nubbins`: well they do a pants-check
mircea_popescu: why do they keep bundling olymptics with the lame&tard mockfest
mircea_popescu: is the idea someone will somehow consider them the same thing somewhere sometime ?
nubbins`: i think it's more because everything is already set up
mod6: things that make you go "hmmm." The last Olympic games where medals were made entirely of gold was 1912.
nubbins`: why break down the tables after the boy scouts banquet if the girl guides banquet is tomorrow?
mircea_popescu: so basically, since i have a bed anyway, some guy unrelated might as well come take a nap.
nubbins`: sure, yeah, if you're in a hotel.
mircea_popescu: mod6 100% gold is a problem tho.
mod6: If the London 2012 Games medals were made from solid gold, they would cost £25 million to make.
mircea_popescu: it's practically chocolate
mod6: HAHAH
mircea_popescu: comes off on your fingers
nubbins`: heh
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i wouldn't go to that hotel, cause im fucking cool, being the olympics.
nubbins`: heh.
nubbins`: i didn't think 100% gold was a thing, anyway.
mircea_popescu: and no you can't have my knife, this isn't a cafeteria, it's a restaurant
mircea_popescu: etc
mircea_popescu: didn't he say completely ?
nubbins`: entirely, but yes
nubbins`: 1912, i'd say they were lucky to get three 9s of purity
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.124 = 0.248 BTC [-]
nubbins`: this is based on no research, but i stand by it
mircea_popescu: nah, you can get infinitely pure gold even on 1800s tech
mod6: Olympic Gold medals are required to be made from at least 92.5% silver, and must contain a minimum of 6 grams of gold.
mod6: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_medal
ozbot: Gold medal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
nubbins`: infinitely? not likely
nubbins`: 99.999% is the best i've ever heard of
mircea_popescu: nubbins` only limited by your patience
nubbins`: and bankroll
mircea_popescu: well eyah
nubbins`: but still!
nubbins`: five 9s is, i think, the record
mircea_popescu: actually, you can prolly get three 9s at home in your kitchen
nubbins`: nod
nubbins`: diminishing returns after that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
nubbins`: i think generally five 9s isn't done often because it's not worth the trouble
mircea_popescu: pretty much
nubbins`: altho once you're set up, no big deal
nubbins`: canada sells 99999 bullion at ~spot
nubbins`: untold $ to set up that sort of facility tho, no doubt
mircea_popescu: not really, man. just wash it in acid, piss in the thing
mircea_popescu: repeat until you're bored.
nubbins`: i think it would take me a while to get bored with pissing on gold
nubbins`: wow, they didn't even award gold medals until the 3rd modern olympics
nubbins`: was only silver/bronze for the first two
mircea_popescu: gold is valuable, yo.
mircea_popescu: almost like bitcoin
nubbins`: btc medal
mircea_popescu: (fun fact : even at the height at the gold standard, gold was RARELY seen in commerce if at all
mircea_popescu: most shopkeepers could live an entire shopkeeping life without ever seeing a gold coin)
nubbins`: but don't worry, stackers, you'll totally be able to use your krugerrands to buy groceries when SHTF
mircea_popescu: yeah, totally.
the20year: Ammo is much more useful
the20year: Just as good as a commodity as gold/silver, but can be used :)
punkman: cow might be better
mircea_popescu: i'd totally want to go hunting with a suppply of bullets that's spent the past three years being handled and knocked around in pockets by 5000 dorks.
the20year: Animals i'm sure could be used, but they're not easily transportable.
mircea_popescu: prolly shoot myself after the first two hours
the20year: Most of the guys that I know that stockpile ammo are keeping it in the factory sealed cans. In the US we get quite a bit of warsaw pac stuff that was designed to have 300+ year shelf lifes
mircea_popescu: yeah, but this is before shtf.
herbijudlestoids: john hussman is my fav fund manager...every monday he releases a weekly market comment, its a happy read for me http://hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc140210.htm
benkay: if you're really hedging against needing lots of bullets wouldn't it be better to throw down the cash for a milling machine and buy the individual chemical components?
nubbins`: i've got my doubts that any bullet would pass through more than a couple of hands after shtf
benkay: then mill the components into powder on demand?
nubbins`: benkay, what's a milling machine?
mircea_popescu: benkay down the same route : wouldn't the best investment be a large supply of keys to already installed cock cages ?
nubbins`: is that one of those weird things that doesn't work anymore since the shtf?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` no because it's hand operated by cockcaged slave guys
the20year: Depends benkay, the components are stockpiled by plenty of people, but not everyone has the knowhow to reload, and most shooters dont' trust other people who reload the ammo
benkay: no, no. a hand-cranked mill that mills powders into well-mixed other powders.
the20year: Too easy to doublecharge something and blow someone up
nubbins`: the20year, that's actually perfect
benkay: cock cages?
nubbins`: "i'll trade you 1 bullet for that chicken"
the20year: The chemical components are extremely expensive for modern powders and highly controlled, or you could buy a 8lb, or 24lb jug of mixed powder
nubbins`: guy takes your bullet, blows his face off
nubbins`: then you get all his chickens.
mircea_popescu: lol
the20year: The US did that in vietnam quite a bit, filled enemy bullets with high explosives and let them kill themselves
nubbins`: sneaky
mircea_popescu: and they totally won o nthat strategy
nubbins`: ^
nubbins`: well they got all the chickens anyway
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it was mostly desperation, by that point. wasn't that widely employed, but hey. anything to maybe get an edge
the20year: For what it was, it was pretty effective, granted the US military foray into vietnam in of itself was idocy
nubbins`: ever try fighting a man who just ate a full chicken?
nubbins`: he doesn't want to be at it
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids "are about double the level that would generate historically adequate long-term returns"
nubbins`: "fuck off dude, srsly"
the20year: It's slightly more diffcult than people who are nearly starving to death, ala stalingrad/leningrad
mircea_popescu: i'd say the man is well within range. that's about where i see it too.
nubbins`: ;;ticker --market btcc
gribble: BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 739.2467, Best ask: 739.248349, Bid-ask spread: 0.00165, Last trade: 739.2467, 24 hour volume: 5719.74300000, 24 hour low: 739.2467, 24 hour high: 742.401237, 24 hour vwap: None
the20year: I hope the end of CNY helps prices
nubbins`: ;;ticker --market btce
gribble: BTC-E BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 696.0, Best ask: 698.499, Bid-ask spread: 2.49900, Last trade: 695.599, 24 hour volume: 12327.09818, 24 hour low: 671.0, 24 hour high: 730.0, 24 hour vwap: 700.5
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: he is a genius
nubbins`: the end of cny?
the20year: ;;ticker -- market coinbase
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)
nubbins`: i guess i could have just done --market all
the20year: chinese new years, from what i had been told it has a pretty dramatic on all economics involving china
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: called both the 2000 and 2007 top and both 2003 and 2009 bottom (altho he lost out on the 2009 bottom)
the20year: I know that in my brother's case he's been waiting on $20k+ of materials and the new years delayed it
mircea_popescu: publicly ?
nubbins`: the20year, not just china
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: publicly
mircea_popescu: pretty good.
the20year: Yeah, you're right, but china was just noted in this case becaus of BTCchina
nubbins`: nod
the20year: ;;market all
gribble: Error: The "Market" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "all" in it. Try "list Market" to see the commands in the "Market" plugin.
the20year: ;;ticker market all
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)
nubbins`: --market
the20year: ;;ticker --market all
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 610 @ 0.00085181 = 0.5196 BTC [-]
nubbins`: heh you flooded gribs
nubbins`: ;;ticker --market all
the20year: I give up
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 669.001, vol: 19663.61274054 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 685.16, vol: 15162.33167109 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 698.497, vol: 12321.14734 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 685.23, vol: 9677.87031879 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 712.0, vol: 0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 739.2467, vol: 5719.94200000 | Volume-weighted last average: 687.664329714
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 669.001, vol: 19663.81537946 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 685.17, vol: 15159.21567109 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 698.6, vol: 12321.14734 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 689.0, vol: 9677.87031879 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 712.0, vol: 0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 739.2467, vol: 5719.94200000 | Volume-weighted last average: 688.270486674
nubbins`: :(
nubbins`: sorry you guise
the20year: Coinbase is $720, not too bad, that's typically who we use to get usd to fiat and what not
mircea_popescu: dudes srsly, you can just pm gribble
nubbins`: i said sorry D;
the20year: My brother actually pitched the idea of bitcoin to a higher level manager at DHL, and coinbase contacted him to pass some information to DHL, i guess coinbase has some pretty neat programs for large organiations
cazalla: yeah well my dad knows the CEO of DHL
the20year: They need to listen to whomever their top guy in Ohio is then :D
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: he had one issue in 2009 when he was insisting to stress test their method against depression era data, so he missed that bottom in trade but did call it
the20year: My brother sends enough DHL packages I guess that they want to start a hub or branch or whatever where he's located
the20year: herb, this is the fund manager you talked about earlier?
mircea_popescu: how old is the guy ?
cazalla: My brother sends twice as many DHL packages as your brother
mircea_popescu: i bet nubbins dad could be sent to ohio by cazalla's dad
mircea_popescu: in a package
nubbins`: no doubt
nubbins`: anyway, just kidding, if my dad was a cop i'd kill myself
the20year: he'd enjoy our weather
mircea_popescu: then he could do a hood jump and arrest putin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00085067 = 13.1429 BTC [-] {2}
the20year: How is romania right now in terms of snowfall mircea_popescu?
mircea_popescu: the entire thing melted and it smells like spring
mircea_popescu: here.
the20year: Nice
nubbins`: -17c overnight here
mircea_popescu: the rest of the country, well... some snow. nothing huge.
nubbins`: basically the same
the20year: I had to shovel a 2ft high ice wall last night
the20year: Car slid off road today into a guard rail. This is the worst winter I've ever had to drive in
herbijudlestoids: the20year: yeah
mircea_popescu: some people from somalia had to drive to kenya or something
cazalla: we've had heat wave after heat wave over the past few weeks in australia
mircea_popescu: to get out of the disaster area
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: um, i guess 40ish?
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids trying to discern if i should have his history dug up or not.
the20year: we're gonna hit -17c a few times next week
nubbins`: maybe all this weird weather is from not burning enough dinosaur mud
mircea_popescu: cazalla well now we finally know who's causing all the global warming. STOP IT
the20year: Our record low with windchill so far this year was -50
cazalla: a few weeks back we had 40c+ for 5 days straight
nubbins`: fun fact, we have a ton of offshore oil fields here, and they just burn off all the natural gas on site instead of doing something useful with it
the20year: Is that pretty untypical?
cazalla: i had to bring my meat rabbits inside
the20year: Nubbins, you in the US or somewhere else?
nubbins`: eastern canada
the20year: No mister for them caz?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.07080001 = 0.708 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00086515 = 0.173 BTC [+] {2}
the20year: They used to do that all the time locally, but anymore they bottle/compress it or something else
nubbins`: well that would be the sensible thing
the20year: The compression systems aren't cheap, but i did manage to find one a few years ago that ran off of natural gas
the20year: so your only imput was natural gas, output was compressed or liquified
cazalla: the20year: nope but i don't think that'd done much for them in 40+ heat for 5 days
cazalla: do*
nubbins`: i have a hard time believing that the compression systems are so uneconomical that the better solution is to just waste it all
the20year: We have 40c days here in Ohio and that's usually what they do
nubbins`: makes me wonder
the20year: I'm sure it all depends on how much gas
nubbins`: nod
the20year: the one I looked at took 50% to 70% of the input to compress it
nubbins`: huh.
the20year: Specifically, i was looking at building a methane digester and compressing the gas
mircea_popescu: nubbins` maybe the hassle of getting permits is such that they're just making a point.
the20year: Compressing NG isn't cheap
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, there's no such thing as a hassle here
nubbins`: if you want to plunder resources
nubbins`: they'll name a building after ya
mircea_popescu: lol
nubbins`: "we have height restrictions on all buildings in the downtown core"
nubbins`: "we are a large company that wishes to build a highrise"
nubbins`: "lel jk about that restriction thing"
the20year: nubbins, you in alberta?
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids http://www.hussmanfunds.com/theFunds.html << why the fuck is he -5% over 5 years
nubbins`: the20year, east coast
nubbins`: was married in alberta tho!
the20year: ah
the20year: NB, quebec or some such?
nubbins`: NL
the20year: nl?
nubbins`: easternmost province in canada
the20year: nm
the20year: i didn't realize people lived there
nubbins`: ...
ThickAsThieves: https://openex.pw/index.php?page=trade&market=111
ThickAsThieves: someone put altcoin in an exchange
nubbins`: consider yourself realized, i guess :D
ThickAsThieves: Rawt
ThickAsThieves: sorry
ThickAsThieves: r3wt
nubbins`: a newfoundlander invented the gas mask!
the20year: cool
the20year: you were once a british colony
nubbins`: the first giant squid corpse ever found washed ashore here!
nubbins`: yes, until 1949
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: basically in 2009 he mandated that they stress test their method on pre WW2 depression era data to validate it, and consequently missed the bottom. by the time he was satisfied the market had returned to overbought/overvalued/overbullish/rising yields state
the20year: Payment for fighting ww2 :)
nubbins`: the20year, we didn't "fight" in ww2 :)
herbijudlestoids: so hes been essentially fully hedged since 2009 and paying for the puts
the20year: Canada was certainly involved
mircea_popescu: this is incredibly stupid ;/
nubbins`: yes, for sure
the20year: Granted, many times under control of idiotic english generals
nubbins`: most newfoundland men of age were slaughtered in ww1
mircea_popescu: so he's fighting the fed on his shoestring budget ? what is this, the internet ?
nubbins`: we didn't send any soldiers for ww2
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: it turns out in hindsight that their method would have worked perfectly but he wanted to be sure
the20year: Canada - The poland of the commonwealth
the20year: I meant canada in General
nubbins`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaumont-Hamel_Newfoundland_Memorial
nubbins`: anyway, newfoundland was british for both world wars
nubbins`: mildly funny to see canadian flags flown on remembrance day here
mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/6880f31099d85c43fedb66c430111269/tumblr_mkhcyrDViE1r7ryano1_500.jpg
the20year: they fly US flags in hawaii and Alaska during our veteran memorial days
the20year: I guess it's better than flying the UK flag
nubbins`: heh
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: well he doesnt really view the "fighting the fed" angle as valid, he doesnt believe QE has any proven mechanism for higher prices and shows pretty convincing data on that front. his view is the rally since 2009 is entirely attributable to the FASB mark to unicorn rules
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, saved
nubbins`: ;p
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids a distinction ultimately without a difference
the20year: fasb?
herbijudlestoids: ;;google fasb
gribble: FASB Home: <http://www.fasb.org/>; Facts About FASB: <http://www.fasb.org/jsp/FASB/Page/SectionPage&cid=1176154526495>; Standards - FASB: <http://www.fasb.org/jsp/FASB/Page/LandingPage&cid=1175805317350>
mircea_popescu: the us cook your books authority.
nubbins`: fasb, flambeeing and sauteeing books
herbijudlestoids: lots of new blocks churning on altcoin today
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids the argument isn't that in an actually functioning economy with actual accounting and reporting the virtual equivalent of the fed could prop up prices by printing paper.
the20year: NL did manage a artillery regiment in ww2
mircea_popescu: the argument is that in the actual dysfunctional economy as it is, without any accounting or reporting, the fed can SAY it did anything it pleases, and SAY it had whatever effect it choses
herbijudlestoids: so wut? does that have any proven link to higher stock prices? no
herbijudlestoids: the whole point of the hussman funds is to invest based on proven transmission mechanisms
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only way to profitably invest in equity in the soviet us is by being friendly with the us politburo.
herbijudlestoids: breadth, valuation, sentiment, rates, etc
the20year: So do you have seasons in NL
mircea_popescu: that'd be the only proven and conceptually sound transmission mechanism,
nubbins`: the20year: ah, ya learn something new every day
mircea_popescu: and i wonder why's he not lobbying then.
the20year: I'm big on ww2 history, it was pretty easy to find out whether they sent infantry, i was pretty sure they sent something
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: there were entire communities here essentially wiped out by ww1
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: you might like this article http://hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc100823.htm
the20year: Yeah , that was pretty common with commonwealth troops during WW1. All the colonies got screwed by England when they started having manpower shortgages
the20year: Australia had sometimes similarissues, but more canadians were involved in events like passendale and the somme that obliterated large division sized units
herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: yo you around?
the20year: And they kind of had the similar opinion/use of commonwealth troops during ww2, just look at dieppe
nubbins`: yeah, there's some connection between newfoundland and passchendaele
nubbins`: the details escape me
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids his model is fundamentally broken. the relative prices of currencies are to a large degree fixed politically.
the20year: 67k deaths, 150k wounded just abotu for canada and australia each
the20year: 4.5m total aussies at that time, 7.5m canadians at that time
nubbins`: war: not so much of a lel
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20185 @ 0.00085153 = 17.1881 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1510 @ 0.00019 = 0.2869 BTC [+] {3}
ThickAsThieves: <herbijudlestoids> ThickAsThieves: yo you around? --- for a few minutes or so
herbijudlestoids: damnit, i forgot what i was going to ask you lol
herbijudlestoids: oh right, is there a blockchain explorer up for altcoin?
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: atc.blockr.io
ThickAsThieves: i'm rolling the dice and sending some btc to this exchange
ThickAsThieves: the guy seems to have a history of outing scammers
ThickAsThieves: maybe he's okay
herbijudlestoids: thx.
Duffer1: to r3wt?
ThickAsThieves: yeah
mircea_popescu: what's the exchange ?
