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asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927867 << this solves ~half~ of lobbes's riddle. observe that they work , when i throw'em in ( as well as all uniturds in phf's and diana_coman's dumps , imported w/out issue )
asciilifeform: ( and not, as one might expect, ru, or greek, etc. which 100% swallowed a+++ from phf's logs )
asciilifeform: hence wai phf's method was Right Thing, and mine not
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927573 << btw i considered 'shit static pages' . has the obv. costs ( can never put in phf-style backlinks; or rather they then have O(N) cost ; and repair work like http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927470 becomes very, very expensive )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: plox to match phf's format, i'ma then snip out the imported tape and re-eat
asciilifeform: and phf -- did not
asciilifeform: diana_coman: phf's did not include space in 'nick;*;payload'
asciilifeform: e.g. http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10 is still ~1.7s vs phf's 0.1 . but still sumthing.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 22:19:18 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927238 << the back/fwd links a la phf ? defo will go in (i'm aiming for 100% feature parity) but some time after the raw-export and similar knobs aimed to make redundant-backup installs easier
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927238 << the back/fwd links a la phf ? defo will go in (i'm aiming for 100% feature parity) but some time after the raw-export and similar knobs aimed to make redundant-backup installs easier
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 10:24:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'date' thing fixed. did find that clock on the box has drifted by + ~40min (it dun 'ntp'ism or any such.) suppose ought to fix (and get then phf-style odd timestamps) or leave alone ?
asciilifeform: seems like phf also occasionally went 'hey clock drifted by 40min, let's move it'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'date' thing fixed. did find that clock on the box has drifted by + ~40min (it dun 'ntp'ism or any such.) suppose ought to fix (and get then phf-style odd timestamps) or leave alone ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: of pastes and txt links , phf-style, is planned. of general html liquishit, a la arch.is -- not planned, it is serious open problem
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 08:33:52 phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926224 << perhaps quarter dead, but days go to going to hospital for daily wounds dressing, sleeping a lot and going for walks, i have another sugery on monday to close me up.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 17:05:07 asciilifeform: snsabot and its www end are imho usably snappy, but you can tell that they run in interpreter, visibly slower than phf's
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 08:34:09 phf: there's no need to znc, the entire archive of logs is available here: http://btcbase.org/log-raw/ with 2016-03.txt being the last kako file. the only outlier is tmsr-logs-apr2012-oct2013.txt which is the dump mircea_popescu gave me of the prehistoric logs, which i have a custom reader for.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926775 << while would still like znc-eating & similar to close gaps, must note that phf's bot has the closest to 100% time coverage of afaik any. so defo will make use of.
asciilifeform: phf: alternatively , genesis the thing and i'ma maintain it. i might be the only daily user, and would be entirely fair for asciilifeform to carry the work of maintaining the thing.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 08:34:17 phf: btcbase will continue running the way it has been so far, and i will continue putting vpatches into patches at least until there's a replacement
asciilifeform: em. that way could fill it up with recents (e.g. diana_coman's v sigs; asciilifeform's last 'm' patch/sig) w/out hassling phf
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 08:34:02 phf: asciilifeform: i'll genesis you the logger in the next two weeks. i'd rather you not waste time on it though. the design predates castles, so making it multichannel might be excessive amount of work. it's idiosyncratic, a product of the conversations from four years ago. your current approach seems a lot more solid.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926774 << wb, phf ! i ftr am glad to see you back, and will defo read yer proggy (and crib from, to make modernized / rationally-designed logotron sans voodoo, when time permits)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 05:20:29 mircea_popescu: what can you do, alf just not as good at computing as phf :D
lobbes: phf: the znc eater, if I am corrent in understanding, is for backfilling the other castle logs (#a, #o, #e, etc.)
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 1 week, 4 days, 13 hours, and 21 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> will [http://btcbase.org/patches] [patch viewer] ever get [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-24#1924501] [fed] !? and how about [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-22#1924232] You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last 60 seconds; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes. ?! where didja go, phf ? feeding the fish ?
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 2 weeks, 3 days, 10 hours, and 10 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> plox to snarf vpatch in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3420 , ty.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 16:00:01 asciilifeform: re mircea_popescu's postmortem -- perhaps phf still in bed half-dead, but wtf was errybody else's excuse.
mircea_popescu: what can you do, alf just not as good at computing as phf :D ☟︎
diana_coman: at refresh of bot's log page I notice the "snappy but visibly slower than phf's " aspect asciilifeform mentioned
lobbes: still left to do: needs to convert the calendar timestamps into the phf-style unix epochal format.
asciilifeform: lobbes: 1 good test for your znc eater, would be to eat some zncade that's already reflected in phf's dump, and see whether matches.
