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pete_dushenski: i think i've narrowed down the issue with grand tour to the singular : jeremy clarkson, james may, and richard hammond are too fucking old to be interesting or relevant.

ben_vulpes: and in other NICs: "A software-defined full duplex 10baseT Network Interface Controller is implemented as a team of nodes controlling transmit and receive signal pins directly. The signals are conditioned by minimal electrical interface circuitry. External transmit timing is used. The team is designed to function as a memory-mapped device but may be stripped down for direct use by other node teams."

gabriel_laddel_p: if you don't want to hear what I've got to say, just negrate me, !!down and be done with it.

a111: Logged on 2017-01-09 09:23 Framedragger: (just complained to taleb about him using medium. this whole "scrape article right after it's published because the unicorn it's riding on may go really go down soon" is a bit stupid. on the small off chance that he replies with a request for a suggestion to be considered, i wonder if there's anything to actually be suggested. need to search for a bit (i'm certain he wouldn't fuck around with mp-wp unfortunately)..)

Framedragger: (just complained to taleb about him using medium. this whole "scrape article right after it's published because the unicorn it's riding on may go really go down soon" is a bit stupid. on the small off chance that he replies with a request for a suggestion to be considered, i wonder if there's anything to actually be suggested. need to search for a bit (i'm certain he wouldn't fuck around with mp-wp unfortunately)..) ☟︎

mircea_popescu: heh so apparently they're gonna shut down the server i'm connected through. GOOD BY CRUEL WORLD!

asciilifeform: (the ~standard~ 8ball, with the primorial from 2...infinity, grew large enough that it slows down werker run to about 5 hours ! )

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude the whole discussion was what happens if archive ~goes away~. NOT what happes if archive is down.

asciilifeform: this aside, the most recent thread began with archive.is being ~down~

asciilifeform: !~later tell gabriel_laddel_p didja ever write down publicly what it was precisely that you did to clim ~other~ than to carve your initials into its flesh ?

ben_vulpes: battery tie down rod simply failed under torsional load: "that...didn't feel like the rust giving way. jesus /fuck/."

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598911 << apparently while i slept in my cave, jp went down the same toilet as everybody else: honda had a ~firmware bug~ recall recently , power steering controller crashed while in motion, users instructed to reboot motherfucking auto! on roadside ☝︎

Framedragger: ben_vulpes: i think asciilifeform hates the idea of trusting fleanode to maintain nick-to-identity mappings. the !!up/down model was *supposed* to eliminate gribble-like state anyway, right?

gabriel_laddel_p: ben_vulpes: incidentally, if I'm wasting my time here with Framedragger and adali, can you also negrate them so they can be put !!down?

ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel_p: you realize that every day you continue faffing about like this the odds anyone here will pay one red cent for masamune goes down?

deedbot: gabriel_laddel_p may not !!down adlai.

gabriel_laddel_p: !!down adlai

deedbot: gabriel_laddel_p may not !!down Framedragger.

gabriel_laddel_p: !!down Framedragger

mircea_popescu: it might be a good idea to write all these down ; there's a decent chance people here may read, and a not negligible chance at least one knows why it fails.

ben_vulpes: i'm down for scarification, but only the high-entropy kind that comes of abrading self against road

mircea_popescu: wait, was trilema down !?

ben_vulpes: aaand trilema down! a+, yahoo.

asciilifeform: run by wotless rando, could go down permanently tomorrow, or next week, or silently alter payloads, or, or.

mircea_popescu: and supposedly i should feel bad for them, right ? because look how the barbarians came and burned down all these nice guy's hard work. hurr.

trinque: then once had we can bog it down by also doing crunching in another thread and dumping output of teh hash to the scroll pane

mircea_popescu: gotta solve this dispute somehow. the correct somehow is to start bolting down parts. first we check this, then we can see if it's a matter of cl implementation is fine, ui is bad.

trinque: mircea_popescu: the hash wouldn't slow anybody down because I'd be hashing in one thread, updating UI with results in another as they pop out

asciilifeform: 'urbit is down tonight' 'curtis We were trying to subscribe urbit-meta to fora notifications, something very reasonable that we should have done a long time ago, and ended up producing a "presence storm." We'll fix it a little more carefully and methodically tomorrow -- or try, at least. :-) In the meantime, I've turned off all our major stars.'

ben_vulpes: notion, iirc, was to make a "release" vpatch that added *something* to *every file in the tree* to neck the patch graph down

ben_vulpes: mod6: on previous thread, i have a vague memory of stuffing a RELEASE stanza in every file of a release to neck the tree down

asciilifeform: not enough of a spike to propagate down the wire to where i have the plotter

adlai: !!down adlai

asciilifeform: they knock down door of d00d known to 'will shoot intruders' and of course machine gun barrage after he stumbles out of bed with old 12ga etc

asciilifeform: i do see the merit of nailing it down. but imho unix diff is retarded.

adlai: the homework ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-19#1556804 ) boils down to "understand wtf weil was on about" ☝︎

mircea_popescu: holy shit at some point will have to sit down and read something!

