mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly. the fiat economy is predicated on the theory that value may be constructed out of a trillion promises that each on and of itself is worthless
mircea_popescu: and the fiat state is predicated on the theory that productive work may be extracted out of assemblages of a trillion shitheads that by and of themselves are wholly incapable.
mircea_popescu: even at the risk of driving down legitimate promises and capable people, the theory goes, this is still a worthwhile endeavour.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not a matter of the machines per se tho.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i have no report for today, been in bed best part of a week
cazalla: hardly, depressed more like it
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cazalla: i've had mri of neck, brain, cardiac ct, halter monitor, xrays, blood work, etc etc
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cazalla: so that's why i sometimes stay in bed for a week or 2 and just sleep the depression off
mircea_popescu: go work out. none of that high performance gym shit tho, this isn't to perform, this is to relax. ride a horse. swim. something sane.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, spring is due here so i'm going to do laps once it warms up a little
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mircea_popescu: cazalla you're not supposed to sit, but that's a splendid idea : pole dancing.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to be perfectly fair, the guy wasn't keeping his finances in the best of orders (according to you know, the criteria required so you don't get called "a cult leader" by teh cult leadership). nevertheless, nothing nearly as bad as what the childfucker jimbo wales did in his day
mircea_popescu: ironically, the very guy the entire clampdown on the internets exist to protect the internets for
mircea_popescu: gets to run a piece of shit "resource" that everyone pushes as if it were useful.
assbot: Logged on 09-07-2014 00:04:59; asciilifeform: pierce << ideal example of the animal described on one of mircea_popescu's essays - he could be packed into prison for life, any time, based on what's in his file. so he does as instructed.
mircea_popescu: obviously. but the convenience does not resolve the other angle. it's a ruinous association.
mircea_popescu: "why do you hang out with these bums ?" "because they're the only people that call me a beauty queen", said the ambitious teenaged slut.
mircea_popescu: but yes, it's been for many decades now the established mo of the great "nation" of the united states : to grow an inch, cut an inch off the measuring tape.
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cazalla: mircea_popescu, i'm still interested in forum posting, didn't want you to think i was blowing it off even though that's what i've done this week, i'll bbl, week of logs to catch up on
mircea_popescu: cazalla no biggy. this is the fungible sort of work, it'll wait.
mircea_popescu: you know ? putting some idiot's wife in the gulag doesn't make him suddenly smart.
mircea_popescu: think of it : two major powers, with very close ideologies, the absolute leader of one in love with the absolute leader of the other, managed to go to war!
mircea_popescu: who's to blame ? inept ribentropp, inept molotov, chiefly.
mircea_popescu: if they worked together we'd be sitting here speaking german threatening doom to the third reich.
mircea_popescu: millions of country boys had to be assembled in the choir invisible to rectify the mistakes of two inept diplomats.
mircea_popescu: i think balzac is the first to describe it. some small sleepy country town somewhere, with two printing licenses
mircea_popescu: the owner of one figuring it's better to keep the other in the hands of its current inept owner than let him lose it.
mircea_popescu: or, if you prefer, de retz has some mentions in his memoirs, to the same principle.
BingoBoingo: Almond milk is about the only way I find almonds palatable, the demon cyanide tasting seeds that they are.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why's the reporter so fucking excited lol
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assbot: Logged on 20-08-2014 04:00:19; *: asciilifeform prefers viktor pelevin's уркаина - 'urkaine', which metamorphosizes over 1000 years (in one of his tales) to 'urkland' and then 'orcland.'
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mircea_popescu: yeah i know. we had a bunch of crypto natl-socialist idiots in romania too.
mircea_popescu: they taught the greeks magic and romans to write don;'t you know./
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mircea_popescu: what's he going to do if say a bn chicks actually decide to go for it ?
mircea_popescu: "theoretical physicists calculate the imaginary part of schroedinger function collapses for various items in their room and then convert it all to matrix form to go to sleep"
mircea_popescu: lol even today., well yes even today, what's changed ?
BingoBoingo: Well now there's options like methylphenidate, modafinil, and all sorts of other imposters
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm thinking of the one that rolled the meth together with an opiate, and maybe a few other things
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because pure amphetamine is undiscriminatory.
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BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> undiscriminatory ? << Hits receptors without much regard for location in the body
BingoBoingo: Including just enough for some analgesia masks side effects of the amphetamine activating all kinds of catecholamine receptors it wasn't intended to
BingoBoingo: The recreational term I think is "speedballing"
decimation: I think methamphetamines are still prescribed for military pilots who need to 'remain alert' for days at a time
decimation: asciilifeform: "it pattern-matches 'derp' and throws my concentration" << yeah I have the same experience.
mircea_popescu: decimation they're self prescribed by doctors working the us meatgrinder for sure.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> asciilifeform: "it pattern-matches 'derp' and throws my concentration" << yeah I have the same experience. << does this happen with my stuff too ?
ThickAsThieves: it's for people who beat up their bodies and are susceptible to it, i'm guessing
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mircea_popescu: looks like genetic on that basis. you gotta be really unlucky as a guy
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cause i was thinking, i prolly do more of it than poor taleb.
mircea_popescu: who, notably, has a lot more grounds than me to be all "fu world y u don't respek!"
mircea_popescu: wasn't this the poster for medical pot ? it helps fibromyalgia ?
decimation: mircea_popescu: you have a different writing style. you don't set off the 'derp' alarm, you set off the 'wait, wtf is he on about' alarm, which generally results in an interpretation excercise
mircea_popescu: decimation so taleb's mistake is that he's being a BANAL asshole ?
ThickAsThieves: there are the guys that think all drugs should be legal
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves there are guys that thing all ages should be legal.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's valid. a) erdos doesn't get his guidance from youtube ; b) most people taking it will scrub.
☟︎ decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah there's banality and there's also constant generalization. I realize he's trying to write generally, but it comes close to old-man ranting
mircea_popescu: it's part of that undiscrimination mentioned earlier. it seems to particularly empower any ocd streak you may have.
mircea_popescu: just like acid isn't a good adjuvant to latent paranoia.
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mircea_popescu: decimation people got hacked lately with this "only the general is important" rootkit. it meshes well with the divinsation of data-in-se
mircea_popescu: because somehow they've decided "data" is a substance, it's no longer fit for the thinking man to generate data, and so no more of things like the excellent field reports people like saussure and levi-strauss dedicated their lives to
mircea_popescu: so now all one can still do with his mind is "generalize"
decimation: to me, if one is going to improve on the "only in general" then one is going to have to better than Kant, Kierkegaard, Spinoza, Leibniz, etc.
mircea_popescu: decimation the point is valid, there's relatively little useful stuff these singers/songwriters can do.
decimation: "on the basis of holy data" << oglaf's princeling is searching for holy data to generalize upon as well :)
mircea_popescu: somehow it's conveniently forgotten that einstein's general revolution was based on laboratory data
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not saying this is grounds to make anything legal or illegal, obviously.
mircea_popescu: but i don't believe you'll ever be able to run a place where drugs (the actual sort) are legal, for purely economic reasons.
mircea_popescu: but whether it's legal or illegal doesn't decide whether they queue up for it
mircea_popescu: exactly. making conception illegal for young women is fundamental if you want an educated set of women
mircea_popescu: because if it's not illegal, they'll all get impregnated aged 16
mircea_popescu: and curiosity is a cognate of intelligence. especially in women
decimation: asciilifeform: "rare instrument" << I'm imagining a spectrum analyzer providing light for reading :(
mircea_popescu: decimation i bet you he had this microscope nails thing in his head.