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust r3wt
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user r3wt: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=r3wt | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=r3wt | Rated since: never
ThickAsThieves: https://openex.pw/index.php?page=trade&market=111
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so tell him to get in the wot first
mircea_popescu: if he does your chances just improved 10x
BingoBoingo: r3wt doesn't exactly have a history himself of being reliable...
Duffer1: he scammed some guys he devd a coin for by premining the shit out of it
Duffer1: but manned up and apologized on the forums, hasn't changed his ID
mircea_popescu: he's like 19 n'est pas ?
nubbins`: that's essentially an adult
herbijudlestoids: herbi haz found 0 blox :(
mircea_popescu: nubbins` only for fucking.
ThickAsThieves: okay i asked him to join
ThickAsThieves: we shall see
nubbins`: http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/09/world/europe/denmark-zoo-giraffe/
ThickAsThieves: <Duffer1> he scammed some guys he devd a coin for by premining the shit out of it --- isnt this like impossible to get away with?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19215 @ 0.00085181 = 16.3675 BTC [+]
Duffer1: he claimed some technicality in their agreement or some such nonsense
mircea_popescu: he basically figured the op is retarded
ThickAsThieves: well get them all in wot and we'll see who weighs what
Duffer1: this was a few month ago at least
ThickAsThieves: which reminds me
ThickAsThieves: shameless request that anyone who hasnt rated me and has good reason to, please do
mircea_popescu: which wasn't that far off, the op went into a hysteria of nutty posting
ThickAsThieves: ;;gettrust thickasthieves
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user thickasthieves: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=thickasthieves | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=thickasthieves | Rated since: Sat Mar 2 11:19:18 2013
nubbins`: lel
nubbins`: nice graph
nubbins`: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/crack-pipe-vending-machines-a-boon-to-vancouver-users/article16769973/?cmpid=rss1
benkay: babeface walked into a sharp thing on my mother's pilates reformer last night, and then went running/sledding drunk and naked in the snow afterwards. now she's dancing around the apartment wincing and cursing whenever she lands on the bum leg.
benkay: it's lolarious.
moiety: ThickAsThieves: don't
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Only in Canada where your Mayors endorse them
nubbins`: just one mayor
nubbins`: anyway, 25 cents for a crack pipe
nubbins`: not a bad deal
mircea_popescu: benkay you know you'll eventually have to put up a feed.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.000475 = 0.475 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: people piss and moan about "oh this just enables/encourages etc"
nubbins`: bullshit
nubbins`: "pipes are a quarter? maybe i'll try smoking rocks"
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Just one Mayor that has been Caught. Eventually your Marion Berry will find their Kwame Killpatrick
nubbins`: my who and their who?
benkay: nubbins`: how can you be cool with crack pipes and not pmbs?
nubbins`: benkay, i'll leave that as an exercise to the reader
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: DC Mayor and Detroit Mayor, both liked crack
nubbins`: you seem smart, you should be able to figure it out :D
nubbins`: BingoBoingo, ah :D
benkay: nubbins`: what, crack addicts are addicted already?
ThickAsThieves: <moiety> ThickAsThieves: don't what?
benkay: i seriously do not get it. consider it a flaw of youth, and this your opportunity to larn me a thing.
nubbins`: you just posed a tautology as a question
nubbins`: benkay: we have free universal healthcare here in canada.
nubbins`: know what's cheaper than AIDS treatment?
nubbins`: a 25 cent crack pipe.
benkay: doesn't really address the heroin side of things, though.
nubbins`: sure
moiety: ThickAsThieves: i mean r3wt. just don't.
benkay: but mitigates i guess?
ThickAsThieves: oh
nubbins`: there's a supervised injection site in downtown vancouver
nubbins`: same thing.
nubbins`: junkies using dirty needles = healthcare burden
nubbins`: plus, outreach
benkay: no to be flip but idiots with btc = scam burden
moiety: junkies. = healthcare burden
nubbins`: some junkie goes to Insite to shoot up, not only does he not give himself hep/aids, but he's now in a room with people who can encourage him to seek treatment
nubbins`: moiety: not necessarily
nubbins`: and even then, there are degrees
moiety: how? they are using healthcare, if not for their habit, for the issues it brings them later down the line
nubbins`: okay, but everyone is using healthcare
moiety: yep
moiety: some more than others
nubbins`: yes
nubbins`: the guy with hep c, for example, vs the guy without
nubbins`: or, put another way, the guy who shared a needle vs the guy who got a clean one
nubbins`: junkies are going to shoot up whether they have clean digs or not
moiety: or any guy using a needle clean or dirty vs a guy who doesn't
moiety: which is a burden
benkay: everyone's a burden on healthcare, moiety. idiots who eat too many carbs and develop diabetes are vastly more expensive than junkies.
nubbins`: the purpose of safe injection sites is to prevent junkies from getting hep c and try to get them to clean up
moiety: totally agree with you there benkay
nubbins`: anyway, the big mistake people make is thinking that safe injection sites, free crack pipes etc "enable" drug users
nubbins`: which is laughable
moiety: it is, if they want it they will get it
nubbins`: exactly.
nubbins`: social conservatives struggle with this concept
moiety: cleaner practice is always the ideal
nubbins`: 76% of vancouver residents support the existence of Insite
nubbins`: think about that: THREE QUARTERS of a major metropolitan city would rather the junkies have a safe, clean place to shoot up
moiety: i think 100% would rather not see them staggering/laying around places either
nubbins`: oh, sure
moiety: this way, they are contained too
nubbins`: the other side is dirty needles
nubbins`: you want 'em in the streets or in a sharps container?
moiety: you get a lot here
benkay: just a short slide from locking all of the undesireables up in crappy hi-rises. i endorse.
benkay: "have some tv, water, food-paste, sharps, internet. go to town, kids! just don't leave the tower."
nubbins`: they busted a house across the street from a dive bar i frequent some months ago
nubbins`: found a GOLF BAG full of dirty needles
nubbins`: FULL.
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> junkies are going to shoot up whether they have clean digs or not << the solution isn't to let them do w/e they want cause otherwise they hold their breath
mircea_popescu: the solution is to not provide any healthcare out of public funds for any drug user.
mircea_popescu: you ever used drugs in your life ? tough. gotta pay now.
dub: thats more expensive
nubbins`: that's only a solution in la-la land
mircea_popescu: no, it's a solution in reality. the lala land is the presumption that anyone is worth something.
dub: dead body in the gutter causes more problems
nubbins`: ^
dub: costs more than healthcare etc
mircea_popescu: while recent tech boom allowed such nonsense be financed by squandering resources that'd have been better used elsewhere,
mircea_popescu: overall the gravy train is going away
nubbins`: so how do you determine if someone has "ever" used drugs
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you test em
dub: its kinda like the argument for not fucing up the environment then dealing with it later
nubbins`: test them for what?
dub: oh wait
mircea_popescu: for your definiton of drugs
nubbins`: know what's cheaper than a drug test?
nubbins`: a 25 cent crack pipe.
mircea_popescu: i don't give a shit really.
dub: know whats mostly untestable
nubbins`: lsd?
mircea_popescu: dub no it's not. you telling me a heroin addict is untestable for junk ?
dub: after a matter of days, yes
mircea_popescu: IF he waits a few days
mircea_popescu: then no prejudice.
dub: stupid argument anyway
mircea_popescu: hah. stop sidestepping.
dub: its like arguing that prostitution be illegal
mircea_popescu: no, it's not at all like that.
dub: people are going to do it, there is an efficient way to deal and its not filling up jails
mircea_popescu: you can afford drugs, you can afford to pay the hospital bill.
mircea_popescu: do your math and make up your choices.
nubbins`: well that's the thing
dub: or exterminating people or whatever your solution is
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nubbins`: there isn't an "Afford drugs"
mircea_popescu: dub there's no "dealing". its not your motherfucking job to solve idiots problems
mircea_popescu: let them rot.
nubbins`: you're gonna steal flatscreen TVs to pay for a hospital stay?
dub: if you want an efficient society it is
mircea_popescu: nubbins` shot on the spot.
mircea_popescu: you stole a tv ? bang.
mircea_popescu: next ?
nubbins`: what's the cutoff
nubbins`: suppose you steal a loaf of bread
nubbins`: shot?
mircea_popescu: bang.
nubbins`: or just lose a hand
dub: steal a look at random chicks tits?
mircea_popescu: there's no cutoff. you're caught stealing that's it for you.
dub: some would say bang
mircea_popescu: dub nah, all that bs copyright shit is going away.
nubbins`: well
nubbins`: i can't see any flaws in this line of thinking
nubbins`: you just solved crime and drug addiction
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mircea_popescu: you're not "dealing" with people./
mircea_popescu: you make simple rules and enforce them drastically.
mircea_popescu: that's it.
dub: do the maths
mircea_popescu: okay ?
nubbins`: not really okay
nubbins`: maybe for romania, no idea what things are like there
mircea_popescu: it's actually okay whether you like it or not. a la bitcoin.
nubbins`: in canada, it's generally accepted that people don't want things the way you describe
mircea_popescu: nobody cares what people want
nubbins`: lel
mircea_popescu: first on the list, the people themselves.
nubbins`: you're a character
mircea_popescu: people can want in one hand and piss in the other, see which fills first.
nubbins`: the want hand fills first here
mircea_popescu: da fuck did "want" become a legitimate argument anyway
benkay: well you're filthy communists.
nubbins`: liberal utopia
nubbins`: i can get my doctor to prescribe me weed
nubbins`: and the government will sell it to me
dub: you have to pay?
nubbins`: $5/gram
dub: thats a bit harsh
mircea_popescu: anyway, fwiw, in my experience works splendidly. whether you're working to destupidify women, or to build an exchange, or anything else.
nubbins`: yeah i know dude
mircea_popescu: simple rules, draconic enforcement, sayonara.
dub: except its never worked before
dub: and probably never will
mircea_popescu: dub far as i've seen it;s the only thing it ever worked.
mircea_popescu: course people who dislike shit working tend to scream it doesn't work, but hey.
mircea_popescu: do the gedankenexperiment, as asciilifeform calls them :
mircea_popescu: you go to class of schoolkids, lay down the rules for what they have to do till next class. whoever didn't do it is beaten till they pass out.
mircea_popescu: kids will scream as to how "this doesn;'tg work"
mircea_popescu: six months later ALL the kids in that class do ALL the homework ALL of the time flawlessly.
nubbins`: and ALL grow up to be normal adults and not psychopaths
mircea_popescu: and suddenly lolcatting isn't quite as appealing either,
dub: maybe at the cost of most of thier utility
nubbins`: here's another gedanken
mircea_popescu: nubbins` definitely more normal than the current crop.
mircea_popescu: dub kids have 0 utility as it is now you kidding me ?
nubbins`: alice takes oxycodone after her back surgery, bob takes oxycodone for the lels. alice and bob go to the hospital complaining of a bum knee.
nubbins`: which one gets healthcare and which one gets turned away / shot?
dub: as should be obvious, the better way to acheive your subservience is to addict you to drugs and tv
mircea_popescu: alice wants oxycodone for her surgery she stays in the hospital.
mircea_popescu: problem solved. next ?
nubbins`: hospital stays are a burden on the taxpayer, problem unsolved
mircea_popescu: dub my point being that you don't want subservience, you want competence.
dub: yeah wtf
dub: a bed for everyone that needs pain relief?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` not quite.
nubbins`: ^
mircea_popescu: dub who needs "pain relief" when they're stuck in hospital ?
nubbins`: ^ humans?
mircea_popescu: people need pain relief if you let them outside.
mircea_popescu: you'd be surprised.
nubbins`: yeah dude, shit doesn't hurt in the hospital
dub: havent you seen the matrix?
mircea_popescu: suddenly it's a well this oxycodone is kinda cool, but im stuck here for a day cause of it.
mircea_popescu: i guess i maybe don't really need it anymore.
nubbins`: okay, so you have a herniated disc
mircea_popescu: so you do.
nubbins`: your choices are stay in the hospital for 6 months or deal with unbearable chronic pain for 6 months
mircea_popescu: yup.
nubbins`: sounds like it'd work in practice
mircea_popescu: what, you think herniated disks were invented AFTER oxycodone ?
nubbins`: wait, no it doesn't
mircea_popescu: tell you what, it's only unbearable cause you're used to being a sissy
mircea_popescu: pain is eminently bearable.
nubbins`: well if we're being obstinate, suppose alice has a job that she can't perform when experiencing high levels of pain
mircea_popescu: of all things it's actually the most bearable. as people die of thirst in a coupla days and of hunger in a coupla months
nubbins`: or do we just shoot everyone who hurts their back?
mircea_popescu: but you can be in pain indefinitely and it won't kill you.
dub: spoken like someone that doesnt know pain
mircea_popescu: nubbins` tough for her, she no longer has that job.
mircea_popescu: dub of everyone here i'm the only guy that gets his teeth fixed w/o anesthesia i'd wager.
nubbins`: okay, so what does she do now?
mircea_popescu: also probably the only guy to have ever been shot etc.
nubbins`: jobless and in pain
mircea_popescu: nubbins` tough for her.
mircea_popescu: next time she'll be more careful.
nubbins`: no, tough for the hospital staff she shoots
mircea_popescu: she shoots my ass.
dub: pff minor league
nubbins`: if your ass is in the door, yes
mircea_popescu: you give alice way too much credit while simultaneously giving her way too little credit.
mircea_popescu: if she's cool enough to start shooting she's cool enough to take it on the chin and move on.
nubbins`: you use "tough" like it's an explanation more often than an intelligent person should
mircea_popescu: because im confronted with "but mommy i don't like X" way more often than any sane person should.
punkman: mircea_popescu: I skip the anesthesia at the dentist, hate having a numb face for 4 hours after
mircea_popescu: so good for you.
mircea_popescu: how unbearable is it ?
punkman: but it's hard to stay still for the bigger fillings and shit
nubbins`: anyway, as lovely as this little "kill everyone" scheme sounds
mircea_popescu: supposedly tooth pain is way up there on the scale.
mod6: i went without the stuff until i had 4 teeth drilled without it. that sucked.
nubbins`: tooth pain is a bad one
punkman: I definitely sweat a bit, not that unbearable
nubbins`: inner ear pain is tough as well
mod6: i must be getting soft
mircea_popescu: mod6 i'm not proposing some never anesthesia bs incidentally.
mircea_popescu: just illustrating the point that there's nothing unbearable about pain.
mircea_popescu: it may not be what you want to be doing, sure,
KRS-One: wut
nubbins`: so replace "unbearable" with "excruciating" or w/e
mircea_popescu: but then again that's not the criteria now is it.
nubbins`: you're getting caught up in semantics
KRS-One: pain sucks and i wont bare it
dub: replace unbearable with 'prevents you from being fully utilised'
mircea_popescu: eh bs.
nubbins`: so alice can't get pain meds without a costly hospital stay
punkman: chronic pain is different, it can really wear you down
dub: enough to blow your retarded argument away
mircea_popescu: this utilitartian angle is not going anywhere dub
nubbins`: alice decides to self-medicate with booze
benkay: no nubbins` this 'kill everyone' is the actual plan. all of the above are just implementation details.
nubbins`: wait, shit, now we've got drunkards everywhere driving cars and beating their kids
mircea_popescu: nubbins` if that;s what she does good for her.
KRS-One: nubbins` I think pot is the best pain killer that isnt made in a lab
nubbins`: KRS-One, but drugs tough etc
mircea_popescu: nobody said she can drive a car drunk any more than she can have oxycodone outpatient style.
nubbins`: you should not be allowed to smoke pot unless you are in a hospital
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: who's to stop her?
mircea_popescu: you can smoke pot whenever you want, who cares.
KRS-One: nubbins` alcohol is way worse than pot..you can't overdose on da ganja either
nubbins`: so pot is fine but oxycodone isn't?
KRS-One: oxycodone is great anytime of the day or week.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` pretty much heroin is the only entry on my list of "drugs"
nubbins`: innnnteresting
mircea_popescu: your list may vary at your leisure, the argument is list independent
nubbins`: sounds like there's not much drug use in your town
mircea_popescu: kids and their pills mostly.
dub: no, they kill and eat drug users
mircea_popescu: dub no, they just don't have this "omg what do you want" culture yet
dub: clearly a winning strategy
mircea_popescu: so the society is reasonably functional still.
mircea_popescu: yeah, actually it is, dubsy.
nubbins`: heroin isn't even really a thing here
nubbins`: cocaine and pills
nubbins`: mostly
mircea_popescu: think of utility in the following terms : people making on average 300 bucks here when rents are on average 350 bucks
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dub: it probably is a thing there
mircea_popescu: go outside the little park in their projects to FIX THE BENCHES
mircea_popescu: with their own tools.
nubbins`: i do have to lel when i see people jam most of an 8ball up their nose at the bar and then ask if the coffee is "fair trade" at the shop the next day
nubbins`: was that fair trade coke you jammed up your face?
mircea_popescu: people making 900 a month in food stamps and free housing over there hang around the cortners glaring at passer bys
mircea_popescu: so no, don't be telling me about how shit functions and doesn't.
dub: heroin is very clique'y
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nubbins`: sure, but you take away that 900 and food stamps and housing tomorrow and the city would burn to the ground in a week
mircea_popescu: anyway, re the list : to be an addictive substance something needs to actually give addiction
nubbins`: much harder to take away once given
mircea_popescu: the definition of which is "sudden discontinuation = death"
nubbins`: so, booze fits the definition
mircea_popescu: not that many substances presented as addictive actually are in any sense.
mircea_popescu: nah.
nubbins`: are you new? alcohol withdrawal kills
dub: can you name one?
mircea_popescu: in lalaland.
mircea_popescu: dub heroin. some synthetics.
dub: um
nubbins`: in realworld land too
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you know = does not mean "in one stray case out of 5498740958609"
mircea_popescu: = means =
nubbins`: ah, so kills 100% of time, ok
nubbins`: i don't think heroin fits that either
nubbins`: we're back to square one
mircea_popescu: try it sometime.
nubbins`: heroin? nah
nubbins`: i don't like needles
mircea_popescu: so then wtf basis do you "Think" on
nubbins`: try asking that a different way
dub: heroin is not instaaddict stuff
mircea_popescu: nobody said insta at any point.
dub: nor do you die when you kick
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mircea_popescu: cold turkey ? yeah, you die.
nubbins`: 100% of the time
nubbins`: because =
herbijudlestoids: jebus fuck arguing over technicalities.
herbijudlestoids: heroin withdrawal kills you
nubbins`: herb, it's what we do
herbijudlestoids: clonazepam withdrawal kills you
mircea_popescu: nubbins` in the sense we rounded 1 out of 5498740958609 to 0 we'll round out of 5498740958608 out of out of 5498740958609 to 1.0
benkay: welcome to assets, herbijudlestoids
herbijudlestoids: alcohol withdrawal does not kill you
moiety: sorry delayed response but what do you think about daily/weekly dispensing then nubbins`?
