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snsabot: Logged on 2017-12-19 18:23:09 trinque: "eudev" exists as an alternative to the systemd-
udev. dunno what else the heathens stapled to systemd meanwhile
diana_coman: does anyone know what eudev is? (apparently some gentoo fork of
udev working with openrc but unclear at this point if it's at all acceptable on a system)
a111: Logged on 2018-04-16 10:05 spyked: then moving from this approach you can systematically eliminate e.g. "pdf library" or e.g. "
udev" or e.g. "protected mode" or everything else that is not *needed* for the system, not just userland (if there should be anything such as "a userland" at all in there)
spyked: then moving from this approach you can systematically eliminate e.g. "pdf library" or e.g. "
udev" or e.g. "protected mode" or everything else that is not *needed* for the system, not just userland (if there should be anything such as "a userland" at all in there)
☟︎ spyked: every time OS insists on pulling in "
udev" or "tls" or whatever other packages (tons of examples in the logs), it's because someone wanted to add more "general-purpose" scaffolding.
trinque: ah the
udev rules thing; asciilifeform's solution would be better
trinque: "eudev" exists as an alternative to the systemd-
udev. dunno what else the heathens stapled to systemd meanwhile
trinque: asciilifeform: is this the systemdtronic
udev, or whole shebang?
veen: i'm imagining arch like: device ->
udev fuckery -> prog reading /dev/random
trinque: just to entertain the thing, since dev's this fancy
udev thing now, could have some
udev rule to delete /dev/random and plop another device node in its place, via symlink or w/e
phf: ben_vulpes: i was going to link relevant mail message, but
udev has been merged into systemd a while ago. gentoo has a fork, called eudev.
udev also prompted one of the linus' famous rants,
https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/3/484 phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455447 << i don't believe in this futureeither, it's orwell silly. but much more realistic is something like what i described above. you buy "current hardware", you can't boot foolinux, because need bios keys, need to boot redhat. redhat supports your video card, but only in wayland, and the keyboard only works through modern-
udev. both require vendor provided binary blobs. etc.
☝︎ trinque: boots a kernel which should be equivalent to the livecd (genkernel), grub2, eudev instead of
udev, root has password "gentoo", all other decisions (logger, cron, so on) left to be made
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: are you using
udev or eudev?
trinque: mircea_popescu: instructions amount to "don't install it" plus eudev not
udev trinque: sys-fs/
udev in /etc/portage/package.mask
trinque: you will in the default profile end up with systemd's
udev though
trinque: mod6: "use flags" and package.mask for great justice against systemd,
udev, etc
decimation: when asked why they were not going to support a standalone
udev, Lennart wrote: "Anyway, as soon as kdbus is merged this i how we will maintain
udev, you have ample time to figure out some solution that works for you, but we will not support the
udev-on-netlink case anymore. I see three options: a) fork things, b) live with systemd, c) if hate systemd that much, but love
udev so much, then implement an alternative userspace for kdbus
decimation: they got the idea (probably from Lennart) that it would be a good idea to make
udev depend on systemd
decimation: it seems that Kay Sievers (and before him Greg KH) were the de-facto maintainers of
udev assbot: When kdbus will become merged in kernel, using
udev without systemd will become impossible. Lennart shuts down discussion calling any opposition "haters". : linux ... (
http://bit.ly/12e8Sad )
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell pankkake i'm getting the following error running your node.sh script: "The following packages have unmet dependencies:
udev : Breaks: plymouth (< 0.9.0-7) but 0.8.5.1-5 is to be installed E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages." << please to help!
dub: ah yes,
udev was the thing