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decimation: asciilifeform: lol I'm not sure that old crt o-scope could be put to much better use
BingoBoingo: "Next, Golubic contacted Sony/BMG Latin, one of the few American labels that produces narcocorridos,and the label offered one of its up-and-coming acts, Les Cuates deSinaloa."
decimation: asciilifeform: I would agree that nothing quite replaces that "temporary storage" of phosphor fading slowly
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decimation: asciilifeform: yeah most folks don't realize the limitations of adc's, especially when it comes to dynamic range issues
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xanthyos: he thinks i'm going to embarass him in here
xanthyos: because he's a cunt and he likes to keep a facade in here to impress mp
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xanthyos: ;;rate danielpbarron -1 fickle with his friends, uses the bible to justify being disloyal
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user danielpbarron has changed from 8 to -1.
xanthyos: danielpbarron: tell your drug dealer friend i want him to settle his debt with me immediately.
xanthyos: i'm cutting ties with both of you
xanthyos: now i feel awkward, and i'm sorry for disrupting things.
xanthyos: didn't feel comfortable staying on danielpbarron 's server anymore
xanthyos: fastest way to cut ties digitally
xanthyos: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:8ab73bf3e1298b53394a1ec3d5aacc63499b1dc8d0a0eb2a5681b079
gribble: You are now authenticated for user xanthyos with key B62E7295387001E9
xanthyos: hm seems i've been banned from -otc, guess the scammers in there are looking to preempt something
mircea_popescu: <xanthyos> because he's a cunt and he likes to keep a facade in here to impress mp << all teh dramaz ?
xanthyos: being a cunt helps him be an effective derp reporter though.
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xanthyos: i got the anger out and now all i have is shame.
keows: is BTCJAM bad for bitcoin?
keows: will the WOT prevail?
keows: i will send you a penny in bitcoin if you say KEOWS
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cazalla: ThickAsThieves: cazalla, is it fibromyalgia? >> I've been told it's somatization but i don't know tbh, i've exhausted whatever medical investigation i've been sent for, cardiologist said whatever it is, not my heart, neuro said whatever it is, not neurological, never tried cannabis for it, doesn't agree with me anyway so not an option
keows: i will send you one penny worth of bitcoins if you simply say
mircea_popescu: "This was well-crafted malware that antivirus programs couldn't detect. It was a very sophisticated attack," Wahab added. << "it didn't come with a warning box to click on"
keows: at first i read "keows it up"
keows: then i read again and im sad panda
ThickAsThieves: my cat just brought my wife's sports bra to me from across the house, waddling its front legs as it dragged in front in its mouth
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, left handle a comment blasting him about his "baseline expectation" bs.
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mircea_popescu: "Your content isn't worth much to begin with if it goes down in value as it gets shared." this is an interesting concept.
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pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: maximizing the market is not a valid goal of economics any more than maximizing body weight is not a valid goal of medicine. << lulz
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assbot: Lolvacute, pentru posteritate pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
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assbot: Amir Taaki has done, and continues to do, huge disservice to anyone serious involved in Bitcoin. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17956 @ 0.00063984 = 11.489 BTC [+] {3}
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 60 @ 0.01069888 = 0.6419 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes re your article, there was at least another scam derpopoulous pushed. can't seem to recall wtf it was tho.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony i'm curious what you'd be like if there was no coffee for a week or two.
fluffypony: when I go hiking I don't take coffee with
fluffypony: it's different when you're out there and active and not staring at a screen all day
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14155 @ 0.00064104 = 9.0739 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol the past! "Sep 04 22:37:31 * ciuciu (~chatzilla@96.127.204.194) has joined #bitcoin-assets"
BingoBoingo: I don't think he's been on since public logs
mircea_popescu: what did he defraud his "numerous investors" with ? some sort of mining farm was it
BingoBoingo: Mining, a bond? Twas before I really started taking notes.
mircea_popescu: "The Bitcoin community is not just overwhelmingly larger but of overwhelmingly better quality as well. Bitcoin is surrounded by real entrepreneurs working hard to create new and useful services for Bitcoin. Altcoins are surrounded by loud-mouthed pretenders with irrational hopes of duplicating Nakamoto's success."
fluffypony: although, Bitcoin "entrepreneurs" aren't much better
mircea_popescu: well obviously everything will be surrounded by a bunch of tims.
BingoBoingo: Back then it didn't much matter what people called their own things as those labels were rarely accurate
mircea_popescu: more a function of what had been on tv that week / what the person picked up from google finance.
mircea_popescu: hey have developed a series of fallacies capable of fooling newcomers into joining them, but they are all disingenuous.
mircea_popescu: Thus, the altcoin communities are not just embarrassing, but dangerous. Desperately wishing to be taken seriously despite having nothing worthwhile to offer, they will say absolutely anything to convince other people to join them. They persist in saying things easily refuted by economic logic, common sense, or verifiable facts.
abathingape: homework in america for colleges is becoming pay to use,
mircea_popescu: abathingape someone should make a "fuck your girlfriend" service.
mircea_popescu: collect money from well to do white people, trick aspirational hispanos into working for free to "prove themselves", show a profit.
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mircea_popescu: sadly the guy has a bitcoin address as a coinbase wallet and a pgp but no wot. wtf.
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 175 Ask: 221 Last Price: 170 24h-Vol: 0k High: 170 Low: 170 VWAP: 169
assbot: Familia traditionala versus harem - studiu comparativ pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8479 @ 0.0006366 = 5.3977 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic: I'm amazed at the trust people put into PoS, but then again after seeing the investment section of bitcointalk it isn't that surprising << makes two of us.
mircea_popescu: the best construction i can put on it is, "hey, the whiteknighting virgin geeks have finally found a way to express their usual "a guy that really loves and respects you and cares" derpage into bitcoin form"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: re: nail polish poison detector << how many cases of dysentery from the finger dips. << i would imagine you dribble rather than dip.
BingoBoingo: "There is no principle difference between the ideal treatment for slaves captured in war and of children born in traditional families, both are people chained to their captors by some imagined debt, of which they personally have not acquiesced." << Interesting, if this is a roughly worthwhile translation.
mircea_popescu: o wow look at this poor bluemeanie dude, he loves me all over the log then i come in and am like all mean to him.
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you got most of it flawlessly, but the intro is a bitch
mircea_popescu: Nu exista in principiu o diferenta de tratament ideal < tratament ideal is, "ideal treatment", in the sense of normative, prescriptive treatment.
mircea_popescu: "nu exista in principiu" means there doesnt exist (nu exista) for absolute reasons (in principiu, roughly, following from principle, for reasons derived from prime principles)
mircea_popescu: so, "the ideal treatment of one does not differ from the other for reasons that are derived from prime principles".
mircea_popescu: the point being that while you're welcome to disagree in practice, your doing so is arbitrariety not reason.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: exponentially difficult << 'learn' for translating a diplomat - perhaps hard; reading articles in your armchair slowly - not so hard << the diplomat in question doth protest.
BingoBoingo: "In net opposition to this bizarre and at least in appearance sick model of social organization, the harem shows some clear advantages."
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BingoBoingo still has yet to recieve spam from the SEC/CIA/NSA/DHS/DEA/NYDSFMOGWTFBBQ asking him to read Trilema for them...
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I have WoT! as some people from other channels might suggest...
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the government works. it'll never pay you to do something you're already interested in.
Niko__: someone who has enough knowledge to himself in trouble
BingoBoingo: Ah allegedly I myself into trouble all the time
mircea_popescu: An organist playing old Stork had a prick that could hold a small fork, and between obbligatos he'd munch on tomatoes to keep up his strength while at work.
