duffer1: do you live in the south?
Duffer1: i grew up in texas
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 souther racism as you know it today is wholly the creation of the war.
mircea_popescu: it was entirely a different thing in 1820.
the20year: The thing is , of all the souterners i Know , none really were racist, but i've known plenty of ohio natives that were extremely racist. Heck my great uncle was in the KKK
mircea_popescu: in fact, pre-war southern racism is closest to modern day view on criminality.
mircea_popescu: you could argue that the way criminals are handled today is chiefly designed to keep them criminals
the20year: That's about right
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, people don't generally intend this.
Duffer1: they do
mircea_popescu: but the southerner recognised an extremely varied and complex hierarchy. black = slave = chattel is about as oversimplified as one can get.
Duffer1: it's a for-profit prison system
mircea_popescu: yeah, well.
mircea_popescu: so what's the gain of the war ? picked a different nigger to pile on ?
mircea_popescu: criminals "just happen" to be mostly black anyway, hooray for progress.
the20year: I'm not aware of any gain
TomServo: how was it economically ineffectual?
mircea_popescu: TomServo you get more gdp per capita out of 100 barristas trying to write hollywood scripts
mircea_popescu: than out of 100 field hands picking cotton.
the20year: Correct
Duffer1: the only gain from the war was emancipation, poverty was guaranteed regardless, except for those that left
the20year: Slaves were extremely ineffective at work, however a 'free' black was significantly more valuable
the20year: Look at price rates for irish vs germans vs blacks in new york state in the 1800s
TomServo: I knew I'd be displaying my ignorance asking that, ah well. Thanks.
the20year: It's a wonderful system we have here
the20year: While the rights of everyone gets trampled on over failed social projects
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 poverty was NOT guarantgeed regardless.
mircea_popescu: this is like saying famine in 1950s germany was guaranteed regardless.
mircea_popescu: when you go bomb the shit out of the infrastructure the end result is you'll be poor.
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Duffer1: it was illegal for them to own anything
mircea_popescu: that varied.
mircea_popescu: you familiar with the expression "sold down the river" ?
Duffer1: even if they stayed they were fully dependent
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 ^
the20year: Not all of them
Duffer1: i've heard the expression
mircea_popescu: what do you think it means ?
Duffer1: sold to a harsher plantation owner
mircea_popescu: exactly. but looky : it is an act of betrayal, fundamentally.]
mircea_popescu: for there to be betrayal there must be trust. trust is the substance of contracts, which is exactly antithetical to how black-white relations are customarioly represented.
mircea_popescu: it is in fact the way the whites of the time represented them to themselves, mostly.
mircea_popescu: and now, the fact that upriver conditions are softer and downriver harser kind of proves that the situation is in fact evolving
mircea_popescu: rather than a set in stone thing.
mircea_popescu: which is the whole of my argument really.
Duffer1: i dunno, i feel it's a case of a little leaven fermenting the whole lump
mircea_popescu: perhaps.
the20year: With regards to racism?
mircea_popescu: on the other hand saying that the civil war the direct result of the southerner's staunch opposition to high taxes and unsound money coming into conflict with lincoln's vision of a leviathanesque all-controlling state.
mircea_popescu: that vision has meanwhile been realised, and unsurprising anyone with a clue, you mostly don't like it.
ThickAsThieves: i think most americans are more apathetic than that
the20year: There was a pretty interesting quote made by a southern general after the war, i need to dig it up, being just about that. And that over time the civil war would be made about slavery and nothing else
mircea_popescu: perhaps.
mircea_popescu: the20year nothing new in this world except the history you never read and all that.
mircea_popescu: obviously the statal propaganda machine will have tried to make it all about a simple, cut and dried issue.
mircea_popescu: the soviet's (failed) invasion in afghanistan was also about greater justice.
Duffer1: macro economics isn't as eye catching as the horrors of slavery
the20year: Essentially his quote was that he, nor anyone he knew in the south fought for slavery, but against federalism. And that it would be replaced with slavery as time went on since education in the south would likely be federalized by notherners
mircea_popescu: basically obama's ideas that he can arrest anyone at any time for any rteason ?
mircea_popescu: it has ample precedent. that precedent is the government of lincoln.
