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mod6: BingoBoingo: thank's for the OpenBSD reminder about arc4random, a note about your blog though... you do say 7.x or 8 or w/e.. in v0.5.3/v0.5.3.1 the function that contains that part to change from rand() to arc4random() is called: CWallet::SelectCoinsMinConf
lobbes: I'll be ordering my 'training laptop' soon. My question is: Gentoo or OpenBSD?
mod6: There's a lot of stuff on our "to-do" list, but it'd be nice to knock out some OpenBSD support before we get into doing other heavy lifting.
mod6: but all of that is easy, i just need to dig in to figure out how to get the proper configure args for openbsd -- iirc last time I tried, I tried to build a statically linked binary and then openssl compile failed. and I just got busy with the release so I havent gotten back to it yet.
freeborn: once ready, I am interested in working on a openbsd live image that uses the reference bitcoind
mod6: <+thestringpuller> freeborn: I'm pretty sure mod6 has gotten it working on OpenBSD. << Hi freeborn, yup, OpenBSD is on def. at the top of our list of platforms to support. I made good progress on this in February, but got a little side-tracked in March with the release. Stay tuned to the mailing list (btc-dev), any advancements in this realm will be updated there.
thestringpuller: freeborn: I'm pretty sure mod6 has gotten it working on OpenBSD.
asciilifeform: freeborn: try the mac os build instructions posted recently, these may work on openbsd
freeborn: hi all, been following the bitcoin foundations work for a little while.. looks really cool! I have been giving it a shot trying to install on my openbsd machine, I noticed in the release notes that BingoBoingo has provided soem insights for building on obsd, does anyone know if this is possible yet?
danielpbarron: pfsense is a freebsd user-friendlier interface for OpenBSD's PF
assbot: Building Bitcoin 0.7.2 on OpenBSD | Bingo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1y33fp8 )
danielpbarron: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/05/02/building-bitcoin-0-7-2-on-openbsd/
danielpbarron: http://www.openbsd.org/images/poster31.jpg << theme for 5.5 was "back to the future" -- something about how 32 bit is a problem for unix time
assbot: OpenBSD/armish ... ( http://bit.ly/1HARjU5 )
danielpbarron: http://www.openbsd.org/armish.html << this is it?
ascii_field: but iirc the device support of openbsd is a subset of netbsd's
danielpbarron: i got your netbsd kernel to boot on the pogo; this is possible with openbsd as well?
danielpbarron: how hard would it be to get OpenBSD on a pogo? I've been idling in their channel but I'm not sure how productive it would be to just go "hey someone should start supporting this architecture for my pet project!"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: nubbins`: any changes -not- in common with openbsd << For versions earlier than 5.7 and -current some wallet.cpp code needs changed to use better random
trinque: funkenstein_: openbsd doesn't come from an app store
danielpbarron: heck i recently paid 120 USD for OpenBSD cd sets
asciilifeform: nubbins`: any changes -not- in common with openbsd ?
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Her big issue is supporting the cam tools. Ubuntu is probably going to be fine for the camera in general, Iffier for skype. Probably not possible for her to use all of the tools she could need for work on OpenBSD/Gentoo without going through hell and rewriting some of them.
danielpbarron: openbsd has an autoinstaller but might not do everything you'd like
danielpbarron: gentoo or openbsd
danielpbarron: i guess before you do that, prepare a flash drive with an installer for openbsd or gentoo or something
danielpbarron: in the style of an OpenBSD man page, I give you http://danielpbarron.com/deedbot.txt
danielpbarron: i plan on using nothing but OpenBSD whereever possible :p
danielpbarron: ftr I do not intend to acutally use apple software; i've been putting OpenBSD on old iMacs
danielpbarron: and if you liked that paragraph i quoted there, it's from "Absolute OpenBSD" by Michael W. Lucas
assbot: Absolute OpenBSD, 2nd Edition: UNIX for the Practical Paranoid - Michael W. Lucas - Google Boeken ... ( http://bit.ly/1BFRIwk )
danielpbarron: OpenBSD still supports this for the purpose of finding bugs that would otherwise go unnoticed on modern speedy systems
assbot: OpenBSD/vax ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ca1PhR )
danielpbarron: http://www.openbsd.org/vax.html
assbot: OpenBSD: most secure OS in the planet, the movie! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9WjLO )
danielpbarron: Security people are often the black-and-white kind of people that I can't stand. I think the OpenBSD crowd is a bunch of masturbating monkeys, in that they make such a big deal about concentrating on security to the point where they pretty much admit that nothing else matters to them.
