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cazalla: mircea_popescu, nothing to report, i am going to get back to it though
mats_cd03: ;;later tell kakobrekla can we get a multiline up? e.g. 18:30:48 <+nubbins`> !up gilgameshugga mius pactr mike_c
dub: its hard being so awesome
dub: not just my cock the actual doing of it
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dub: saved the world again
mats_cd03: was your dong involved in the saving of the world?
dub: not that kind of all nighter
dub: the usual rolling, controlling, hating and operating
dub: holding a whole countries shit down while motherfuckers slipped
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.0007517 = 6.8029 BTC [+]
BlueMeanie4: you should !up me after I see what the subject matter is
assbot: “Homeless hacker” Commander X quits Anonymous, retreats to robot lab | Ars Technica
BlueMeanie4: just goes to show how pathetic some of these anonymous voices actually are in real life
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is one going to "quit" anonymous. not like you can join it.
BlueMeanie4: just sort of conjured up some of my recent experiences with NXT ppl
BlueMeanie4: all these ppl hiding behind anonymity- you really no idea who youre talking to
BlueMeanie4: you could be working on a software project with a serial killer for all you know
mircea_popescu: for all you know, you could be the son of a closeted gay man.
mircea_popescu: actually... im not so sure anyone follows twitter. it's mostly for speaking, that thing.
mats_cd03: there are many young people in america that 'follow twitter'
mircea_popescu: anyway, what's the story here, derp couldn't get a secure cpanel environment in 3 tries ?
mats_cd03: so they can see whatever 140 char blather their favorite personality has to say
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 yeah well, i meant actual people, not anon mass.
mircea_popescu: as far as that goss, they follow the nature channel and advertising for chrissakes.
BlueMeanie4: recently Jeff Garzik pointed out that their distributed object code doesnt match their source code
BlueMeanie4: and then started getting hacked + threats a few days later
assbot: Anonymous Unmasked: Meet Christopher Doyon aka Commander X
mircea_popescu: what's next, the ridiculously impotent attempt of teh usg best and brightest on freenode too ?
mircea_popescu: here's a lol : i've still not changed my nickserv pw. har har.
BlueMeanie4: no not suggesting these two groups of sociopaths are related
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dub: mp linking teaparty blawgs
assbot: Texas man must pay $40.4M for running Bitcoin-based scam | Ars Technica
Duffer1: i'm online so much it's always surprising when i find two day old news
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ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'm always confused by your "copyright and IP lolol" attitude contrasted with the "these contracts are copyright MPEx 20**" lines in the MPEx contracts
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do we really need to rehash the best mobile compute hardware discussion?
ben_vulpes: i'm apparently even more of a pauper than yourself, and must maintain mobile work stations.
nubbins`: my 2008 macbook is still going strong
nubbins`: in fact, i *just* ordered 8gb of ram for it
nubbins`: should be a bit zippier than the current 2
ben_vulpes pays 575 covering deskspace for 6, plus tp, plus pt, plus soap in restrooms, plus ping-pong table
nubbins`: 575 buys you a room on the second floor of my house for one month
ben_vulpes: oh lord if the slumlord were even so competent
ben_vulpes: access to piss tank(s) comes with rent
ben_vulpes: slumlord must be browbeaten into providing and maintaining supplies though
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't derp on atoms any more.
ben_vulpes: but it has 3-phase and concrete floors should any want to derp thusly.
ben_vulpes: natural gas as well, for the localized heating of crank-turners.
ben_vulpes: in re-packing the toolbox today i had a moment of gloom over all the tools i've abandoned over the years.
ben_vulpes: once upon a time i built furnaces, tables, cabinetry, play-vehicles for the e-peen at burning man...
ben_vulpes: (chairs, wafer chucks, unattended production cells...)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48653 @ 0.00075242 = 36.6075 BTC [+] {3}
ben_vulpes: the actual tools i now own are hacksaws, japanese wood saws, various jigs, shitty quick-grip clamps, a stick welder (in the business-partner's garage), a cutoff saw (ibid), and a circular saw (...).
nubbins`: there's no infrastructure for natural gas here so they just burn it all off
ben_vulpes: various squares, tape measures, handheld sanders, an 18v battery drill and two batteries for same.
ben_vulpes: vice grips (3, various sizes), wrenches, socket set, bike manipulation tools
nubbins`: you're a stick welder ahead of my print shop so far
ben_vulpes: for lo, the paupery. we must maintain our own equipment.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'm reduced to that with which i cannot bear to part.
ben_vulpes: but also entirely replaceable anywhere with a 1960s industrial toolchain.
ben_vulpes: can't weld or work metal properly without the grinder.
ben_vulpes: * asciilifeform derps atoms in unheated wooden hovel with 0-phase (extension cord from house...) << i came too close to sacrificing too many valuable human-parts derping on atoms on salary to go back to it.
ben_vulpes: then the rocket folks gave me a tour of the life i could expect derping on the sexiest atom stacks around
ben_vulpes: "hey kid, want to maintain this family of bolts' load certifications through stack reengineering after stack reengineering? live in LA, sacrifice meaningful human contact, operate in remote proximity to large piles of cash and famous people working on other, cooler things?"
ben_vulpes: "oh hey if you want to work on the hot parts, you could also go live in the desert - miles from anything interesting! - how about it? we pay 65K pre-tax."
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> 'never hire man with fewer than seven or greater than nine fingers' shop ? << they were proud to offer the opportunity to sacrifice my parts on the shrine of their stock price
ben_vulpes: options: derp on shitty, non-lethal web stack solving problems for people with "real" businesses in exchange for some nominal amount of cash and the "freedom" to write my own schedule, or drive hours to get to the place with the interesting multiphysics problems and...flourescent-lit workspacen.
ben_vulpes: you also labor under an actual education in what comprises a computer.
xmj: working on 'web stack' is easy enough
xmj: charge more if it's boring.
xmj: how very Roark-y of you, asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: i imagine that i feel about running cables and laying literal pipe the way you feel about returning responses to
http requests.
xmj: that's what makes it so attractive
xmj: sysadmin is digital plumbing.
xmj: plumbing is... plumbing.
nubbins`: just because anyone with a set of arms can do it doesn't mean it's honest
nubbins`: but we need to do the thing faster
ben_vulpes: so i've started bringing in the kind of work i started out seeking. internal applications for companies converting passenger 747s into cargo 747s.
xmj fastforwards asciilifeform to the 21st century.
xmj: please accept that computer systems in this century have as much legitimacy as water systems in the last.
ben_vulpes: operate in the boonies, can't afford and don't want to hire programmers, and so bring me on to do...forms. for enquification of work. in exchange for which i get dollars, and the opportunity to suggest other ways in which to make their businesses run less awkwardly.
xmj: after WW-II was over russia stole german spigots, installing them in russia thinking water would come out of the wall...
nubbins`: ben_vulpes is this what they call "consulting"?
xmj: ..needless to say that failed, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY PLUMBING.
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: who knows what "they" call anything.