asciilifeform: also cheated by cribbing phf's www htmlizations/style/etc.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926458 << well, take the current log tail; here on my box 'time curl ....' is 2.2s for mine vs 0.09s for phf's
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 17:05:07 asciilifeform: snsabot and its www end are imho usably snappy, but you can tell that they run in interpreter, visibly slower than phf's
asciilifeform: snsabot and its www end are imho usably snappy, but you can tell that they run in interpreter, visibly slower than phf's
asciilifeform: right nao i have 1 knob that phf did not, the activity ticker on top of page
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phf's had the activity graph. i did not clone it
asciilifeform: ( phf's still worx, but i have nfi whether will for how long )
asciilifeform: re mircea_popescu's postmortem -- perhaps phf still in bed half-dead, but wtf was errybody else's excuse.
mp_en_viaje: o look at that, phf logger also quit sometime last night. hey!
asciilifeform: and, the other q, is writing log www somehow lethally dangerous work ?! kako wrote -- succumbed to brain fungus. Framedragger -- succumbed. phf -- ditto. ben_vulpes -- ???!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes ( or trinque , plox to whisper in his ear ) : phf might be dead, but afaik you aint! where is the genesis of yer www log front end ? why are we down to ONE half-maintained log bot ? does asciilifeform have to drop errything and try an' bake a logger ? why ?
a111: Logged on 2019-07-28 23:01 mp_en_viaje: as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1806991 tradition i don't even have enough information to distinguish between the case where "phf bleeding to death in a minsk ditch" ; "phf in love forgot all about world" ; "phf kidnapped by unreported alien invasion" or literally any other alternative. nfi how to approach it, either, tried everything i could think of.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-29 07:13 mp_en_viaje: the fundamental difference being that naggum wrote a lot and phf avoided expressing self like you'd avoid fucking shambling old crackwhores in a leprosorium ; on which basis i'd daresay "nah, it'd be too much like expressing himself".
mp_en_viaje: the fundamental difference being that naggum wrote a lot and phf avoided expressing self like you'd avoid fucking shambling old crackwhores in a leprosorium ; on which basis i'd daresay "nah, it'd be too much like expressing himself". ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-07-28 22:46 mp_en_viaje: re phf, it's pretty weird case, we met a coupla times in minsk ; then he just quit answering his phone. it was mildly concerning because he was having some health issues, but the people at his hotel wouldn't fucking pick up the phone and i opted against scouring the hospitals and police blotters before leaving.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-28 23:01 mp_en_viaje: as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1806991 tradition i don't even have enough information to distinguish between the case where "phf bleeding to death in a minsk ditch" ; "phf in love forgot all about world" ; "phf kidnapped by unreported alien invasion" or literally any other alternative. nfi how to approach it, either, tried everything i could think of.
mp_en_viaje: as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1806991 tradition i don't even have enough information to distinguish between the case where "phf bleeding to death in a minsk ditch" ; "phf in love forgot all about world" ; "phf kidnapped by unreported alien invasion" or literally any other alternative. nfi how to approach it, either, tried everything i could think of. ☝︎☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-23 06:59 mircea_popescu: and this paroxistic-avoidant approach worries me universally, phf is stuck in the exact same rut, for instance. i have never in my life seen this approach to things work. not once, not FUCKING ONCE, and this is all the more indicative as it's one of the most commonly deployed broken strategies.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-20 13:42 mp_en_viaje: in other local news, ima go for coffee @ cafe de paris, karla marcsa 8 say about 18:00, if any phf s in town wanna join.
a111: 2019-07-18 <phf> afk
asciilifeform: !#seen phf
mp_en_viaje: re phf, it's pretty weird case, we met a coupla times in minsk ; then he just quit answering his phone. it was mildly concerning because he was having some health issues, but the people at his hotel wouldn't fucking pick up the phone and i opted against scouring the hospitals and police blotters before leaving. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-07-22 13:52 asciilifeform: really imho would rather have genesis of phf's, than a php concoction
a111: Logged on 2019-07-24 13:32 asciilifeform: grr phf is it gonna take 2 months for the thing to be in btcbase.org/patches so i can link to it ?!