Duffer1: or bush as a more modern example :P
mircea_popescu: not any sort of country anyone'd wish to live in, but then again people living in shitholes rarely get the choice.
the20year: 19th century history is pretty simplified too, for public consumption
the20year: (With war leadups being my complaint) as far as it is in US schools
the20year: granted, i was taught in school that the civil war was bout states rights and money :D
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Duffer1: they claimed "states rights" meanwhile they were trying to unite the south in its own federal control and mandate a single religion
Duffer1: they didn't want states rights, they wanted the north to stop telling them what to do
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 arguably this may have been the case.
mircea_popescu: had it been the case i'd have perhaps had a different name to top my list
mircea_popescu: but as it is, lincoln carries it.
mircea_popescu: but obviously no conflict in human history was between the good and the evil. even if no conflict in human history failed being depicted as such. by both sides, of course.
Duffer1: i think lincoln is a good choice, the damage done is undeniable
Duffer1: he was even deporting reporters to canada
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Duffer1: the precedent set the stage for massive constitutional overreach
mircea_popescu: that's a machine that's still slapping people today.
Duffer1: yep :/
the20year: So, why hoover?
mircea_popescu: hoover because he's to this day the prototype of every corrupt cop going into the service to feel up young women and beat up boys.
mircea_popescu: name one sane thing he did.
Duffer1: herbert?
mircea_popescu: j edgar
Duffer1: seems j edgar fits that definition way better
the20year: I thought you were talking about herbert, as edgar wasn't president
Duffer1: arguably more powerful though
mircea_popescu: it doesn't have to be presidents does it ?
Duffer1: dude was pure evil
the20year: Not that I like herbert, he's on my top bad president list
the20year: i assumed the list was US presidents
mircea_popescu: i dunno, seems kind-of not-notable, herbert.
the20year: Smoot hawley is why I don't like him
mircea_popescu: the20year no, i said "people"
the20year: Which destroyed the potential legacy of coolidge
the20year: ah
the20year: in the US or worldwide?
the20year: because no US citizen would take my top 5 bad people list
mircea_popescu: people.
mircea_popescu: as long as they're people dun matter where they're born or what function they get.
the20year: So you'd take lincoln over pol pot?
mircea_popescu: how's pol pot hurt the us ?
mircea_popescu: in general you'll find most damaging are the insiders, not the outsiders.
mircea_popescu: admittedly exceptions can exist, but still.
the20year: Guess I was confused as to the list
Duffer1: american assholes, top 5 :P
mircea_popescu: it's not "bad presidents", it's "people that hurt the us"
the20year: Nevermind, list of people who have hurt the uS
mircea_popescu: making a list of "bad" people generally is really an exercise in measuring the weight of air, in air, with a scale and weights made out of air.
mircea_popescu: cloudwatching, basically.
Duffer1: hehe
mircea_popescu: pt barnum might be on the top 10.
Duffer1: oo interesting
Duffer1: without the circus the bread isn't enough?
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mircea_popescu: well, i have some respect for the variety tradition, but barnum is a sort of paul little without a cause.
jurov: what about oprah winfrey?
mircea_popescu: possibly us entertainment sucks so bad to this day because him.
mircea_popescu: jurov well i don't include live people.
mircea_popescu: (paul little = max hardcore, the cheap makeup and vomit porn guy)
mike_c: who are the top 5 people who hurt romania?
mircea_popescu: carol the 2nd definitely tops that.
the20year: And top 5 for france?
mircea_popescu: stalin, hitler... small country in europe whadda ya want.
Duffer1: ;;wikipedia carol the second
gribble: Error: "wikipedia" is not a valid command.
mike_c: hehe carol: Known more for his romantic misadventures than for any leadership skills,
mircea_popescu: guy was an outrage.
mircea_popescu: france got hurt bad by hitler, perhaps worse by wilhelm,
mircea_popescu: the schmuck that joan of arc wanted on the throne ain't so good either, and then with the 1789 revolutions you got plenty of nutty socialists to pick from
the20year: Petan?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, top 100 maybe.
mircea_popescu: why's he notable ?
mircea_popescu: (petain you mean, the vichy guy ?)
the20year: vichy
mircea_popescu: you know before vichy he was the one guy in the top brass that objected to their nutty "infantry charge" tactics
mircea_popescu: on thegrounds that well... bullets kill.
pankkake: not sure about Petain himself, but the Vichy gov started a lot of shit that are still going on today
mircea_popescu: (since we're doing this : guy kept fucking around, and eventually married, aged 60. the woman's name was hardon)
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mircea_popescu: mike_c guy's father, carol 1st however, is probably the model monarch.