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xmj: asciilifeform: with the difference that modern computing "just works"
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xmj: ben_vulpes: why do you do FORMS for a client?
ben_vulpes: it's an abstraction for the sake of discussion, xmj.
nubbins`: 5 cents cheaper than the theatre
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nubbins`: oh god i forgot i used to do shit with forms
ben_vulpes: apple's shit's all about "end user experience"
ben_vulpes: m$ all about preventing developers from thinking
ben_vulpes: i guess i'm into really elaborate masochism
nubbins`: nah man, you have to think plenty
nubbins`: between two major versions of sharepoint server, microsoft rewrote all the APIs and shuffled around all the names, so that what once was called an X is now called a Y, and what was once called a Y is now called a Z
nubbins`: but all the class names remained the same, so to create an instance of Y you'd call createX()
nubbins`: and the best part is that X and Y and Z were extremely common words like "Web" and "Site" but with new, very specific, obtuse definitions
nubbins`: applied as an onion skin over a convoluted permissions-based content management system
ben_vulpes: i'm noping right the fuck out of this conversation.
ben_vulpes: bitcoin-assets is my refuge from the shitty horrible suicide-inducing world of web programming
ben_vulpes: i apologize sincerely for bringing this weep fest in here
nubbins`: don't feel too bad for me, i got out
nubbins`: oh and also ben_vulpes they just emailed me and said it doesn't work in ie7
nubbins`: microsoft infopath: "let's make XSLT even shittier"
nubbins`: this "openbazaar beta 1.0" video is brutal
nubbins`: guy is literally just browsing through items, clicking on them, lamely reading description
nubbins`: "so i guess you could buy a pen if you wanted to..."
nubbins`: he doesn't have anything to say!
TheNewDeal: ;;rate nubbin` 2 sold me a pair of bitcoin silkscreen posters. packaging could have withstood ww3
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TheNewDeal: ;;rate nubbins` 2 sold me a pair of bitcoin silkscreen posters. packaging could have withstood ww3
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nubbins`: don't get too offended, i'm pretty skimpy with my ratings
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nubbins`: ;;rate thestringpuller 1 patron of the arts
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nubbins`: stew meat is tough, unless you stew it
decimation: asciilifeform: re: "emacs aptitude test" << yeah I'm realizing I need to remap everything to become more productive, like a young apprentice ought. It is good to learn the default keybindings in case one needs to use some strange terminal without your own .emacs though -- not a situation where one should expect to be productive
decimation: to the point, though - it's clear that only a crazy person or a fanatic would wear the 'hair shirt' of emacs defaults. why lock yourself in a tiny box when you have the tools to build a mansion?
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moldysnizz: Someday I'll dig out my computer with my chatquack credintals on it. For now, it's moldy.
moldysnizz: Fix'n up an RV I bought a couple of months ago.
moldysnizz: About to get a solar panal set up on the roof. The charge controler came in the other day.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> mircea_popescu: i'm always confused by your "copyright and IP lolol" attitude contrasted with the "these contracts are copyright MPEx 20**" lines in the MPEx contracts << there are some places ip makes sense.
moldysnizz: So, hopefuly someday soon I will be moving it onto my land.
mircea_popescu: * ben_vulpes pays 575 covering deskspace for 6 << not bad deal.
moldysnizz: I might have to put in a driveway first. :P
BingoBoingo: Well, worse things have been required of people by circumstances
mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform derps atoms in unheated wooden hovel with 0-phase (extension cord from house...) << mp lives in land of currently spring. forgets the rest of the world has autumns and shit
assbot: Guy on Motorcycle Looking Forward To Donating his Organs this Year - Medical Satire - GomerBlog
BingoBoingo: “You know I have my whole life ahead of me,” said 22-year-old Jasper. “Just in other people’s bodies.”
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: honest in the sense that water, shit need to run. << the spanish right would disagree.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: trololol... << he's not trolling, he's just new and clinging to it like it's his foreskin or something.
mircea_popescu: decimation: why lock yourself in a tiny box when you have the tools to build a mansion? << because you're a vampire and the casket with your home dirt feels cosiest ?
assbot: How To Discourage a Doctor | The Health Care Blog
BingoBoingo: "For example, make physicians increasingly dependent on complex systems outside their domain of expertise, such as information technology and coding and billing software. Ensure that such systems are very costly, so that solo practitioners and small groups, who naturally cannot afford them, must turn to the hospital. And augment their sense of incompetence by making such systems user-unfriendly and unreliable. Where possible, chan
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is like its sister, "how the hedge fund masquerading as a 'research' university can take control of the professor/researcher"
mircea_popescu: herpy-derp. as if it's avoidable. in a totalitarian regime the state takes control, of everything. until it all goes to shit in a monolithic piece.
assbot: Re: Theory #51 (superior(?) programming languages) - Naggum cll archive
assbot: Re: OT Re: GNU CLISP 2.32 released - Naggum cll archive
mircea_popescu: "Just because someone says he suffers, does not mean he does, and even if he does, that does not mean it is anyone's business. Quite the contrary, a lot of really bad people successfully manipulate others by lying about how they suffer and exploit the natural tendency of better humans to feel compassion for sufferers."
mircea_popescu: this is like saying that heartbleed affected the better ssh implementation.
assbot: Re: O'reilly subjugated to the Lisp juggenaut (well, almost ;-) - Naggum cll archive
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BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Did you also get the nuclear resistant packaging other recipients are reporting?
kakobrekla: actually i decided mid-unwrapping that im going to leave it packaged as it came.
kakobrekla: maybe put the whole roll on the wall if it comes to it.
BingoBoingo: In a few millenia the archeaologist will appreciate that.
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assbot: If you told me last year that I'd be running GIT and beta testing /openbazaar I'd think you were speaking in another language. /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash
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cazalla: danielpbarron, that's julia tourianski
cazalla: seo marketer, anarchist, friend of jeff berwick and amir
☟︎ cazalla: nfi but she has not been here in the past 12 months and she popped up 9 months ago
cazalla: mats_cd03, that's what her linked in says and she runs hydralocalmarketing.com
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25650 @ 0.00075183 = 19.2844 BTC [+] {2}
mats_cd03: i lol at the lack of self-realization that causes such branding
cazalla: someone is pulling her strings
mats_cd03: inquiring minds want to know - is it even possible to do SEO these days? without blackhat methods, that is.
cazalla: dunno, panda/penguin took me out
cazalla: but no, she might be dumb but she popped up almost a year ago with all these videos, from what i've seen and heard from her, she's a puppet for someone else
BingoBoingo: <mats_cd03> inquiring minds want to know - is it even possible to do SEO these days? without blackhat methods, that is. << What do you think /. is?
cazalla: you know when you come across someone that says things that you know are being said on behalf of someone else, that's the feeling i get from her
cazalla: she's done acting before, she's the actor in her videos, nfi who the producer/director is
dub: so her utility ends at compost or some other biomass
nubbins`: kakobrekla:maybe put the whole roll on the wall if it comes to it. <<< good idea, collectors love original packaging
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kakobrekla: nubbins` imma have to open it as my mom wants one
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assbot: KTVA reporter quits on-air, reveals herself as owner of Alaska Cannabis Club - YouTube
assbot: VOCM.COM|Trial Begins Today in Botched Robbery Shooting | Article
nubbins`: "wear a suit, it'll make you look good"
mats_cd03: i discovered a while ago that visual basic 6 was used for a front end on a .mil dish that provided internet connectivity to personnel in the field
nubbins`: i used to work at an insurance company that stored all their client passwords in plaintext
nubbins`: i guess they probably still do
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 88 @ 0.17404592 = 15.316 BTC [+] {9}
nubbins`: response when i brought it up: "we know"
kakobrekla: should be "how else are we gonna tell them their password when they forget it?!"
assbot: Log In - The New York Times
bounce: the password is to stick it in google
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: maybe put the whole roll on the wall if it comes to it. << ahahaha kako got tired of digging
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00075018 = 17.7042 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: does anyone know who this idiot is? << you know, the proof of idiocy is circular reasoning, not disagreement.