assbot: invented by openbsd ... ( http://bit.ly/1981kJA )
BingoBoingo: midnightmagic: Example of a NetBSD problem set. http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/invented-by-openbsd
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: Well for openbsd builds fired live the big change isn't db at all, but in wallet.cpp changing the random call to a better one (should not be necessary in -current or 5.7)
BingoBoingo: Some people had built 0.9.x -sh on openbsd according to stories but no recipies were supplied
Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo: ah, hm. I wonder how easily just adding some OpenBSD checks similar to the FreeBSD ones would go
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: OpenBSD. I had the choice of debugging a bunch of wank or reverting to 0.7.2 and hand patching.
asciilifeform: though a 'sun ray' might make an interesting openbsd box
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2015 14:29:09; funkenstein_: is openbsd the only reason to have an optical drive?
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2015 14:20:01; danielpbarron: today i learned that OpenBSD will boot into the installer if it finds the install CD in the drive while booting
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: what platform did you use? OpenBSD?
danielpbarron: http://danielpbarron.com/xfce.txt << for anyone who wants a nice simple desktop environment on their OpenBSD machine
funkenstein_: is openbsd the only reason to have an optical drive? ☟︎
chetty: <danielpbarron> today i learned that OpenBSD will boot into the installer if it finds the install CD in the drive while booting//was that on purpose or an oops?
danielpbarron: today i learned that OpenBSD will boot into the installer if it finds the install CD in the drive while booting ☟︎
assbot: /hashtag/OpenBSD?src=hash 5.6 on an Apple iMac G4. http://t.co/vx5qS4N7WV
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> and i assume that crystalspace won't build on openbsd? << Don't see how it could be much worse than bitcoin-qt, which is why I am severely undrqualified for this
BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> and openbsd the only bsd << If you tuck it safely behind a wall, FreeBSD kicks ass on storage.
mircea_popescu: im open for someone to maintain an openbsd binary.
ben_vulpes: and i assume that crystalspace won't build on openbsd?
danielpbarron: and openbsd the only bsd
assbot: /hashtag/OpenBSD?src=hash 5.6 on an Apple iMac G4. http://t.co/vx5qS4N7WV
danielpbarron: openbsd is such a pleasure to work with
BingoBoingo: http://www.openbsd.org/papers/httpd-slides-asiabsdcon2015.pdf
BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> he almost donated 100k USD to OpenBSD and gave it to freebsd instead << That part seems to have been totally just a troll hob
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2015 19:45:29; danielpbarron: he almost donated 100k USD to OpenBSD and gave it to freebsd instead
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2015 19:38:54; assbot: you can't trust segregated institutions. /hashtag/racism?src=hash /hashtag/sexism?src=hash /hashtag/feminism?src=hash /hashtag/homophobia?src=hash /hashtag/blacklivesmatter?src=hash /hashtag/openbsd?src=hash
danielpbarron: other than that they appear to work fine. xfce on openbsd is a nice fit with the apple style
assbot: trollaxor.com: OPENBSD FACT CHECK: USE OR NOT USE TEST ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ax3tFY )
trinque: http://www.trollaxor.com/2015/02/openbsd-fact-check-use-or-not-use-test.html << what the fuck are these slides
danielpbarron: he almost donated 100k USD to OpenBSD and gave it to freebsd instead ☟︎
danielpbarron: the guy apparently liked OpenBSD until he learned about Theo
trinque: danielpbarron: openbsd lol?
assbot: you can't trust segregated institutions. /hashtag/racism?src=hash /hashtag/sexism?src=hash /hashtag/feminism?src=hash /hashtag/homophobia?src=hash /hashtag/blacklivesmatter?src=hash /hashtag/openbsd?src=hash ☟︎
BingoBoingo: When it comes to adopting pieces of various BSD's though enumeration gets really messy. OSuX brings in a lot of FreeBSD stuff. Google Android uses OpenBSD's libc with a special compile flag google requested.
funkenstein_: boingo, pre openbsd then?