Niko__: thats one dextrous dick
mircea_popescu: fun fact re the old stork : milton berle was banned there. along with bogart.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11699 @ 0.00064207 = 7.5116 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Once, while in attendance at a party, a guest made a comment about rape, and Bankhead reportedly replied, "I was raped in our driveway when I was eleven. You know darling, it was a terrible experience because we had all that gravel."
mircea_popescu: now why do i think "all about eve";s margo is drawn after bankhead ?
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assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00064207 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: In 1933, Bankhead nearly died following a five-hour emergency hysterectomy due to venereal disease. Only 70 pounds (32 kg) when she left the hospital, she stoically said to her doctor, "Don't think this has taught me a lesson!"
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atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 239819.71 in 1739 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -87.23
punkman: fluffypony: how much paperwork did it take?
punkman: also, is their exchange any good?
fluffypony: not much, normal exchange verification stuff
fluffypony: plus they posted me a letter with a code to confirm my address on file
fluffypony: it seems decent - based out of Hong Kong, so that's their primary market
fluffypony: the cards are backed by a bank in Poland
punkman: interesting "When a buy or sell order is submitted, the ANXBTC platform receives matching orders from an extensive number of buyers and sellers who have registered as part of the ANX Open Dealer Network. "
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00063931 = 9.7175 BTC [-] {2}
RagnarDanneskjol: ANX is good people. I know them personally. I'm pissed someone else got their card before me
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wywialm: fluffypony, is there any info on the mBank backing the ANX card?
fluffypony: wywialm: I actually have an account with them from a couple of years back, they're Polish
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00063661 = 11.268 BTC [-] {2}
wywialm: I know that mBank is Polish :) however, is it official that mBank backs this ANX card?
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punkman: think I've seen lots of people resell mbank debit cards
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.293997 = 1.47 BTC [-]
punkman: fluffypony: if you already had an account with them, what's the benefit of the anx card?
fluffypony: punkman: I didn't realise that it was provided by mBank
fluffypony: this was just for fun and to have something lying around that I can load BTC on to and swipe if I really want to
wywialm: the ANX card is not anonymous, is it?
fluffypony: wywialm you have to verify your account with ANX
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00064335 = 5.4041 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00063631 = 6.4904 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.293998 = 0.882 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: What brings you round these parts. (apologies If I've asked before, I drink)
gernika: Ah. Well, I'm interested in bitcoin. Been reading the logs for a few weeks now.
atcbot: No data returned from CoinMiner.net
atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 718.23 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.26 TH/s
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 240385.82 in 1737 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -87.20
atcbot: 1 hour 0 minutes and 15 seconds
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 175 Ask: 221 Last Price: 170 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A
gribble: Time since last block: 41 minutes and 14 seconds
BingoBoingo: Still stuck in that post dump price standoff
nubbins`: woo, i've got enough aeroplan points for two round-trip tickets anywhere in north america
thestringpuller: nubbins`: the designer will email you with a signed message
nubbins`: tyvm for the pre-announcement 8)
pankkake: ;;gettrust thestringpuller nubbins`
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1212 @ 0.00083001 = 1.006 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00063564 = 4.8309 BTC [-]
assbot: Bitcoin exchange price
thestringpuller: old mining hardware that becomes worthless to run as diff goes up
thestringpuller: or would their be a way to recycle the components in some kinda "liquidation event"?
kakobrekla: yeah, you can liquidate it by throwing it in hot magma
jborkl: mine is in the closet, the fpgas retained value since they could be retasked
jborkl: but current gen i think trash
thestringpuller: I was just wondering because I used to do IT for a company that would buy large amounts of old CPU's, and sell them to recyclers who would extract precious metals from them.
jborkl: I am not sure on that one 100%, I don't think there is anything worth it
jborkl: but I do not really know, just looking at the ones under my desk and they look like trash
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.0006385 = 14.1747 BTC [+]
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ben_vulpes: <BlueMeanie4> some of these bitcoin people are reminiscint of the french revolution. for a few weeks they thought they could completely redesign the whole universe. << that party did rewrite the rules, and bitcoin'll do the same.
pankkake: uh, if Bitcoin is the French revolution, I'm out
artifexd: ;;later tell mike_c Any thoughts on why S.MPOE has fallen off a cliff?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6945 @ 0.00064287 = 4.4647 BTC [+]
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
pankkake: was that expensive or did no one think about buying those?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5766 @ 0.00064264 = 3.7055 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.58037915 BTC to 14`987 shares, 10545 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 2.54147348 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 221 satoshi per share
TomServo: nubbins`: Mind mentioning how/where you found it?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9089 @ 0.00063564 = 5.7773 BTC [-]
nubbins`: TomServo, got it from another collector :D
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00062893 / 0.00063654 / 0.00064393 (694057 shares, 441.80 BTC), 7D: 0.00062821 / 0.00065564 / 0.00070855 (4324841 shares, 2,835.54 BTC), 30D: 0.00062821 / 0.0007684 / 0.00094217 (18819481 shares, 14,460.91 BTC)
Kamuela: do you folks have a favorite crypto market?
TheNewDeal: I was reading an article the other day that the founder/owner created it after helping mark karpeles run mt gox
Kamuela: trying to open chrome on mint... and nothing happens. it's like trying to start a car with a dead battery
Kamuela: I read the article on nakamotoinstitute that mentioned this channel
Kamuela: got me all hoo-rah'd and so here I am
Kamuela: did I probably butcher the real name? lol let me try to get the link. give me a moment to delete my chrome profile...
assbot: Satoshi Nakamoto Institute
TomServo: Kamuela: But which article references b-a?
Kamuela: I'm trying to fix chrome so I can show you lol, the process refuses to die
assbot: GPG Contracts | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute
assbot: Bitcoin: Killer of Nietzschean Nihilism | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute
Duffer1: looks like he was credited, but i can't tell what the website is supposed to be
pankkake: they're credited and were asked
TheNewDeal: website is just a blog aggregator it looks like, also add in some "reading materials"
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Kamuela: TheNewDeal: is it? i was under the impression mempool was all original articles
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Kamuela: extremely exuberant pro-Bitcoin original articles lol
TheNewDeal: what do you mean by original articles?
TheNewDeal: about 3/4 of them are written by two of the site "Director of Research" or "Treasurer"
Kamuela: TheNewDeal: we may be talking about two different things
assbot: The Memory Pool | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute
Kamuela: ah yeah, same here. you said blog aggregator though, which is why i said that it seemed they were original articles, which they are, right?
Kamuela: not saying they're more than essays though or that the main focus of that area is lots of content
TheNewDeal: I was wondering what you considered an "original article"
Kamuela: content that wasn't republished from somewhere else. am i totally wrong? do all those cite their original sources?