mircea_popescu: wtf is with all these people and their identity issues, i can scarcely imagine one's life under this convention. age 0 to 1 week: MaternityInfant ; 1 week to 1 year : DiapersDude ; Age 1 to 3 years : MrChewsalot ; 3 to 7 : FallingoverPerson ; 7 to 10 SillyPuttyPutting ; 10 to 13 OneHairYo
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mircea_popescu: i knew a chick that had named her cat Dog, but at least that was a) funny and b) not the cat's doing. too much pseudo-irony for lyfe.
nubbins`: buddy of mine has a dog named water
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.1749 = 2.0988 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: on the plus side, til there exists a dude named xavier zappa. now that's not a bad name.
mircea_popescu: "I think it funny #mainstreammedia implements paywalls on their websites. They think their gov't content worthy." lmao.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 92 @ 0.14536972 = 13.374 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: oh i totally want to pay something to read how nyt has rewritten the official usg talking points this week.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron oh, the rub is this is some twerp that wanted to have invented "bitcoin independence" except hadn't done their trilema reading and was nonplussed to find a) it's old and b) the people who did it aren't impressed with kids sitting on their ass "changing thr world" through verbiage.
chetty: maybe dog walk hour catches on in usa and nyt can boohoo
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mircea_popescu: chetty i don't think it can because well, that'd require meeting people.
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mircea_popescu: ;;later tell jborkl yeah not a bad plane for the 200k it costs. prolly the best bird that money can buy.
mircea_popescu: she's at that age when merely washing and not eating crap is good enough.
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nubbins`: thestringpuller depends on the person. for me, birth-40
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller bout same that the woman can effectualy become a slave, 16 to 26 or w/e. definitely not past 30, metabolism goes to shit.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i'd like to imagine you don't think 0 yos are hot.
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nubbins`: course not, you're extrapolating
mircea_popescu: i mean i know canucks are weirdos and dogs and everything, but srsly...
nubbins`: fun fact, nurse in the delivery room was like "shit, nubs" and immediately engaged me in intercourse
nubbins`: sexual. it was the third woman i'd slept with.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18507 @ 0.00074664 = 13.8181 BTC [-]
nubbins`: this is my birth we're discussing
nubbins`: jesus, somebody get me a whiteboard marker
jurov: nubbins` then maybe you ought to show the world more than your exquisite torso?
mircea_popescu: he means he was born into one of those conservative environments where they use wet nurses and what the wet nurses do to pacify the young lord that cries/won't sleep is suck his cocklet.
jurov: but he also says it persists to this day ?
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nubbins`: where do you think this name came from?
jurov: btw, it's covered by insurance, too?
mircea_popescu: it occurs to me this conversation is grossly inappropriate for a serious, professional, tech minded channel
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17108 @ 0.00075206 = 12.8662 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the best part of eating cereal is pouring milk over the construction
jurov: as in, directly from udder?
mircea_popescu: justr, the moistening of previously dry matter, that could have survived indefinitely dry.
nubbins`: do they have honey shreddies in argentina?
assbot: Shreddies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
nubbins`: essentially shredded wheat w/ honey baked in
nubbins`: y'see, when people talk about "commonwealth countries", this is the common wealth to which they refer
nubbins`: shreddies, cadbury chocolate, superfluous Us in words, etc
nubbins`: technicality cafe: would you like a seat by the window?
nubbins`: "sure, but only when you put the accent over the e"
mircea_popescu: "do you mean the window made the seat or it allowed the seat ? by as in by picasso or as in by god ?"
mircea_popescu: so how long should a li-ion battery hold its charge without discarching or recharging ? a month ? a year ?
nubbins`: longer than that is probably suspect
mircea_popescu: this is a very interesting sidepoint to the whole electric car thing. a car YOU MUST FIDDLE WITH
mircea_popescu: much like the smartphone revolution is to a large degree, for the anthropologist at least, "the phone you can't forget about"
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller so what do i do, take a laptop battery to the tesla, start it enough to drive to charging station ?
thestringpuller: you'd have to do the same thing for if you put a combustion vehicle in long term storage
thestringpuller: it's always recommended you remove the fuel from the gas tank before putting into storage
thestringpuller: also depending on climate control the starter system could go dead in long term storage of a car
thestringpuller: so you may need to tow the vehicle to a shop to do "wake up from comatose" work on it
thestringpuller: i imagine with a tesla you just bring a single battery with you and drive to chargin station
assbot: Leaving a car unused | AA
mircea_popescu: Fuel matters Petrol will stay fresh in a sealed container for about a year
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mircea_popescu: their only advice is to fill the tank, which is what i knew on the topic too
mircea_popescu: yes gasoline fractionally evaporates, but only in open atmosphere
mircea_popescu: otherwise in a closed tank its own vapor pressure prevents it
thestringpuller: but after long term storage with oil just sitting you would also want to do an immediate oil change
thestringpuller: with carburated vehicles if fuel stays in the carbs is clogs
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thestringpuller: I guess we'll just have to wait an see with the long term storage of tesla's and electric vehicles in general
thestringpuller: maybe someone invents a battery that can hold a charge for a lifetime and it's all moot
nubbins`: yes, certainly a third breast will help her escape unwanted attentions
jurov: there are already solar trickle chargers (obv. they work only outside)
thestringpuller: hmm wireless charging has yet to become a thing even though the tech has existed a century
mircea_popescu: jurov storing a car outside is unlikely to be invented soon
mircea_popescu: "Tridevil has aspirations to be a reality star, and hopes to get a show on MTV." woman does not want to date, because she wants to be on mtv.
mircea_popescu: conceivably she also does not want to eat because she prefers to graze and so on.
jurov: dunno, un teh us, actual cars are cheaper
nubbins`: mp watch the video on the bottom of the article
nubbins`: seems insufferable, you go ahead
mircea_popescu: lol. what's with all the youtube chicks, "hey guise, there is something i want to talk about today"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` honestly, she just sounds desperately in need of guidance.
mircea_popescu: lol "i have all these 18-28 friends and i don't know anyone who is successful"
nubbins`: best part is when she says she's been working since age 15 and now owns a house, car, and motorcycle
nubbins`: "i worked from ages 15-20 and now own a house"
assbot: MIT Students Battle State's Demand for Their Bitcoin Miner's Source Code | WIRED
jurov: placing a js miner = fraud...
mircea_popescu: jurov wait someone wrote an "aggressive" supoena for a github repo ?
jurov: nubbins` dunno "it was never actually functional"
jurov: whole article is a mess
mircea_popescu: kay so going for a meeting. if anyone asks tell 'em i'ma be back in about an hour. laters!
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julia_: my site has been completely fucked up recently
julia_: waiting to hear by from my host.
mircea_popescu: looks like someone in the process of learning php has been editing the wp-comments files.
julia_: so should be resolved soon. feel free to post some hate next week
mircea_popescu: this is part of what im trying to figure out. why is it you think i should hate you again ?
julia_: looks like someone is trying to "fork" reality with assumptions ;)
julia_: he was kind enough to email me so advice
julia_: and I was kind enough to email him some advice :)
mircea_popescu: julia_ is this some kind of you're young and powerless and people just keep kicking you around so you figure everyone's gonna at the very least try or what.
julia_: and maybe you guys would have more fun trolling me to my face instead of drawing conclusions from my linkedin account
mircea_popescu: julia_ that it ? mkay. so outside of being an anarchist hottie, what is it you do ? and what is it you want to do ?
julia_: well this is underwhelming - disappointment sets in
julia_: are you being sincere +mircea_popescu
bounce: ah, you're sure you're not looking for abuse, down the hall?
mircea_popescu: julia_ are you old enough to grok that reference incidentally ?
