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mircea_popescu: phf do you remember why ave1 's thing isn't in http://btcbase.org/patches ? ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-05 18:02 phf: gentoo out of the box turned out to have all kinds of interesting surprises (i haven't ran gentoo in years, so it was interesting to see the holes through which the darkness comes). like the foo-9999999.ebuilds that just pull from the mystery github repos without any kind of checksumming
asciilifeform: phf: if you have a handy list of these lulz in your notes, plox to post
asciilifeform: phf: indeed there were a great many ports without even a heathen gpg sig
mircea_popescu: phf ikr
a111: Logged on 2018-06-30 13:45 phf: https://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=3212479 "C Is Not a Low-level Language: Your computer is not a fast PDP-11."
a111: Logged on 2018-06-18 23:08 trinque: phf, Mocky, and others waiting on cuntoo, the genesis.vpatch which contains only the ebuilds necessary for a minimal system is about 4mb.
mircea_popescu: btw, asciilifeform phf or other conaisseurs of ye olde mosfilm : you'll prolly much enjoy http://trilema.com/2012/the-lords-of-flatbush/ ; it's basically the tough youth of soviet agitprop, in all the formal particulars, except functionally he runs away like a rabbit and sees no problem with this.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-03 19:22 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-03#1831431 << looks like it indeed was a loose screw. reassembling the thing fixed the issue
a111: Logged on 2018-07-02 22:34 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-02#1831410 << his work in progress parser doesn't handle end of file, so as of right now the error is normal
a111: Logged on 2018-07-02 17:24 mircea_popescu: i'm looking for roads into the os. could be from phf's emacs, could be from spyked 's lisp, could be from your arms, could be from whatever the fuck ends up working.
asciilifeform: phf: if you're about to spudge it open, lift the kbd slowly, i tore the touchpad hirosi connctr straight off the pcb in mine
asciilifeform: phf: 3 out of 4 of'em have chassis screws
asciilifeform: phf: yes
asciilifeform: phf: what plug hole. thing charges from the usbc jacks, cr50 actually drives the charger logic.
asciilifeform: phf: pizarro cluster is running a ( pre-trinqueian, admittedly ) arm64 gentoo even nao
asciilifeform: phf: fwiw i put my c101pa in the graveyard for nao, it was massive sink of time with ~0 to show for it
asciilifeform: phf: i suspect this is a deliberate google retardation, thing has a gyro
mod6: phf: ahhh, got it. thanks for the info.
mircea_popescu: i'm looking for roads into the os. could be from phf's emacs, could be from spyked 's lisp, could be from your arms, could be from whatever the fuck ends up working. ☟︎
spyked: ^ phf, can you pl0x add this to the btcbase patch list? and http://lucian.mogosanu.ro/src/trilemabot/ ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: phf: interestingly, none of the planes that go to BingoBoingostan, appeared to have sockets ( maybe in firstclass, they do ? asciilifeform wouldn't know , has never sat there )
asciilifeform: phf: yeah, great until you're on a plane, or worthless chinese orc-to-human mains adapter breaks ( happened to asciilifeform in BingoBoingostan ), or sitting on BingoBoingo's roof , or, or.
asciilifeform: phf: it's ~useless to do just about anything with that box without the snake
asciilifeform: phf: if you get a black screen, chances are that it didn't boot the kernel
asciilifeform: phf: console, via snake
asciilifeform: phf: copied the layout blindly from vendor's example shitlinux
asciilifeform: phf: iirc alignment
asciilifeform: 'not near keys' lol. perhaps today's the day phf ends up eating a faux key via his isp's brand-new www diddletron.
asciilifeform: lol phf it hasn't changed
a111: Logged on 2018-06-30 15:12 phf: asciilifeform: long work week?
asciilifeform: phf: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-16#925557 , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765110 , elsewhere ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-29 03:26 phf: https://hope.net//schedule.html for expert entomologists
mircea_popescu: phf the new york you know is not the new york i know.
asciilifeform: phf: soon they'll be pretending that the 10s neverended..
asciilifeform: phf: my 1 'shmoocon' trip more or less cured me of the notion of going to any such thing again
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not only still exists, but asciilifeform ( and iirc phf also ) have working examples .
asciilifeform: notbad find, phf
mircea_popescu: well yes, the protabilityhell starts with printf, which is why phf was using that as example.
mircea_popescu: my first step would be "omfg take that cygwin out". but as per phf's, since i'm not doing it...