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids no no we must have fucktarded 5yo arguments about how the peas aren't really peas
nubbins`: dispensing drugs or works?
mircea_popescu: and wantboy shouldn't have to eat the peas
moiety: drugs sorry
nubbins`: moiety: beats me, does it work in practice?
moiety: depends on the aim. we used it to stop people overdosing
nubbins`: herbijudlestoids: and everyone should eat peas or they're stupid
herbijudlestoids: yall stupid.
mircea_popescu: no. everyone should eat peas or they're beaten.
dub: in theory the programs are to ween you off, not maintain
nubbins`: you kid, but that's your answer to most problems
nubbins`: whether the shoe fits or not
mircea_popescu: it is, yes.
herbijudlestoids: dub, nubbins` yall junkies? know junkies? watched your mates die?
mircea_popescu: violence is way underrated as a personal development tool.
herbijudlestoids: if not
herbijudlestoids: STFU
nubbins`: after all, if the shoe doesn't fit, it's because of libtards encouraging kids to grow their feet
mircea_popescu: nubbins` except the shoe fits fine and the princess is having a hysteria session
mircea_popescu: cause she's gots to be speshul and couldn't possibly be ever fit by a shoe
nubbins`: except abstract analogies that don't make sense
mircea_popescu: god forbid.
nubbins`: cause no argument
mircea_popescu: no shoe understands her dragon feet.
nubbins`: satan allow
mircea_popescu: this has been one of the best arguments with no actual common ground in which people talking about entirely different things that so far ever happened on assets
bones6: Autism only arrived after we stopped beating our children. QED
mircea_popescu: ^
nubbins`: no kidding, everybody's blood is running hot now
nubbins`: herb even told us to shut the fuck up because he's been there man and we haven't
mircea_popescu: you know what autism figures were in romania at the time the aids figures were 0.0x%
nubbins`: 100%?
mircea_popescu: on the grounds of all the aids kids being starved to death in specialised institutions ?
mircea_popescu: about 0.0% cause everyone was affraid of reporting it.
nubbins`: ah, cool. how did that work out for romania?
mircea_popescu: also at the time romania ruled the gymnastics at the olympics
mircea_popescu: because 15 yo girls and beating.
nubbins`: oh. so pretty well, then
mircea_popescu: i can't complain :)
nubbins`: so this heavy-handed beating-or-else thing really worked out for you guys
nubbins`: there wasn't any social upheaval or anything in the meantime?
nubbins`: OH WAIT
mircea_popescu: hehehe
mircea_popescu: wait, you're going to tell me that the romanian revolution was over free access to drugs ?
mircea_popescu: here's a fun little tidbit : in 1991 they had no cop on the force that knew what pot smells like.
nubbins`: no, i'm going to tell you it was over I HAVE THE ANSWERS STFU OR BANG
mircea_popescu: think about that for a moment.
dub: herbijudlestoids: have been, indeed, no.
mircea_popescu: dub what'd you junkie on ?
dub: meth
mircea_popescu: what srsly ?!
nubbins`: yucky
mircea_popescu: why...
nubbins`: because people do things
mircea_popescu: "well one day i noticed my house was kinda dirty..."
mircea_popescu: nubbins` let me guess, they experiment right ?
nubbins`: sure, yeah. sometimes with drugs, sometimes with things that end up being bitcoin
nubbins`: experimenting is what people do
nubbins`: like your friend who milked a squirrel
mircea_popescu: bang
mircea_popescu: ;;bang
gribble: Error: "bang" is not a valid command.
benkay: ;;lasers
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
nubbins`: ;;lasers
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
nubbins`: aw
mircea_popescu: nono
moiety: lolol
KRS-One: freakin lasers, maaan
mircea_popescu: ;;roulette
gribble: *click*
nubbins`: ;;sharks
gribble: Error: "sharks" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;roulette
gribble: *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
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mircea_popescu: there we go.
nubbins`: gribs got real
moiety: lol i like gribble
KRS-One: ozbot is better
KRS-One: .bait
benkay: ;;gettrust moiety
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mircea_popescu: ;;echo and gribble likes you
gribble: and gribble likes you
KRS-One: Ozbot?
mircea_popescu: moiety bitch, get in the wot.
nubbins`: so i'm thinking about the fact that the cops didn't know what pot smelled like
moiety: i dont ever plan on trading or anthing though
nubbins`: and the conclusion i've reached is that everybody must have been pretty fucking uptight
KRS-One: ;;seen ozbot
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KRS-One: fap fap fap
jurov: ;;slap KRS-One
nubbins`: heh.
nubbins`: not bad
mircea_popescu: moiety best be prepared.
benkay: ah hey i caught my first negrating, y'all
mircea_popescu: nubbins` everyone still is pretty uptight.
benkay: guess i'm a big boy now
nubbins`: ;;ratingsystem getrating benkay
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herbijudlestoids: so when i left the house yesterday afternoon, the GH on coinminer.net pool for ATC was ~40. when i got home, ~100. today, ~200
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, maybe they should have a safe pot smoking site
mircea_popescu: but to not let the revolution issue hanging : there were arguably a few explanatory reasons
nubbins`: Insmoke or something
moiety: mircea_popescu: was just reading up, i'm all for anything to do with gpg
mircea_popescu: in the 70s they made contraception illegal. the births jumped then over a decade levelled off to the original values. the life of women turned into a nightmare tho. those kids... they pretty much WERE the revolution.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: oh sure, i just figured since we were handwaving away complex issues with flippant, facile replies...
diametric: asciilifeform: i convinced johnny russell to accept bitcoin on ultimachine.com.
dub: was gonna mine some ATC but my asic blowed up
mircea_popescu: in the 80s ceausescu got pissed off at the us bankers, paid off all romania's debt. this resulted in horrible restraints on consume market.
dub: someone musta went bang on it
the20year: in romania?
mircea_popescu: people put up with it till the debt was paid, in 88. at that point no relaxation showed up and peeps were enraged
nubbins`: no doubt
mircea_popescu: finally, the language was deteriorating under the pressure of bureaucratic formalism.
mircea_popescu: this may be a cultural explanation.
mircea_popescu: that's about the set, really.
nubbins`: like we said, it's harder to change gears once you get going
nubbins`: be it dropping social welfare or easing restraints on the consumer market
mircea_popescu: perhaps.
nubbins`: hey, you saw it happen
nubbins`: now consider what would happen in canada if tomorrow welfare was 100% abolished
mircea_popescu: but you can't in any shape or form successfully argue that the current english cultural space anti-intellectualism, anti-voluntarism and deliberate depersonalisation has any sort of future.
nubbins`: the average canadian doesn't want a revolution
dub: its ok, romainia has heavy duty 6 puck soviet era ventilated clutch
nubbins`: no, i can't argle that
nubbins`: argue, either!
mircea_popescu: well that's where we'll have to settle.
mircea_popescu: i'll concede going around beating people isn't a winning strategy
nubbins`: i'll concede that i'd just as soon kill the pillheads in my neighbourhood
mircea_popescu: nor something that could ever be done. you couldn't pay me to do it.
mircea_popescu: you can't even fucking troll this dumbass chan ffs. half hour later people start hugging and conceding things
nubbins`: hah
mircea_popescu: it'
mircea_popescu: s like a fucking utopian society.
nubbins`: you were a few facile statements away from me asking if you were on the spectrum ;p
mircea_popescu: what spectrum ?
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nubbins`: ;;ud on the spectrum
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mircea_popescu: haha
nubbins`: it's a phrase here :D
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i guess i gotta be on the spectrum
mircea_popescu: it is, after all, a spectrum.
nubbins`: nod
nubbins`: we all are, i'm sure
mircea_popescu: i'm the black or w/e
dub: you the whitest nigger I ever dun see
mircea_popescu: i'm not white
mircea_popescu: i'm just priviledged.
nubbins`: anyway, full circle, synesthesia has been reported in both lsd users and autistics
mircea_popescu: nubbins` and artists.
nubbins`: most of the artists fall into one camp or the other
dub: is that the audio hallucanatoin jonx?
mircea_popescu: no they don't stop pushing your druggie agenda.
nubbins`: JOIN US
mircea_popescu: dub it's when a chick thinks she can smell your cock because it tastes so good.
mircea_popescu: or no wait.
nubbins`: dub, shit like tasting colors or hearing smells
mircea_popescu: it's when a chick thinks she can smell your cock because it hits her in the back of the throat so nice
nubbins`: if chicks can smell your cock you've got a problem
dub: I read about a deaf woman who released an album of her audible hallucinations oslt
mircea_popescu: nubbins` "thinks"
nubbins`: aha!
nubbins`: subtle
dub: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruef7aYCEbc
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dub: ^related
duduqa: hi there
nubbins`: dub, auditory hallucinations are strange things indeed
mircea_popescu: besides, cocks actually do smell i'm told.
mircea_popescu: duduqa ello
nubbins`: i once smashed a radio that wasn't turned on
nubbins`: "...oh"
duduqa: mircea_popescu: hello!
mircea_popescu: clearly reefer has no ill effects
benkay: i once worked for a gentleman who when voices were raised above a certain threshold in meetings would visibly lose his ability to read his monitor
nubbins`: if reefer caused hallucinations i'd smoke it more often
mircea_popescu: benkay so like a dog ? other dogs barking, can't focus nomoar.
moiety: auditory hallucinations are much more common than visual hallucinations. more uncommon than both, are tactile ones
mircea_popescu: dub not bad actually. who's the chick ?
nubbins`: moiety: lies, i mistakenly think i've pissed myself maybe once every two weeks on average
benkay: he claimed a degree of constant synasthesia. was also pretty thoroughly autistic. the story was that he couldn't see his screen when voices got loud.
mircea_popescu: that's just bad childhood memories nubbins`
benkay: so yes, distracted.
dub: the deaf one or the smell yo dick one? (i have nfi eather way)
mircea_popescu: the latter.
moiety: is this after a massive amount of alcohol nubbins`?
nubbins`: usually if i've smoked a lot of pot, not always
nubbins`: i don't drink much
moiety: thats not halluincatory in a true sense though
nubbins`: fun story, before the early 2000s there was no recreational drug that was active at the same dosage range as lsd. you bought some paper, it was the real thing or nothing at all
moiety: its more a perception thing
nubbins`: moiety, nod
mircea_popescu: indeed.
nubbins`: then this class of drugs called NBOMe was discovered
nubbins`: which were active at very small doses, enough to fit on a blotter
mircea_popescu: aka "National Board of Osteopathic Medical Examiners"
nubbins`: all of a sudden lsd started tasting oddly bitter
nubbins`: and the trips were strange
moiety: what exactly are microdots then?
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nubbins`: teeny tiny caplets, i think
nubbins`: still lsd, just in a different vessel
KRS-One: someone told me he microdosed LSD for a while and wound up speaking perfect german almost as if you can learn great things by separation
moiety: like super string lsd i was under the impression?
moiety: strong*
moiety: kk
nubbins`: KRS-One, i've had legitimate epiphanies on lsd
benkay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE5YOVCahcQ
ozbot: Tosh.0 'Smell Yo Dick' Official Music Video - YouTube
nubbins`: ANYWAY
nubbins`: this bitter not-acid was the only thing you could buy for a long time
moiety: KRS-One: there's a guy in hospital here on a permanent trip, since he was 21 or so... a bad trip. poor guy is tortured and has no insight at all
nubbins`: it was only when the derpy pirate roberts opened his Ye Old Shoppe that the real deal once again became available
moiety: people have woken from comas speaking different languages
duduqa: moiety: wat?
moiety: people have been known to wake from coma being able to speak languages they weren;t able to before.
herbijudlestoids: nubbins`: you have a very weird perception of the drug market
moiety: i'd assume these were people in coma in countries other than their native language
herbijudlestoids: 5-MeO-AMT was common on blotter before the discovery of 25i-NBOMe
nubbins`: herbijudlestoids: i live on an island, what do you expect?
herbijudlestoids: and the resurgence in LSD has *nothing* to do with the silk road.
herbijudlestoids: any relationship you noticed is coincidental
nubbins`: hm, i didn't realize AMT was orally active. has admittedly been a while
benkay: there's real lsd going around again?
benkay: i gave up on finding any.
benkay: i actually gave up on ever trying real lsd.
nubbins`: benkay: there always was, just didn't make it quite as far around
nubbins`: after those two guys in the missile silo got busted, i thought i'd never see it again
benkay: i suppose i coulda found some at burning man but its kinda impolite to walk up to strangers saying "hi i've never actually found real acid and i'm hoping to find some this week can you introduce me to someone?"
mircea_popescu: "25I-NBOMe has been implicated in multiple deaths in Australia. In March 2012, a man in Australia died from injuries sustained by running into trees and power poles while intoxicated by 25I-NBOMe."
mircea_popescu: derp. anyone got the vid ?
nubbins`: NBOMe is no fun
mircea_popescu: A Sydney teenager jumped to his death on June 5, 2013. He reportedly jumped off a balcony thinking he could fly.
mircea_popescu: well.... you can do anything.
nubbins`: i dunno about this whole "thinking he could fly" shit
benkay: friends tossed him over. told a story.
nubbins`: ^
nubbins`: i've been pretty fucking high in my time, never thought i could fly
nubbins`: that's not even sensible
mircea_popescu: i think i can fly with regularity
mircea_popescu: usually happens right after boarding.
nubbins`: and eating lots of bran
nubbins`: anyone? no?
herbijudlestoids: nubbins`: i realistically doubt you could objectively identify a single dose of 25I-NBOMe from LSD
herbijudlestoids: its only at 2 dose or above you can start to notice the difference
dub: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datura is fairly famous trip for mkaing peopel think they can fly
ozbot: Datura - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
nubbins`: herbijudlestoids: you can tell by the taste. NBOMe is intensely bitter.
nubbins`: you can tell from a half-hit
herbijudlestoids: nubbins`: whats that got to do with "fun"
nubbins`: oh, we're talking experience?
herbijudlestoids: dub: datura is a plant. are you referring to the tropane alkaloids contained within?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you know not all peope can taste all bitters
herbijudlestoids: nubbins`: you said its not fun. i said you wouldnt know if i fed it to you
mircea_popescu: of which there are at least a few hundred
nubbins`: NBOME is much less visual, and is punctuated by these sporadic moments of clarity
herbijudlestoids: lel
nubbins`: like you're at the bar having a good time
herbijudlestoids: no offense nubbins` but your subjective analysis of what NBOMe "is", doesnt count for anything
nubbins`: all of a sudden "why the fuck do i feel so sketchy? why are we all moving our bodies like this?"
nubbins`: no offense yourself, but just because you can't tell two completely different drugs apart doesn't mean i can't
dub: herbijudlestoids: I suppose your anaylsis of a what a 'dose' is is sound though
herbijudlestoids: dub: i work it out on approximate basis from drug seizures, so yea
herbijudlestoids: used to be easier when the DEA had their microgram report
mircea_popescu: he;s got a numeric method :D
nubbins`: HEH.
nubbins`: the other point about silk road is that there were this group of guys called "the avengers" who would buy LSD from new vendors and get it tested in a lab for strength
nubbins`: and publish the results
mircea_popescu: so how many sample results did they ever publish ?
nubbins`: dozens
mircea_popescu: over a few years ?
mircea_popescu: dude that place sucked srsly.
herbijudlestoids: http://www.justice.gov/dea/pr/micrograms.shtml
nubbins`: there weren't that many different lsd vendors
ozbot: DEA / Micrograms
mircea_popescu: but anyway, props to them, nice going.
herbijudlestoids: go here for real data
mircea_popescu: where'd they measure it ?
dub: lol
nubbins`: maybe four or five
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, that's what i always wondered
dub: internet experts
mircea_popescu: they never said ?!
nubbins`: not the sort of thing you can just bring somewhere
mircea_popescu: yes, it is.
nubbins`: they had access to some sort of lab
nubbins`: heh.
mircea_popescu: wtf, they never said where they measure and you trusted the results /?!
nubbins`: i bring LSD to the uni, i'll expect a knock on my door
mircea_popescu: how do you know it wasn't just sr sponsored bs ?
herbijudlestoids: errr nubbins` yes it is
benkay: oh man i used to read microgram bulletin religiously
herbijudlestoids: nubbins`: errr no...
nubbins`: dude i don't fucking know, find the thread yourself! it's all there on the forums
mircea_popescu: im too lazy
herbijudlestoids: its like $80 to get any sample tested by HPLC
nubbins`: me too
herbijudlestoids: guess what, until its been HPLCd, you can claim ignorance as to the substance
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids would you trust the reported results of anon third parties that won't share where they measure ?