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julia_: I'm an anti-state propagandist maybe. I want to do what I can to move towards something different. I don't know what I CAN do yet, except learn through experimentation
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julia_: I've only done into the btc black hole 4 months ago, but I don;t think I'll be coming out
julia_: I haven't done seo for years btw...
mircea_popescu: mkay, so what you want to do is get in the wot for one, and come up with something practical to do for the other.
julia_: And I find it odd that people think I'm a puppet. My content would be a lot better if I was...I hope
mircea_popescu: julia_ i wouldn't be too worried about it, half the kids on the internet claimed to be doing seo at some point in their life. it's like being cowboy for the 70s.
julia_: do I want to get in on wot, ..I haven't decided.
julia_: hahahah i hated doing it. but I got my fam business ranked very well so w/e
chetty: nothing ventured julia_ is certainly nothing gained
bounce: you probably should anyway. with a bitcoin address if you're not into the gpg key waving thing
mircea_popescu: chetty more like, if she does next time someone makes a julia_ and starts talking here we can tell if it's her or not
chetty: there you go, being all practical and all
bounce: might as well ask an ircop (found in #freenode) to have nickserv release julia.
julia_: trust. i just dont see myself coming back often enough to bother
mircea_popescu: dude i can scarcely imagine the kingdom of flies this socialmedia internet must be if the first notion in the head of anyone is that they're going to be hated or something.
bounce: for verily, nickserv says: Registered : Sep 05 10:19:56 2012, Last seen : Sep 05 12:14:19 2012
mircea_popescu: julia_ you know this is where bitcoin happens. you're basically saying you'll be part of the extra-new-york counterculture or something
julia_: im just curious what you wanted to achieve with that email mircea
mircea_popescu: i wanted to see if you can do something meaningful or not ready yet.
julia_: is this where bitcoin happens? hmm what a claim. I see it happening elsewhere
julia_: I want to see if I can do something meaningful too. and it's better to do things when you're not ready. or else things will be stale
julia_: ""I believe in doing things too soon. In striking before the iron is hot, in leaping before one has looked, in loving before one has been introduced. Nearly all the great and exciting things in life have been done by men who did them too soon. It was far, far too soon for Columbus to set out on his crazy trip to the New World. The ether was not ready for Beethoven when he began a symphony on a dominant seventh. Shelley,
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: inquiring minds want to know - is it even possible to do SEO these days? without blackhat methods, that is. << trilema ranks for pretty much any noun i deign to use, so yes.
julia_: +cazalla nothing to say to me?
mircea_popescu: (course, shelley talks of men, not necessarily women, but hey, let's gloss)
julia_: well if it's too soon, how can I know? :P I think ideas have to just manifest and find a vehicle. I'd like to be a vehicle for something that can affect change. maybe that will never happen...but process is fun. I've learned a lot...more to come I'm sure. I'm very raw still. so don't assume I think much of myself because I don't in fact that's the only thing that gets to me.
julia_: no- he was saying I was a puppet earlier :P
julia_: yes that's vague, change...
julia_: let me see here...how to phrase it
chetty: well being raw makes it easy for someone with more experience to pull the strings .. worht keepíng an eye out
mircea_popescu: julia_ well there's two specific things there. bitcoiners don't like amir because he's an idiot, and many people don't like berwick after that chile gulch real estate fraud episode. what exactly is your association ?
☟︎ julia_: I think there's generational propaganda, different in every region. but if a minority of people escape the thinking they've been granted by states and the framework of their time, then they can build alternative systems.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: should be "how else are we gonna tell them their password when they forget it?!" << totally.
julia_: +chetty oh now you're looking out for me? im autonomous. if I have any power, it's in that fact.
bounce: "thinking granted by the state"? o_O?
mircea_popescu: she paradoxically has a point there. a lot of low level / common man thinking happens as a linguistic and paralinguistic construct
julia_: ye, like everything else. people are born into systems thinking they owe those systems something, and they can;t fathom living a different way
chetty: wow, its a general statemant julia_ , I keep my eyes open too, lot of would be puppet masters out there
mircea_popescu: chetty really ?! i'd have thought there's not even a dozen that can be bothered.
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ben_vulpes: julia_: since you're falling down the black hole, have you dabbled in GPG yet?
chetty: well I didnt say good ones, mircea_popescu
bounce: yeah hm. AFAIK often enough not wilful propaganda. though there's states with lots of that too, of course.
bounce: more like prevailing strains of thought, like how n/w yurp education systems are typically filled with left-leaning do-gooders and the material reflects that
julia_: is that what u mean? encryption
ben_vulpes: julia_: can you encrypt and decrypt arbitrary strings with that or just emails?
bounce: lack of a central steering committee with clear agenda
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller no because people are born in systems etc.
julia_: mailvelope is strictly a gmail addon i believe
mircea_popescu: julia_ look, they're both gimmicks. gpg is the actual core of bitcoin.
bounce: so it more or less arises from prevailing opinions floating around without concious decision to put it in. steering by unthinking.
ben_vulpes: julia_: there's no cost to WoT entry beyond showing up with keys. if you can decrypt a string encrypted to your public key, you can enter the WoT.
mircea_popescu: bounce yeah well, the unintrospected can still be wilful.
bounce: (perhaps the inverse of wilful un-thinking expected from the polit crowd in 1984)
julia_: I'm learning still. if you told me I'd be beta testing open bazaar a few months ago I'd just go wide eyed
ben_vulpes: but if you're stuck with a tool that holds you'll only ever want to en/decrypt emails, you've been sold a load.
ben_vulpes: (and i have an altcoin to sell you too ;P)
julia_: aight link me i'll go head and do it.
bounce: what was it again, there's a few people, among them an activist married couple from texas, that have lots of undue influence in the content of schoolbooks in large parts of the us, because they influence the texas schoolboard with their personal agenda, then that cascades through the system by sheer force of purchase volume
assbot: start [bitcoin assets wiki]
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
julia_: nothing is that difficult. it's only a matter of bothering i find.
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
mircea_popescu: this is wilful infringement of chatlines intellectual propertah
assbot: Cartman Respect My Authoritah - South Park - YouTube
ben_vulpes: what sort of non serious capital oriented blahblah tits etc
bounce: oh, I just copyrighted and trademarked wilful, so now you both owe me fiddy gazzillion dollahs
mircea_popescu: julia_ lemme explain the difference. all usable encryption is based on asymetric keys. this is a keyword you can look up.
mircea_popescu: the bullshit nsa-sponsored solutions, whatever they may be called, do not.
mircea_popescu: this difference is as essential as the difference between linux and running proprietary ms code you can't modify or even read.
ben_vulpes: (julia_: that's a good place to start with creating your own keys and keeping them safe. this is just as important as keeping your btc privkey safe, if not more so.)
julia_: i have a PGP key, that's different ye?
ben_vulpes: the master? the decryption key? the signing key?
mircea_popescu: as long as you use gpg, you're an individual, and can be interacted with as such. as long as you use anything else, including nothing at all, you're not, and whatever you may like to think or claim, can never actually be interacted with as an individual, except if you live in a 1900s reenaction camp where the intenret doesn't exist.
bounce: both should be openpgp format. there might be some differences in algorithms supported, but both should work together well enough.
mircea_popescu: exactly the same thing. pgp is the standard. gpg is the gnu implementation thereof.
julia_: so my pgp sig is what you're talking about?
ben_vulpes: brought her around once upon a time for a reason mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i magically have no recollection of this ?!