mircea_popescu: phf nevertheless, his argument is reductionist not categorical. saying "all men die, even those without pneumonia" is not a good reason for bb to not go see doctor.
asciilifeform: phf: you dun see a difference between printf() and wtf-func-that-only-exists-on-pdp() ?
mircea_popescu: phf the "considering that no one but myself have signed vtool" argument is disingenuous in the sense that of telling sons "considering i'm the only one fucking anything...". dami tempu ca ti pirtusu
asciilifeform: phf: this is an unfortunate fact of life for state machine, but it is to be ~fought~, not give in to.
asciilifeform: phf: that's rather exactly what you're signing when you sign a proggy with inactivated #ifdefolade
mircea_popescu: phf this is not avoidable, to figure out ~why~ you put x.key in your seals dir you gotta know, human-know, what x stands for.
asciilifeform: phf: however it ends up defined, signing coad you could not possibly have run, and which -- given how c worx -- could contain literally ~anything~ -- can't possibly be The Right Thing
asciilifeform: the principle of the thing, phf
asciilifeform: phf: if the support is implemented with #ifdef's, then it really gotta go imho
a111: Logged on 2018-06-27 18:18 phf: vtools are already pre-heathened, support apple and freebsd
asciilifeform: phf: right, but if errrybody is building off same libcism, proggies will be massaged until builds without eggog
asciilifeform: phf: musl
a111: Logged on 2018-06-26 17:45 phf: trinque: one reason i didn't include patch name in the manifest is because patch name becomes a promise, unless you enforce it by tooling. i didn't want to go that way, but since current standard manifest does include patch name, than perhaps V ought to check the manifest against the patchset. relatedly fully manifest-based v doesn't even need graph tooling, can presumably press according to manifest's chain.
mircea_popescu: 1. you sign a new patch, manifest.patch. at this juncture, phf's viewer will show it to the side, unconnected to the tree.
trinque: phf: thought I had there was that if you have only a manifest in hand, perhaps the name is useful in some dht lookup for the patches later
trinque: see phf's linked line above. not strictly necessary
trinque: phf: harping on it because I don't see evidence that reason for the manifest has been internalized
a111: Logged on 2018-06-15 17:26 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825631 << updated, but it's a novel way of using manifest though: normally it requires a regrind where manifest is built up as you go, so the press order is enforced through graph. right now your manifest gives a press order, that's not enforced by anything
a111: Logged on 2018-06-23 20:39 phf: "beware of dog"? seems unlikely though..
asciilifeform: but , tldr -- phf was of course right , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-23#1829126 was 'too good to be true' ☝︎
asciilifeform: ^ phf , mircea_popescu , other interested folx ^
a111: Logged on 2018-05-31 21:40 phf: i remember seeing the archive.org version of the relevant page, but i think the correspond tar.gz was not in archive, and i gave up tryin to track it down
asciilifeform: 'мочила -- pro fella, who мочит' (tm)(r)(phf)(iirc)
mircea_popescu: here's something for phf : https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Casa_Grande_e_Tulha_da_Antiga_Chacara_do_Paraiso_das_Campinas_Velhas_Foto_5.jpg ("Casa Grande e Tulha, conjunto arquitetônico de valor histórico, construído entre as décadas de 1790 e 1830. Está entre as primeiras edificações de Campinas.")
asciilifeform was aiming to nail down from what derives what, rather than flooding phf, lel
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 2 hours and 54 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> other interesting observations: 1) loader is not the same as what appears in the src, in either 3.3 or 3.4 fw bin; not only key differs, but eggog strings, and possibly the rsa per se. 2) seems like : nowhere else in the fw is there any other routine which checksums/rsaverifies the cr50 fw , or references the rsa keyz at all other than to print keyid .
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 3 hours and 6 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828933 >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-23#1829007 >> https://github.com/coreboot/chrome-ec/blob/master/chip/g/signed_header.h >>>>> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/ro_signature.txt ( not the only 1, but illustrative )
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf other interesting observations: 1) loader is not the same as what appears in the src, in either 3.3 or 3.4 fw bin; not only key differs, but eggog strings, and possibly the rsa per se. 2) seems like : nowhere else in the fw is there any other routine which checksums/rsaverifies the cr50 fw , or references the rsa keyz at all other than to print keyid .
