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asciilifeform: diana_coman: which, observe, bans the infested udev among other associated fungi.
asciilifeform: i.e. the item that used to be 'udev' before the fungus got to it.
snsabot: Logged on 2017-12-19 18:23:09 trinque: "eudev" exists as an alternative to the systemd-udev. dunno what else the heathens stapled to systemd meanwhile
diana_coman: does anyone know what eudev is? (apparently some gentoo fork of udev working with openrc but unclear at this point if it's at all acceptable on a system)
a111: Logged on 2018-04-16 10:05 spyked: then moving from this approach you can systematically eliminate e.g. "pdf library" or e.g. "udev" or e.g. "protected mode" or everything else that is not *needed* for the system, not just userland (if there should be anything such as "a userland" at all in there)
spyked: then moving from this approach you can systematically eliminate e.g. "pdf library" or e.g. "udev" or e.g. "protected mode" or everything else that is not *needed* for the system, not just userland (if there should be anything such as "a userland" at all in there) ☟︎
spyked: every time OS insists on pulling in "udev" or "tls" or whatever other packages (tons of examples in the logs), it's because someone wanted to add more "general-purpose" scaffolding.
trinque: ah the udev rules thing; asciilifeform's solution would be better
trinque: "eudev" exists as an alternative to the systemd-udev. dunno what else the heathens stapled to systemd meanwhile
trinque: asciilifeform: is this the systemdtronic udev, or whole shebang?
a111: 24 results for "udev", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=udev
asciilifeform: !#s udev
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-25#1742982 << this may be related to the insiduous poetterinization of udev ☝︎
asciilifeform: Framedragger: there is a udev trick, iirc, for giving particular users access to a given raw block dev
veen: i'm imagining arch like: device -> udev fuckery -> prog reading /dev/random
trinque: just to entertain the thing, since dev's this fancy udev thing now, could have some udev rule to delete /dev/random and plop another device node in its place, via symlink or w/e
phf: ben_vulpes: i was going to link relevant mail message, but udev has been merged into systemd a while ago. gentoo has a fork, called eudev. udev also prompted one of the linus' famous rants, https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/3/484
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: why did you burn out udev? ☟︎
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455447 << i don't believe in this futureeither, it's orwell silly. but much more realistic is something like what i described above. you buy "current hardware", you can't boot foolinux, because need bios keys, need to boot redhat. redhat supports your video card, but only in wayland, and the keyboard only works through modern-udev. both require vendor provided binary blobs. etc. ☝︎
shinohai: udev
trinque: boots a kernel which should be equivalent to the livecd (genkernel), grub2, eudev instead of udev, root has password "gentoo", all other decisions (logger, cron, so on) left to be made
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: are you using udev or eudev?
trinque: mircea_popescu: instructions amount to "don't install it" plus eudev not udev
trinque: sys-fs/udev in /etc/portage/package.mask
trinque: you will in the default profile end up with systemd's udev though
trinque: mod6: "use flags" and package.mask for great justice against systemd, udev, etc
asciilifeform: boot time, from end of udev pause, is ~3 sec.
asciilifeform: and mask systemd and udev in package.mask.
asciilifeform: use 'eudev' instead of 'udev'. this zaps the shitgnomotron of artificial dependency on systemd in device hotplugger
decimation: when asked why they were not going to support a standalone udev, Lennart wrote: "Anyway, as soon as kdbus is merged this i how we will maintain udev, you have ample time to figure out some solution that works for you, but we will not support the udev-on-netlink case anymore. I see three options: a) fork things, b) live with systemd, c) if hate systemd that much, but love udev so much, then implement an alternative userspace for kdbus
decimation: they got the idea (probably from Lennart) that it would be a good idea to make udev depend on systemd
decimation: it seems that Kay Sievers (and before him Greg KH) were the de-facto maintainers of udev
assbot: When kdbus will become merged in kernel, using udev without systemd will become impossible. Lennart shuts down discussion calling any opposition "haters". : linux ... ( http://bit.ly/12e8Sad )
decimation: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/2a2tz5/when_kdbus_will_become_merged_in_kernel_using/ << reddit thread discussing some details re: systemd and udev
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell pankkake i'm getting the following error running your node.sh script: "The following packages have unmet dependencies: udev : Breaks: plymouth (< 0.9.0-7) but 0.8.5.1-5 is to be installed E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages." << please to help!
asciilifeform wishes he had time to investigate why manual described 'eudev' as 'a fork of system-udev'
dub: ah yes, udev was the thing
asciilifeform: incidentally, that crap gets magicked away when you zap 'udev' (actually, the name - under modern gentoo - now refers to a satanic udev-systemd - and replace with 'eudev'.
asciilifeform: and - if you don't mask the turd, 'sanitary' gentoo (sans systemd) will indeed pull in udev-systemd by default.
asciilifeform: decimation: i think it's in stock udev though