julia_: ive had that for a while, i didn;t know this part "pgp is the standard. gpg is the gnu implementation thereof." thanks
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julia_: 5B51 A372 0F49 6281 ACA2 287E 1057 2E34 9297 B40F
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julia_: am I still a puppet? or maybe I'm actually interested in this stuff. hmmmm
mircea_popescu: so now you do ;;eregister [username] [pgp key LONG ID]
julia_: ah right so i did register ages ago?
bounce: ;;gpg info bravetheworld
julia_: mk right - i remember now
bounce: doesn't have a search-by-keyid thingy, does it?
assbot: NickServ allows you to
mircea_popescu: julia_ seems you never did, and you're prolly well advised to register something like juliat or JuliaTourianski or w/e.
bounce: you prefix them with /msg nickserv
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22642 @ 0.00074544 = 16.8783 BTC [+]
bounce: (or you do /query nickserv then take it from there)
mircea_popescu: because it'll save you the chagrin of working for a year as bitcoinpete only to change it later to pete d
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
mats_cd03: 14:14:38 <+mircea_popescu> mats_cd03: inquiring minds want to know - is it even possible to do SEO these days? without blackhat methods, that is. << trilema ranks for pretty much any noun i deign to use, so yes.
mats_cd03: and here i thought SEO was this thing aside from creating content
mircea_popescu: it is, but it's things like not putting a ton of meaningless markup and generally it's "not doing idiotic shit"
mircea_popescu: for most sane individuals most seo should be directly obvious
mircea_popescu: which makes it the direct equivalent of dating advice. something people living in the us need.
JuliaTourianski_: regarding seo, after hummingbird the emphasis on content and new content in particular was raised. sm as well
JuliaTourianski_: i mostly did creative local seo, on page keywords and content rather than paying for off page seo
JuliaTourianski_: hummingbird was one that really hurt off page seo (like paying for links etc) because it made new content vital
mircea_popescu: ahahaha waht are you, 19 ?! last winter was ages ago ?
JuliaTourianski_: i haven;t done any significant seo since then so I don;t follow it now, im sure there have been more updates since
JuliaTourianski_: -NickServ- [juliatourianski@gmail.com] is not a valid email address.
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mircea_popescu: so if silver actually falls under 15 it means the nominal value of the us pound would be like 240 dollars or so ?
mircea_popescu: definitely more practical "survival" coinage than the golden stuff.
The20YearIRCloud: Eh, a roll of silver dollars is pretty portable and decently valuable
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud i dunno where you find your women, but a coupla hundred bucks doesn't buy a month's worth of groceries.
ben_vulpes: they're midwestern groceries. mostly corn syrup.
Duffer1: that's about my food bill per week also
ben_vulpes: no meat, no veg. just foamed corn syrup with 'nutrients'.
mircea_popescu: yeah well. i think stuff is cheap here, but i go through anchoves, artichokes, fresh strawberries etc.
The20YearIRCloud: around here we buy and crush up a few multivitamins + flinstones chewables, and make into the HFCS syrup
mircea_popescu: ohio is landlocked what are you talking about 5 bucks a lb
lobbes: not to mention property values are stupidly cheap in oh
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The20YearIRCloud: Fish markets in columbus, they have fresh fish shipped in via air or same-day freight
The20YearIRCloud: We're less than a day away from the atlantic ocean, only 2 from the pacific
The20YearIRCloud: I can go to columbus and get lobster/crab that was caught less than 36hrs prior to arriving here
bounce: the wonders of cheap fuel
The20YearIRCloud: <12hrs from boat to truck, truck drive from say maine or somewhere is less than 12hrs here to Ohio
mircea_popescu: i had good experiences with just caught lobster in boston.
lobbes: ohio has 'The North Coast'
The20YearIRCloud: It's about 2hrs from me, rent a boat and get all the perch you want for a $25 yearly permit
The20YearIRCloud: My brother-in-law was there in August, spent about 2 hours and caught the limit. He and his friends had 150kg of fish within 3 hours
mircea_popescu: i heard the us fish and wildlife's been spending a lot to repopulate inland waters.
The20YearIRCloud: Lake erie is fantastic, all the great lakes are. What's in trouble are coastal waters as the government has a pretty stupid deal to 'help' fishermen on the coats
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud the moral of the story being something like, "it's the land of the thrifty" down there huh ?
The20YearIRCloud: They all run tax scams - Fish, sell fish tax free, claim no money on taxes and take government bailouts when all possible
The20YearIRCloud: So, by the government's estimates, all fishermen are poor, so they should be free to do whatever they want, and laws are set up to prevent inland fisheries from producing farm-able fish
The20YearIRCloud: Like with that BP oil spill, there were hundreds, maybe thousands of fishermen that were all cash businesses who claimed only $50k on taxes, but in fact were doing $500k-$1m/year just themselves with a boat, and BP only re-embursed them based on what they claimed on taxes
The20YearIRCloud: I think Obama ended up saying they could go up to 3x of claimed taxes, maybe more. But what happened in the end many went under because they had been cheating taxes for 20+ years and it finally caught up with them.
The20YearIRCloud: Those that were honest, or had enough reserve capital to buy more boats and keep themselves through hard times (Katrina & the oil spill) are now doing fantastic
mircea_popescu: this us you speak of sounds more and more argentinian by the minute.
bounce: rejoice while there's still fish. apparently the aswan dam is doing its part in depopulating the mediteranean
ben_vulpes: yeah, except for the terrifying usg war machine.
bounce: been busy for 50 years too
The20YearIRCloud: There's tons of that, people don't understand how big cash business is in the US
mircea_popescu: just, 50 years ago the current interest to make egypt poor didn't quite exist.
The20YearIRCloud: i'd venture to say that 1/4th of all money paid in the US is via a non-taxable, cash event
JuliaTourianski_: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:13b5523f61f36a8137e4701bf2c86fcee94b6a2b5b134299d470cd26
gribble: Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user JuliaTourianski_ with key 10572E349297B40F
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud if that's true, which it could be depending how you define "economy", then the country is a lot more stable than it looks
JuliaTourianski_: look. "Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user JuliaTourianski_"
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud anchovies are eaten matured, which means, salted and kept in extra virgin olive oil for a dozen weeks
The20YearIRCloud: US is huge ,and hard to understand. The economy of my state alone is extraordinarily complex
gribble: Nick 'ben_vulpes', with hostmask 'ben_vulpes!~user@unaffiliated/benkay', is identified as user 'ben_vulpes', with GPG key id 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA, key fingerprint 4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA, and bitcoin address None
gribble: Nick 'JuliaTourianski_', with hostmask 'JuliaTourianski_!1896e2e7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.150.226.231', is identified as user 'JuliaTourianski_', with GPG key id 10572E349297B40F, key fingerprint 5B51A3720F496281ACA2287E10572E349297B40F, and bitcoin address None
bounce: what's with the _ though?
Dimsler: bitcoin magazine editor from toronto?
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user JuliaTourianski_ has been recorded.
The20YearIRCloud: It's amazing how quickly we came out of a $1 billion dollar/year budget deficit to having a $2b surplus and cash in the bank
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ now you can identify with gribble and self-voice by pm-ing assbot !up
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user JuliaTourianski_ has changed from 1 to 1.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user JuliaTourianski_ has been recorded.
gribble: Error: 'why' is not a valid integer.
Dimsler: what brings Julia to this channel?
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mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes tried to do it but he FAILED because he SUCKS. whereas daniel inadvertently managed.