Kamuela: figured they were born on the site
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pankkake: some of them were first published there yes
TheNewDeal: the only article not written by the two site people is the one from pete_d
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> it seems decent - based out of Hong Kong, so that's their primary market the cards are backed by a bank in Poland << so weirdly contradictory.
fluffypony: so it doesn't really matter who issues them :)
mircea_popescu: interesting "When a buy or sell order is submitted, the ANXBTC platform receives matching orders from an extensive number of buyers and sellers who have registered as part of the ANX Open Dealer Network. " << "we selftrade. deal with it"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: What brings you round these parts. (apologies If I've asked before, I drink) << i'm stealin gthis one.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: tyvm for the pre-announcement 8) << it's out of this world how the guy does things innit.
mircea_popescu: it's almost as if he spent too long working in some large corp and it... changed him.
nubbins`: one of the reasons why i got out while i still could
nubbins`: "jon, you're drowning this man in information" "oh fuck, you're right"
assbot: The Times January 3 2009 - Imgur
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: yeah, you can liquidate it by throwing it in hot magma << if you can throw things into it (-> air exposed) it's probably not hot enough to liquidate Si.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: what a waste of silicon with such a limited lifespan.... << one of the more abundant elements and what sand is made out of. i never thought i'd see one feel sorry ~for silicon~
mircea_popescu: pankkake: uh, if Bitcoin is the French revolution, I'm out << the discussion was to amplitude. it is just as large an event. as i say there, it just happens to be going the other way, that's all.
mircea_popescu: Duffer1: looks like he was credited, but i can't tell what the website is supposed to be << best i can determine, it's aiming to be a b-a without the ba, predicated on the theory that you can somehow have ideologically neutral sources of power.
mircea_popescu: this is a lulzy proposition, but too complex a point to try and explain it. cheaper to just let people try and pick up the pieces later.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10451 @ 0.0006015 = 6.2863 BTC [-] {21}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7014 @ 0.0006 = 4.2084 BTC [-] {4}
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: re: irc - perhaps the conformal servers?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 83 @ 0.01166 = 0.9678 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69598 @ 0.0006433 = 44.7724 BTC [+] {3}
kakobrekla: if you can throw things into it (-> air exposed) < that is your ASSumption . i didnt say lava.
nubbins`: although this does bring us to the question of how you can throw things into magma
nubbins`: suppose the molten rock is rising to the top of the cone, but has not yet reached it
kakobrekla: yeah mp, we totaly pwnd you. next time just say lol!
kakobrekla: that is not even the point for a while now.
nubbins`: meantime, your 5 posters should be printed and mailed out within the next week or so
Kamuela: i'm trying to figure out the best way to crowdfund a bitcoin project. i really want to give equity and profit-sharing because i think anything else is BS
Kamuela: briefly, a bitcoin work market a la odesk. development team ready
Kamuela: kakobrekla: MVP development
Kamuela: I'm in talks with differential to do it in the meteor framework
assbot: Differential | We Build Big Ideas
kakobrekla: so you wanna be the ceo and pay someone to code something up?
Kamuela: i could attempt to develop it myself, but my skills there are really crap. i have designs and nearing full use cases for the MVP
thestringpuller: so you come to us #b-a this the day of our daughter's wedding
Kamuela: i'd like to keep it within bitcoin's community and equity based because everything else is a crock of sh** honestly. it's not fair to give people merchandise and coupons for something that's going to generate revenue
kakobrekla: ok so who are you and what makes you think you are theoretically capable of running such a thing?
Kamuela: and for it to be truly competitive to something like odesk, it will need to be flexible enough to establish itself in an overseas jurisdiction only when completely necessary. meaning dealing in USD first and setting up a bank account makes it legally complex from the getgo
Kamuela: someone who shares the interests of many for a Bitcoin work market, a go-to for both supplemental and potentially off-grid lifestyles
Kamuela: why am i the one? because i'm committed to keeping it useful for people as far as it can be taken. i'm not looking to grow and sell out. my interests are aligned with keeping it one of the most decentralized ways to act in the BTC economy
Kamuela: initially it isn't, it's a single-server application. but ultimately i will seek to develop many methods of access via alternate and distributed networks
Kamuela: the technology isn't decentralized first, but the idea that anyone can offer services and receive Bitcoin as compensation is the most decentralized of all exchanges, imo
Kamuela: you're always subject to a bank at a cash exchange
Kamuela: you also need to solve the problem of "what is Bitcoin useful for"
assbot: trixisowned comments on With the mtgox fiasco being long forgotten, Mark Karpeles launches a new business, "forever.net" selling VPS, VoIP & dedicated servers: bitcoin is NOT accepted.
Kamuela: speculating? that's it? one of the biggest uses of currency is in transaction and the building of capital. we have some stock markets and that's great and will continue to grow along with 2.0 uses, but as a currency it needs to facilitate real trade
Kamuela: the superniche initial target market are just Bitcoin supporters and enthusiasts, but ultimately it can compete with something like odesk by undercutting its fees especially as in many places getting into Bitcoin is getting ridiculously easy, meaning obtaining it
Kamuela: getting out is a bit harder, but something the initial contractors will shoulder voluntarily
Kamuela: who should I be? as a serious question
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Kamuela: are linkedin profiles not public?
assbot: Kamuela Franco | LinkedIn
gribble: moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 1 day, 7 hours, 10 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <moiety> manuls for all! :]
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
kakobrekla: (fyi i send everyone there, even ninjashogun - bad cases get slaughtered sooner or later)
assbot: Idealism Personified - KamuelaFranco.com
Kamuela: kakobrekla: thank you, man, for both the voice and that
Kamuela: kakobrekla: it was me, but i've had that domain for years and years (previously) and some of the older stuff definitely reflects being 11 years old!
kakobrekla: TheNewDeal she left for undetermined amounts of t-matter.
assbot: Logged on 10-08-2014 11:09:36; moiety: I really didn't know what to say yesterday but I've had time to think now. I will leave the phone line on for the remainder of the term when I can and update the blog but I won't be able to be on IRC. Since I won't be on IRC anymore, if there is anything I should really know, please leave a message on skype or the blog. The reasons being, this isn't working out for me and I need to focus on working to keep
kakobrekla: it sez right there, Logged on 10-08-2014 11:09:36
TomServo: I mean assbot quoting the actual log entry
BingoBoingo: Guess who just had the Feds knock on their door!
BingoBoingo: Nah, Just let them in on all of my nothing I knew about a connection they suspected between DBordello's BTCPack and The Silk Road
BingoBoingo: Nope, we stood in the front yard and talked
BingoBoingo: I tried to explain the stupid Devcoin thing I used to get Bitcoins.
Duffer1: did they ask about your own bitcoin holdings?
BingoBoingo: It was all TSR and possible connections between it and BTCPak
Duffer1: yea never heard of that one
BingoBoingo: It was a site, you send Bitcoin they sent prepaid reload codes.
BingoBoingo: At the time CoinBase wasn't a thing I'd heard of
Duffer1: i wonder what makes them believe there's a connection
BingoBoingo: It was an Pasty Irish FBI agent who didn't want to stand in the sun and a Treasury agent
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: They said because it looks so anonymous.
BingoBoingo is thankful he managed to avoid the whole Silk Road thing.
Duffer1: american enforcement mentality
Duffer1: black guy in hoody in winter? lets search him
BingoBoingo: Hi Agent Broachwala and/or your colleagues!
BingoBoingo: Seriously the kept saying suggesting everything in the Bitcoin was shady Tor related stuff.
TheNewDeal: if we can't trace it exactly... it's gotta be underground
assbot: Overstock.com: Prolly not a scam | Bingo Blog
TheNewDeal: did they give you a decent exchange rate
Duffer1: i bought a handmade spalted mable/bubinga keepsake box for bitcoin on saturday
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: BTCPak was kind of a Gyp, but at the time it was the only thing that really.... Seemed reliable
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BingoBoingo: The seemed so fucking incredulous that I with my unkempt hair and beard, could have somehow not used the silk road
TheNewDeal: it's true, all unkempt hair & bearders at one time used the silk road
BingoBoingo did not spot where they had a actually parked their Gasenwagen
BingoBoingo: These agents apparently came all the way down from fucking Peoria, the one's card says.
BingoBoingo: ARE THERE NO FBI OR TREASURY AGENTS IN ST LOUIS.
