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asciilifeform: anyone ever build a working trb on openbsd ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: i'm beginning to understand why the enemy is not particularly scared of trb.
PeterL: in other news, my trb node (syncing since January) is now up to July 2014
assbot: 516 results for 'trb' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=trb
mircea_popescu: !s trb
ben_vulpes: phf, asciilifeform: where is an appropriate place for custom trb scheme, and what mechanism should load it? just appending to the bottom of init.scm feels wrong.
phf: ben_vulpes: so the way thing works right now, is that when you connect a new instance of scheme runtime is created, which is then fed init.scm and connected to the network stream fd. right now the pattern that we have is from inside a running instance you can call out into trb and make it do things
BingoBoingo: Maybe point him at TRB documentation after he's done fixing Eulora?
asciilifeform: 1) press a trb
mircea_popescu: no. the goal of trb is to be ran AMONG PEOPLE.
kakobrekla: idk whats the goal of trb to be ran among a dozen friends and thats it?
asciilifeform: mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al : possibly a neglected subject in the wiki, trb site, etc. is where the hell a n00b is supposed to get pubkeys.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ftr, about 1/2 of a stripped trb binary is openssl crud that is never called.
mircea_popescu: for all you know, i peer with a "network at large" node, making it thus trb-node-one-removed.
mircea_popescu: phf the separation between "trb nodes" and "the rest of the network" comes of the same sort of usg-enabling fiction where somehow obama owns the land and i live on it by his permision.
phf: l1 or l2 runs trb, where behavior can be improved. better sync mechanisms, bandwidth/cpu conservative network activity, etc. anyone in the wot can also be punished for abuse, i.e. if asciilifeform starts sending me gigs of bogus transactions, and it's not a test and he can't be reasoned with, etc.
asciilifeform: all i can say is that i have nfi. but i have no evidence that anyone other than mircea_popescu and trb folks did any serious re-engineering re: the client.
asciilifeform: so far the only 'alt-trb' for which i have any evidence whatsoever of its existence is mircea_popescu's thing
asciilifeform: trinque: however you try to dance around the problem, must come to terms with the fact that ~some~ trb nodes must talk to the heathens ~some~ of the time, or NO BLOCKS
jurov: i doubt it is possible to run service like archive.is on trb debt, i tried to imagine it.. needs both bandwidth and ongoing maintenance (cuz gotta keep up with webdev shit)
asciilifeform: 'A fully virtualized “Hello World” service in IncludeOS (which of course includes the necessary components of the OS) uses only 8.45MB of memory. A Ubuntu 14.04 OS image (the default guest OS for OpenStack) is around 300MB by comparison.' << idiocy. i had linux kernel AND trb in < 5 MB.
assbot: trb ... ( http://bit.ly/24l9VkL )
mircea_popescu: eh it doesn't pull anything. think about it : it is a modest, quiet hope, specifically that shiva/b-a/trb is actually heavy enough that it may pull him.
mircea_popescu: won't be accepted in trb by any means, but i dun see anything wrong wiht the process.
asciilifeform: phf: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1412300 << as stated in the comments, i regard this as a serious loose end that must be tied before anyone can even contemplate using a shivatronic trb in the battlefield ☝︎
assbot: trb ... ( http://bit.ly/1ow16nt )
assbot: trb ... ( http://bit.ly/1ow0Y7q )
asciilifeform: (for n00bs or readers who have not been keeping up, 'shiva' is a highly experimental affair and not to be considered part of mainline trb!)
polarbeard: never, I'm not translating trb to scheme
asciilifeform: 1) to have the cpp content of trb asymptotically go to ZERO with time
asciilifeform: is that by 'marshalling' the pointers, you are introducing trb's leakages into tinyscheme.
asciilifeform: shiva.cpp as i originally wrote it, includes all of the trb headers. you can form scheme data structures handily without engaging in weird cppisms, just by iterating over, e.g., the node list, and forming scheme list while you do it.
polarbeard: re: my patches, I'm trying to keep an up to date version of them on my github trb repo, wouldn't mind submitting to the ml if somebody asks
asciilifeform: aha recall this from early trb days ?
assbot: trb ... ( http://bit.ly/1OmNtfq )
assbot: trb ... ( http://bit.ly/1OmNtfo )
mircea_popescu: but the point remains : having a trb foundation on the solid foundation of a v environment IS a convenience.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is a defensible perspective but it leaves me wondering wtf you were doing when founded a trb foundation ! a throne omg!!1111111
mircea_popescu: this whole "we are developers herp" thing is prb not trb.
asciilifeform: on the other hand, a bunch of folks here are trying to trb
pete_dushenski: mod6: fwiw i'm endlessly appreciative of the work you've done thus far. you make noobing trb possible :)
asciilifeform: ~6G occupied by trb on dulap after 40 days. nb.