Dimsler: lol the toronto bitcoin meets are so damned bad
Dimsler: its a marathon of misinformation and greed
The20YearIRCloud: I'd like to try some of the imported anchovies you're eating, compared to our welfare-state anchovies here
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Dimsler: i lately have been snatching up san marzano tomatoes
Dimsler: i swear you can't do it otherwise
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mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ type /query assbot then in the window so opened type !up
Dimsler: i gotta get out of toronto, getting cabin fever over here
Dimsler: not sure if i can last another winter
Dimsler: didn't the isle of man one just finish?
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Dimsler: mircea_popescu, did ukraine in the summer
Dimsler: was in khrakov when they shot the mayor
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ seriously up yourself so you know you can do it.
Dimsler: but i snagged up a condo for $5kusd
Dimsler: mmm cheap war torn realestate
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Dimsler: mircea_popescu, you read dough casey?
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JuliaTourianski_: yup, i just did it :) ahah pm'ing myself felt counter intuitive
The20YearIRCloud: I don't hear many good things from guys i've known who have gone to romania. (Specifically comments about money/economics)
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ so now that you're all set up into personhood, come up with something to do so that the almighty powers of the b-a can support you
Dimsler: i absolutely love eastern europe
Dimsler: spent the rest of my time in budapest
The20YearIRCloud: I have a friend in bulgaria, he has some pretty cool things going on
Dimsler: mircea_popescu, LOL beat me to it
Dimsler: neg, i stay away from the toronto bitcoin nerds
The20YearIRCloud: i'd like to go to the toronto bitcoin conference next time it's around. That way I can say i've been in a foreign country before :D
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, ah then we have PLENTY in common
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud canada is not foreign and barely a country :D
Dimsler: the toronto conference was a regurgitation of miami
Dimsler: some of the bets btc meets i've had was in NYC
Dimsler: because you get alot of finance guys involved
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Dimsler: will i have to send my assistant instead?
Dimsler: last time had a blast in nyc at the btc conference
Dimsler: ended up walking around manhattan at like 4am
JuliaTourianski_: ;;bcregister JuliaTourianski_ 1zPxLJWtrR8nhJEZWXrHWTu47r7LgJaMG
gribble: Error: Username already registered. Try a different username.
Dimsler: mircea_popescu, hahaha that episode is a classic
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ there's a special command to add an address if the acct is reg'd already
Dimsler: mircea_popescu, i'll fly out to argentina for that conference
Dimsler: mircea_popescu, is it failry anon?
gribble: (changeaddress <bitcoinaddress>) -- Changes your registered address to <bitcoinaddress>. You will be given a random passphrase to sign with your new address, and submit to the bot with the 'bcverify' command. You must be authenticated in order to use this command.
mircea_popescu: Dimsler how'd this go "hello everyone, pleased to meet you, i'm <snipped>" ? who are you meeting then.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you said we don't have to register we can just show up
Dimsler: no i understand what you mean
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bounce: yes why doesn't gribble support s-expressions?!?
Dimsler: are you the brave the world chick?
bounce: gribble is a bit stupid and nanotube won't change the confused wording there. yes I asked. oh well.
bounce: you sign it with the bitcoin client, then feed the signature to bcverify
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RagnarDanneskjol: fyi julia - you can send all these messages to gribble in pm for future ref
Dimsler: i gotta get out my original wallet
RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu - do you want chris to do anything else with the pool - he was looking for guidance?
mircea_popescu: srsly. you know you're being outdone by a noob girl over here.
Dimsler: i have this thing linked to my originalest wallet ever
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol notrly for now, needs some time to run
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, theres only like 1-2 a year worth going to
Dimsler: the rest of them are just right back to introductionary speaches and covering the same topic a million times
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ you know i'm still looking for a mpex mascot.
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, have you done nyc?
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JuliaTourianski_: im mostly going to meet up with P byrne to be honest...not the gambling at all
JuliaTourianski_: I tend to go for the people not the conference..i maybe listen to 1 speech usually
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mircea_popescu: The South-Western Bathhouse Local family business in Mississauga, Ontario << is this the canadian equivalent of the mystical massage parlour ?
Dimsler: nyc or argentina to meet good ol mircea in person
Dimsler: mircea_popescu, i do the russian bathhouse in york
Dimsler: good steam does the body good
kakobrekla: whats with the name calling, is it better if i call it MKLF next time?
Dimsler: mircea_popescu, lol oh common
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, which one?
Dimsler: how does this place compare to the one in york?
The20YearIRCloud: cleveland has a pretty big russian population compared to columbus though
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, what do you get for clients?
Dimsler: the york one is nothing but gangsters and shadyness
Dimsler: which is entertaining as hell
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud yeah but probably easier to break into the market on the novelty angle.
mircea_popescu: a settled russian population either has its own and won't use yours or does without and won't use yours.
The20YearIRCloud: Granted what I want here/columbus is a nice steakhouse that gets their meat locally, rather than from China or 500mi aways
Dimsler: my russians been getting worse and worse
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler started out mostly russians, then I did my seo/marketing magic and now it's 60% canadians 40% russians
Dimsler: they taught us russian in school
Dimsler: probably some of the most realistic attitudes
Dimsler: so the polish girls can drink too
Dimsler: but too westernized and complacant
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Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, will defeintly check this place out
The20YearIRCloud: maybe you can get a glorious discount if paid in bitcoins/litecoins
JuliaTourianski_: +The20YearIRCloud my dad refuses. he used to charge only 9 bucks for hand made sausages + sides that no one could finish cuz the portion was so large
Dimsler: the food menu looks delicious
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler ty all home made, original recipes, feature in savour mag :)
Dimsler: next time i'm in missy i'm goign to check this out
JuliaTourianski_: +The20YearIRCloud my parents run it, I manage it and do all the marketing/sm/website I make the cake and do the drinks, manage the beer etc.
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud they're total sluts. polenta ? romanian traditional dish, according to romanians. sarmali ? check. baklava ? check. blinyi ? check. etc.
bounce: "manage the beer". sounds like a heady job, eh.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 Manages the beer for a family owned Russian bathouse with handmage sausages in Mississauga.
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Dimsler: well everyone stole pączki from us
mircea_popescu: that means like supertraditional we invented it foodstuffs.
Dimsler: i have lots of romanian friends
The20YearIRCloud: the nice thing about the US is the variety of ethnic foods we get
Dimsler: The20YearIRCloud, for once, i'd like to sit down and have a real steak or chicago style pizza anywhere in europe
Dimsler: i would do the btc vegas conference just to eat at carnevino
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mthreat: i once saw a "Texan" restaurant in belgium. The menu looked nothing like any food I'd ever seen in Texas.
The20YearIRCloud: part of it is texmex, the other is beef-oriented American with most of it trending towards BBQ
mthreat: mircea_popescu: good question, there are several kinds of popular food... tex-mex, bbq, mexican, etc
mircea_popescu: i spent some time in mexico, loved the food, but didn't impress me as being specific in any wya.
mthreat: but in general, it seems like ethnic food gets worse the further away it gets from the origin. I;m sure there are exceptions,
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ i killed some derp and they got pissy.
Dimsler: not sure why you bothered with that form of clownery
X-Rob: I've been watching 'Miranda' over the weekend. It's amazingly hilarious. English show, has three seasons of 6 episodes each.
mircea_popescu: Dimsler because like five or so years ago some chicks i was hanging with all made one and kept pestering me.
X-Rob: Highly Recommended.
jurov: i once tried taco bell in.. canada. not a fond memory.
mircea_popescu: then they broke the interface, i took a break, forgot about it, then rediscovered it after a coupla years and reused it for i dunno, a few months
mircea_popescu: romanians are very particular about no bleeding assholes.