BingoBoingo: They were prolly so insistent because it would suck to be them and drive all of the way down here to meet with a person as boring as myself.
BingoBoingo: I'm like if you want to talk shady sports betting sites that ran with user money... I know a couple. Fucking bitcoinsports.eu
mike_c_on_the_ro: mod6:;;later tell mike_c need help with WoL << what can I do you for?
ben_vulpes: <gribble> Rating entry successful. Your rating for user danielpbarron has changed from 8 to -1. << now that's nuts. 8 to -1? you people need to move more slowly with your ratings.
gribble: mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 45 minutes and 40 seconds ago: <mod6> ;;seen moiety
mod6: heh, no worries. just a heads up from this weekend.
BingoBoingo: The shitty thing about the ordeal on them asking about the goddamned Silk Road I didn't use was their knocking woke me up from my day-slumber
BingoBoingo: So I'm looking like a fucking sweaty unkempt hobo meeting with these guys in the front lawn.
BingoBoingo: Really weird thing was the Agents suggesting that I'd never expect them to find me. I DON"T WORK THAT HARD TO KEEP ANONYMOUS. I just do the minimum to keep poor kids in shitholes from harassing me into giving them money.
BingoBoingo: My impression of them before the badges cam out was they might be process servers come to harass me over student load debt.
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00062893 / 0.00063788 / 0.00064393 (698020 shares, 445.26 BTC), 7D: 0.00062821 / 0.00065441 / 0.00070855 (4353254 shares, 2,848.85 BTC), 30D: 0.00062821 / 0.00076768 / 0.00094217 (18927544 shares, 14,530.40 BTC)
BingoBoingo: mike_c_on_the_ro: Prolly. After I take a shower.
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00064393 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Also Hollywood lied. The FBI agent was wearing a black business suit, but instead a white polo and khakis.
BingoBoingo wonders how much time they will invest in trying to figure out the Devcoin thing
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pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: taleb << asciilifeform of course, who else?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: guy's what, 60 by now ? << born 1960 it seems
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol, you read Kvant ?!?! << who is this man, what sort of devil is he?
assbot: How I was wrong : Cuckolding, or a story about sigmas pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
pete_dushenski: decimation: asciilifeform: "it pattern-matches 'derp' and throws my concentration" << yeah I have the same experience. << you gents need better filters!
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: decimation so taleb's mistake is that he's being a BANAL asshole ? << he does get a lot of the "o this is nothing new" retort
pete_dushenski: xanthyos: ;;rate danielpbarron -1 fickle with his friends, uses the bible to justify being disloyal << o_O drama
mike_c_on_the_ro: mod6: fixed.. going to dig into root cause when I get home. sorry for the hiccup.
assbot: Black Market Cannabis Road Hacked, $100,000 in Bitcoin Lost
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: there is a saying: Loyalty to the End do you know what it means?
jborkl: oh, they were hit by the 1cat burglar
jborkl: not to be mistaken with the 1 ham burglar
jurov: re: melting Si - can't the purified Si monocrystal substrate reused to make another IC? asciilifeform what do you think?
kakobrekla: well, given enough energy everything can be made into anything
thestringpuller: i shouldn't have said specifically Si, but more like the gold and silver also stored in the IC's
pete_dushenski: Kamuela: you also need to solve the problem of "what is Bitcoin useful for" << classic. like SDRs should buy tacos nao
pete_dushenski: Kamuela: why am i the one? because i'm committed to keeping it useful for people as far as it can be taken. i'm not looking to grow and sell out. my interests are aligned with keeping it one of the most decentralized ways to act in the BTC economy << "committed" is in no way a skill as it's here presented any more than a grade school student is committed to not getting an F.
pete_dushenski: Kamuela: not looking to sell out? 1) why not? 2) tough thing to prove
kakobrekla: not too long ago someone pasted how its more about location than your cast.
Kamuela: pete_dushenski: who else is committed? have you heard of another project to do this? i'd be both willing to contribute and cease competitive efforts if you could point me in that direction
Kamuela: and a better question would be: why would I be crowdfunding if i didn't see marginal success somewhere else? it's usually cheaper to get funding within your own circle
Kamuela: far from being combative, i'm looking to understand where you're coming from
Kamuela: it must be that every member of ethereum has a long history of proven success right?
Kamuela: many less tangible projects have gotten ridiculous levels of funding, and i am DOING the legwork to make this happen. so when you ask what qualifies me, well, it's because i'm the guy DOING something
Kamuela: because i'm the guy here asking
Kamuela: yeah maybe it's a bad thing to mention, i don't want to be lumped into that "ether"
BingoBoingo was kind of disappointed that the Feds addressed me by my slave name
TomServo: BingoBoingo: I would've been thrilled if they used Atruk instead of BingoBoingo. :P
assbot: Amazon to buy live-stream gaming site Twitch for $970M - CNET
☟︎ assbot: A Guide To Buying 5000 Ether/Bitcoin, 2.5x More Than Ethereum's Genesis Sale Offers | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
punkman: BingoBoingo: did they say "BingoBoingo" at any point?
ThickAsThieves: twitch accepts bitcoin, so now youll see "Amazon adding Bitcoin" on reddit for 2 days
pete_dushenski: Kamuela: it must be that every member of ethereum has a long history of proven success right? << it must be nothing of the sort and is in fact quite that
punkman: he was going for sarcasm ^
Kamuela: I was indeed being sarcastic
BingoBoingo: TomServo: They asked for my forum name and I gave it to them after some reluctance
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo was kind of disappointed that the Feds addressed me by my slave name << lmao
pete_dushenski: Kamuela: either way, there's really no rush to get your idea off the ground
pete_dushenski: to do it well, you'd be well served to get in the wot and spend the next 6-12 months reading every line of logs and getting to know the people around here
Kamuela: well, I'll ftfy: "either way, there's really no rush for I, pete_dushenski, to help get your idea off the ground"
punkman: Kamuela, having some experience in the matter, I'd recommend against copying the odesks and the elances
Kamuela: punkman: not necessarily your experience, but i mean what are you recommending against in particular
punkman: just take everythign they do, and do it the opposite way
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Kamuela: punkman: lmao, i don't exactly follow
Kamuela: certainly as a competitor to existing odesk businesses, the project will shape itself around the interests of its customers. but what initially or conceptually is wrong with the odesk style?
Kamuela: for example, it seems so far from my interviews that something people really like is the guaranteed payment... something that this project would NOT be offering for at least a while. it certainly would not be part of the MVP
Kamuela: of course that's a bit of laziness on the part of vetting your customer, but i understand that what i call laziness other people call serving needs, which I completely respect the need to do
TomServo: Pff. Schneier says "Matthew Green has a good post on what's wrong with PGP and what should be done about it." (with link of course)
TomServo: First comment: Did you have to fight the urge to call it a "pretty good post"?
punkman: ThickAsThieves: it'd be nice if there was someone playing matchmaker, vetting both sides, guaranteeing whatever he can afford to
Kamuela: and addresses an $80 mil market
Kamuela: with inferior financial technology
ThickAsThieves: "Cops found this wanted Nebraska man after he posted his Ice Bucket Challenge on Facebook."
