tmsr - Log 2019-08-21

lobbes: meanwhile, I've been looking at some dedicated server options, primarily for a second trb node on a proper ssd, but I will stand up a 'production' copy of asciilifeform's logotron as well

asciilifeform: and wb deedbot !

asciilifeform: lobbes: lemme know if you run into any headache in standing up bot/reader

asciilifeform: imho it's quite straightforward

asciilifeform: lobbes: it aint a very 'hungry' proggy -- e.g. the db presently weighs <70MB

lobbes: will do. yeah, I didn't get the bot portion running on my local test box, nor did I do port forwarding, but the reader.py and database portions were up and running pretty smoothly

asciilifeform: ( i.e. theoretically might even be faster if one were to sit it down in a sqlite rather than postgres. that is, if there were any actual need to make this thing faster, currently seems that there is not any such need )

asciilifeform: phuctor for 1st 2y of its life actually lived in a sqlite, and in fact this was faster than pg when data set weighed <1GB

asciilifeform: it's really notbad when entire orchestra is coupla times smaller than available ram

lobbes: really simple to backup the database too when it is just a single 'file'. cron and scp ftw

asciilifeform: i suspect presently that for nearly all installations, the 'limiting reactant' will be pipe bw, rather than cpu, ram, etc

asciilifeform: lobbes: when you stand up bot, make sure to change prefix knob ( both for when you arrange with mp_en_viaje to voice it in #t, but especially in the other chans, where if you fughet to change knob, it will step on the feet of mine )

lobbes: mp_en_viaje: ooyeah. still need to get her out of my damn house though (I'm in an apartment now)

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: iirc he described it at length even before, languished for years with dependopotamus

mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, if 43 ms in diameter then 135 in circumference ; and moreover information doesn't quite flow at the speed of light in our machines.

lobbes: then I need to sell that damn house. never doing the 'mortgage' thing again. the logs were right (as always)

asciilifeform: lobbes: do you know the old j00 folk tale where http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-06-30#1920764 ?

snsabot: Logged on 2019-06-30 02:02:16 asciilifeform: i suspect it aint the one he has, fwiw, but rather the one in that jewish tale where rabbi tells man 'bring into your house the cow, goat, sheep, then chase'em out sometimes and rejoice in their absence'

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: rright, but not only this, but packet switching is nuffin like straight wire , is monstrously slow vs theoretical

mp_en_viaje: lobbes, well, worked out better for you than for kako, at least so far.

asciilifeform: lobbes: one translation

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: kako had dependopotamus ?!

asciilifeform somehow escaped knowing this

lobbes: same here. seems to get a lot of folks (wasn't the thickastheives guy in a similar boat?)

mp_en_viaje: no, afaik tha tguy was in same boat as pete_d, where the girl's daddy's the victim and the dude's just... you know, like those little male spiders ? dependopotamus accessories.

asciilifeform: lobbes: i got stuck in an airport 1ce with the thieves fella. he lived under the heel of wife, like saharov. entirely broken man.

lobbes: I'm just very thankful I never got married / had kids; the state being involved would have made this even harder to break free from

asciilifeform: compl. w/ 'i want dog but woman won't let' and the like

mp_en_viaje: as per the http://trilema.com/2018/traditional-family-vs-the-harem-a-comparative-study/ dichotomy, one can acquire the useless female either by hunting stupidly or by wife spawning shit.

lobbes: that article, man. It is what set the gears in my head in motion. Read it on a plane flight some years ago and realized I was walking into a trap

asciilifeform: folx who won't train their pets, will end on a leash themselves, noose at 11...

asciilifeform: ( 'pet!' 'owner!' 'feed me' 'hrm wait aint this backwards' )

mp_en_viaje: everyone takes too long to act ~retrispectively~. it's part of the same bonus package of fonts as "treason never prospers"

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: tasty looking foodz btwr

asciilifeform: this is imho underappreciated skill -- not many folx know how to photograph food properly

asciilifeform: also a+++ tripartite beard.

asciilifeform: ( recently, asciilifeform's brother : 'know what, mr p could design an os; you can't' a: 'why's that' b: 'he has the beard' )

asciilifeform: 'they're pretty much the only linguistic group very much in danger of mistaking industrial sounds for speech. Careful if you, for instance, use a can of compressed air to clean an old motherboard -- it's entirely possible the resulting vijiieli, indistinct as they may sound to your ear, nevertheless insult the Polish passerby's long dead relatives in the sauciest of manners.' << asciilifeform falls down.