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Duffer1: i'd be curious to see how small a fraction of their total holdings that is
The20YearIRCloud: It's not a huge number from what i read the other day, like $50m
The20YearIRCloud: No , that was their energy holdings or estimated investment in renewables
mircea_popescu: "The philanthropic organisation was founded in 1940 by the sons of John D Rockefeller. As of 31 July 2014, the fund's investment assets were worth $860 million."
The20YearIRCloud: From what i had read, only a specific branch of their total investment fund was going to go to clean energy, and it was a low number
mircea_popescu: i have nfi if the people involved can rightly represent the impact of some millions in what's being discussed.
The20YearIRCloud: The actual fund they have (The $50b) fund has made no commitmenets to any sort of renewable energy investments
bounce: who's going to buy those $50e9 of fossil fuel assets? also, tin foil hat time: apparently they think it's time to get out, so peak oil
Duffer1: the article i read sounded like they plegded a 50b divestment
bounce: guys, add an n to the b if you have to go there.
The20YearIRCloud: Every time i dive into renewable energy numbers I always find a pile of lies
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mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud funny how that works the same for me!
assbot: BBC News - Rockefellers to switch investments to 'clean energy'
mircea_popescu: marketing firms that know nobody's going to jail for al gore's carbon credits mob deal.
bounce: it's going to need a lot of money to beef up the "renewable" tech tho
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mircea_popescu: bounce and not a bad way to spend some money, at that.
The20YearIRCloud: What's $50b out of total worldwide investments of 50 trillion?
The20YearIRCloud: I'm not completely opposed to renewables, but the renewables that actually work aren't the ones that anyone talks about
mircea_popescu: srsly, energy research is not a bad idea nor a bad goal.
The20YearIRCloud: Anyone that talks about photovoltaics and windmills as a answer to anything should be immediately ignored
mircea_popescu: it could do without all the idiotic derpage it's currently wrapped in of course.
mats_cd03: solar works plenty, and it gets lots of talk.
bounce: time to set up a research institute and write some billionaires for research funding, then buy up all the patents and the research groups and make them work together
The20YearIRCloud: And it gets alot of talk that isn't true either. Solar just can't keep up with peak energy demands
mircea_popescu: and windmills work excellently in some very narrow cases. much like hydro.
mats_cd03: lifetime eroi is higher than nuclear iirc (~5x?)
The20YearIRCloud: Hydro is leaps and bounds better than solar or wind, yet many environmentalists hate it
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud hydro only works where you have a river ; wind only works where you have ... the equivalent phenomenon, in the air fluid.
JuliaTourianski_: solar is halving in price quite quickly and getting more and more powerful exponentially...wind is iffy. take a lot to maintain. costly. ugly. kills the eagles :P
mats_cd03: everything that can be dammed already has been, for the most part.
bounce: so what's the exponent? :-p
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ it's not really that exponential. and the price is a minute consideration, the cost is the main point.
mats_cd03: didn't dispute it works. just not interesting.
bounce: dams apparently aren't worth the costs long run, in terms of environmental impact and failure to deliver on the improvement of life for the locals promise
mircea_popescu: well sure, not interesting, that depends on your interests :p
The20YearIRCloud: "interesting" shouldn't be a point of conversation about anything energy related
mats_cd03: its okay, .cn will solve this in three decades
mircea_popescu: the criteria are, energy used to erect, energy delivered after erection.
mircea_popescu: the locals can get fucked, with their hopes aspirations and expectations of "promises"
JuliaTourianski_: once the energy issue is solved (housing, water filtration, food, medicine is all basically there) then maybe fuller will be proven right...and without reliance on gov infrastructure we can escape political systems altogether
mats_cd03: via selling commercial portable fission reactor designs to the rest of the world at a nice markup
JuliaTourianski_: I just did a cool interview with viney gupta on the subject, editing now actually. first time ive been hopeful in a while
The20YearIRCloud: Their lifetime cost even with installation and maintainence costs is under 4c per KWH
The20YearIRCloud: and it reduces total grid costs which can be another 1-2c per KWH that has to be accounted for
The20YearIRCloud: These are the ones that use the thorium fluid, they're between a traditional reactor and a RTG
Duffer1: JuliaTourianski_ on solar or renewables in general?
The20YearIRCloud: The big thing is you don't have to install high power lines, buy easements, hire helicopter crews to fly over lines for obstructions and so on
JuliaTourianski_: +Duffer1 on the entire picture of our future, and how engineering/tech will impact us politically
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JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu no, in relation to how tech will shape it, especially in the "3rd world"
mircea_popescu: "Hello! If you're going to Burning Man, have a great burn, and welcome to our Financial Times readers too." ?
mircea_popescu: ok so basically this is a cheap temporary shelter solution ?
JuliaTourianski_: very cheap. every person in the world can have one without enviro impact. +mircea_popescu
JuliaTourianski_: but it can be made out of things other than plywood for permanent housing
JuliaTourianski_: For hexayurts fabricated from four-by-eight foot sheets of foam or hexacomb cardboard and duct tape, the cost has been estimated at $1,000 each (compared to $30,000 for a FEMA trailer). Hexayurts fabricated from OSB and wooden blocks can cost as little as $250–300.
bounce: how's that? what's the fema paying in "intellectual property" licensing for its trailers then?
The20YearIRCloud: Shelters are easy to build, problem is lack of education/understanding, look at how many die in Africa due to cholera
The20YearIRCloud: One of the groups at my church goes to Africa every few years to teach people how to build basic water filters from sand/rocks/ect and when they do it , they save a immense number of lives due to cholera/disentery
JuliaTourianski_: and thers water filters for 100 bucks that can filter virus and bacteria now
The20YearIRCloud: Sure they can, if they know how to do it, but it's always amazing how many people out there don't understand a dang thing
The20YearIRCloud: You can make a water filter for nothing that filters 99.99% of all contaminants
The20YearIRCloud: Compost toilets are fine, any kind of containment system for sewage is just fine, but half the world doesn't realize that keeping your septic and your water in the same place is a bad thing
bounce: well, nasa has a fix for that
bounce: piffle. HIGH TECHNOLOGY is the way, I'm telling you
ben_vulpes: hexayurts are incredibly poorly engineered.
bounce: like, in-orbit high. anything less just won't do.
The20YearIRCloud: I'm teaching a class on basic mechanics/machines, and it's amazing how many people out there don't understand how anything works
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JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu dont need one, but I'm sure i could. im very handy. wish i was more techy isntead but hey.
ben_vulpes: i mean - did we learn nothing from Buckminster Fuller?
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ well yes but these aren't statements of the same strength. the problem being that the difference between theory and practice is narrower in theory than it is in practice.
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JuliaTourianski_: +ben_vulpes the point is to easily build it. domes are much harder
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ben_vulpes: JuliaTourianski_: you've not bothered to read the link, i gather.
Dimsler: are people going to be living in this shit?
ben_vulpes: The20YearIRCloud: you can use plywood.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i mean separation of panels? lifting of the thing?
Dimsler: you have better chance of convince people into living in shipping containers
Dimsler: aggregates and building materials to build proper shelter is cheap
The20YearIRCloud: Because that dome would essentially be shelter, absolutely no protection from heat or cold
Dimsler: its the man power that is unaffordable
Dimsler: refer to the restoration of Rome
ben_vulpes: jesus it's like engineering never happened around here.
Dimsler: lol nobody is going to live in that.