asciilifeform: has down-side of potential ddosability

asciilifeform: while i like the 'diode' aspect of this scheme, i will say that my public nodes would fall down in about three seconds, and permanently, if the primitive autobanhammer of gaviniferously-symptomatic peers were to be switched off.

ben_vulpes: (fwiw i'm down to the last ghostly suggestion, which was to read in the hash as a bignum)

lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595456 << "First, and obviously, since the majority of the students are going to get an A, he just has to do just as well/horrifically as the average student, and if they're all writing about slavery with the enthusiasm of a photocopier then if he wants an A he better buckle down and learn the truly useful skill of masking the words of a Wikipedia page. " ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-01-03 17:27 asciilifeform: i actually sat down to write a long and painfully pedantic piece about what i did, but gave up, let the diff speak for itself

BingoBoingo: You use adapters to take it down to size that eats bit

asciilifeform: i actually sat down to write a long and painfully pedantic piece about what i did, but gave up, let the diff speak for itself ☟︎

mircea_popescu: and since i'm on a moldy tome kick, let's note down ܝܳܠܕܰܬ ܐܰܠܳܗܳܐ ie joldath allaho. in syriac. because yes, even as egypt was mostly christian in its recent history (just as all of the "arabic" middle east), allah exists in arabic as a corruption of a syriac notation of a greek interpretation of a hebrew name for god.

pete_dushenski: also 'laocoon' (62.113.203.216) is down for maintenance until further notice. upgrading hardware.

mircea_popescu: apollo the symbol strives to mark down the discovery of apollo the god, much like ٤ stives to mark down the number 4. you wouldn't know it to look at the poor thing, but it is what the ~actual~ arabic numeral for a set of four items looks like.

mircea_popescu: "but they're both written down with letters". so what if they are. if i shoot an hour of a woman fucking half a dozen men, thereby i've constructed a woman ?

mircea_popescu: someone, or for the sake of rigor, "someone", a tom knight equivalent, sat down and read all of gcc, slowly, loaded it in head. i do not mean, "one version". i mean ALL of gcc, like i know words in the sense of who is their mother and their father and the fine degree derivatives in all trees in ten languages. all of gcc.

ben_vulpes: eg mortars, that anti-ship device that pops up and comes right back down

ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what i mean to say is that it's about the only thing one could deploy around that many folks, is something that goes blooie in the air rather than a zillion rather-fast bullets most of which will come back down at lethal speeds

davout: anyway, i guess my position basically boils down to: "as far as trb proper is concerned, best wallet is no wallet. but sane indexing mechanisms"

ben_vulpes: wallet boils down to 'index of txen paying to addresses i care about' anyways

davout: but then we're going down the bitcoinfs rabbit hole

asciilifeform: it's malignantly retarded, and i'ma burn it down.

jurov: this is what it boild down into

asciilifeform: yeah when i put on my shit diving suit and went down into the docs, i found none.

asciilifeform: jurov: there is always 'possibility of data loss', machine could be stolen (as it once was!) or burn down

Framedragger: "lose weeks of work" is insane :( i'm sorry to hear that. *this* would not expose you to that scenario. but one would have to pin down still-possible data loss scenarios, if any.

trinque: wot.deedbot.org will likely result in two genesis patches down the line. one for the tool, other for the particular site

mircea_popescu: this'd make some fine subject of a priority work order, the only problem is that it's so intricate and we aren't fans of doing the work n times. but once trb sits down on a sql-fs it would all fall in place.

asciilifeform: spray of crapolade from $somebody, designed to bog down your node and have it lose all peers

phf: mod6: there's no such thing as "root". there's only genesis. you find all patches that satisfy the genesis requirement ("all antecedents are false") and you build your graph down from there

mircea_popescu: "JUST THE <fill in> SHE <fill in> THAT ONE TIME WHEN EVERYONE <fill in>" is 100% of the moral/ethical mental process of every usian under 30. that's the whole thing. just the thought they have one time when everyone's looking down at them. thassit.

asciilifeform: falls down randomly from the sky, but what else you gonna fly on

pete_dushenski: let this therefore be remembered as the time alf pissed away 0.3btc (30mn ecu) on his eulorabox build. but hey, nothing like a little deficit to urge on the bot-crafting imagination! watch alf knock down all four hackathon prizes now.

Framedragger: heh, speaking of 'provably fair' and location in question (tallinn), they've been doing e-voting (for all major elections etc) for a few years now. iirc code audits showed weak spots, multiple sek0rity expert teams, advisory bodies etc recommended to shut it down because it was unsafe, but proud estonia knows better.. :p

asciilifeform: the political history is also rather interesting (it was on track to winning the 'aes competition', received fewest thumbs-down votes from the panelists, but mysteriously torpedoed by usg and did not win) ☟︎

mats: i mean luxury residences pushing prices down

phf: it's an "overkill" for a "unix script", because you throw all that data out anyway soon after constructing it. but in a lisp instance, when you already have all that data in the ~correct form~ you can start writing a dozen of different functions to analyze it, without getting bogged down on format trivia all over the place

phf: the main folly are the unixisms all over the place. lisp works with a clear read/eval/print cycle. read means that you want to take outside input and convert it into a concrete data structure. so you shouldn't have a hash with strings in it. things like (string= "false" (gethash 'hash c)) should not happen so far down the call chain. your ~reader~ should convert the input data into a format that's easy to work with. the check could've

mircea_popescu: actually the crypto lib should be in js anyway. down with fucking ints.