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: no.
nubbins`: and they'll tell you how many micrograms of lsd are in your tab?
mircea_popescu: makes 2.
herbijudlestoids: nubbins`: its an approximation, but yes.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` most labs in the civilised world will test a sample.
nubbins`: well i guess that's how the avengers did it then, isn't it?
nubbins`: everything is a fight!
mircea_popescu: if they actually did anything.
herbijudlestoids: you can just say youre a concerned mother who found something in their childs schoolbag and want to test it
dub: nubbins`: no o it isnt, fuck you
herbijudlestoids: i know, because i have
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids you claimed to be a woman ?
mircea_popescu: with whig or sans whig ?
herbijudlestoids: nubbins`: its not a fight until you claim something that is obviously not a fact (for people who know) as a fact
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: sans wig, over mail :)
dub: stand back guys he has dones this before
mircea_popescu: so mail fraud.
nubbins`: dub, herb is apparently a wizard
herbijudlestoids: iv listened to you guys spouting all kinds of dumb shit today
nubbins`: poor guy
nubbins`: want a back rub?
herbijudlestoids: id prefer you just verified things before spoutingthem as fact
nubbins`: i'd prefer if you fucked off
nubbins`: guess we're both not getting what we want
herbijudlestoids: k, enjoy your ignorance
nubbins`: what a tool
mircea_popescu: i can't believe someone took that seriously.
dub: this guy was taking shrapnel in khe sanh when you were crapping inyour hands and rubbing it in your face
dub: aww he raged
nubbins`: he was taking shrapnel last week?
nubbins`: no wonder he's so mad
mircea_popescu: nubbins` seriously tho, it's way more likely the avenger troop was just some vendor/ the sr itself doing pr.
dub: I thought we talked about bath salts
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: could be. they did out some frauds tho
mircea_popescu: did the frauds confess ?
nubbins`: they vanished
mircea_popescu: sr would be in a position to see complaints.
nubbins`: well, the review system worked pretty well too
nubbins`: "lsd was bunk, do not buy"
nubbins`: or "nice mild effects" left as a review for 5-MeO-DMT
moiety: ;;gpg eregister moiety 6DF881D6696B6111
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nubbins`: there's actually very few lsd manufacturers left, both due to risk and availability of precursors
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mircea_popescu: moiety hey, nice.
nubbins`: generally your end product is coming from a handful of sources
nubbins`: a few vendors actually sold pure crystal
nubbins`: that was pretty rare tho
nubbins`: "By the time Silk Road shut down, The Avengers had reviewed 60 vendors, rating them on factors like packaging quality, shipping time, and price."
nubbins`: afaik the forums are gone forever, and with them, all those reviews
mircea_popescu: maybe it was some kid with a night shift at a lab or something.
nubbins`: could be. was a nice service
mircea_popescu: tho, you familiar with the recent mass scandal are you ?
nubbins`: don't think so
mircea_popescu: forensic chemist was discovered to have lied on thousands of reports
mircea_popescu: they ended up having to review ~10k cases
nubbins`: aha! yipes.
nubbins`: http://c.o0bc.com/rf/image_609w/Boston/2011-2020/2012/09/29/Boston.com/Metro/Images/State%20Police%20Lab%20Shutdown.JPEG-0be0e.jpg
nubbins`: she obviously didn't spend all her extra free time buying clothes
benkay: great way to get out of us jury duty: "i don't accept p-values greater than 0.001, and also I don't trust forensic 'scientists'"
mircea_popescu: you won't get excused.
benkay: oh but i did
nubbins`: heh.
mircea_popescu: what srsly ?!
benkay: mhm
mircea_popescu: you found a judge that knew what p is ?
benkay: effectively "I will break this jury"
nubbins`: i was an alternate juror once, didn't quite make the cut
mircea_popescu: where the fuck.
benkay: nope. voir dire.
benkay: voire dire?
nubbins`: voir
benkay: the preselection where the lawyers kick everyone out who has an inkling of intelligence.
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: i made it past that point
mircea_popescu: well then you got kicked not excused
mircea_popescu: that i made no representation of.
nubbins`: it was some domestic abuse trial, most of the female jurors got the boot
nubbins`: i'm a large angry man, i got to stay
benkay: ya well see above "great way to get out of"
mircea_popescu: that i saw.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` how are you large
dub: I managed to do somethign to get unpicked at the benkay stage
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dub: quite surprised to have been summoned tbh
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: 188cm, 100kg!
nubbins`: i'm not medium
mircea_popescu: o okay.
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mircea_popescu: i never got jurydutied, but i was once in the team kicking you ppl off
diametric: in maryland atheists aren't allowed to serve on juries.
mircea_popescu: not sure how well known this is, but esp in the larger trials the jury selection team of a well funded defender may include > 100 people
dub: I was easy
nubbins`: diametric WHAT
diametric: i mean i guess if i wanted to serve it would be easy to fight
dub: 'you have how many convictions?'
mircea_popescu: nubbins` won't swear on the bible
dub: it means don't go to america
dub: ever.
nubbins`: you're not given the option to take a "solemn oath"?
dub: best case, nuke it from orbit
mircea_popescu: dub just accept gizas already in your heart dubsy
moiety: ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:c9f70550bfb1f08e79daa780040970b356f24d938d2411e7d4a9b059
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diametric: nubbins`: Article 36 of the Maryland Declaration of Rights says I have to believe in God: "nor shall any person, otherwise competent, be deemed incompetent as a witness, or juror, on account of his religious belief; provided, he believes in the existence of God, and that under His dispensation such person will be held morally accountable for his acts, and be rewarded or punished therefore either in this world
diametric: or in the world to come.""
nubbins`: when we dragged our dirtbag ex-tenants to a hearing, the only ones who lied through their teeth were the ones who swore on a bible rather than doing an affirmation
moiety: \o/ think that's me on WoT mircea_popescu!
mircea_popescu: wd wd!
mircea_popescu: smart girl.
nubbins`: diametric: to me, that says something other than what you said.
mircea_popescu: http://static.tumblr.com/af06dd0807d256dc1dec8abe12cd8f1b/oghd6vg/FBSmgqgxn/tumblr_static_chocolate_chip_cookies.jpeg
mircea_popescu: there's a cookie.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` how ?!
nubbins`: diametric: that seems to say that you can't be deemed incompetent for believing in god
mircea_popescu: you misread.
nubbins`: nor shall any person be deemed incompetent on account of religious belief, provided he believes in god
dub: you missed the provided
diametric: no it clearly states I'm only competent to serve so long as I believe in God
mircea_popescu: won't be deemed incompetent for his religious belief if and only if he believes in god
moiety: woah thats a way better cookie than all these sites usually try to give me.....
nubbins`: that's saying you can call a pastafarian retarded
nubbins`: not that you have to swear on a bible.
mircea_popescu: a pastafarian is retarded
diametric: Article 37 also prevents me from holding office
diametric: ""That no religious test ought ever to be required as a qualification for any office of profit or trust in this State, other than a declaration of belief in the existence of God;""
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: nah, they're just having a lel
mircea_popescu: diametric did you want to hold mariland office ?!
diametric: mircea_popescu: fuck no
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mircea_popescu: i was thinking... wait, THAT is what prevents you ?
diametric: haha
mircea_popescu: lol
the20year: hmm , i imagine falling during snowboarding and then breaking your helmet isn't good
nubbins`: the20year: saw that
dub: no automagically bad
nubbins`: that was a HARD fall
nubbins`: backwards downhill
the20year: Yeah
nubbins`: the entire womens event was much less exciting than the mens
the20year: I wonder if they show the same stuff at the same time in canada, i know here it's all recorded
nubbins`: biggest rotation was a 1080!
the20year: Always is
nubbins`: i watched it hours ago on the internet
the20year: Remember , in china one woman got a comparable score to a man and they all said it was a conspiracy
the20year: I'd looove to see them do mixed gender sports
nubbins`: nah, would be no fun
the20year: Would prove a point to the sexists that women and men are differnet :D
nubbins`: i don't know if even the hardcore feminists believe that women and men perform equally well in sports
the20year: i've talked to quite a few who seem to think that
mircea_popescu: the20year women and men aren't different iyo ?!
nubbins`: did you tell them that testosterone builds muscle?
the20year: They refused it
nubbins`: i uh
nubbins`: well then
the20year: Look at how many women want women in combat operations in the US
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mircea_popescu: again with what people want.
the20year: The marines refuse to change their testing methods, army was sued to the point of compliance
nubbins`: sure, but the US military is spread thinner than the butter on bilbo's bread
nubbins`: they almost have to take women
nubbins`: or else start a draft
mircea_popescu: lol ayup.
the20year: Not really, as it stands now they can scale enlistment if they play with iring bonuses
the20year: *hiring
mircea_popescu: "why turn down pretty much the only people who still WANT to be in"
mircea_popescu: yeah, budget just got cut for the nth consecutive year.
nubbins`: "joining the military gave me the opportunities to get raped and belittled that i've been missing my entire life"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` nine in ten gangbang participants are there voluntarily.
dub: don't discount the free mobility scooter you get a the end
mircea_popescu: it's free now ?!
nubbins`: "free"
mircea_popescu: aok
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 41 @ 0.0055 = 0.2255 BTC
nubbins`: with the purchase of a one-way flight to kandahar
mircea_popescu: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 13 minutes and 52 seconds
nubbins`: http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/14/4828448/silk-road-lsd-avengers-drug-inspectors
nubbins`: there's your answer
nubbins`: http://cdn0.sbnation.com/assets/3387971/reagent_560.jpg
nubbins`: lel, the reagent pouch says "contains strong acid"
the20year: Gonna get some video Tuesday of some fantastic properties in central Ohio
nubbins`: there's a joke in there
benkay: "fantastic" "central ohio"
benkay: sounds like a good chuckle to me.
nubbins`: i meant the image i posted
benkay: i know ;)
nubbins`: but that too, i guess
the20year: it was kind of a joke
the20year: I've got 3 candidates i'm gonna go take a look at, highest one is priced at $34k
nubbins`: from what i understand about america
benkay: coming out of the btc you've raised?
nubbins`: you can name any place and people will tell you it sucks
nubbins`: "oh, the midwest? gross"
the20year: if any of them are good candidates, maybe
benkay: how much rentalstarter have you sold through your ipo, the20year?
nubbins`: "the south? jeez"
the20year: As of now a little shy of $100k in fiat
nubbins`: "virginias? ugh"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33550 @ 0.00085508 = 28.6879 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: ;;calc 100000/700
gribble: 142.857142857
benkay: dang man
benkay: ponzi.io pulled in more than that in the fifteen minutes it was running
the20year: I was pretty surprised at how much $$$ they were pulling in
nubbins`: ;;google .io tld
gribble: .io - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.io>; NIC.IO - The Indian Ocean .IO Domain Registry and Network ...: <http://www.nic.io/>; Register .IO Domain: Buy TLD Extension/Suffix British Indian Ocean ...: <https://iwantmyname.com/domains/io-domain-name-registration-for-british-indian-ocean-territory>
nubbins`: interesting
nubbins`: ;;later tell truffles i wanted to play chess but you weren't here
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: ^ muahahaha
mircea_popescu: benkay he could have pulled in just as much if he bought his own stock the same way.
nubbins`: http://betanomics.asia/blog/store-and-send-bitcoin-directly-from-your-brain-using-braincontrol
mircea_popescu: !t h rent
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (4547 shares, 25.00850000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (24033 shares, 132.18150000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (24033 shares, 132.18150000 BTC)
mircea_popescu: 25 btc != 100k usd are they ?
mircea_popescu: o wait, it's been a week
ozbot: Betanomics.asia - Storing and Sending Bitcoins Directly from Your Brain using BrainControl.me
nubbins`: ^ almost sent some dust to try looking for the usual holes, realized i can't be bothered
copumpkin: selling 25 btc for $100k, any takers?
copumpkin: these are some high quality coins I'm offering
nubbins`: hong kong dollars, errrrr...?
copumpkin: nah, USD
nubbins`: gross, do not hold
benkay: ;;ticker --market
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code (1 more message)
copumpkin: oh well, no high-quality coins for you then
benkay: ;;ticker --market btcavg
gribble: BitcoinAverage BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 696.36, Best ask: 701.5, Bid-ask spread: 5.14000, Last trade: 700.81, 24 hour volume: 57173.56, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: 688.31
dub: zimbabwe dollars
benkay: ;;calc 696.36*132.1815
gribble: 92045.90934
dub: so gox..
dub: end game or end game
copumpkin: benkay: there's also a market sell/buy command
the20year: I don't know what 25btc is over that time period, we're around 140btc
benkay: ;;market sell
gribble: (market sell [--usd] [--market <market>] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in USD.
benkay: ;;market sell 130
gribble: A market order to sell 130 bitcoins right now would net 88784.0021 USD and would take the last price down to 680.0200 USD, resulting in an average price of 682.9539 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0708 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.06914002 = 0.6914 BTC [-] {4}
nubbins`: so what i'm going to do is find my laptop charger, pour a bowl of cereal, and listen to bad brains
the20year: Coinbase price right now is 724/brc
the20year: *btc
benkay: coinbase?
benkay: what the fuck does that have to do with anything?
benkay: and also good luck getting that price.
the20year: It should be no less than 720
mircea_popescu: they actually buy from you at 724 ?
the20year: Right around there
the20year: let me see what their price would be
diametric: mircea_popescu: they do
diametric: its also locked at time of purchase/sale. I'd be worried about holding your coins in coinbase though.
the20year: I try to avoid holding anything substantial in there
mircea_popescu: historically they're very waffly with actually delivering at the price but hey.
nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvQBu7Xu2Jk
ozbot: BAD BRAINS - Black Dots 1978 [FULL ALBUM] - YouTube
the20year: I've sold around 600btc with them
the20year: err, no , it'd be more around 900
diametric: mircea_popescu: theres the occasional report of orders canceled during a "high"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.123 = 0.246 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: or low as tyhe case may be
the20year: ‏‎50btc sold via coinabse would be 35,995.50
nubbins`: re: this "braincontrol.me" / "coinpunk" stuff
nubbins`: great that they're trying to get btc on iphones
diametric: selling 50btc on coinbase will almost certainly be reported to the IRS, and also likely cause a SAR to be filed by your bank.
nubbins`: but i'm not blindly trusting some random html5 website, for eternity
the20year: Your point?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12233333 = 0.367 BTC [-] {3}
the20year: The money is reported to the IRS anyway
benkay: nubbins`: the point with coinpunk is to run a web wallet for your friends.
nubbins`: wait, what?
benkay: not to be industrial-grade wallet for the masses.
nubbins`: did i 100% misunderstand
benkay: yup.
nubbins`: D:
benkay: it's a zero-trust self hosted thing
mircea_popescu: diametric the guy is in the business of buying up real estate and renting it out
mircea_popescu: i'd expect he has paperwork in order
nubbins`: ohhhhh.
nubbins`: coinpunk.org vs coinpunk.com
diametric: mircea_popescu: i would hope so
benkay: more than happy to forward any comments on security/threat model to kyle
nubbins`: sort of like wordpress.org/.com
nubbins`: now i see
benkay: something like that, sure
nubbins`: wait, are .org and .com even the same outfit?
diametric: no
mircea_popescu: benkay who's kyle
nubbins`: hah
nubbins`: WELL THEN
nubbins`: nicely diluted brand
benkay: it's impossible to tell, but i'll check with him sometime.
benkay: kyledrake
benkay: aka Kyle Drake
nubbins`: .com looks less legit
diametric: nubbins`: i mis-read i thought you were asking about the registry level.
diametric: nubbins`: like literally .org and .com
nubbins`: oh
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: no, coinpunk.org / coinpunk.com
benkay: mircea_popescu: http://kyledrake.net/
nubbins`: starting to think .com is scamming
benkay: that is a downside to the model - unless you actually know the server operator they can deliver anything they want to your browser.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.122 BTC [-]
nubbins`: nod
nubbins`: at least with brainwallet.org etc you can host the files locally
benkay: but this is similar to the web wallet threat model anyways - don't trust strangers with your bitcoins.
nubbins`: no such option on a phone
mircea_popescu: ic
nubbins`: man, i gotta say
nubbins`: bad brains is a fucking great band
nubbins`: kind of amazing that the most intense hardcore punk band i can think of is four black guys who started doing it in the 70s
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Who needs a phone when IRC is a thing?
nubbins`: humans :(
moiety: BingoBoingo: i have been gpg-ing. mircea told me to get my arse on wot. so there i am! didn't even bug him for help
BingoBoingo: moiety: Congrats. Think how far ahead you would have been should you have tried this when it was first suggested?
moiety: 2015: i might try an order
mod6: its easy, there is a wiki for gribble :)
BingoBoingo: Eh, prolly look at the order book and see if there are any you can fill in the next month or two. I mean moiety, Your key could have been 5, 6, 7 months older.
moiety: i wish everything was command line
moiety: true BingoBoingo i'm not in any kind of rush mind you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.072 = 0.288 BTC [+] {3}
moiety: happy reading, observing, drinking in atm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.19376446 = 1.9376 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0725 = 0.2175 BTC [+] {2}
joecool: how's it going?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: i'm going to bed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.07345 = 1.1752 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1215 = 0.3645 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 330 @ 0.00300012 = 0.99 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: nitey nite
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you didn';t use the magic word
BingoBoingo: Prolly
mircea_popescu: joecool pretty cool
mircea_popescu: moiety so, would you like some atc ?