Kamuela: the first couple thousand users on a Bitcoin-powered odesk are going to be BTC enthusiasts and folks looking to play around, meaning a release valve for pent-up demand for use of coins, and of course a dedicated following of people who want to try to make supplemental or full-time income doing btc freelance work
Kamuela: but after that there's a real competitive advantage to 10% and a couple days turn around time and <10% and 1 hour turnaround
Kamuela: especially when you factor in the fact that a bunch of the initial contractors are going to underprice in an attempt to gain customers, there's a real value proposition to a competing network
Kamuela: and odesk "just accepting Bitcoin" is a bigger deal with any real thought
Kamuela: meaning there's a whole lot of inertia to fight to make that happen
Kamuela: and how are they going to address a cheaper and lower-hassle competitor even with Bitcoin? will they openly say jobs paid in bitcoin are discounted? i don't think they could do that
Kamuela: ThickAsThieves: I don't know about the actual total market, but just odesk takes in $80mm
punkman: there's a few dozens of them
punkman: Kamuela, I think your plan is to make it prettier and with more javascripts?
Kamuela: there's a real potential to help me out in one way or another, but isn't it boring to make words and contribute nothing?
punkman: you can help yourself by reading teh logs
Kamuela: i don't mind the real questions, kakobrekla addressed a serious point of "who are you?" that's a real question that has to be answered
gribble: #21349 Mon Aug 25 13:40:55 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 'What is Bitcoin?' silkscreened art print @ 35 USD (18x24", limited edition of 45 available to public, 4-color silkscreen print on acid-free paper, pre-order price only. Shipping week of August 31.)
Duffer1: b-a are generally firm believers in the Eddy Murphie method of help
Kamuela: Meaning breaking my legs for learning
kakobrekla: Kamuela that linkedin isnt much to go by.
TomServo: nubbins`: Is there a photo or sample of the poster?
Kamuela: kakobrekla: totally agreed
Kamuela: perhaps i'll have to be my own silent partner
nubbins`: TomServo: i'm printing them this week, i do have a digital proof but i'd rather show off pictures of the actual silkscreened version. pics to follow, but you're buying blind if you pre-order ;)
Kamuela: because my connections at differential and the team there represent about 50 years of combined success in MVP's
nubbins`: price will probably be 40-45 once they're all printed, signed, numbered, and pictures taken
Kamuela: so if i found a way to make them shine i'd probably get farther along
TomServo: nubbins`: Cool thanks. I'll wait to see it.
TheNewDeal: nubbins` can you pm me a digital version/
TheNewDeal: I do like your work from what I've seen, but I haven't the slightest clue about this one
nubbins`: [00:13:41] <mircea_popescu> ok this rocks.
nubbins`: he bought 50, he gets a sneak peek ;)
TheNewDeal: if I give you a zip code can you figure out shipping costs?
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: yes, please, I was going to remind you about that. Need to figure out the discount though.
X-Rob: 1xrobauEmhLwVnTmLbs6M92n1xGFAFbgq is the address
nubbins`: TheNewDeal: totally. probably somewhere in the $20-ish range as a guess
mircea_popescu: Kamuela: briefly, a bitcoin work market a la odesk. development team ready << well, the thing is this : we;ve been wanting something like this built for about a year. finding someone to do it is hard, however, and moreover i won't support a would be ceo on op's work. i'd rather deal with the coder guy directly.
nubbins`: TheNewDeal yeah. buy with a friend to save on shipping ;D
mircea_popescu: half the value of b-a is taking the entire layer of would-be ceos out of business completely, as there's nothing really they can usefully contribute.
TheNewDeal: nubbins what would it be for 2+shipping?
nubbins`: no extra cost, it's just paper, so 70+20
nubbins`: framing it locally would be the sensible option
nubbins`: otherwise you're paying to ship a piece of glass across the continent :D
nubbins`: you can even get em plaque-mounted, i've seen people do that
TheNewDeal: how long does that stuff take to ship ya think?
assbot: Game 27 - Death 3686 Life 6314 Year 824 - War of Life
TheNewDeal: did he do it because of my horrible betting in game 26?
Kamuela: mircea_popescu: you seriously just said that?
Kamuela: if you're working with them directly, doesn't that make you CEO?
Kamuela: have you contributed nothing useful?
Kamuela: all you just said was "hey same concept, but let me start it"
mircea_popescu: only in a very distant sort of manner. not in the traditional sense the term is used.
mircea_popescu: Kamuela no, it wasn't "let me start it". it was "let the coder start it, and run it"
Kamuela: mircea_popescu: the coder doesn't want to do that. the coder wants to run a development shop
mircea_popescu: if i wanted to "start it" i'd have started it in 2012. but i don't, because i can't nor should i do everything.
Kamuela: are you anti-capitalist? seems like you're running counter to specialization and trade
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Kamuela: you just want it to be the build crew as well
mircea_popescu: im running counter to some very particular, bad implementations of capitalism.
mircea_popescu: this being a recurring discussion these days it seems.
Kamuela: are you the type who thinks that
Kamuela: Apple would have been a better company without steve jobs
Kamuela: that he contributed nothing
mircea_popescu: but anyway : specialisation is not a good thing just for the mere fact that it's specialisation.
Kamuela: CEO's contribute vision, investor and customer relations, executive decisions, accountability, etc. could all of these things be "in-sourced," sure, and they are in a lot of cases
punkman: "Specialization is for insects"
mircea_popescu: Kamuela you know you're just calling it "vision" to avoid saying "ceo is the guy who wants money for nothing and thinks this wil wash"
mircea_popescu: there's no value in "ideas" and rebranding them as "vision" won't wash.
Kamuela: who says i'm asking for money?
Kamuela: i don't make money on a crowdfund, this is completely development and marketing runway
mircea_popescu: what i'm trying to impart to you is that this "take capital from idiots of type A and labour from idiots of type B" that silicon valley was built upon is dead in the water.
TheNewDeal: but MP, don't you remember the cyperpunks thought up PGP before it was implemented?!?!
TheNewDeal: they had the power to think, and not do
mircea_popescu: and that means the only way you'll be able to give them a worse deal is for as long as this elephant in the room stays secret.
nubbins`: TheNewDeal: about a week-ish to ship
Kamuela: the thing is, if it were easy for builders and maintainers to be owners and operators, it'd be the rule instead of the exception
Kamuela: there isn't some mass scheme of exploitation going on
Kamuela: it's a rational choice between employment and entrepreneurship
mircea_popescu: it only isn't the rule because up until now there didn't exist this chan, and this ideology.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00064572 = 14.5287 BTC [+]
Kamuela: so what will happen in my lifetime, you're saying, is that the profit motive will go away, all marginal cost will go to marginal benefit, and unicorns will come back from extinction
mircea_popescu: Kamuela no. i say that within your lifetime, you'll starve with this model of trying to ceo that i perceive you're trying to impl;ement
Kamuela: even if we are all managed by artificial intelligence, that artificial intelligence is still the capitalist
mircea_popescu: much like you'd have starved cca 1920 trying to be a buggy manufacturer.
Kamuela: something for nothing is what drives the world. it's what causes both its prosperity and its problems
mircea_popescu: Kamuela approach it from another angle, perhaps it's more digestible that way. suppose the worker's work was no good. you know this because the code doesn't compile. suppose the capital's no good. you know this because the check bounces.
Kamuela: i understand trying to eliminate that, but i think that will be done through solving information asymmetry rather than through eliminating... ideas?
mircea_popescu: you can'rt ever know this, can you ? that means you're not part of the pie, not adding value.
mircea_popescu: not eliminating ideas, but the brand of "ideas", or whatever it reforms as. this concept that one's personally important for no reason whatsoever.
Kamuela: so... because i want to organize a bunch of people who don't know each other, because i interview potential customers, because i will continue to direct operations of both the MVP and later pivots, I am contributing "nothing?"
mircea_popescu: none of this is to say you personally are a bad guy or anything.
