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asciilifeform: no miner, afaik, used prb.
mircea_popescu: i dunno that the question was ever settled, or seriously considered. but it'd be expected prb begins with the famous "you are like power rtangers" nonsense, during the original hearn-induced fork.
asciilifeform: when does prb begin ?
asciilifeform: is 0.5.3 prb ?
asciilifeform: (am i terminologically addled, or do i misunderstand what is prb)
mircea_popescu: if you're particularly inclined to act as a propaganda agent for prb, you may make that wholly unsubstantiated, ridiculous claim.
asciilifeform: as far as i can tell, they are running very lightly-modified old prb.
mircea_popescu: perhaps. but this really wasn't the thesis. you do know that ~nobody is running prb, and this has been in ample evidence historically throughout.
asciilifeform: for all i know they were running prb with ~one line~ patched.
asciilifeform: they were not running ~latest prb~ aha
mircea_popescu: no, actually you know for a fact 95% of miners were not running prb back last year, because of the fork thing.
asciilifeform: and in the sense that it largely consists of prb users.
asciilifeform: this is not a prb-specific thing.
asciilifeform: (or, conversely, its absence, a ticket to prb damnation)
asciilifeform: i don't see prb or the xml circus as 'good people, good intentions, bad tool'
mircea_popescu: it didn't work for prb, it didn't work for anything, including scbl and xml/html.
mircea_popescu: rather than "let's try prb with better people, it'll work this time"
mircea_popescu: this whole "we are developers herp" thing is prb not trb.
asciilifeform: mod6: it was a fascinating case of 'prb-ization'
adlai: yes, prb dep
asciilifeform: the prb folks never fail to disgorge this line
asciilifeform: (for anyone who forgot, prb still has hardcoded dns seed etc)
asciilifeform: but that'd be burning prb, which is a no-no.
asciilifeform: empty the prb folks
pete_dushenski: bitcoin's too complicated, too barbed, too thorny, too messy, and too time-consuming for sortakindausers. this is obviously an asset in a great many ways, but it can still be frustrating for persistent folks. not that this is news to everyone beating prb into trb....
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: actually i would be only slightly surprised if prb could be persuaded to jmp into a block.
assbot: Logged on 01-02-2016 05:16:50; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391899 << i looked in the prb crud when we had this thread, found no such thing, recall
assbot: Logged on 01-02-2016 05:16:50; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391899 << i looked in the prb crud when we had this thread, found no such thing, recall
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391899 << i looked in the prb crud when we had this thread, found no such thing, recall ☝︎☟︎☟︎
ascii_butugychag: when just about any alternative to prb looked spiffy
ben_vulpes: it looked better than prb back in the day
mircea_popescu: (or even WHETHER it actually works. hence all the - equally unexamined and inept - prb derpage about "blessed" chains)
BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: I guess I got to now. Shiva represents first serious mega-weaponized divergence of trb from prb
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The truly lulzy part is the blame is going to Windows antiviruses for deleting arbitrary files from PRB bitcoin databases.
jurov: http://www.ethereumpyramid.com/ forget systemd. prb must support this!
mircea_popescu: <punkman> does PRB need dbus btw? << it should, really.
punkman: does PRB need dbus btw?
asciilifeform: as for prb, it doesn't like talking to trb (esp. with the malleus patch)
punkman: and if prb had sane logging we wouldn't be having this discussion
asciilifeform: this is how we got prb.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i found the prb ecdsa thing quite distasteful
asciilifeform: if trb is sleeping in a dumpster and picking old razors out of the rotting mcd 'meal' trays to eat, prb is drowning in a usg paper dump
asciilifeform: the current prb is a different kind of hell altogether
mircea_popescu: no idea why anyone thinks "bitcoin will take over the world". they can't possibly be talking of the prb codebase.
ascii_butugychag: nah that's the current prb
punkman: not sure when they implemented that in PRB
mircea_popescu: you seem to be operating on the delusional notion miners user prb ?!
asciilifeform: and i am looking at prb right now, it generates low-S only, and ditto for relay, but i see nothing that would force it to reject a block CONTAINING a high-S tx
asciilifeform: aha. so that would be if prb behaved as i believed it did, where it will still eat a block generated by 2009 rules
asciilifeform: if prb considers blocks after certain height containing high-S to be invalid, in what sense was the fork soft ?
asciilifeform digs for the prb src
asciilifeform: iirc nobody patched prb so that ~block~ containing high-S is invalid
BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> yea prb won't relay high-S due to bip-62 << Wasn't even a BIP, was a point update trivia
asciilifeform: the unfortunate thing is that merely ignoring prb has not worked. now there is ecological cleanup work to be done.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i was just saying if miners receive tx's to mine via PRB code then it'll isolate
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller "running prb" is not being a miner.
thestringpuller: if miner nodes are running prb, they'll isolate too
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it shouldn't be the case that you're connected exclusively to prb nodes.
thestringpuller: Basically all "new" PRB-nodes will refuse to relay high-S tx's to the network. Miners will still mine them though. But interesting that a high-s transaction has high probability to get fellated and malleated by network before being mined.
thestringpuller: yea prb won't relay high-S due to bip-62
assbot: 6 results for 'prb' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=prb
thestringpuller: !s prb
thestringpuller: prb?
asciilifeform: soooooo turns out prb doesn't like relaying high-S sigs.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i'm not tracking prb.
pete_dushenski: and prb = pseudorealbitcoin/pretendrealbitcoin/powerrangerbitcoin ?
mircea_popescu: just pointing out that you know, "here's prb showing 35% (of 40% of the actual network)". which happens to be exactly the mtgox approach to lyf.
mircea_popescu: herpitty derp, gotta get prb appear over irrelevancy no matter what.
mircea_popescu: gives a shit about the PRB.
mircea_popescu: Thinking in those terms, "Hey, TRB actually running on BSD as opposded to PRB sounds to me like it'd be huge, it must be made a point of public communication, I need datas to support me in discussing this with people, plox to help me here!" is a helluva lot more productive than "this is X's dominion". At the worst this will clarify that "nah, not really", at the best it'll help a lot of idiots understand why it nobody
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