BingoBoingo: Should have said sudo
joecool: mircea_popescu: nubbins` was talking about romanians in OTC so i thought of you
mircea_popescu: haha
joecool: not too many other romanians online actually say useful things
mircea_popescu: was he saying bad things ?
joecool: no he was talking of some other romanian
mircea_popescu: wait there's other romanians online ?!
joecool: that's what i thought
mircea_popescu: what heresy is this
joecool: i always assumed they were too busy chasing chickens to come online (i have tried this pastime, it was exciting for an afternoon)
mircea_popescu: full disclosure : when i was about 5 my uncle told me that ducks absolutely have to be serviced by having their tail turned with a fixed wrench
mircea_popescu: or else they may die
mircea_popescu: and so i spent half a day chasing ducks with a fixed wrench
joecool: seems legit
joecool: does romania have a tourism agency?
mircea_popescu: uh
mircea_popescu: what's that ? like a travel agent ?
joecool: hm maybe not the correct word, a government PR campaign
mircea_popescu: a. prolly.
joecool: "come to romania, our ducks are the best to chase"
mircea_popescu: ;;google campanie vizitati romania
gribble: "WHY DON'T YOU COME OVER?" Răspunsul Gândul la campania ...: <http://www.gandul.info/stiri/why-don-t-you-come-over-raspunsul-gandul-la-campania-britanica-nu-veniti-in-anglia-update-10528548>; PENNY Market Romania: <http://www.penny.ro/>; Mirela Stelea sustine campania Romania, tara inimilor mari - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNZfS927XVw>
mircea_popescu: there.
benkay: hey joecool
joecool: hey?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00085379 = 11.3554 BTC [-]
KRS-One: http://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/bitcoin-price-drops-as-mt-gox-exchange-closes-indefinitely-20140210-32ap1.html
BingoBoingo: KRS-One: Should be interesting to see how shit settles with their fractional reserve out of the picture.
KRS-One: interesting yep
benkay: BingoBoingo: total shitshow impending. "oh, bitcoins on sale you say? mt gox fell apart and bitcoin is still around? guess i better throw ten US shitbucks into it" waits three weeks "well damn now i need a return on my bitcoins" BS&T v.2
KRS-One: now a good time to short?
benkay: KRS-One, BingoBoingo: when gox actually folds, do you think there'll be a significant leg down?
BingoBoingo: KRS-One: Good time to probably go long 6-12 months. Gox dying prolly removes a bunch of fake BTC and fake dollars. It will take time to figure out what there was more of.
BingoBoingo: benkay: The thing about shitshows is that it is best to watch the cripple fight and wait to act.
joecool: imma take the blame for mtgox falling apparent
joecool: *apart
joecool: spread some FUD a couple nights ago and it started a run, then they ceased withdrawals
joecool: exposed: mtgox the bucket shop
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-most-serene-republic-and-its-laws/
benkay: mircea_popescu you're just cheating now
mircea_popescu: a man using his father's sword is not cheating. he is my father, i use which is mine.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21117 @ 0.00085512 = 18.0576 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28050 @ 0.00085692 = 24.0366 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00085363 = 14.7678 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0735 = 0.294 BTC [+]
copumpkin: all MPOE transactions are fairly large
copumpkin: I'd expect to see more "dust"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63463 @ 0.00085697 = 54.3859 BTC [+] {2}
copumpkin: see? large transactions!
copumpkin: where'd nefario go?
BingoBoingo: copumpkin: Prolly went to Panama
copumpkin: where'd my >0.001 MPOE go, anyway
copumpkin: give it back
copumpkin: man, once MPOE goes above 1 btc/share, I'll be rich
copumpkin: if not as rich as mircea_popescu
copumpkin: I can't wait
copumpkin: then I can give my bentley back to him
mircea_popescu: what's this bentley you keep speaking of lol
copumpkin: oh you know
copumpkin: just my car
copumpkin: okay fine, fine, I lied
mircea_popescu: i had no idea you drived
copumpkin: I don't own a bentley (or any car)
copumpkin: and I didn't steal any money from you
copumpkin: gah, such a stickler for details
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1650 @ 0.00020195 = 0.3332 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: he copumpkin
Chaang-Noi: hey*
copumpkin: hey Chaang-Noi
Chaang-Noi: how ya been?
copumpkin: not bad, not doing anything in bitcoin these days
Chaang-Noi: still hodling?
copumpkin: yeah, a few :) you?
Chaang-Noi: yeah a few
Chaang-Noi: im not doing much either
Chaang-Noi: got some miners
Chaang-Noi: they should have been 2 TH/s but only 1.6 TH/s kinda sucks
Chaang-Noi: might have to sue em
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.074 = 0.37 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35100 @ 0.00085841 = 30.1302 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16550 @ 0.00085802 = 14.2002 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0029901 = 0.598 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 578 @ 0.00020195 = 0.1167 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.12049999 = 1.205 BTC [-] {4}
KRS-One: nsfw http://i.imgur.com/k8poyUI.jpg
KRS-One: That is some olympic ass I can dive right into.
KRS-One: .bait
ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/8d294c47d83550e992b5b85bf8435f01/tumblr_mwf27sPeew1snhkgqo1_500.jpg
KRS-One: ^^^ thats like somebody's mom
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27250 @ 0.00085889 = 23.4048 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1768 @ 0.00085875 = 1.5183 BTC [-]
benkay: eventually it all comes down to bits on the wire
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00085938 = 7.8633 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Lol Apple http://apple.slashdot.org/story/14/02/10/0535227/mac-os-x-bitcoin-stealing-trojan-horse-called-osxcointhief-discovered
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 181 @ 0.0055 = 0.9955 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04897944 = 0.2449 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.04897954 = 0.6857 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00550001 = 0.1375 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: hi
davout: hello
kakobrekla: heya davout
kakobrekla: hows it going
davout: pretty good, and yourself kind sir ?
davout: i am about to prove the internet wrong
kakobrekla: excellent, seems im getting my power back
davout: the weed fumes are dissipating ?
kakobrekla: hehe
davout: you'll read about it in the NYT toomorrow "Frenchman proves the internet wrong by having a shower"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 600 @ 0.000191 = 0.1146 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12955 @ 0.00085893 = 11.1274 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: i take it back
kakobrekla: no power
Apocalyptic: .d
ozbot: 2621404453.06462 | Next Diff in 1195 blocks | Estimated Change: 11.9065% in 7d 7h 18m 51s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1299987 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10935 @ 0.00085942 = 9.3978 BTC [+] {2}
btc-monkey: "Hello MagicalTux, any update about the current situation please ? <- the release is almost ready, running final checks before it goes online
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00085971 = 11.864 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1819 @ 0.00085863 = 1.5618 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8641 @ 0.0008564 = 7.4002 BTC [-]
dub: https://www.mtgox.com/press_release_20140210.html
ozbot: MtGox - Bitcoin Exchange
BingoBoingo: So... MtGox plans to resume Bitcoin withdrawals... never?
Apocalyptic: let the dumping begin
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Why dumping?
davout: mtgox chan topic : "MtGox is NOT dead as a FUD post suggests" <<< priceless
Apocalyptic: some people want to get btc out of gox, they don't have any other choice but to sell
kakobrekla: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 620.0, Best ask: 627.0, Bid-ask spread: 7.00000, Last trade: 620.0, 24 hour volume: 22218.65782057, 24 hour low: 620.21057, 24 hour high: 700.0, 24 hour vwap: 666.25873
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.0008564 = 19.1834 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1172 @ 0.0029875 = 3.5014 BTC [-] {19}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1292 @ 0.00292181 = 3.775 BTC [-] {12}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 408 @ 0.00288932 = 1.1788 BTC [-] {6}
kakobrekla: flash crash
Apocalyptic: i hope other exchanges won't follow
Apocalyptic: there is no way to arb now anyway
KRS1: <gmaxwell> It is exceptionally unlikely that malleability will be fixed in the year. We've been slowly moving towards improving it, v0.8 closed of many forms of it.
davout: Apocalyptic: i think there will be bots propagating the dip
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00086008 = 40.4238 BTC [+] {4}
pizzaman1337: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 584.25, Best ask: 590.0, Bid-ask spread: 5.75000, Last trade: 580.13001, 24 hour volume: 27115.47675369, 24 hour low: 580.13, 24 hour high: 700.0, 24 hour vwap: 653.84098
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0001902 = 0.1902 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0745 = 0.2235 BTC [+]
KRS1: wow if this is really a bug in bitcoin..otherwise what a perfect way to stall the failing of your exchange, tie up developers for months and blame btc
Apocalyptic: <KRS1> wow if this is really a bug in bitcoin // it's not...
punkman: so someone is fucking with MtGox? where is the proof?
Apocalyptic: <gmaxwell> orweinberger: not really. It makes some implications which are just flat out untrue.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13743 @ 0.00086036 = 11.8239 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.075 = 0.3 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: [the mtgox statement]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 15 @ 0.19376446 = 2.9065 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.13033323 = 0.391 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.131 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0754 = 0.1508 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41470 @ 0.00086053 = 35.6862 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00086061 = 3.9588 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0754995 = 0.604 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12 = 0.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.12125 = 0.485 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.123 = 0.738 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: morning. so devs say mtgox largely fabricated whole issue?
dub: yep
kakobrekla: sauce?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00085619 = 4.2381 BTC [-] {2}
Apocalyptic: morning jurov
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.19376446 = 1.9376 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: gox is spreading so much fud in their statement
kakobrekla: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 221.07766 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.443037155331 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Mercury (0.39 AU).
kakobrekla: did this thing stop?
davout: BTC dropped 10% because of the announcement
kakobrekla: more like 20%
kakobrekla: but i think goxes strings and cans capped out
punkman: the chinese prices finally went below $700
davout: kakobrekla: looking at BC
davout: well, those delicious cheap coinz won't be lost on everyone
kakobrekla: whats the daily vol there
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.55816667 = 5.5817 BTC [-] {8}
davout: shitty
kakobrekla: hm
kakobrekla: well it can only get better once gox blows
dub: word
davout: sure, that's pretty much the plan, do stuff right and let it mature
jurov: http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2014/02/10#l1392027399 starting roughly from there
Apocalyptic: davout, sounds like a good plan
jurov: are the verifications going better yet?
davout: mucho better
davout: we have a bunch of chicks working full-time on it
kakobrekla: oh, if you have chicks, ill allow anal probing
jurov: i sent my brother over to b-c last week, dunno if he actually registered
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00285 = 0.1026 BTC [+]
davout: i need to implement referrals once everything calms down a bit
kakobrekla: btw have you looked into supporting neteller or is that something you cant do
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2000 @ 0.00279821 = 5.5964 BTC [-] {13}
davout: looks like someone is trying to pull the same kind of shit karpeles is talking about on BC
davout: except he's trying to do it with deposits
kakobrekla: hm?
davout: which is utterly retardeed
davout: i just made a deposit to my account
davout: and it appears twice, under two different TXIDs
kakobrekla: im starting to suspect gox lost a bunch of coins in this matter
davout: who knows
davout: but i can confirm first hand that someone mutated my TX on the fly
jurov: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1x93tf/some_irc_chatter_about_what_is_going_on_at_mtgox/cf99yac
Apocalyptic: kako, it's certain
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2500 @ 0.00270233 = 6.7558 BTC [-] {20}
kakobrekla: how is it certain
jurov: seems mtgox reimplemented their wallet from scratch and badly, so yes, they mayb have lost
davout: i'd suspect someone is out there mutating every single transaction around for fun and profit
jurov: from the reddit comment above
kakobrekla: doesnt open here dunno great firewall of somalia
davout: it's definitely not a problem for deposits tho
davout: it doesn't seem targeted
kakobrekla: i hear this is btce: http://i.imgur.com/XDcjlts.png
davout: lol
Apocalyptic: <kakobrekla> how is it certain // because people fixed the mispadded signature, so the coins went through and were refunded both at the same time
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0754995 = 0.5285 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: cool beans
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12 = 0.36 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0754995 = 0.3775 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12 = 0.36 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0754995 = 0.2265 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24450 @ 0.00085992 = 21.025 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: glad we have a specification that says how to properly pad the numbers and stuff
davout: word
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.19376446 = 3.8753 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00086149 = 21.968 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: well china doesn't seem to be giving many fucks, back to $700
kakobrekla: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 1327.087254 seconds. During this time, light travels 2.65946799821 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Ceres (in the main asteroid belt) (2.77 AU).
bitesak: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 605.0, Best ask: 640.0, Bid-ask spread: 35.00000, Last trade: 599.99, 24 hour volume: 34105.23173009, 24 hour low: 500.0, 24 hour high: 700.0, 24 hour vwap: 630.03267
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00085744 = 18.5207 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.1325 = 0.6625 BTC [+]
davout: that didn't last long
moiety: morning campers, what nationality theme are we having today?!
davout: definitely japanese
kakobrekla: hehe
kakobrekla: i thought twas french,.
moiety: fucking excellent.. all i know is: sakana wa akai desu
moiety: french was yesterday my friend, move with the times
moiety: and why yes, the fish is red!
davout: sakana wa oiishi desu
davout: the fish is tasty
moiety: see that is more useful
punkman: あなたはgoxedてきた
moiety: is it later tell or tell later for gribbling to someone who isnt here?
davout: former
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00085712 = 13.8425 BTC [-] {2}
moiety: thanks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00085861 = 17.1722 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40350 @ 0.00085561 = 34.5239 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13589 @ 0.00085462 = 11.6134 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 290 @ 0.00080134 = 0.2324 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00085503 = 25.6509 BTC [+] {3}
KRS1: Fuck, like Punkman said..this shit ain't over.
KRS1: ;;tell
gribble: (tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells the <nick> whatever <text> is. Use nested commands to your benefit here.
KRS1: ;;tell nickbitreal nigga
gribble: Error: I haven't seen nickbitreal, I'll let you do the telling.
moiety: whats happeing KRS1?
moiety: more fun and games at gox?
davout: this will end with guns and fame...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00086204 = 21.551 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15633 @ 0.00085231 = 13.3242 BTC [-]
KRS1: ah nothing much
punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9Wmpkqen7w
ozbot: DangerDoom (Danger Mouse & MF DOOM) - Bada Bing - YouTube
KRS1: ;;tell mircea_popescu You should petition the author of this photo and insist on adding mpex. http://i.imgur.com/edOnkZ2.jpg
gribble: Error: I haven't seen mircea_popescu, I'll let you do the telling.
ThickAsThieves: lolgox
ThickAsThieves: krs1 it's ;;later tell
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 50 @ 0.19376446 = 9.6882 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4906 @ 0.0008612 = 4.225 BTC [+]
punkman: KRS1: fixed: http://i.imgur.com/9vPVcog.png
KRS1: HAHA good job punkman
KRS1: thx the20year
KRS1: thickasthieves hows ATC
KRS1: punkman: im going to paste that img into #mtgox
ThickAsThieves: ATC goes well, it's listed on its first shady exchange
punkman: parodycoin needs parodyexchange
ThickAsThieves: maybe jurov will market-make ATC on mpex
ThickAsThieves: or maybe Apocalyptic will list it on his, assuming he's confident in his security etc
the20year: ?
ystarnaud: whats ATC?
ThickAsThieves: www.therealaltcoin.org
ystarnaud: thanks
ThickAsThieves: Gox and Bitfunder seem so similar now
Apocalyptic: ThickAsThieves, what's the shady one you're talking about ?
ThickAsThieves: https://openex.pw/index.php?page=trade&market=111
ozbot: OpenEx
ThickAsThieves: run by r3wy
ThickAsThieves: r3wt*
KRS1: haha
ThickAsThieves: apparently he has a somewhat unclean past
ThickAsThieves: ATC/BTC 0.00000157
ThickAsThieves: shouldnt be hard to beat doge
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54999999 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: lol @ dr greg "Due to the fun of repeatedly chasing my tail for several minutes, backing out of positions left unhedged by the BTC.sx delay, and eating the spread both at BTC.sx and at ICBIT as a result, the fund has taken a haircut of just over 2% -- enough to erase all our gains to date."
ThickAsThieves: On a personal note, I am not at all happy about this outcome."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53510001 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: so basically gox is making it sound like someone maybe hacked bitcoin and double spent
ystarnaud: yeah
ystarnaud: its their own mistakes
ThickAsThieves: but really their implementation was not robust enough to work properly and they have a web to untangle
ystarnaud: they fell for a scam
ystarnaud: is more like it
ThickAsThieves: the ugly part is, they surely sold preemptively
ThickAsThieves: and buy bacl low
ThickAsThieves: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2014/02/10/mt-gox-blames-bitcoin-core-developer-greg-maxwell-responds/
ystarnaud: they didnt make their software to account for this "issue" then someone probably played them claiming their money didnt go through and they resent
ystarnaud: yep
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 95 @ 0.00546961 = 0.5196 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.075987 = 0.228 BTC [+]
ystarnaud: i read somewhere too that they spend/use coins that are freshly minted and don't wait for the usual 100 confirms by the blockchain
ThickAsThieves: it tx ids are malleable why rely on them for a private system?
ThickAsThieves: i saw that too
ystarnaud: yeah someone pointed out most software will instead track user/amount/timestamp
ystarnaud: and they been told apparently
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53510001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.076 = 0.456 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 84 @ 0.0054448 = 0.4574 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.08008735 = 0.961 BTC [+] {2}
the20year: seems they were told a while ago
the20year: Maybe they'll have to go back to trading magic cards:?
KRS1: that would kick ass
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53510001 BTC [-]
KRS1: Mark wouldn't have to be bothered with this stupid coin stuff all the time.
ystarnaud: lol
KRS1: hah love this part: examined Gox’s code to some degree, and remarked that they are using a strange “hodgepodge of technologies that are really not suitable for running an exchange.”
the20year: heh ,i guess btc touched $105 on btce
ystarnaud: :O?
ystarnaud: say what?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.08498998 = 0.17 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: bitcoin is dead, long live altcoin!
ystarnaud: haha TAT
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 751 @ 0.00079393 = 0.5962 BTC [-] {6}
davout: such blasphemy
ThickAsThieves: i actually think altcoin brings many great lessons
ThickAsThieves: even to people in this chan
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.091 = 0.819 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5351 = 1.0702 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00299124 = 0.5982 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53510001 = 1.0702 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: Altcoin Having Huge Affect on Bitcoin Hashrate, Transactions Grid to Halt ~ Karpeles -- source: https://blockchain.info/charts/hash-rate
ThickAsThieves: Grind*
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53510001 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00085387 = 19.9806 BTC [-]
davout: ThickAsThieves: lmao
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14744 @ 0.00085416 = 12.5937 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53510001 = 1.0702 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53510001 = 1.0702 BTC [+]
MisterE: sup?