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pankkake: many forms of unique IDs, the ponzi retirement system, minimum wage, daylight savings, mother's day
mircea_popescu: bah, father. wasn't his father, they were barely related, nm me.
mircea_popescu: pankkake the ponzi retirement system was invented by von bismarck.
mircea_popescu: his idea was that people will have incentive to keep killing each other so as to avoid ponzi effects.
pankkake: the fun thing is that those things are usually claimed as own "victories" from the left!
the20year: Of course they are
mircea_popescu: you get better anal sex when the girl regards taking it in the ass as her own, personal victory.
asciilifeform: 'ponzi retirement' had ample precedent: 'Tontine.'
pankkake: though right after the war he had the healthcare thanks to communists
mircea_popescu: kinda why porn is so important. makes sex better for everyone.
asciilifeform: tontine <- 16th c.?
pankkake: does tontine work with debt?
pankkake: I thought it was just a pot
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fun fact : "tont" is one of the many ways to say dumb in romanian.
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the20year: mircea_popescu: if we released rentalstarter to mpex, how much funding do yo uthink we could raise?
mircea_popescu: i don't think god himself can answer that.
mircea_popescu: s.nsa raised ~500 btc, if memory serves. s.mg ~10k. s.dice about 50k or so. s.bvps if i recall correctly about 100
Duffer1: do you have a target 20?
the20year: Depends on terms, i'd love to raise more capital via shares, as long as I can keep some equity in it, but i'd prefer just standard bank leverage
the20year: If more shares and i get to keep equity, around $100k USD
mircea_popescu: you'll definitely be keepiong a 50% stake.
the20year: That's good to hear :D
mircea_popescu: well you have to, the way the contracts are made
mircea_popescu: (mpex shares are non voting. as a result, the operator has to maintain majority)
the20year: Right now the way it's written if we can hit $250k in capital, I get a performance bonus
mike_c: a performance bonus for raising capital?
mircea_popescu: that seems odd.
mircea_popescu: is it mostly your friends and family backing you so far ?
the20year: $250k based on the initial investment of $92k , or a total growth of 271%
mikaeldice: Increased investment isn't growth
the20year: I meant capital growth in terms of equity/assets in the company
mircea_popescu: normal talk makes producers walk...
the20year: lol
the20year: in other words i shouldn't be typing when i'm doing 5 other things and not paying attention to what goes on IRC
pizzaman1337: any person that wants to list on mpex first needs to pay the registration fee, right?
mircea_popescu: irc is your life. you will honor it as if it iwere your life.
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 there's fees to list, yes.
the20year: and blood oaths
pizzaman1337: different from the registration fee? how much is it?
mircea_popescu: there's not an "it", this isn't aluminum siding.
Duffer1: ;;google mpex list fee
gribble: Loper OS » A Review of MPEx, the Bitcoin Stock Exchange.: <http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1108>; English - MPEx: <http://mpex.co/faq.html>; MPEx - Bitcoin: <https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/MPEx>
mircea_popescu: bwahaha asciilifeform look at that! you're now an authority!
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pankkake: only because trilema is banned?
benkay: mircea_popescu: what is the listing fee?
mircea_popescu: o it is ?
mircea_popescu: benkay there isn't a fixed fee. you negotiate it when you list.
benkay: ah.
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KRS|Gotyawallet: i'd wait til it goes on sale to list
mircea_popescu: ya, that strategy worked great for the ppl wanting accounts :D
KRS|Gotyawallet: lol
mircea_popescu: i stgill have mail going "whatg, 500 dollars for a seat ?! THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!! HOW DARE YOU!!!"
KRS|Gotyawallet: i heard once a year there are complimentary seat offers
KRS|Gotyawallet: lol still
mircea_popescu: yeah, bring 6 friends get yours free.
KRS|Gotyawallet: so if i buy 6 seats i can resell 7 thats tight
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Duffer1: ha
KRS|Gotyawallet: theres actually decent volume..just need to work on the graphics a bit :D
mike_c: wow that link on ascii dissecting mpex. I guess a few things have changed since february.
KRS|Gotyawallet: im retro like that, i dig ascii too..nothing like simplicity.
mircea_popescu: io dun even recall waht it says. is it bad ?
mike_c: not really bad. but conclusion is that he's not plunking any money down on mpex. now he has a company listed there.
mircea_popescu: lol
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mircea_popescu: jurov : pr! check it out.
asciilifeform: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/20/us-usa-security-rsa-idUSBRE9BJ1C220131220
ozbot: Exclusive: Secret contract tied NSA and security industry pioneer
mircea_popescu: ha!
asciilifeform: the only real news here is the actual cash value of one particular bribe.
mircea_popescu: rsa sold out fort 10mn
Duffer1: i wonder if that makes rsa legally vulnerable to fraud suites
mircea_popescu: chjeap.
asciilifeform: to be fair, we see the carrot, but not the stick.
asciilifeform: 'execs can also have problems. and here, have $10m.' is rather more humane than 'execs can also have problems. get down on yer knees, ready to please.'
mircea_popescu: selling s.nsa shares.
mircea_popescu: will take three us govt brass daughters per.
mircea_popescu: if twins or dungeon broken, 2 per.