Kamuela: You're getting arbitrary and it's almost disrespectful
Kamuela: you act like i'm just trying to take something to a patent office
Kamuela: i acknowledge i didn't think of it first
Kamuela: and i'm not trying to cash in on that
mircea_popescu: don't get all bristly lol. anyway : there's tools to organize all that, use 'em.
Kamuela: well let's put it this way
Kamuela: in this project, and that's not some kind of a euphemism
Kamuela: i have to manage the programming team every day
Kamuela: for brief positions of over 1700 employees actually yes
mircea_popescu: okay. so you know what an office manger is. sorta like a glorified receptionist, hires the cleanning crew, takes a weekly salary.
Kamuela: you're looking at me and saying that my skill in knowing how to accomplish EVERYTHING involved but simply not DOING everything involved is meaningless
mircea_popescu: i guess i could be the plumber's manager for as long as i stfu and don't go much in the way.
Kamuela: or you live a meaningless life
Kamuela: according to your own logic
mircea_popescu: as far as plumbing is concerned, i'm a negligible entity.
jurov: Kamuela, 90% of freelancer is web scraping and php plodding stuff. You can't combine this model with bitcoin economy, it needs something fundamentally else at this stage.
Kamuela: so if a task requires more than yourself, are you actually saying that hiring someone is being some kind of lazy ass
jborkl: yeah, or you are just me
mircea_popescu: Kamuela no, but you're welcome to that strawman if you wish.
Kamuela: mircea_popescu: how is that a strawman?
Kamuela: and yet having the build done by a team that's better and uses time more effectively than i can
Kamuela: is suddenly wrong in one person's eyes
mircea_popescu: this is like having painted the wall of the unbuilt house innit ?
Kamuela: no, this is like ensuring a house doesn't fall down by having blueprints drawn up before you put the pieces together
mircea_popescu: o you don't mean what is normally meant by design online, ie, drawing up mockups of webpages. do you ?
Kamuela: you're just a little bit of a marxist... that's cool... i mean, i don't prefer it, but you are welcome to your own opinion
mircea_popescu: you designed, as in, software architecture. db models and whatnot. tho you don't code ?
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: I think it's fair, looking at the outage, if you just make it 0.2 rather than 0.22 for this week.
Kamuela: who told you i didn't code?
mircea_popescu: X-Rob im not going to bother with a coupla cents, just make sure the thing stays online.
Kamuela: well another way I'm contributing, I suppose, is moving resources to their highest valued use
Kamuela: and mine may not be foregoing seeking a project's funding by getting into a pseudo-intellectual marxist debate
Kamuela: look, doing for the sake of doing. just expressing. building. being steve wozniak. it's beautiful and i completely agree with you
jurov: what's pseudointellectual in asking you to show the world the MVP before asking anyone anything?
Kamuela: you accuse me of strawman, and what did you just do?
Kamuela: bring up a character assessment based on your perception
Kamuela: at least hold yourself to the same standard
mircea_popescu: Past : simpleminded psychotic. Currently, cult leader.
Kamuela: i apologize for not knowing all the terms, but you are committing the fallacy known as "name-calling"
Kamuela: may be ad hominem, not sure
Kamuela: though i suppose no one agreed this was a debate. you're just talking
Kamuela: contributing, i suppose. although not by your own measure. but by mine for sure
jborkl: mircea- some interesting stats top 10 visits us,ca,hk,nl,au,by,gb,fr,de,ru,cn
Kamuela: you're making me realize, for example, that the road to finish this is an uphill one
BingoBoingo: <Kamuela> may be ad hominem, not sure << Every label sounds like an ad hominem unless you have read and digested the historical context.
jborkl: all the ones from france are probably pankaake
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: I do TRY to keep it online. I just feel bad for that outage. The good news is that in that outage I rebuilt both power distribution boards, so hopefully it shouldn't be needed again.
jborkl: Windows73.3 % Linux14.7 % Macintosh9.5 %
Kamuela: but it's fine because value is subjective and i know that whatever i accomplish or don't accomplish won't need to be arbitrarily defined by you, mircea_popescu
jborkl: Google Chrome53.7 % Firefox35.8 % MS Internet Explorer5.6 %
jborkl: really, it is so great
jborkl: and I get more traffic from Yandex than Bing
jborkl: oh and the Orangecat post did very poor, so maybe I needed a picture of a funny cat
danielpbarron: ;;echo Kamuela, you need to be defined in the WoT in order to accomplish something [eregister]
gribble: Kamuela, you need to be defined in the WoT in order to accomplish something (eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with (1 more message)
jborkl: yes, I got something wrong there
pete_dushenski: "Korean bitcoin exchange Korbit has raised $3 million in Series A funding led by SoftBank Ventures Korea and Pantera Capital, with participation from BAM Ventures, and returning investors Bitcoin Opportunity Corp., Tim Draper, Pietro Dova, and Strong Ventures."
mircea_popescu: they're fucking quotes. the point here being that i comfortably define myself in the terms of the would-be insults various folk tried to tack on over the years. the years of me being and their coming and going. whereas you're stuck aspirationally trying to add labels to yourself. it's a fundamental difference at work.
mircea_popescu: jborkl i think everyone gets more traffic from yandex than bing.
Kamuela: well, I mean you attacked my philosophies, ideas, accomplishments, and character in about 20 nonstop minutes, man. i'm sorry i didn't pass another test of yours by remaining fully collected...
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BingoBoingo: Well, it's submitted, have to hope it gets votes
assbot: Logged on 30-09-2013 19:34:06; zhenhua_wang: mircea_popescu: you are simple minded. sorry but your are a psychopathic
jborkl: dont worry Coindesk will puke up your post in about 5 minutes
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo was btcpak the guy what's his name shrem was helping circumvent his aml or different guy ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Totally different guy. As far as I can tell he only ever bought Bitcoins
gribble: dbordello was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 41 weeks, 6 days, 19 hours, 47 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <DBordello> I agree
TheNewDeal: btcpak guy only purchased bitcoins huh?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 89 @ 0.00916324 = 0.8155 BTC [-] {5}
jborkl: mircea_popescu> jborkl no, that's someone else phishing as them. ? who is that? I had someone email me from a service content runner, but I can write my own shitty stories full of typos
mircea_popescu: earlier they sent an email spam blast which "wasn't them"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 95 @ 0.01063998 = 1.0108 BTC [+] {6}
mircea_popescu: o look at this, so there's apparently a tv miniseries called roots built around delivering hot black male nudes in bondage ot the average housewife.
jborkl: 31745226.73248134 <- big fee
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "That think I've avoided and wrote about on this blog before. " << you hate the gspot or something ?
mircea_popescu: abathingape: kekeke << lulz. well, at least fatso had vision neh
mircea_popescu: Kamuela if you care, this is intensely dissonant : "Who Is Kamuela Franco? Kamuela Franco is perhaps the most intensely freedom-loving individual you will ever meet. If you've found Steve's work helpful, please donate to show your support."
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal is this how you buy assassinations with bitcoin now ?
TheNewDeal: no mp, that's always how I've purchased them
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: still ? << you don't know how this works i take it. they'll be pulling on that thread in 2030. why drop it ?
mircea_popescu: i just sent a ping and * dbordello :No such nick/channel
mircea_popescu: a distinction enjoyed by shockingly few of the early birds.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i never got a druggie vibe off him. i mean who knows, but to me it seems a forced association.
kakobrekla: i wasnt implying druggie but using sr for whatever
mircea_popescu: then again, the sec to this day pretends it got a settlement for s.dice, so...
mircea_popescu: average streetwalker more respectable than any govt agent you pick.