MisterE: whats this channel for?
ThickAsThieves: higher learning
MisterE: graduate studies?
MisterE: wtf are you doing here you slacker? :p
MisterE: whats going on?
ThickAsThieves: ?
KRS1: we trade Magic: The Gathering cards here too
MisterE: looking for some sensible chat and analysis I'm bugged out from Trollbox
KRS1: thus, assets..duh.
MisterE: oh
ThickAsThieves: well you landed in the right place
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18024 @ 0.00085459 = 15.4031 BTC [+]
MisterE: I know you from around the way ThickAsThieves maybe another network?
KRS1: We have free bait.
KRS1: .bait
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6gk192gIf1qdwh13o1_500.jpg
MisterE: assbot: lol
MisterE: free fapping material?
MisterE: I like my tits natural tho
KRS1: 24/7 dude.
KRS1: Then just .bait again and fap away.
KRS1: .bait
ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m76y6pVx651qjn8beo1_500.jpg
KRS1: We have lasers.
MisterE: So is Cox dead yet?
ThickAsThieves: MisterE, I run ASICMINER passthroughs and some other things
MisterE: this is like BTC being rid of cancer
ThickAsThieves: i recognize your name too
KRS1: ;;lasers
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
ThickAsThieves: ;;roulette
gribble: *click*
MisterE: ahh ok
MisterE: ;;eath
gribble: Error: "eath" is not a valid command.
MisterE: I'm regged with gribble from #bitcoin-otc
KRS1: you are definately in the right channel then
MisterE: what site has the best charts?
MisterE: bitcinwisdom?
MisterE: bitcoinwisdom?
KRS1: good chart analysis for Bitcoin can be had at tradingview.com..its easy.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00085459 = 7.6059 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: yeah i like bitwiz and tradingviews
MisterE: does traditional SA work with BTC?
ThickAsThieves: yesno
MisterE: haha
MisterE: thats the answer I had arrived at
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43899 @ 0.00085242 = 37.4204 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: in tradinviews, is there a way to get it to always show the date you are hovering over
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3301 @ 0.00085167 = 2.8114 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04540014 = 0.1362 BTC [-]
MisterE: hmm tradingview does commodities and all kinds of stuff
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00085793 = 16.987 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 26 @ 0.02757037 = 0.7168 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54999999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.55 = 3.3 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 59 @ 0.0047799 = 0.282 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1010 @ 0.00019543 = 0.1974 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.55 = 2.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00534 = 0.1335 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02740001 = 0.274 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: "Murder-for-Hire, the most sensationalistic and damning allegation of the government, was NOT a formal charge in the arraignment of Ross Ulbricht yesterday. When Ross stood up and pled “not guilty” to each indictment presented by the judge, there was no mention of murder at all. We have always known this claim was false. Now it is merely an “uncharged crime,” a component of the
ThickAsThieves: drug conspiracy charge."
MisterE: you'll see no retractions though, he's gone forever
MisterE: let them build a strong case too
MisterE: I always wondered seemed too sensationalist
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.12000001 = 0.96 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12 = 0.36 BTC [-]
moiety: MisterE: it's eauth command not eath to authenticate :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.12 = 0.96 BTC [-]
MisterE: thought to auth with gpg was eauth
MisterE: havent used it in months tho
moiety: yep it didn't work before because there was just a 'u' missing
MisterE: alright, thanks
moiety: np :)
nubbins`: morning
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25350 @ 0.00085856 = 21.7645 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.075 = 0.75 BTC [-]
deadweasel: "MtGox had this problem because they didn.t know about this Bitcoin property. And for most of the time transactions were not deliberately modified by anyone, so it was okay for most of the time."
the20year3: Translation "We gave away some bitcoin instead of magic cards, lolz sry k thxbye
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14669 @ 0.00085845 = 12.5926 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.077 = 0.154 BTC [+]
nubbins`: heh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.07871428 = 0.551 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: anyone who has usd/btc in gox should be ashamed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.19376446 = 1.9376 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]
mod6: nubbins`: srsly.
nubbins`: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/scientific-explanation-how-marijuana-causes-munchies-180949660/
ozbot: A Scientific Explanation of How Marijuana Causes the Munchies | Science | Smithsonian
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.079 = 1.343 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0736 = 0.368 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12909 @ 0.00085959 = 11.0964 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.1212 = 1.5756 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/ Asia Nexgen?
ozbot: Bitcoin Charts / Markets
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4213 @ 0.00085959 = 3.6215 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 18 @ 0.19376446 = 3.4878 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/10/carl-icahn-drops-apple-buyback-proposal/?mod=WSJBlog this guy lol
ozbot: Carl Icahn Drops Apple Buyback Proposal - MoneyBeat - WSJ
nubbins`: huh, HKD and USD
nubbins`: i feel like i've heard that before...
nubbins`: ugh, "ANXPRO now supports Dogecoins!"
ThickAsThieves: lol
ThickAsThieves: http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/10/5390620/twitch-one-million-broadcasters-biggest-web-traffic
ThickAsThieves: twitch beats facebook
ThickAsThieves: america is gonna be SO fat
ThickAsThieves: legal weed, people watching people play video games, etc
KRS1: aint it great
ozbot: One million broadcasters strong, Twitch surpasses Facebook in peak traffic | The Verge
KRS1: you should see my drag car..gets 10 miles to the gallon. oh and my favorite food is cheeseburger
ThickAsThieves: Twitch even beats Hulu, they must be crying
nubbins`: TIL what twitch is
Duffer1: someone should work on getting twitch broadcasters to accept btc donation
nubbins`: maybe that someone is you!
ThickAsThieves: rally the reddites!
Duffer1: i'd love to actually, but i have nothing to donate to help them see how it works hehe
ThickAsThieves: neither do they
ThickAsThieves: but so what
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1212 = 0.3636 BTC [+]
nubbins`: kakobrekla: i just told my wife about niggers.txt
nubbins`: she was in the middle of writing a proposal that she had "temporarily" named "beat-off.doc"
nubbins`: i advised her to rename ;(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00019042 = 0.3808 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: 1Enjoy1C4bYBr3tN4sMKxvvJDqG8NkdR4Z is sending random dust to me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC
ThickAsThieves: maybe it's liberated gox monety
moiety: i keep getting told "it's a thing!" but no explanation on niggers.txt
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00086089 = 17.39 BTC [+]
moiety: i like how the address is 'enjoy' ThickAsThieves
nubbins`: kako accidentally sent a file to some clients with that name
moiety: ooohhh!
moiety: oh dear, how did that pan out
ThickAsThieves: it was jurov that did it i think
nubbins`: ah
nubbins`: silly euros
usaoscoin: anyone got the link to the options calculator?
ThickAsThieves: namworld had one, i dunno if he kept it up to date though
ThickAsThieves: fukn idiots http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-02-10/is-bitcoin-over-mt-dot-gox-pauses-withdrawals
mike_c: usaoscoin: this one works off the live option prices:
mike_c: http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/options/
mike_c: but market maker is down right now..
ozbot: Option Analysis - Btc Alpha
usaoscoin: mike_c: big thanks, exactly what I was looking for
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.57999999 = 1.16 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: the video is much less stupid than the headline
mike_c: i had some lulz yesterday reading the logs with people talking about how easy it is to get 9's on a system :)
ThickAsThieves: yesterday;s log was turture
ThickAsThieves: i ended up skimming much of it
mike_c: yes.
ThickAsThieves: torture*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8587 @ 0.00086089 = 7.3925 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: lol bloomberg called the iphone smashers jackasses
ThickAsThieves: guess who writes a great line like this "The news is only the latest in a nearly year-long series of shocks to hit the once seemingly unassailable exchange. "
ThickAsThieves: how is something seemingly unassailable whilst having year of shocks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 120 @ 0.07607165 = 9.1286 BTC [-] {6}
mod6: lol bitcoinrag.
mod6: and fatass has had nohing but epic fuckups since like.. i dunno, 2010?
ThickAsThieves: i guess he does say "once"
ThickAsThieves: we are all unassailable once, after all
nubbins`: i dunno, i was raised roman catholic
nubbins`: afaik i was doomed from the start
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.07479166 = 0.8975 BTC [+] {5}
ThickAsThieves: <@gmaxwell> xiando: as far as mtgox's "proposal" having a stable-txid is handy, and sure we'll add that, in fact here is the code: https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin/commit/1173eef630783a822d9a709cfbc22ba91880231e
ThickAsThieves: <@gmaxwell> But it does not solve mtgox's problems.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00085386 = 25.9573 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/?p=418
ThickAsThieves: "Contrary to Mt. Gox’s Statement, Bitcoin is not at fault"
ThickAsThieves: I winder if theyll boot them
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12000001 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: "There are best practices to think about and account for by those who want to build companies. "
ThickAsThieves: there are?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 15 @ 0.19376446 = 2.9065 BTC [+]
the20year3: With as much money as gox had coming in/going out , they should have had a full time seucrity team doing nothing but looking for weaknesses
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02740001 = 0.1096 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00085674 = 16.1924 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 24 @ 0.02612917 = 0.6271 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.19376446 = 0.7751 BTC [+]
diametric: lol mtgox "its bitcoins fault"
mircea_popescu: who's weeklyglobalresearch.wordpress.com ?
mircea_popescu: diametric let me guess, rettardit ?
ThickAsThieves: mtgoxit
chsados-work: has anyone been able to withdrawl btc from btc-e yet?
ThickAsThieves: they have issues too?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.24028439 BTC to 1`293 shares, 95923 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: the funny thing is, of course, that
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291274.msg3118741#msg3118741
ozbot: Hey Activeminers? You won't make your investment back.
punkman: btc-e goxed themselves too?
mircea_popescu: punkman they're being run upon.
ThickAsThieves: i have some altcoins there, that's about it
mircea_popescu: chsados-work very few people here actually traded there, afaik. but they seem to be having some sort of problem
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 115 @ 0.0055 = 0.6325 BTC
ThickAsThieves: CoinDesk Removes Mt. Gox from Bitcoin Price Index
ThickAsThieves: it's happening!
mircea_popescu: ah this is so sweet.
mircea_popescu: definitely sweeter than the glbse thing.
mike_c: bitcoinaverage had a button to remove gox price from inception. can't wait for them to die, it will be better than SR dying.
mircea_popescu: anyone know the beauty and wonder that is mincemeat pie ?
ThickAsThieves: never had it whilst a carnivore
mircea_popescu: it's like lobster : so good it's illegal in some jurisdictions
joecool: and to think, lobster used to be poor man's food
mircea_popescu: so did this
mircea_popescu: well, technically, heretic's food
mircea_popescu: meat and fruit is an eastern combo, seeing how they had little choice in many places : either eat the figs or eat no veggies.
ThickAsThieves: the only seabugs i ever brang myself to eat were shrimp and perriwinkles
mircea_popescu: no lobster, ssly ?
ThickAsThieves: never
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.076 = 0.152 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.119 = 0.238 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: the smell makes me not hungry
ThickAsThieves: and scallops make me ill
ThickAsThieves: just the smell
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00280185 = 0.2522 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
deadweasel: roaches of the sea. i tried lobster again sicne I'm in Maine, but still, no stars, no amazing flavour, nothing. just sea cockroach meat.
deadweasel: marketing
ThickAsThieves: might be a taste bud, olefactory genetic thing
ThickAsThieves: also your brain is way smarter then you when it comes to cravings
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 422 @ 0.00079109 = 0.3338 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 422 @ 0.00078913 = 0.333 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2451 @ 0.00077295 = 1.8945 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.07733333 = 0.232 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1004 @ 0.0007 = 0.7028 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: scallops are iffy in that they're really no good preserved
mircea_popescu: fresh from the hands of a greek chick i nthe water... diff story.
mircea_popescu: deadweasel that's the problem with you wisconsin goodfolk. you obviously lack some of the tastebuds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 407 @ 0.0007 = 0.2849 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 64 @ 0.0055 = 0.352 BTC [+]
deadweasel: actualloy, the scallops I had in greece were excellent, I forgot about those.
deadweasel: actual alloy, the most real metal of our time.
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: i tell you, you're having paint in painted containers and think o i don't like lobster/scallops/etc
mircea_popescu: tis not true.
ThickAsThieves: i enjoyed the olives in Cyprus
mircea_popescu: i tried once octopus in oil in some can
mircea_popescu: i nearly lost it
deadweasel: mircea_popescu: you're probaly right. the fresh shrimp aren't so bad, but I'll always prefer a grassfed beef cow.
mircea_popescu: that thing was the most objectionable piece of well used tyre
mircea_popescu: deadweasel the difference being chiefly that you know the people who serve the prime beef, but not the others
deadweasel: ha, yes, fresh octo is excellent! spear fished some in greece at breakfast time, at them at lunch
punkman: there's this restaurant in Barcelona that only serves food out of cans
deadweasel: it's true, I get my beef from a local farmer, it's not gray, it's actually Red!
mircea_popescu: yeah. gray meat wtf is that.
deadweasel: my body says no.. tried to eat store bought bacon this weekend, one bite, pitched it all in the garbage.
mircea_popescu: punkman you mean they cook already opened cans or do you mean they offer a selection of stuff like canned tennis balls etc ?
punkman: no mostly just open it, dump it on a plate and serve
mircea_popescu: deadweasel "oh, beef is horrible, tastes like bugs to me" derp
punkman: the canned goods sections in Spanish supermarkets are huge, they just love the stuff
mircea_popescu: some stuff is actually better canned
deadweasel: lol, i see what you did there.
mircea_popescu: corned beef say
deadweasel: ^ nom
benkay: ;;lasers
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
punkman: fish in sauce in a can always tastes awful for me
mircea_popescu: jesus god
mircea_popescu: lol i just had this idea for a short. typical airline interior, superhot stewardess, seamed stockings
mircea_popescu: suddenly she opens the hatch, pulls out a fishing cane
mircea_popescu: casts in the ocean
mircea_popescu: gotta prepare the lunch...
mircea_popescu: prolly decent ad for some airline somewhere
punkman: deadweasel, catching an octopus is just a great way to start the day
mircea_popescu: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086034/
ozbot: Octopussy (1983) - IMDb
mircea_popescu: ^ great way to end the day
punkman: I'm gonna make some octopus stew tomorrow, maybe blog the recipe
mircea_popescu: you got a blog ?
punkman: not a recent one
punkman: but I gotta start writing again, maybe recipes will get me in the mood
mircea_popescu: a
mircea_popescu: also there are a bunch of terrines which you pretty much prefer canned...
mircea_popescu: and there's all the various caviar etc.
mircea_popescu: i guess you could run quite a kickass restaurant on cans only
punkman: mircea_popescu: they got pretty good reviews, http://www.yelp.com/biz/quimet-and-quimet-barcelona
jcpham: thankfully mtgox is here to save us from this whole bitcoin fuckup
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: just like last time right ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 64 @ 0.0055 = 0.352 BTC
jcpham: good 'ol bestgox to save the day
mircea_popescu: "Carrer del Poeta Cabanyes, 25"
mircea_popescu: dude that's a fucking address. why can't i have an address like that.
mircea_popescu: "i live at 19, the career of the herpyderp poet". sounds like it's from the adventures of knownot
joecool: "i live in a cardboard box down the street next to the guy who lives in a shoe"
joecool: etc
joecool: US census still has a "draw a picture of your address" section
mircea_popescu: (nikolai nosov book, neznaika)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00019262 = 0.1926 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.0008585 = 15.6247 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 273 @ 0.0055 = 1.5015 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81019 @ 0.00086015 = 69.6885 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.047 = 0.47 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: okay, the first to name a 90 year old blind general that took part in actual field hostilities gets 1000 ALTs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00085747 = 17.4066 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: mark karpeles
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.19376446 = 3.8753 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: haha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00085997 = 22.4452 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.55600014 = 1.668 BTC [-] {2}
Mats_cd03: 'murican robert lee?
ThickAsThieves: William "Billy" Guste Jr.
ThickAsThieves: wait he wasnt blind
ThickAsThieves: lol
ThickAsThieves: was trying to find an old attorney general
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 900 @ 0.000195 = 0.1755 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.047 = 0.282 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbNmL6hSNKw#t=22
ozbot: Fish on Wheels - YouTube
mike_c: find/replace with 13,000 hits: sublime text ran for 15 minutes before i killed it. sed took < 1 second.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9364 @ 0.00085772 = 8.0317 BTC [-]
punkman: mice_c, old age and treachery
ThickAsThieves: http://www.sigmalive.com/inbusiness/news/services/99911
wao-ender: mike_c: do it in haskell!
mike_c: sed is probably written in haskell. much speed.
mod6: mircea_popescu: was it Enrico Dandolo?
mod6: From the 4th Crusade?