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828933 >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-23#1829007 >> https://github.com/coreboot/chrome-ec/blob/master/chip/g/signed_header.h >>>>> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/ro_signature.txt ( not the only 1, but illustrative ) ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: phf: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/cr50_v3.4/chip/g/build.mk#10 << see
asciilifeform: phf: nein, i flashed it in earlier, recall
asciilifeform: phf or anybody with a free hand or 2, plox to review http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828750 , see if i am missing sumthing ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-22 03:42 phf: well for one, they all talk like the doms they've seen on tv, "i bore me now" "run along little pet" i mean what's next "beg, worm"?
a111: Logged on 2018-06-22 02:49 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828378 << distinctions like that are often subtle and a matter of taste, but as long as the overal approach is informed now might be a good time to paste what you have.
mircea_popescu: phf some chick was like "oh, i expect it's a game of numbers" and i was like "nope. i talk to everyone. statistics is not related to plenitudes."
asciilifeform: phf: presumably idaho
a111: Logged on 2018-06-22 02:49 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828378 << distinctions like that are often subtle and a matter of taste, but as long as the overal approach is informed now might be a good time to paste what you have.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 16:13 mircea_popescu: phf there were takers, mod6 working on rawtx recall ?
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 12:23 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1738140 <-- ftr, I am following phf's initial advice re. reading lisp in small pieces; this, along with kogge's book. but at snail's pace (code easier to write than read)
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 12:19 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737923 <-- also, spyked's adalisp is missing more fundamental things, such as closures. it's an early prototype, barely usable, but > 0. interning is of course considered, but not added yet. anyway, phf, consider the following point: built-in symbols (car, cons, etc.) still have to point *somewhere*, and that somewhere must not be addressed in a C-machine style! symbols should point to Lisp memory (via
a111: Logged on 2017-10-08 14:06 phf: spyked: r5rs and tinyscheme are not the right places to start on the other, non-ada end, i'd recommend looking at lisp in small pieces. you can tease out the theory out of tinyscheme, but it's definitely easier not to get bogged on accidentals if you start from theory
spyked: quite the backbreaker, yes. I have some coad, but it sucks (iirc I linked some of it and phf tore it to pieces).
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 16:29 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828076 << phf in retrospect tinyscheme plugin was an ill-conceived thing. such item really calls for a troo adatronic scheme thing.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 01:29 phf: much hairy, unix.lisp, runtime, sbcl's new approach of doing every single bit of ffi by writing C function wrappers first
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 16:08 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828005 << the closest we got to a replacement i believe was asciilifeform's shiva, i.e. a tinyscheme embedded into trb runtime. it was suggested as a useful exercise for novices to attempt to expose existing, useful rpc function using it, but there were no takers. at some point the idea of using shiva in prod also went away, because tinyscheme is not necessarily production ready (primarily because of C-ism issues). as
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828076 << phf in retrospect tinyscheme plugin was an ill-conceived thing. such item really calls for a troo adatronic scheme thing. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: phf there were takers, mod6 working on rawtx recall ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: asciilifeform, mod6 , phf , ben_vulpes , trinque , ( and several other folx, who are not here, flunked out ) , have done this.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 01:22 phf: typically hashtables stay stable over invocations of same code, i wonder where randomness is even coming from
asciilifeform: phf: i thought you had a working dos emacs..?
asciilifeform: btw phf i nominate you as the hero who will produce msdos gnat.
asciilifeform: phf: prolly from os/bitness/etc-dependent crapolade in tree rebalancer etc
a111: Logged on 2018-06-19 18:08 phf: asciilifeform: well, it's been ported, but i've no idea how, last time i looked at it was pre-rework and i couldn't figure it out. trinque just said that the musl version of emacs he has is 24.5, so presumably that works
a111: Logged on 2016-04-22 00:36 asciilifeform: phf: the emacs tumour (see logz, the 'flycheck' thread) is what really blew my mind
mircea_popescu: phf funny, rails linked from there look 100% like "patriotic knockoff rails"
mircea_popescu: phf https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DnUWFFS_zBs/maxresdefault.jpg << this looks very right re rails. which is why i thought marklin
mircea_popescu: phf this is confusing, because the engines look right but the cars do not.
mircea_popescu: phf i had one of those too.
asciilifeform: oh hey i had phf 's train. aaand the... abusable.. transformer, of course
ben_vulpes: phf: i had a set quite like that as well, but never got into it. "so, it goes around? and if you go too fast, it pops off the track?" brio also more for the 2-5 set