asciilifeform: in other news, blocks that take my trb nodez 5-10 min. to verify have become sop.
asciilifeform: it is one thing if it is a heathen dep that pre-existed trb, e.g., boost
adlai has unfinished business, with people that pay him btc; trb hacking falls under play.
asciilifeform: (the folks who laughed when i said 'no curl on trb build box' - still laughing ?) ☟︎
asciilifeform: part1 is the bridge. part2 is the only place where trb per se is touched, where the hooks are inserted.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408030 << it had own genesis to establish pedigree with the historic tinyscheme. but shiva is a patch that bridges it into the trb tree. and yes i rebased it, it works with the current trb. ☝︎☟︎
punkman: a sidenote that came to mind looking at phf's lisp snippet: adding comments to everything for release patches (and alt-genesis) doesn't work so great if you have non-plaintext files. not a problem for trb as it is, but perhaps something to keep in mind.
punkman: the tinyscheme stands alone but there;s also 2-3 other patches related to it that touch trb
assbot: Logged on 12-02-2016 14:13:21; polarbeard: works like a charm, here is a patch for removing some unused functions if somebody is interested: https://github.com/polarbeard/trb/blob/master/patches/polarbeard_rm_unused_functions.vpatch https://github.com/polarbeard/trb/blob/master/sigs/polarbeard_rm_unused_functions.vpatch.polarbeard.sig
asciilifeform: a blackholed trb does not fall silent, but actually is maintaining links with a number of existing peers (bouncing inv's, etc)
mod6: there may be problems here: <+asciilifeform> Stec: let us know if you have any problem building trb.
asciilifeform: Stec: you need gcc on any reasonable unix. that's all. trb will build a new compiler, and with it will build itself.
asciilifeform: Stec: let us know if you have any problem building trb.
asciilifeform: fella says he wants to try trb.
Stec: Я готов выделить пару серверов для trb
Stec: trb не форк?
asciilifeform: Stec: рекомендую познакомиться с исходиками trb, не пожалеешь
Stec: what an idea trb?
Stec: what an idea trb?
Stec: accidentally found trb
Stec: trb?
mircea_popescu: Stec are you running trb on them ?
asciilifeform: incidentally i see no reason why any trb node ought to allow a tx (mempool, vs in-block) to consume more cpu time than it took to receive from the nic.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: Luke-JR claimed that a rogue miner could push TRB nodes with blocks that aren't valid and fool them.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: every time trb is mentioned on reddit, i see this crud re: 'important fixes.'
jurov: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35569281 inspiration for trb :D
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the blackout re: trb is more or less total, don't expect miracles
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i would add in your article that the flagship trb boxes are running sans-glibc.
mircea_popescu: now that trb no longer uses it, is ok to burn it ?
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 2 for asciilifeform with note: trb and general wizard, slayer of enemies of the Republic both foreign and domestic.
shinohai: !rate asciilifeform 2 trb and general wizard, slayer of enemies of the Republic both foreign and domestic.
asciilifeform: does pywallet actually work with trb ?
assbot: trb ... ( http://bit.ly/1SP5343 )
assbot: trb ... ( http://bit.ly/1SP5343 )
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for shinohai from 1 to 2 with note: Active TRB tester guy.
mircea_popescu: !rate shinohai 2 Active TRB tester guy.
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for mod6 from 1 to 2 with note: Hours of trb instruction and support for my node.
shinohai: !rate mod6 2 Hours of trb instruction and support for my node.
asciilifeform: which ~trb~ mircea_popescu ?
asciilifeform: not trb
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for danielpbarron from 1 to 2 with note: Eulorian. Nice help testing TRB & b-a wiki.
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for peterl with note: Built TRB node.
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for funkenstein_ from 1 to 2 with note: Testing & Development of TRB.
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for hanbot from 3 to 4 with note: Wonderful help testing TRB.
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for phf with note: Nice development work on TRB.
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for shinohai from 1 to 2 with note: Very responsive and helpful testing of TRB & V.
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for gernika with note: Nice work testing TRB & V.
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for pete_dushenski from 1 to 2 with note: Built TRB node & helps test. Runs contravex.com a TMSR related blog.
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for trinque from 2 to 3 with note: deedbot. Great work testing & Development for TRB.
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for thestringpuller from 2 to 3 with note: Helped test TRB.
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for tomservo from 1 to 2 with note: Built TRB node.
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for punkman from 1 to 2 with note: Development for TRB.
mod6: !rate funkenstein_ 2 Testing & Development of TRB
mod6: !rate pete_dushenski 2 Built TRB node & helps test. Runs contravex.com a TMSR related blog.
mod6: !rate gernika 1 Nice work testing TRB & V.
mod6: !rate phf 1 Nice development work on TRB.
mod6: !rate peterl 1 Built TRB node.
mod6: !rate danielpbarron 2 Eulorian. Nice help testing TRB & b-a wiki.