BingoBoingo: The agents got kind fo rude with their insisting I know something, but it wasn't quite Hannibal Lecter "free range rude" rude
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Seriously the kept saying suggesting everything in the Bitcoin was shady Tor related stuff. << well what happens there is that they had a lot of early success just exploiting the geek idiocy. let the kids talk about how cool and anon and w/e it is.
Kamuela: mircea_popescu: you've only pinged me once in the last few moments of time, so i'm asking you both about what you meant by dissonant and what was wrong with that statement
mircea_popescu: sort-of like mentioning partying to a 15yo and letting them spill.
Kamuela: mircea_popescu: also honestly i don't remember what that was in reference to, exactly lmao
Kamuela: oh, i know what you're talking about
mircea_popescu: Duffer1: i bought a handmade spalted mable/bubinga keepsake box for bitcoin on saturday << what the holy shit.
Kamuela: you're talking about my web site, and some copy
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: The seemed so fucking incredulous that I with my unkempt hair and beard, could have somehow not used the silk road << it's not racial profiling if you're white :D
mircea_popescu: 're slowly but surely becoming a fucking liability for your neighbourhood. every other week a new black jeep over there.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo if it's any consolation : while you were out on the lawn in the sun, i was indoors taking refuge from the chilly winter wind here.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> 're slowly but surely becoming a fucking liability for your neighbourhood. every other week a new black jeep over there. << Reason to host conversation in the front yard, so the neighbors can gossip
mircea_popescu: went into one of the largest whorehouses. cordoba and 9 de julio. masquerades as a coffee place.
TheNewDeal: did you know what it was, or were you just looking for ice cream?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Also Hollywood lied. The FBI agent was wearing a black business suit, but instead a white polo and khakis. << crisis, ya kno ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you know the tax office workers here are fucking knockouts too ?
TheNewDeal: if the IRS sends a sexy woman to my door, I'm going to tell her I'm a part of the FBI - female body inspectors
mircea_popescu: what is it about hot women gravitating towards where people get assraped.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: i shouldn't have said specifically Si, but more like the gold and silver also stored in the IC's << gold melting point isn't tinny either.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: watch this fuck up my short... << watch it making exactly no difference.
mircea_popescu: unless you're short on reddit words or something. and even then...
mircea_popescu: punkman: just take everythign they do, and do it the opposite way << word. shit's been run by george, of "every call i ever made was wrong" fame.
TheNewDeal: hears, "Tinny!" , *shrieks* and runs away
mircea_popescu: TomServo: Pff. Schneier says "Matthew Green << are you surprised ? if not, why not :D
mircea_popescu: it must suck to be one of these scum. if being one of the soviet scum is anything to go by... it must suck quite a lot.
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mircea_popescu: Kamuela: because my connections at differential and the team there represent about 50 years of combined success in MVP's << in this vein, the whores i sat down with for my sundae represent about fifty eight miles of combined cock.
mircea_popescu: and that's not counting the back and forth, nor the oral.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00064379 = 3.0902 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> watch it making exactly no difference. /// indeed!
ben_vulpes: <TheNewDeal> hows van ads work? << you sign up and pay bitcoin to run ads on a select group of venues.
mircea_popescu: factoid of the day : Singer Mel Tormé began his professional career singing with the Chico Marx Orchestra.
ben_vulpes: TheNewDeal: are you looking to buy some exposure to a thing?
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
gribble: Nick 'thickasthieves', with hostmask 'ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves', is not identified.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00064379 = 3.6374 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal i'd be much surprised if you manage to get something less than a month old approved for van.
mircea_popescu: And then there's the story that's fraught with disaster -- of balls that got caught, when a chap took a crap, in the woods. And that trap underneath... Oh, I can't bear the thought!
TheNewDeal: are you talking about vanity ads? I was just wondering what it was
gribble: Error: "trust" is not a valid command.
gribble: Nick 'nubbins`', with hostmask 'nubbins`!~leel@stjhnf0157w-142163082159.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.nl.bellaliant.net', is identified as user 'nubbins`', with GPG key id CF2950F23C844002, key fingerprint 5015BD3D0AE659C8B8632F31CF2950F23C844002, and bitcoin address None
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
BingoBoingo: You, know the nice thing about Today's adventure is that at least now I can know that the FBI has a file on me somewhere. just as it has one on Martin Luther King Jr.
TheNewDeal: and you have some good internet exposure before you're body is found floating in the river
TheNewDeal: jp, i dont think the fbi is gonna ax ya
BingoBoingo: Nah, that's what.. What's that Will Smith agency called again...
BingoBoingo wonders if alf has similar close enounters of the gasenwagen kind?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: No, the one from Wild Wild West
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10689 @ 0.00064672 = 6.9128 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: City bus, in Wash. D.C. area. - Imgur
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00064978 = 8.1223 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: "inform on your fellow subjects! it's good for you, and might be for them!"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.00063368 = 0.6337 BTC [-] {10}
ben_vulpes: looks like moiety's alive after all...
gribble: Nick 'moriarty', with hostmask 'moriarty!~test@unaffiliated/moriarty', is not identified.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 5000 @ 0.00056046 = 2.8023 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seems a reasonable approach, all would be gangstas gotta have the gunz.
mircea_popescu: definitely more likely to succeed than "have you seen this 6yo ? $1k reward"
TheNewDeal: ;;rate nubbins` invested in some bitcoin art, waiting for roi :)
gribble: Error: 'invested' is not a valid integer.
TheNewDeal: ;;rate nubbins` 1 invested in some bitcoin art, waiting for roi :)
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user nubbins` has been recorded.
gribble: Time since last block: 21 minutes and 3 seconds
gribble: #21351 Mon Aug 25 19:39:07 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 'What is Bitcoin?' silkscreened art print @ 35 USD (18x24", 5-color silkscreen on white Cougar acid-free paper, limited edition of 50, pre-order price only, shipping week of August 31,
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=756955.0) BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Seems visit was of an inquisitory nature.
BingoBoingo: Maybe they wanted to see how I'd react if still "wild"
BingoBoingo: Also there's that pending county misdemeanor court date later this week
mircea_popescu: why are you still in the us anyway ? not like you got a job or anything ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wasn't aware they actually do the whole nkvd thing. afaik it was just personal cognizance stuff.
BingoBoingo isn't quite ready for long walk to Mexico, but now see reasons to... get ready
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It is jsut dificult to get one
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well soon enough it'll be impossible, and nothing to do with bitcoin.
TheNewDeal: does evorhees ever come online? was wondering how panama worked out for him
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe they hadn't connect my slave name to my real name yet and read the blog where such connections would not make sense.
nubbins`: one of the few places in the world where i feel incredibly uneasy, no matter what
artifexd: nubbins`: Do you still have my mailing address?
nubbins`: all i remember is that i addressed your package to Mr. Art I. Fexd ;D
artifexd: Give me a btc amount for the poster good for the next hour or so
BingoBoingo: I don't think I'll escape by air, I dun want to get MH-17'd like all of those doctors fighting CIA-AIDs did
nubbins`: artifexd: ,,(calc 55/[ticker --last])
TheNewDeal: nubbins` are these going to be limited edition?
nubbins`: i flat-pack them, rolling destroys prints
gribble: evoorhees was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 5 weeks, 4 days, 0 hours, and 32 seconds ago: <evoorhees> I need to go for now, on later
nubbins`: TheNewDeal only 50 are being sold to the general public
nubbins`: depending on sales we may do a second run, but they'll be visibly different (new color scheme) so there's no confusion
artifexd: Lemme know when you are ready for the physical address