Duffer1: dungeon broken?
asciilifeform: 3.5 if they can run a reflow line.
Duffer1: i think i'm too young to hear that one
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mircea_popescu: like housebroken, but for the other kind of pets.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no see, if they can run a reflow line they get to sit at the table with the adults.
Duffer1: ohh i thought it was a euphemism for.. well n/m
Duffer1: tell us how long it takes before nsa contacts you
Duffer1: about changing gpg to something less secure
mircea_popescu: herp.
mircea_popescu: they'll have to come beg here, like everyone else.
asciilifeform: nsa did write me a letter once: 'dear mr. s, we regret to inform you that we have no openings matching your..... '
mircea_popescu: so if you see a lot of "plz to change gpg it is hard to use" you can guess it's them.
Duffer1: does s.nsa have any marketing budget? / plans to set up shop at security conferences etc?
mircea_popescu: yes / maybe if we find a good outsourcer.
benkay: outsourced person to do conference show-upping?
mike_c: outsourcing evangelism is tough for such a technical product.
mike_c: anybody qualified would be expensive!
Duffer1: cardano seems pretty simple, even i got it
asciilifeform: what will be interesting is: once the idiot imitators show up.
asciilifeform: (and insist, through their misfortunes, on providing free marketing for the real deal.)
Duffer1: hehe
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asciilifeform: not unlike, if i'm not mistaken, what is happening with mpex.
mike_c: PR stunt: pit cardano against that website that guesses your number
mircea_popescu: mike_c gotta give the twentysomething enthusiasts a way in.
asciilifeform: mike_c: i wrote that. (or actually, johnny von neumann did.)
asciilifeform: mike_c: someone actually did this with an rsa keyfob!
asciilifeform: the fob lost.
mircea_popescu: the current bs they do, setting up shop and pretending like they matter and exist is for the ducks.
mike_c: hehe
mircea_popescu: the correct way is to do for instance conference evanghelizing for s.nsa fior a uyear.
mircea_popescu: you wanna be a car executive you don't show up at the vp meeting acting like you belong there
mircea_popescu: unless you want to sleep in jail.
asciilifeform: the game in question, for anyone on whom it has not been inflicted:
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/manmach.html
ozbot: Man vs. Machine.
BingoBoingo: Speaking of efforts to make GPG more easy to use, this is happening http://goteo.org/project/gnupg-new-website-and-infrastructure
mike_c: fuck! i hate that mindreading robot.
mike_c: fail. http://i.imgur.com/JKY7bwv.png
Duffer1: .bait
ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6t381DAbS1qbvikdo1_1280.jpg
Duffer1: how dare you speak ill of ozbot
mike_c: ozbot is a good robot that does what its told. ascii's robot reads my mind in uncomfortable ways.
mircea_popescu: is that a birthmark or a beltmark ozbot ?
Duffer1: let me look at it some more
mircea_popescu: mike_c here's a bomb for you : there exists a sequence which makes the bot get 0%
mircea_popescu: this is what nsa paid asciilifeform 10 bazilion for.
jurov: mhm jurov 100: machine 98
mike_c: hehe. well, i could write a counter-bot pretty quickly since he provided the source code.
BingoBoingo: Has radioactive decay improved its entropy to compete with the Cardano yet?
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
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mircea_popescu: !b 2 ✂︎
mircea_popescu: mike_c i give you an hour. .1 btc if you manage.
mike_c: done. go.
mircea_popescu: #bitcoin-assets hackhaton.
ThickAsThieves: i forgot my hat
mircea_popescu: but in the interest of sanity : obviously radioactive decay is purely entropic. the methods people use to try and extract that entropy however... tsk.
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KRS|Gotyawallet: i see you know a thing or two about physics mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: like 1.5
KRS|Gotyawallet: postulate quantum mechanics much?
mircea_popescu: supposedly i was a theoretical physicist in my youth
KRS|Gotyawallet: its a bit of a fun distraction for me
KRS|Gotyawallet: i've been reading about that sort of thing since i was just a kid
KRS|Gotyawallet: the higgs discovery on mass earlier this year was phenom
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