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: relatedly, the trad ru 'ethno-slur' for poles, 'пшеки', is quite a bit like 'пшик', what nominally spray can says.

asciilifeform can read written pl approx as readily as engl, but to hear'em ~speak~ is other story entirely

asciilifeform: lobbes: i imagine getting rid of dependopotamus must rock, even more than 'expel the cow and the goat' in the chelem tale. suddenly all the surfaces 2x cleaner, the bag o' benjies 'magically' fuller...

asciilifeform: trinque: i haven't attempted an under-znc variant of yet

asciilifeform: trinque: atm the bot on dulap is 'naked' <-> fleanode

asciilifeform: !q uptime

asciilifeform: not yet stuck (or even bumped, other than by my own hand) .

trinque: I had forgotten the email registration part actually, so I guess bot pwd mitm somewhat mitigated by that

asciilifeform: it will still be annoying, but not fatal

asciilifeform: trinque: atm i can't think of any reason why you couldn't sit it under e.g. znc. (my bot doesn't use any fleanodeisms internally)

asciilifeform: trinque: in yours, tho, iirc there ~is~ such a knob (it waits for a fleanode-specific ack string when connects)

asciilifeform: i was unable to sit pehbot under znc, for this reason

asciilifeform: see thrd re subj

snsabot: Logged on 2019-01-02 11:38:20 asciilifeform: if one absolutely insists on that feature, prolly Right Thing would be to patch bot so can hang off a znc ( i tried this with own hands, but failed, the existing item is apparently tailored to fleanode-direct connection )

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-20#1929908 << yes, specifically I'm reminded of your tales you told of one salt mine (ascii_butugychag period?) where you could not *think*; this was how it was for me except when *not in the mines*. It is so nice to think again

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-20 21:17:29 asciilifeform: lobbes: i imagine getting rid of dependopotamus must rock, even more than 'expel the cow and the goat' in the chelem tale. suddenly all the surfaces 2x cleaner, the bag o' benjies 'magically' fuller...

asciilifeform: trinque: as i currently understand, you prolly cannot use exactly same algo in deedbot as in snsabot -- deedbot occasionally has to speak asynchronously. you'll need locking queue (as i think you already have)

asciilifeform: lobbes: in those days could think, more or less, only on the train.

trinque: asciilifeform: will find time this weekend to do the minimal duct tape to keep the thing connected, probably amounts to simply lopping off ssl

asciilifeform: lobbes: but even there, i sat an' read e.g. 'programming of hell', got goin' with ada

asciilifeform: trinque: it is interesting that the ssl thing gets wedged. if i had free hand might even try to find where -- could be a 0day in there, potentially

trinque: asciilifeform: not even just here; I wrote some production services elsewhere in sbcl, used cl+ssl as dep, same wedging

asciilifeform: it's entirely conceivable tho that the wedge is on acct of a http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-20#1000423 !

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-20 15:01:22 asciilifeform: atm i vaguely suspect that tcp on piz is slowed by an inept wiretap somewhere.

asciilifeform: rright. wedge could easily be happening on acct of some idjit perl running on a crab usg clamped to cable in bermuda triangle...

trinque: lobbes: you know, mircea_popescu asked me this when I told a similar tale of misbehaving woman wrecking the home.

trinque: now I'll turn it your direction. ever told her no before the exchange in your post?

lobbes: like asciilifeform said, "if you don't leash pet, it will leash you". and it happened

lobbes: we were together 8 years, mind. Living together for 7 of those 8, which made me ~23 when we got together. I was even dumber then, and the bad habits were engrained long before I got a clue

trinque: just pointing out that when you start telling 'em what, could possibly even have a *happy and productive* home

a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 02:55 mircea_popescu: trinque fancy that, you had to have someone tell you! nature teaches by example, you stick more data into woman each time than you ever did into all machines you ever touched. yet...

snsabot: Logged on 2016-09-16 22:54:18 trinque: BingoBoingo: aha, in fact there was a thread where mircea_popescu explained that y'know, you teach the women things

snsabot: Logged on 2016-09-16 22:55:19 mircea_popescu: trinque fancy that, you had to have someone tell you! nature teaches by example, you stick more data into woman each time than you ever did into all machines you ever touched. yet...

lobbes: this is a point indeed (btw no worries earlier; I was calling myself dumb if anything haha)

lobbes: but it is true that I was also failing *her* by not taking the reigns as I should have. The next girls, however, will be taught properly.

trinque: I think more like "continuous discourse about things which are not stupid" and the rest flows from that

lobbes: this makes sense. But in order for this to happen I know I'll first need to be able to reliably identify things that are/are not stupid. Which, I'm getting better at each day, so there is that. Time is the key I guess