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf will patch viewer ever get fed !? and how about logotron genesis ?! where didja go, phf ? feeding the fish ? ☝︎☝︎
mp_en_viaje: hey phf, did you disappear ?
asciilifeform: grr phf is it gonna take 2 months for the thing to be in btcbase.org/patches so i can link to it ?! ☟︎
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf plox to snarf vpatch in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3420 , ty.
asciilifeform: #!later tell phf plox to snarf vpatch in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3420 , ty.
asciilifeform: !#later tell phf plox to snarf vpatch in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3420 , ty.
asciilifeform: really imho would rather have genesis of phf's, than a php concoction ☟︎
asciilifeform: i find it odd tho, that phf et al did not genesis, wtf, phf , didja use seekrit bolix tech in there ? what's the hangup?!
asciilifeform: logtron gotta have phf-style search imho, to be of any use.
asciilifeform: ( didn't mp_en_viaje have tea with phf not long ago ? did he say anyffin re subj ? )
asciilifeform: why phf never genesised his, wish i knew, imho it is the most feature-complete one
a111: Logged on 2019-07-22 08:45 mp_en_viaje: is the situation basically that neither phf nor framedragger ever published anything, while ben_vulpes has a logger that's... was it published or not ? i recall joint publishing a bot with trinque, that's lacking what, web bindings ? and then spyked was working on one that's not ready and lobbes has one but he never published code ?
mp_en_viaje: is the situation basically that neither phf nor framedragger ever published anything, while ben_vulpes has a logger that's... was it published or not ? i recall joint publishing a bot with trinque, that's lacking what, web bindings ? and then spyked was working on one that's not ready and lobbes has one but he never published code ? ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: phf ^
asciilifeform: diana_coman et al : iirc phf stepped into his (unknown to me) bear trap right after proclaiming that will fix this item
diana_coman: ftr I used above vpatch and vdiff from phf's vtools at http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak-regrind/ ; is there anything newer that I missed somehow?
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform ftr, nicole's like "who asked about phf's asshole ?" and hanbot's like "stan" and nicole's like "naturally."
asciilifeform: tangentially, what's http://trilema.com/2019/proper-html-linking-the-crisis-the-solution-the-resolution-conclusion/?b=Phf&e=tree#select about ?
mp_en_viaje: in other local news, ima go for coffee @ cafe de paris, karla marcsa 8 say about 18:00, if any phf s in town wanna join. ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: and phf's drop down list is getting crowded
mp_en_viaje: anyways. in other news ima be having brunch with phf tomorrow, if anyone wants me to hit him in the head for any reason let me know, i hear he's partly incapacitated anyway so it's the right time.
mp_en_viaje: phf, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qKDZF/?raw=true
asciilifeform: the other variant is to do a la trb, genesis e.g. 3.70.16 (arbitrary, happens to be what i had around during 1st test) and ~then~ cut, a la trb. but it is gargantuan , would make trb genesis look microscopic in comparison, viewing the genesis patch in e.g. phf's viewer will prolly crash most www browser..
mp_en_viaje: phf, aite, do you want somebody to pick you up at the airport or anything ?
a111: 2019-07-06 <phf> that will make it apparent that you're still walking Input in order, one by one, because right now offset/ptr combination make it seem like you might be stepping by more than 1 and taking slices
asciilifeform: !#seen phf
mp_en_viaje: speaking of which, i wonder what happened to phf
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-11#1922318 - this doesn't seem to work so I don't know who else - phf, trinque ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: ... phf ?
mp_en_viaje: phf, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WMlef/?raw=true
mp_en_viaje: phf, plox use this key tho
asciilifeform: based on phf's reports, even in india this aint a thing in 21st c
mp_en_viaje: hey phf, since i'll be in minsk for a while, how inconvenient is it to hop in a plane, come have a beefsteak or something ?
bvt: phf: if you are still here, one small question: what is the purpose of this line http://btcbase.org/patches/vtools_ksum#L64 ? Fs is not used anywhere later.
asciilifeform: ( as i understand, e.g. mod6 , phf , are in even darker corners. )
mircea_popescu: not like i;m sitting here on a pile of gold an' coin amassed through exploiting phf, mod6 an; poor little old you but won' tsplit the loot.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 17:47 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i can see his irritation , also, 2 other worms this yr have all but stopped giving silk -- mod6 , phf -- 'for no apparent reason'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i can see his irritation , also, 2 other worms this yr have all but stopped giving silk -- mod6 , phf -- 'for no apparent reason' ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: and omfg holy shit phf's thing handles nested bracketing. dude this is so pleasant....
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1920043 <<< >>> http://loper-os.org/pub/naggum-articles.tgz ( ty phf , btw , who dug it out ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 21:26 mircea_popescu: phf you can also book with a day+ layover in panama on your way back. for one thing you get to see the place and despise panama for good reason rather than by hearsay ; for the other flight over here is ~1hr ~every hour.
mircea_popescu: or alternatively, there's all sorta greatness, phf has a perfectly workable code metadiscussion system on btcbase, jurov had a ver yworkable one for earlier trb work and so fucking on.
mircea_popescu: and this paroxistic-avoidant approach worries me universally, phf is stuck in the exact same rut, for instance. i have never in my life seen this approach to things work. not once, not FUCKING ONCE, and this is all the more indicative as it's one of the most commonly deployed broken strategies. ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i expected that finally making it to ru would be morale booster for phf. ( evidently not? wai not ? )