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell danielpbarron Remember if you read that archive that Until Theo forked OpenBSD into being that public CVS read access wasn't a thing anywhere yet. 1994 was a helluva year
assbot: trollaxor.com: OPENBSD FACT CHECK: USE OR NOT USE TEST ... ( http://bit.ly/18NDJxx )
mircea_popescu: http://www.trollaxor.com/2015/02/openbsd-fact-check-use-or-not-use-test.html lilz
assbot: trollaxor.com: Linux vs. OpenBSD ... ( http://bit.ly/1ChZ5iN )
BingoBoingo: http://www.trollaxor.com/2002/08/linux-vs-openbsd.html << 13 years old nao
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Well, if you manage to install OpenBSD it's basically closer to a normal OpenBSD environment than the pogo is.
danielpbarron: right now i'm gonna try to install openbsd 5.6 on an imac g4 via network
danielpbarron: oh idk, i copy pasted that from an OpenBSD README file
danielpbarron: yeah and it's also against the law for me to take my OpenBSD cd set out of the country; the crypto is too strong or something
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 17:39:08; danielpbarron: (NOTE: OpenBSD can not be re-exported from the US once it has entered the US. Because of this, take care NOT to get the distribution from an FTP server in the US if you are outside of Canada and the US.)
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 14:35:56; BingoBoingo: various gnomings http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/invented-by-openbsd
asciilifeform: two leads: 1) port whatever's in netbsd to openbsd to get it going on pogo
kakobrekla: <danielpbarron> (NOTE: OpenBSD can not be re-exported from the US once it has entered the US. < im sure you are familiar with 'pgpi scanning project'
danielpbarron: everything i learn about openbsd makes me like it more than before
danielpbarron: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi/OpenBSD-current/man1/signify.1 << apparently openbsd has its own tool for creating and verifying signatures
danielpbarron: (NOTE: OpenBSD can not be re-exported from the US once it has entered the US. Because of this, take care NOT to get the distribution from an FTP server in the US if you are outside of Canada and the US.) ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 01:43:22; asciilifeform: danielpbarron: iirc, openbsd will not see the nand flash on the 'pogo.'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: When they people forked out OpenBSD, seems they kept the wrong people
assbot: invented by openbsd ... ( http://bit.ly/1FYj7Ou )
BingoBoingo: various gnomings http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/invented-by-openbsd ☟︎
danielpbarron: why can't i see these extra characters; vi on openbsd would show them
BingoBoingo: Amazingly sbcl, no problem on OpenBSD. Any Ada at all, huge fucking pain.
BingoBoingo confesses running to OpenBSD instead of Gentoo not because of knowledge, but from a lack of knowledge. Still determine personal minimal set of installed software. No confident enough to make best choices on a whole workstation (as opposed to appliance) stack.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Dragonfly ports are mostly loose FreeBSD ports with little guarentee of working. There are older Ada and the visual Ada IDE ports for OpenBSD, but... it seems fuckers would on the whole rather test "go"
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> decimation: but in this case the package manager is not at fault. someone deliberately sabotaged a library. << So on OpenBSD I'm nt finding an Ada port or package that works with sufficient frequency to make it too the tree. Looking like the turdswitch may have been flipped in GCC
thestringpuller: but that relates to the OpenBSD patch
gabriel_laddel: Also, MP gave 20K to openBSD - there are people willing to fund such ventures.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> nubbins`: mircea_popescu takes a 'sapper errs once' attitude to bitcoin compatibility, for reasons which should need no explanation << Kinda why my -qt OpenBSD experiment is vaguely described in blog post. If I hit a grendade do not want others suffering same one
BingoBoingo: Why OpenBSD dev's hate FreeBSD devs https://twitter.com/MiodVallat/status/569753224179261440