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-20#1929847 << btw I checked this to be sure, and looks like EDIS moved my 'node' some time ago. No longer in Austria as I thought but instead in Switzerland. Plox to s/Austria/Switzerland on all past timing reports.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-20 20:42:10 asciilifeform: interesting that there's an entire 150ms b/w austria & frankfurt

asciilifeform: lobbes: presently seems to me that 'distance' such as exists on net, corresponds moar closely to '# of hops through nsa cisco' rather than naive 'km of fiber'.

asciilifeform: ( often enuff there's a concealed -- if not always well-concealed -- roundtrip to london / washington, sitting in 'between austria and switzerland' etc )

asciilifeform: clitler's magick wand, see, cannot alter phys. constants...

asciilifeform: ( can't even make their shitware snoop in ~realtime, moreover )

asciilifeform: in olden times, when they at least had shame, would tape deck in the very undersea capsule and retrieve with sub. today -- this , instead.

asciilifeform: imho would be interesting to formally map out these 'mystery' delays.

asciilifeform: draw -- map. 'why is vienna <-> zurich , apparently as far as moon' etc

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-20 18:31:09 asciilifeform: diana_coman, mp_en_viaje , spyked , et al : http://18.195.64.227/log << copy of 'rubbish mirror', identical (same 'dollar store' pseudo-isp) but this one in frankfurt. try the same timing w/ it.

asciilifeform: ty spyked

asciilifeform: similarly to 'vianna <-> zurich', this also imho slightly laggier than ordinary globe would suggest

diana_alt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-21#1929962 - yesterday I ran a traceroute on both (nosuchlabs and btcbase) and it was going via stockholm+london for btcbase but not for nosuchlabs (iirc it was riga and then s.america)

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-21 00:00:24 asciilifeform: ( often enuff there's a concealed -- if not always well-concealed -- roundtrip to london / washington, sitting in 'between austria and switzerland' etc )

asciilifeform: hrm mebbe my globe is upside-down, but i can't easily picture how cable can run from riga to south a. direct..

asciilifeform: i suppose theoretically -- could. but wai.

asciilifeform: last i knew there were 0 direct lines from south a. to europistan, at all.

asciilifeform: one heathen source (by no less than 'huawei'!1) claims -- that indeed are.

asciilifeform: tho, quite unsurprisingly, does not claim that any intercontinental makes landfall in riga (cuz wtf)

asciilifeform: 'traceroute' is of pretty limited use for this sorta thing, it will only reveal hops which behave as traditional ip switch

asciilifeform: ( i.e. rather than silently forwarding packets over atm or whatever antediluvian horror )

BingoBoingo: There's also the older "Atlantis 2" which goes Fortaleza Brasil, Senega, the splits to land in Spain and Portugal

asciilifeform: spain, portugal tho. rather than riga.

BingoBoingo: Also a couple newer one that go from Fortaleza to different places in Africa

asciilifeform: maybe i'm thick, but what the fuck do angola and cameroon need net connections for ?!

asciilifeform: why not also run fiber to the penguins in south p. i suspect they can just as easily pay.

asciilifeform: they can watch miami-vision via sat dish like erry other sad orc.

asciilifeform: betcha there's some convoluted reason asciilifeform would never in 9000 yrs guess at, for fiber-to-africa

asciilifeform: maybe some living fossil, french colonial fort.

asciilifeform: or usg drone base, etc.

BingoBoingo: And as far as I can tell, USG to USG drones is the only actual satellite internet

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they like to fiber most of the way to destination (for obv. reason)

asciilifeform: meanwhile... 'random log button' yields a historic lulzthread .

snsabot: Logged on 2016-12-28 16:44:23 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1592214 << entirely possible folx weren't aware of phuctor, it's not exactly advertised much. (then again, cue mp's "they don't have a right/privilege not to be aware"..)

asciilifeform: ... and moar lul

snsabot: Logged on 2016-12-30 13:34:00 phf: true, but alf also "won't touch the web"

BingoBoingo: In local weather, Mujica's wife will be acting president tomorrow for some hours while doctors poke current president's lungs with scopes and radiation

asciilifeform: oh hey

asciilifeform: holyFUCK the sheer fecal mass.

BingoBoingo: re: fonix http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-20#1929903 I finally discovered that down here "sour cream" is "Queso Crema: Talercrem"

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-20 21:07:20 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: relatedly, the trad ru 'ethno-slur' for poles, 'пшеки', is quite a bit like 'пшик', what nominally spray can says.