ben_vulpes: it is used to further drive down the cost of human cogs crapping out lines of code

mircea_popescu: which i suppose is the main strategic direction of tmsr - in a few years they either pay us to "secure" all systems or else the systems burn down. ☟︎

phf: asciilifeform: i literally don't spend ~any time~ learning web on my own. i simply have this unprecedented apparently ability to sit the fuck down and read the documentation/source code for longer then it takes to google twitch. spend 3 hours of reading docs??? forget about it, i might as well be a wizard of some sort.

ben_vulpes: i am pretty sure this automated phone system just told me that there were 128 people "ahead of me in line", took down my number and then called me back immediately to put me on hold

phf: well, it's very close in spirit and substance to that warehouse that burned down

mircea_popescu: i suppose he has a point - and if you're trying to make one of those clock walls, you'll just you know, paste down the code three or five or n times with various offsets on the TimeSpan timespan = DateTime.Now.TimeOfDay; plus should one of the clocks have to go backwards you'll paste the code once more but put a minus somewhere (which maintenance will take off because automated bounds checking indicated they should - and befo

mircea_popescu: in other lulz, "To all BNet visitors, due to unprecedented scamming on the BNet Forum, we have been forced to shut the facility down. We are looking at alternative systems that will allow us to restart the Forum under a much better security protocol. We hope to be able to restart the Forum sometime in the New Year. Thank you for visiting the Forum and hope to see you again there in the New Year. To all who had signed up, we

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo how the fuck all these mytologizing gimps fail to point out that loch ness' job was to bring down al capone, AT WHICH JOB HE FAILED ? he's like the che guevara of the gynecaeum i swear.

shinohai writes down hanbot 's Eulora password

asciilifeform: (proved that there necessarily exists a hash boojum , for any given scheme that includes any hash of whatever kind, that makes the algo fall down.)

asciilifeform: in exactly the way i expected it would fall down on serious examination

asciilifeform: they are, to borrow from dijkstra, 'cost, not revenue, no matter how many people insist on writing them down on the wrong side of the ledger'

mircea_popescu: basically, the ~one hope of the imperial technologistic church of some sort of practical results is a peculiar form of ai. they're doubling down on it exactly in the manner usg doubled down on "alternative fuels".

mircea_popescu: yes. in principle you can also dial it down.

asciilifeform: just about every literate young d00d in usa has at one point or another turned down (or accepted, and lived to regret) 200+k usd in sv

a111: Logged on 2016-12-23 19:26 mircea_popescu: there's multiple approaches available. a) each patch nails down the whole list of direct antecedents, so it'd be 3 in this case ; b) each patch signer picks an arbitrary antecedent to reference of the list (of here - 3), others are free to "fork" it by picking a different one or w/e.

mircea_popescu: there's multiple approaches available. a) each patch nails down the whole list of direct antecedents, so it'd be 3 in this case ; b) each patch signer picks an arbitrary antecedent to reference of the list (of here - 3), others are free to "fork" it by picking a different one or w/e. ☟︎

asciilifeform: if each patch nails down an explicit 'and on top of THIS' press sequence, it drags the entire universe behind it, all of a sudden there is no such thing as 'sibling', i.e. a thing that goes from same ancestor to a different but nonconflicting place.

mircea_popescu: so yes, monkey makes ballista, shoots man. then monkey settles down, forgets about balista for a minute, spends TWO CENTURIES trying to figure out what man had already said. a rather hollow sort of victory, at least to my eyes.

asciilifeform: say i sit down to write a patch.

mircea_popescu: nono, just previous patch hash. whenever you sit down to write a patch, you sit down to write it atop a press, or at any rate the situation resulting from a press. that has a "last item pressed" by necessity, and THAT will be your header.

mod6: so 'b72b573' ... and drop this into a down-flow vpatch that touches net.cpp, that should cause the cycle right? like so:

mod6: and furthermore, i guess it doesn't make any sense to continue on at all if something is missing in the flow, because even if you could side-step where the breakage is, the vpatch down stream would actually fail to press anyway because its input hash wouldn't match the expected.

asciilifeform: mod6: if flow breaks, everything that hung below the breaking point, falls down

phf: i'm about to upgrade btcbase, which in this case is an invasive procedure so bot's going to be down for a bit (15 minutes or so if everything goes well), after that there might be some bugs so feel free to yell at me

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes this incidentally is a very cogent point you bring, "Multiple implementations of an ambiguous specification provide far more value than the "many eyes" mantra of open source advocates. An implementation in Python might burn the eyes of a Perl hacker, and the Perl be entirely inscrutable to a man who's never touched it before, and even were such a man to sit down and learn Python for the purpose of auditing another'

phf: it must've been down for a while, because wikipedia uses archive.is to link to his homepage

phf: asciilifeform: yeah, seems down