ThickAsThieves: http://www.philenews.com/el-gr/oikonomia-kypros/146/184665/apantisi-tou-ds-tis-etaireias-neo-anaforika-me-anakoinosi-tis-kentrikis-trapezas
Mats_cd03: yeah thats it
Mats_cd03: now mod6 can retire to a private island
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 155 @ 0.0055 = 0.8525 BTC
punkman: ThickAsThieves: they aren't saying much, http://www.centralbank.gov.cy/nqcontent.cfm?a_id=13239
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 24 @ 0.0055 = 0.132 BTC
mircea_popescu: mod6 wd!
mircea_popescu: post an addy will you
mod6: \o/ ty, Sir.
mod6: Sure thing
mod6: 1G34X8K9LYsZMn4dQ4e7HFe5V127zV6Ln6
kakobrekla: just keep it at pankakaes wallet
kakobrekla: bah
mircea_popescu: 1G34X8K9LYsZMn4dQ4e7HFe5V127zV6Ln6 pankkake pls to pay 1k atc
mod6: tyvm :D
mircea_popescu: this was fun.
mod6: *nod*
nubbins`: mincemeat pie
nubbins`: closest i've had is shepherd's pie, which i suspect is not the same at all
nubbins`: mince pies have pastry tops, yes?
kakobrekla: if everyone uses pankake we dont even need blockchain at all
kakobrekla: that would be a real revolution i saa
kakobrekla: say
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yep
mircea_popescu: the rape of the pankkake ?
kakobrekla: save on hashpower and hdds
mike_c: a centralized altcoin. there's an innovation for you.
mike_c: the blockchain is log.bitcoin-assets.com
nubbins`: speaking of seafood
nubbins`: cuttlefish jerky was big in korea
nubbins`: i developed a fondness for it
nubbins`: served with hot mayonnaise, natch
kakobrekla: lol true dat mike
kakobrekla: might have to shut it down now!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.0055 = 0.1925 BTC
mjr_: so...
mjr_: is gox finally dead
mjr_: ?
kakobrekla: yeah they self killed themselfs
nubbins`: ehh, it's been dead for a while. still coughs up blood every now and again tho
kakobrekla: its been dead yea, bit people want to belie
kakobrekla: believe
kakobrekla: dammit, but people want to believe, is what i meant to say
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: bit people do as well
deadweasel: pankkakechain
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00544001 = 0.1034 BTC [-]
deadweasel: sounds like a sex act of dubious value
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> ehh, it's been dead for a while. still coughs up blood every now and again tho <<
mircea_popescu: you should see the fucktarded "press".
mircea_popescu: "bitcoin defaults"
deadweasel: lol at comment: This is surprising.
deadweasel: So a guy who calls himself "Magical Tux" and describes himself as "PHP Developer working on some weird stuff, like a mail server (POP3/IMAP4/SMTP) written in PHP" was not able to build a reliable worldwide exchange?
nubbins`: HEH
nubbins`: "weird stuff"
Duffer1: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/176341-mt-gox-tries-to-pin-its-own-incompetence-on-bitcoin-bug
ozbot: Mt. Gox tries to pin its own incompetence on Bitcoin bug | ExtremeTech
Duffer1: hurray for extremetech
asciilifeform: so 'gox == btc' is still being farted out by Fucktard Press
deadweasel: !b1
deadweasel: fuckit
deadweasel: ;;fuckit
gribble: Error: "fuckit" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform will be for a while
nubbins`: Fucktard Press, Inc.
mircea_popescu: glbse = finance had been the rallying cry of the walking dead all through 2012
asciilifeform: prediction: a 'new, exciting' replacement, similar to gox circa 2012, will be inserted in its place
asciilifeform: once Fucktard Finance, Inc. cranks one out
nubbins`: a division of Fucktard Global
mircea_popescu: no wai, yo uthink ?!
asciilifeform: can't wait to see what other 'bugs' in the protocol 'must be fixed!' before 'our children and the homeland are safe'
asciilifeform: puzzle: why is gox not involved with alt-scams? i thought this was 'mandatory' for Fucktard Finance Inc. now.
deadweasel: did they ever implement litcoin?? Their saying they 'might' is involvment with altscams.
diametric: they did not
mike_c: hehe. fucktard press quotes could be as good as coinion. "bitcoin fatal flaw: transactions can't be reversed"
mike_c: http://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/11/once-you-use-bitcoin-you-cant-go-back-and-that-irreversibility-is-its-fatal-flaw/
Duffer1: lol
ozbot: Once You Use Bitcoin You Can't Go 'Back' — And That's Its Fatal Flaw | Wired Opinion | Wired.com
asciilifeform: it is quite odd that gox never rolled out 'goxcoin'
diametric: At least some people seem to see through mtgox's bullshit
nubbins`: asciilifeform, i groan at the number of exchanges that support altscams
kakobrekla: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/suicide-bomber-kills-suicide-bomers
ozbot: Suicide Bomber Instructor Blows Up Suicide Bombers-In-Training
nubbins`: "hey a new canadian exchange! great!"
nubbins`: "...oh, they support doge"
mircea_popescu: mike_c they been running that shit since about 2012
mircea_popescu: something awful's talking points.
mircea_popescu: diametric from the get-go the entire scamset (mtgox and bfl and pirate and etc) were working together under the guise of the foundation thing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'bitcoin magazine' gang?
mircea_popescu: not particularly accidental that they vouched for the bfl scam, not happenstance that they still are covering for vessenes' frauds
nubbins`: i tell ya, the time is ripe for the Bitcoin Authority to rear its head
mircea_popescu: not coincidental that they're trying to cover for gox now.
nubbins`: shrem, karpopopopopolel, etc
mircea_popescu: and not at all unrelated to how we just ain't friends.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform myea.
asciilifeform: if these folks had half a brain, they'd be pushing the 'altscam to rule them all' about now.
mircea_popescu: now and again i take one of their guys, send him flying through three sheets of frozen glass, distribute the photos. it's really a lot of fun.
asciilifeform: complete with master keys (bonus if hidden), artificial infusions of fiat to pump up 'value', collaboration with governments...
jurov: who tf names their company coinsulting?
mircea_popescu: jurov ahaha they done got your nigger.txt one better
nubbins`: co-insulting
jurov: just got borderline lulzy spam from them
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they be kids.
jurov: Our firm Coinsulting Ltd. is first Crypto consulting agency specializing on compliance services for Bitcoin businesses. We advise our clients how to do their business legally all around the world. On March 22nd 2014, we are organizing a Bitcoin event in Shanghai, China called BTCrisis conference.
asciilifeform: 'expertSexchange'
nubbins`: heh
mircea_popescu: jurov conveniently omitting to name any of those clients which they advised
nubbins`: i dunno
nubbins`: http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/gox-screen.jpg
mircea_popescu: was it what, bitfunder ? mtgox ? coinwhateveritwas ?
nubbins`: you trust a guy who sits on one of those, you deserve what you get
mircea_popescu: nubbins` when you're fat and you dork with computers a lot your lower back suffers.
nubbins`: sure, so stand up
nubbins`: you can tell he's forced the other guy to sit on one, too
asciilifeform: that rubber ball isn't a medical cure, it's a 'silicon valley' fucktard inc. 'dog whistle' signal.
nubbins`: "take a seat"
jurov: If you are interested in becoming a Coinsultant, this is a right time for you. Coinsulting family is growing same as Crypto Currencies do. In case you consider yourself being the right one, please send us your CV at careers@coinsulting.net
nubbins`: balls everywhere
jurov: hahahahaha
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it forces you to constantly adjust your vertical. it helps.
asciilifeform: wonder if andreesen horowitz (or whoever) actually issues those balls...
mircea_popescu: they probably have an approved brand
asciilifeform: i imagine it came out of somewhere quasi-rational, sure. but it seems to have this other purpose now, as well.
jurov: prolly i'll advise to rename themselves to coinslutants
benkay: sitting on a ball isn't going to fix the health problem of being obese.
nubbins`: ^
nubbins`: heh
wao-ender: coinsluts, right.
nubbins`: how he'll die young with good posture
benkay: fuckin priorities do you got 'em?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no argument, more dogwhistle than anything by now
mircea_popescu: benkay i never fucked Priorities, no. is she hawt ?
nubbins`: hot, but always busy
mircea_popescu: mwh.
asciilifeform: eventually the ball will go out of fashion, and they will move to those treadmill-plus-laptop gadgets or somesuch.
KRS1: .bait
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6gk192gIf1qdwh13o1_500.jpg
KRS1: I think I've seen all of these...moar plz.
asciilifeform: any 'teledildonics' experts here? what's the state-of-the-art in exercise-powered diddling machines
nubbins`: ;;ud mwh
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/author.php?author=MWH+yo | ... home Nolifing WoW. mark as favorite buy nolifing mugs & shirts · computer games 1337 video speak by MWH yo January 31, 2009 add a video add an image ...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: Author MWH yo
nubbins`: asciilifeform, using a laptop on a treadmill is brutal
asciilifeform: nubbins`: could be made to work. 'chording keyboard' in the handlebars.
nubbins`: there ya go
kakobrekla: and move mouse with your dick
nubbins`: the whole "laptop tray across the bars" thing doesn't work
nubbins`: no arm support
nubbins`: bad for your neck too
mircea_popescu: nubbins` but what if you were solidly anchored in a 9 inch solid steel
mircea_popescu: buttplug ?
asciilifeform: ocular in place of laptop screen.
nubbins`: then you better not stop walking :D
mircea_popescu: could even have the error ding as a vibration
benkay: i want my display on one six-axis arm, and my kb on another. then i want the controller to optimize positioning of kb and monitor indpendently to optimize my posture.
benkay: and i want this thing to follow me everywhere.
mircea_popescu: and i want to shoot benkay
benkay: outta mah FACE
mircea_popescu: shot shot
mircea_popescu: in da butt
benkay: go home mircea_popescu you're drunk
mircea_popescu: drunk@home
mircea_popescu: should be a tumblr
nubbins`: distributed drinking
pankkake: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2014#495235 looks like everything he uses turns out to be a scam ☝︎
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/canadian-shot-in-dominican-republic-as-manitoba-students-watch-1.2519822
ozbot: Canadian shot in Dominican Republic as Manitoba students watch - Manitoba - CBC News
pankkake: also, ATC sent to mod6
nubbins`: guy gets shot NINE TIMES while cracking heads
the20year3: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Apo1scQacB7XdHd3UVh5MlhtUU1DY1ZlUEVDNG04d0E&usp=sharing
ozbot: Google Drive
mircea_popescu: pankkake some peeps are lucky like that
mircea_popescu: you can usually recognise them by how they rant @mpoe-pr
mircea_popescu: and ty.
mod6: thx pankkake!
pankkake: http://cryto.net/~joepie91/blog/2014/02/10/why-mtgox-is-full-of-shit/
ozbot: Why Mt. Gox is full of shit - joepie91's Ramblings
pankkake: interesting, blaming Bitcoin, like bitfunder
mircea_popescu: derp.
asciilifeform: the otherwise-inconsequential 'tx id' shenanigans: is that how satoshidice was pwned?
mircea_popescu: inb4 karpeles comes out in march with a "well we can't say anything but not even bitfunder said anything yet so"
asciilifeform: (if i recall, they fed their PRNG tx id for a seed)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was sd pwned ?
the20year3: Who's running a scam?
asciilifeform: pwned in the sense of certain people taking home astronomically-improbable winnings
nubbins`: the20year3, almost everyone
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, you're right
mircea_popescu: not quite afaik
the20year3: is this TAT's fund or someone else's?
mircea_popescu: the20year3 follow the link eh. it's some greg guy on the forum
wao-ender: v0v, so, gox is out of business by delisting from price trackers, imma right?
diametric: gox will live on as people trade non-existent bitcoins internal to their platform.
mircea_popescu: wao-ender end of the road for them yea
mircea_popescu: in a sense they had been slowly being decoupled from btc economy since april 2013.
wao-ender: end of line (c) Tron.
mircea_popescu: it was well managed in that the eventual final shock surprised/shocked no one
asciilifeform: they'll simply 'repay' their chumps in 'goxcoin', as soon as mr. k gets gcc working on his box.
wao-ender: yeah, also I was well played, controlled implosion.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can you even compile gcc in php ?
asciilifeform: they'll use that online 'alcoin generator', as soon as it gets a '100% premined' ticky-box in the menu.
Dimsler_: karples that fat fucking nerd
Dimsler_: can't way till hes out of the fucking picture
asciilifeform: 'ponzigen.com' ?
asciilifeform: or, for the techno-trendiness points, 'mkponzi'
asciilifeform: for extra fee, will pump (and dump) automagically...
wao-ender: these guys http://cryptortrust.com/ looks like scam to me. Do someone know them?
mircea_popescu: nop
twizt: wao-ender:
pankkake: Cryptor Trust Inc. ‘s <- can't use correct typography, scam
twizt: do u trust ur own financial advisor
twizt: ?
jurov: in coinslutants we trust
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.047 = 0.658 BTC [-]
benkay: in sluts we trust.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04897954 = 0.2939 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: <the20year3> is this TAT's fund or someone else's? ---- it was referring to Dr Greg
deadweasel: ;;getrating slut-trust
gribble: Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating
ThickAsThieves: i'm no longer destitute
ThickAsThieves: i haz ATCs
deadweasel: not destitute, prostitute
ThickAsThieves: "The only way to quickly buy bitcoins requires cash: a consuming, hastle-prone step." how you know an article is garbage
pankkake: ;;ud slut
pankkake: uh.
pankkake: well it would have shown "a woman with the morals of a man"
ThickAsThieves: "Even at a 10 billion dollar market cap — the peak achieved by Beanie Babies in 1999 — bitcoin is almost irrelevant in financial terms."
pankkake: "Someone who provides a very needed service for the community"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves who's that ?
ThickAsThieves: Wired
mircea_popescu: i need a name.
ThickAsThieves: sec
mircea_popescu: for my little black book.
asciilifeform: pederasts.txt ?
pankkake: you might want to do a whilelist instead
ThickAsThieves: @NCWeaver
mircea_popescu: nicholas Weaver
mircea_popescu: pankkake but i don't.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, just preparing the workrolls for the uranium mines of the future.
ThickAsThieves: wot does that
mircea_popescu: kiddos born in the "you can do anything" utopia have little idea just how much impact deeds and misdeeds actually have on their own future.
asciilifeform: aha. plenty of yellow mud left at Butugichag for these folks.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.00298729 = 0.4182 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 16 @ 0.02501001 = 0.4002 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.557 BTC [+]
benkay: yikes.
the20year3: I haven't read much on dr greg
ThickAsThieves: he says a lot of words when he talk
ThickAsThieves: s
ThickAsThieves: he's probably Deprived when sober
the20year3: In my brother's short 15 minute conversation with DHL ,the rep/head sure did seem to understand the massive benefit to acceptance
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13513 @ 0.00086072 = 11.6309 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: generally it's not that they don't understand the benefits of acceptance.
moiety: evenin'
mircea_popescu: generally it's that they don't understand the benefits of submission
mircea_popescu: they can't put up with the notion that much smarter, much better people are there to lead them, so they end up with issues such as starting alt coins,
mircea_popescu: "waiting for adoption"
mircea_popescu: etc etc.
mircea_popescu: moiety heya
benkay: o/ moiety
moiety: how are we all and am i speaking in the correct language today?
mircea_popescu: ja je bent
davout: spreek jij ook nu nederlands heh?
davout: leuk
mircea_popescu: een beetje :D
mike_c: damn, JD investors kicking ass last few months. nov/dec/jan returns are 4%, 5.2%, 6.5%
mircea_popescu: .jd
pankkake: !jd
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 0 BTC profit, 0.0k BTC invested, 0.00 mio bets, 0.00 mio BTC wagered
Duffer1: nokawa stop gambling?
mircea_popescu: a ok
pankkake: I think so
mircea_popescu: derp
mircea_popescu: mike_c did it reach ev yet or notrly ?
pankkake: Doge-Dice looks even more profitable than Just-Dice though :p
mike_c: it's been tracking pretty closely last few months
mike_c: https://bitcoinproject.net/justdice.php
mircea_popescu: arguably the jd risk is actually > mpbond risk
mircea_popescu: then again i guess arguably the reverse is true too
mike_c: hm. how would you argue that? :)
mircea_popescu: which of the two ?
mike_c: jd risk > mpbor risk
mike_c: i know how to quantify jd risk. mpbor i'm still floundering a bit..
mircea_popescu: jd bot takes 1% margin. mpbot takes significantly more.,
mjr_: mircea_popescu: i just saw you have a euro future, nice
mjr_: was wondering what the index was for options now
nubbins`: i had a dream that i visited romania last night
nubbins`: very nice country, lots of red roofs
mircea_popescu: mjr_ same as always, bitcoincahrts
mike_c: that's only one piece of the risk though, volatility on mpbor is so unpredictable.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` there are.
mjr_: mircea_popescu: does that include gox then?
davout: mircea_popescu: i'd argue it's easier to measure the risk on something random, uniformly distributed than on something chaotic
mircea_popescu: mike_c i did say "arguably" did i
mike_c: yes
mircea_popescu: davout how do you know it's uniformly distributed in the first place ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.118 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: mjr_ not anymore afaik
davout: the JD rolls
mircea_popescu: yes, the jd rolls.
davout: aren't they?
moiety: Ik moet deze taal kennen. Ik ben geboren in Nederland. nokawa is the whale high roller man right?
mircea_popescu: that's not the point lol. how do you know they are ?
mike_c: but the risk on JD is all about the whales
mike_c: and they are not uniformly distributed
davout: moiety: waar in nederland ?
davout: mircea_popescu: because of the way it's computed
mircea_popescu: what, a wizard did it ?
mircea_popescu: either show it or don't show it.
mike_c: but rolls != volatility. rolls being uniformly distributed does not mean returns will be predictable.
kakobrekla: !jd
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 13119 BTC profit, 40.1k BTC invested, 611.46 mio bets, 4.97 mio BTC wagered
mircea_popescu: mike_c even sidestepping the whale issue. who told you that the way they compute is actually uniformly distributed ?
mircea_popescu: whoa that's awful, -70% ?
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 13119 / 49700
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.119 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
mike_c: the only concern for an investor would be that their computation method has an exploitable flaw
davout: what i'm trying to say is that the returns on JD are based on something random, on which you can use statistics to infer stuff, on the other hand, market prices are not random, but chaotic, hence it not being comparable
mike_c: that is greater than 1% edge.
mjr_: still looks like mt gox is part of bitcoincharts
mjr_: but i haven't verified it yet
mircea_popescu: davout just because something is based on something random you can't actually proclaim it uniform tho
mircea_popescu: f(x) = x + rnd(x) is based on something random and quite biased
mjr_: its listed under USD markets...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.55092307 = 7.162 BTC [-] {5}
davout: the distribution is irrelavant, what i'm saying is that there is one
mircea_popescu: ok so there is one.
davout: whereas on chaotic values there is no distribution, no mean, no standard deviation etc
mircea_popescu: ><
mircea_popescu: what are you, like new ?
davout: talk to me like i'm five, or a golden retriever for that matter
mircea_popescu: any set has a mean.
davout: any finite set has a mean
mircea_popescu: once it has a mean, any element of that set has a sdev
mircea_popescu: what, you're proposing jd is working on infinite sets ?
davout: no, i'm saying there are fundamental differences in random values, and chaotic values
davout: s/in/between/
mircea_popescu: such as ?
jurov: jd game will always be between 1 and 65565
jurov: whereas bitcoin price ?
davout: them not obeying the usual laws of statistics
mike_c: yeah, but nobody cares what the rolls are, we care about investor returns.
mircea_popescu: what is this, mysticity ?
davout: hang on, gonna fish that book about chaos i read a while ago, really really interesting read
mircea_popescu: jurov but any option will be worth between itself and nothing
mike_c: it only matters if investor returns on JD are predictable. which 1) they are if there are a bunch of small bettors, 2) they are not if there are whales.
mircea_popescu: anyway. this discussion is not really resolvable, hence the arguables early on
mircea_popescu: we could talk about it 4evar
mike_c: before we shut it down, i've been trying to figure out how mpbor capital needs are calculated.
mike_c: you confused me the other day when you said the put sales didn't trigger a capital need by mpoe
benkay: largest amount of btc needed to cover positions over the course of the month, right?
mike_c: oh, so it only triggers a capital need if the price moves adversely?
mircea_popescu: mike_c i said that ?!
davout: mircea_popescu: this guy, read it if you haven't already -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos:_Making_a_New_Science
mircea_popescu: benkay yes.
mircea_popescu: mike_c say wut ?
mike_c: i will fish it out of logs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73750 @ 0.00085915 = 63.3623 BTC [-] {5}
benkay: chaos theory is the best theory
nubbins`: nonlinear differential equations
davout: o/
nubbins`: did a course on them in uni
nubbins`: fun stuff
benkay: indeed indeed
benkay: fun programming exercise: make a thing that demonstrates "real" chaos
nubbins`: aha, found a casascius buyer!
mike_c: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2014#479378 ☝︎
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
nubbins`: these things actually turned out to be a pretty good investment
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37600 @ 0.00085677 = 32.2146 BTC [-] {3}
mike_c: mircea_popescu:nah cause they're sales see << maybe you were referring to something else
jurov: these options were covered by seller, not by mpoe
mike_c: right, but mpoe had to buy them, where did that money come from?
nubbins`: doge
mircea_popescu: mike_c yeah seriously.
mircea_popescu: whosoever sells an option has first to create it, which takes collateral. in the case of mpbot this goes into its collateral needs for the month.
mircea_popescu: whosoever buys an option must has the btc to pay for it. in the case of mpbot this goes into its collateral needs for the month
mircea_popescu: at the end of the month the widest berth of that collateral need is taken as "the needed collatera" figure
mike_c: ok, so by purchasing those options it did trigger a capital need that bondholders will collect interest on. right?
mircea_popescu: yep
mike_c: k, thx
mircea_popescu: Feb 04 22:05:18 <jurov>!t m ^oix
mircea_popescu: Feb 04 22:05:19 <jurov>..computing...
mircea_popescu: Feb 04 22:05:19 <assbot>[MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 122.22370491 / 121.39535668 / 120.63410743 (14 shares, 0.61 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
mircea_popescu: Feb 04 22:05:57 <mircea_popescu>nah cause they're sales see
mircea_popescu: it was in response to jurov's command. they wouldn't show in oix cause they're sales.
nubbins`: supposing there's a month where no collateral is needed, bondholders collect no interest?
mircea_popescu: yea
mircea_popescu: just like you know, if nobody plays on jd for a month investors collect no interest
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2494 @ 0.00018991 = 0.4736 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00543898 = 0.1849 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1228 @ 0.00018992 = 0.2332 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02501002 = 0.1251 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00019676 = 0.1968 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55 = 1.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.57998273 = 2.8999 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58499977 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.077 = 0.385 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.118 = 0.236 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.11916666 = 0.3575 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
mike_c: too bad nobody seems to put on that play. watching the movie instead seems like a bad idea.
nubbins`: what play
Shakespeare: The devil hath power to assume a pleasing shape.
mike_c: merchant of venice.
nubbins`: ah
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.078 = 0.39 BTC [+] {3}
Shakespeare: http://www.bing.com/blogs/site_blogs/b/search/archive/2014/02/10/coinbit.aspx
ozbot: Bitcoin Conversion Now Live - Search Blog
nubbins`: was about to lel @ .aspx until i noticed the domain
dub: the fuck is bing
nubbins`: microsoft google
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.118 BTC [-]
dub: yeah but
mircea_popescu: mike_c the al pacino movie is almost ok
mircea_popescu: but the play itself is great.
nubbins`: they were the first search engine to do thumbnail video previews!
asciilifeform: when do we get 'microshit coin' ?
mircea_popescu: yet there's no search engine doing gif video encoding on teh fly
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, a loss for us all
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform never because fuctards are more interested in "saving the world" in the shape of doing something or the other in africa
mircea_popescu: as if.
nubbins`: meantime, GIMP is capable gif creator
Shakespeare: actually
nubbins`: you append the name of each layer with a time in milliseconds
nubbins`: e.g. Layer1 (5ms)
nubbins`: save as .gif
Shakespeare: Bill Gates: "Over the next 5 years I think digital money will catch on in India and parts of Africa and help the poorest a lot."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: nubbins` http://xmodulo.com/2013/11/convert-video-animated-gif-image-linux.html
Shakespeare: The motions of his spirit are as dull as night..
mircea_popescu: it's just two lines in an awk
mircea_popescu: but most of the world doesn't have linux cause they live in the poor world which gates helped.
nubbins`: oh hey, look
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall your essay on 'the cost of linux' ?
BingoBoingo: Shylock should have been the hero
asciilifeform: or was that here in the channel
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. nevertheless, insteaf of teaching the fucktarded horde to chant "white privilege" "global warming" "feed the hungry"
mircea_popescu: you could just as well teach them to chant "ffmpeg" "awk" "youtube-dt" etc
mircea_popescu: purely arbitrary what they chant.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo shylock was the hero.
mircea_popescu: who do you figure the hero was, portia ?
mircea_popescu: she's just "nature"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, he lost in that travesty of fiat justice at the end
mircea_popescu: nah nah not at all.
BingoBoingo: I figured the hero was the storms that sunk the ships
asciilifeform: bonus points for anybody who can crap out a scripting language where all valid proggys are chantable.
mircea_popescu: portia ie athena points out to him that mere words without context decay into meaninglessness
mircea_popescu: "have you a surgeon ? " "tis not in the bond"
asciilifeform: (herr moldbug sort of tried this, half-heartedly)
mircea_popescu: "neither is any leverage for blood spilling on the ground"
mircea_popescu: in this she has a point, and so shylock has learned something new about contracts.
BingoBoingo: I haven't thought much about that play in about a decade
mircea_popescu: it's actually very deep
mircea_popescu: just, the ripeness of its depth is not directly observable for bitcoin noobs
mircea_popescu: which is... everyone up until 2012 or so
mircea_popescu: but otherwise... this is art, that's how you know it : you only find out later hw deep it really was.
asciilifeform: the 'eternally noobile' are almost a species unto themselves.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00085547 = 2.8231 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: bassaro and the other ghuy are mere puppets, nessie even says to her guy
mircea_popescu: "you're lucky i'm not hearing you"
mircea_popescu: i say this to my slaves all the time.
Shakespeare: maybe you'd prefer, "have your mouth fill'd up. Before you open it."
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: words in principle are meaningless, and cultural references idem could serve both a thesis and its anti
mircea_popescu: ("a new daniel has come!" "a daniel, thank you for teaching me a new word!")
mircea_popescu: which is why self-enforcing contracts are such ridiculous nonsense.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.0008611 = 5.6833 BTC [+]
jurov: ;;seen namworld
pankkake: ;;seen gribble
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/FEgSzma.gif
deadweasel: davout: read that when I was 18, changed everything.
Dimsler_: lol
Dimsler_: i got 2 of those
Dimsler_: long haired
Apocalyptic: deadweasel, you read what ?
pizzaman1337: Apocalyptic: davout mentioned this earlier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos:_Making_a_New_Science
deadweasel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos:_Making_a_New_Science
ozbot: Chaos: Making a New Science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Apocalyptic: missed the link, thanks
deadweasel: np
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.118 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0765 = 0.153 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.118 = 0.236 BTC [-]
davout: Apocalyptic pizzaman1337 deadweasel this book is really really awesome, order it now, do it
davout: (for those who haven't read it already :-) )
Shakespeare: Mark Zuckerberg, Wife Were Most Generous Philanthropists In 2013
deadweasel: in fact, buy two, give one to an idiot.
deadweasel: or loved one, or both, should that be the case
Shakespeare: Hide not thy poison with such sugar'd words, Mark.
mircea_popescu: ;p;
BingoBoingo: https://imgflip.com/gif/6pd9p
Shakespeare: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 1488.827797 seconds. During this time, light travels 2.98359423544 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Ceres (in the main asteroid belt) (2.77 AU).
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34200 @ 0.00085649 = 29.292 BTC [-]
Shakespeare: "Michael Gronager, COO from Kraken, a U.S.-based exchange that currently specializes in trading euros for bitcoin, said attacks that exploit transaction malleability have grown rapidly from being almost non-existent in the bitcoin economy a couple of weeks ago to 4,000 false claims for non-payment on Sunday alone."
Shakespeare: specializes in trading euros for bitcoin
Shakespeare: U.S.-based exchange
deadweasel: so it is an auto-bot
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 2145 @ 0.0055 = 11.7975 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04824967 = 0.1447 BTC [-]
deadweasel: wisely exploited
Shakespeare: "Okay, dogecoiners, you got us. It may surprise people who don’t even know about bitcoin to learn that there are number of alternative, electronic currencies out there. They include litecoin, Ripples, Mastercoin, Quark, the soon-to-come auroracoin (for Icelanders)…and dogecoin, a newcomer that started out just in December as something of a joke"
Shakespeare: ~WSJ
Shakespeare: no mention of Altcoin wtf
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.19376446 = 3.8753 BTC [+]
dub: inexcusable
dub: clearly this 'wall street' knows nothing of finance
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.121 = 0.363 BTC [+] {3}
Shakespeare: they mentioned Ripples after all
Shakespeare: doge i can understandf
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00085904 = 11.4252 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.19376446 = 3.8753 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0055 = 1.1 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1215 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.19376446 = 0.7751 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1215 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.053 = 0.106 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 18 @ 0.12175 = 2.1915 BTC [+]
dub: http://rt.com/news/us-military-sex-abuse-281/
dub: do they have maff in russia
dub: comments..
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.04897953 = 1.4694 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.12279999 = 1.228 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16585 @ 0.00085868 = 14.2412 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1249 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.125 = 0.25 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: look what i found on rt , since you linked it
kakobrekla: http://rt.com/usa/bitcoin-florida-laundering-arrest-431/
kakobrekla: exchange couple of btc and get fucked.
kakobrekla: Espinoza, prosecutors allege, arranged such a deal with an undercover agent in early December in which that officer paid $500 for 0.403 BTC, in turn generating a profit of around $83.67 for the seller. Investigators then arranged for a second transaction to occur days later, that time purchasing 1 BTC for $1,000 and earning Espinoza around $167.56 through fees as a result.
kakobrekla: OH MY 160 bucks terrorists!
dub: cryptoterrorists
dub: a messican and cunukistani, what were they even doing in gods great nation
Shakespeare: shitty
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.0549995 = 0.385 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.05504657 = 0.8257 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.05509999 = 0.6612 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.05509999 = 0.2204 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.07271427 = 0.509 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1212 = 0.2424 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 6 @ 0.08349998 = 0.501 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: basically this is butthurt over btc not giving a shit.
mircea_popescu: "and then i said to him, we intend to break the us law, your honor, and he said i don't give a shit about this us you speak of"
mircea_popescu: "BURN THE WITCH!!1"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1225 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P440T] 1 @ 0.6125182 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456983.msg5055951#msg5055951 bwhaha
Duffer1: "and allows for near-perfect anonymity. " uhh...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1760 @ 0.00019089 = 0.336 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P440T] 16 @ 0.61133429 = 9.7813 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 400 @ 0.0008611 = 0.3444 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "Of course, all i am saying is true. Just wait, time will tell. I am not here to scam anyone. Period."
mircea_popescu: derp
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P440T] 10 @ 0.61133429 = 6.1133 BTC [-]
mike_c: ^ it can't go any lower!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00086137 = 18.261 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00018992 = 0.1899 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: mebbe not
mircea_popescu: anyway, re the earlier money laundering bs
mircea_popescu: unless the state gets a plea bargain they're going to be humiliated at trial.
mircea_popescu: there's absolutely no way a judge actually even hears the case of 500 dollars "money laundering"
mircea_popescu: cause some dood sold some online shit
KRS1: ridiculous
Mats_cd03: how optimistic
mircea_popescu: either that or they're getting all the WoW sword of x "money laundering" cases into their state,
mircea_popescu: and they'll never see the end of that docket.
mircea_popescu: then the media frenzy of "the state of florida spent $195,000 taxpayer dollars to harass some random guy playing online, and got laughed out of court for it"
mircea_popescu: "meanwhile we have 8739843 unresolved rapes, murders, arson, kidnapping, robbery and assaults"
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P440T] 7 @ 0.61135724 = 4.2795 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: but i guess the settlement culture being what it is... they figure they got a shot.
KRS1: Of the 50 states, I'll admit, Florida is different with reguard to legislation..but certainly not the worst. Has something to do with being part of the historical "deep south".
mircea_popescu: regardless of that, tho.
mircea_popescu: it's quite visible what happened there, mongoloid cops went to the da with their "investigation", da told them he won't prosecute
mircea_popescu: so they went back and derped about 57439875983489 dollars and IDENTITY THEFT etc
mircea_popescu: the da hasn't passed on it for w/e reason, but it's hardly a case.
asciilifeform: 'law' is a distinctly poor description of the mechanism at work here
asciilifeform: 'article 58' of the soviet penal code was also 'law,' used in this exact way.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04897952 = 0.1469 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: ('Lettre de cachet' for troublemakers)
mircea_popescu: dude get out.
mircea_popescu: first off, the entire state of florida is not cool enough to issue one single such magical device per annum
mircea_popescu: second off, derpy mc derp, police officer of 88 iq is DEFINITELY not the firestarter there.
asciilifeform: certainly not.
asciilifeform: but you set up the muppet theatre 'with the muppets you have, not the muppets you wish you had.'
mircea_popescu: nah, the entire thing is well... scare the malfeasants for a coupla days, they look dorky, who knows what info they have to share.
mircea_popescu: the proper way a police is run since about 500bc
asciilifeform: 'operative methods,' yes.
mircea_popescu: myeah.
asciilifeform: which is why the 'perfect dpr' owns no computer, neither do his friends, and is, in fact: a dentist. (whose name we will never learn.)
jurov: everyone, upon stumbling on the malleable tx myself i can explain where is the problem exactly
mircea_popescu: jurov shoot
jurov: bitcoind listtransactions normally doesn't show duplicates
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22715 @ 0.0008594 = 19.5213 BTC [-]
jurov: er.. double spends
jurov: but it does show diddled txs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you know the perfect man joke ?
jurov: even after one of them confirms
mircea_popescu: so ?
jurov: and even in 0.9.0rc1
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ?
jurov: so anyone who accepts zeroconf and uses listtransactions is hosed
mircea_popescu: doh ?
jurov: there is no indication its the same tx
mircea_popescu: how is this news or anything ?
deadweasel: only to gox
mircea_popescu: amply documented since before i made mpex cause i knew of it at the time
mircea_popescu: "i distinctly remember ppl going no what, seriously ?! you misunderstood something"
KRS1: what was I thinking of..money laundering isn't handled by the state anyway, only the charge could be filed but the prosecution is handled in federal court.
KRS1: Do you guys remember Robocop moviee from the 1980's?
mircea_popescu: KRS1 yup. prolly the policemen get paid regardless, just for making up charges or some shit.
jurov: i didn't knew that, for one. but i am not doing zeroconf anyway
jurov: various dice sites, tho...
KRS1: Yeah exctly.
KRS1: I don't remember this scene from Robocop: http://efukt.com/21126_I_don%27t_remember_this_in_Robocop.html
deadweasel: part of that was filmed in the George r brown convention center in houston,tx
KRS1: Penis everywhere.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46700 @ 0.00085637 = 39.9925 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform new men supermarket opens in a town, where women can come and simply buy themselves a boyfriend. first floor : "Here are guys who like beer and watching tv". 2nd floor : sensitive guys who only want to hug and hang out. 3rd floor : all the women, and a huge panel : This floor only exists to show you you can never be satisfied.
KRS1: haha
mircea_popescu: jurov if you want i can prolly dig up some diddled txn to my addies
deadweasel: would make a nice post, no?
mircea_popescu: incidentally : CORRECTLY DESIGNED BITCOIN SITES, SUCH AS MPEx, that use tx encoding in the payment ARE IMMUNE TO THIS, and many other bugs.
mircea_popescu: for yet another page in the "what's mpex got anyway".