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The20YearIRCloud: The minimum R value for wall insullation (not ceiling mind you) in the US is now in the area of 25-30
ben_vulpes: The20YearIRCloud: double-shell implies an air insulation layer
Dimsler: in africa theres plenty of access to clay
ben_vulpes: this has heat xfer implications that you've not considered.
The20YearIRCloud: R value of the air insullation isn't going to be that great, maybe 10
The20YearIRCloud: mircea_popescu: and if you had few/no temperature swings it'd be fine
Dimsler: i don't see them smelt plastic and mould injecting domes
The20YearIRCloud: Clay works fine, heck even straw will be better, one US sized bale of straw has a R value of 9-10
ben_vulpes: i really need a pressed shitboard housebox
ben_vulpes: made by a giant corporation in the business of fabbing horrible shitboard boxes
Dimsler: if we are all in agreement
mircea_popescu: from what i gathered here the pro argument was that these take less man-hours to put up than an actual construction.
Dimsler: then who the hell is talking about these idiotic eco homes?
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud cement is actually older than they think.
The20YearIRCloud: It's not cutting edge stuff by any standard whatsoever. So why bother with air layers, straw, high strength plastics?
Dimsler: oh thats Julia girl was talking about it
Dimsler: nobody is going to live in that
The20YearIRCloud: You can teach a bunch of low/no education people how to make bricks in a week or two, and in a month show them how to make a house that will last 50-100 years
mircea_popescu: Dimsler 1k kids for two days of booze and sexting at burning man ?
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud problem is it takes them about a month to build it.
Dimsler: they can buy regular tents?
Dimsler: if south africa has taught us anything during the aparthide
Dimsler: is the white man should just leave the blacks alone
ben_vulpes: or a thing that i can knock together in the middle of nowhere for next to nothing
The20YearIRCloud: And it's not like people in the middle of Africa don't have enough time to build something that's gonna work well
ben_vulpes: see the paupery story for details on other "engineering" criteria missing from the conversation.
The20YearIRCloud: You want to look at affordable, extremely useful housing, look to what the Scots & irish did with their housing in the 1600s from Sod
The20YearIRCloud: Some of those houses would last forever and needed almost no heat during freezing cold winters
JuliaTourianski_: the hexayurt is a solution for emergency housing, refugee camps, and poverty housing. they do protect against extreme temperature changes, hence their use at burning man
mircea_popescu: "After six decades and the expenditure of the equivalent of tens of billions of dollars, the promise of breeder reactors remains largely unfulfilled and efforts to commercialize them have been steadily cut back in most countries"
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, for who?
ben_vulpes: i for one think the burning man use case is hilarious
HeySteve: +The20YearIRCloud> One of the groups at my church goes to Africa every few years to teach people how to build basic water filters from sand/rocks/ect and when they do it , they save a immense number of lives due to cholera/disentery <- cool, here's something else you might be interested in:
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ben_vulpes: "hi i'm subjecting myself to burning man but i want a temperature regulated environment but i can't afford an rv RENTAL"
Dimsler: lol who cares about hipsters at burning man
HeySteve: yeah gonna start using them for fish feed
The20YearIRCloud: We've got a methane reactor on a farm here, doesn't use flies but produces a few KW of continuous power from a milk production
ben_vulpes: one use case that made some modicum of sense was this one dood's fuckpalace, but i was always amused that he couldn't just get down in public at the burn
Dimsler: a cattle sized meat grinder
Dimsler: should be wheeled into burning man
jurov: from what i read about burning man, one needs two tents, the bigger one where you can clean off the salt
jurov: and inside it a small one
jurov: domes/yurts are usable as the bigger one
mircea_popescu: now they can't rape each other on the uni campus, where is the handling supposed to occur ?
ben_vulpes: jurov: if you're cleaning off the dust, you're doing it wrong
ben_vulpes: wet wipes for the crotch is about all one needs.
jurov: you were yourself?
Dimsler: mircea_popescu, well no see, kids are about 16yrs old approx?
Dimsler: if you're 25 acting like a kid
jurov: they wrote "if left on the skin that dust causes burns" - you say BS?
ben_vulpes: "get a house, settle down, give up on fun, otherwise you're a retarded child." << Dimsler
ben_vulpes: jurov: you're missing a duration qualifier there
ben_vulpes: i also suspect that skin oils make a nice little bottom layer
The20YearIRCloud: The big thing about fish feed is that there are a few types that have very, very, very low protein inputs and thrive on waste anyway
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HeySteve: The20YearIRCloud yeah they're building a big facility in fluffypony's neck of the woods to supply animal feed to farmers here
The20YearIRCloud: I'd love to try it here, granted finding the waste input could be difficult outside of animal manure from farms
HeySteve: the larvae harvest themselves by crawling up ramps and away from all the mess
HeySteve: I'm not sure, never kept silkworms
HeySteve: yeah or straight into animal feed troughs even
HeySteve: yeah I know chickens will eat them live and the protein content is high. will try it with fish but maybe they need to be processed for smaller fish
jurov: chicken don't have any prejudice against live worms
jurov: rather the opposite
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The20YearIRCloud: chicken love insects, i know quite a few people that feed almost exclusively scratch (no food)
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HeySteve: you can put the chickens in a cage above the grubs to manage their waste
kakobrekla: not that there anything wrong with that
moldysnizz: heh, not so much. chatquack may have logged some drunkeness. I don't have access to his credintals right now. Desktop is in storage.
The20YearIRCloud: Especially as a dried foodstock, i'm shocked though they estimate value at only $1/lb
Dimsler: ground beef is 40cents /lb
The20YearIRCloud: HeySteve: seems they're 20% efficient at converting waste to protein/feedstock it seems
jurov: you should prolly should IPO it on havelock
The20YearIRCloud: They need 80kg+ to make ~17kg of feed per week. That's a great deal of waste.
jurov: can prolly be crowdsourced
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The20YearIRCloud: 335m tons of manure is produced a year in the US, which would result in 67m tons of BSFL feedstock
The20YearIRCloud: Assuming 100% of all animal waste is used as a food source for them.
HeySteve: better than sending it to landfill I'd say!
HeySteve: a lot of animal feed is fish-based afaik
The20YearIRCloud: Then of that 67m tons of feedstock, animals (Depending on breed) are 15%-20% efficient at taking the BSFL feedstock and converting it to actual on-animal weight
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The20YearIRCloud: So, an extra 13.4m tons of meat per year from recycling the waste through BSFLs.
The20YearIRCloud: Wouldn't be a terrible thing if more places converted, but the problem starts to become that if you free-range animals (Cows and pigs, which are the largest waste producers by far), you can't effectively go out and get that waste
HeySteve: right. you're better off with collecting organic waste from other sources in that case
HeySteve: I've got a restaurant and greengrocer onboard for eg.
The20YearIRCloud: and how many pounds of meat will they produce a month from the BSFL?
HeySteve: and as in that video, sewage will seem to work too
The20YearIRCloud: At 100% of the animal waste produced converted to food, it'll take care of 5% of the total US meat demand
cazalla: JuliaTourianski_ puppet comment leave you a little rustled?
HeySteve: well I know with fish, there's a method which achieves nearly 1:1 feed to weight conversion
jurov: btw, i loved that quip about coffee grounds
HeySteve: so using BSFL and tilapia, that could be done
The20YearIRCloud: because from what I hear you can take raw farm waste (essentially corn silage) and feed it to them
HeySteve: hmm well, they will eat many things but to get good growth they want high protein feed
The20YearIRCloud: The thing with tilapia is that they eat like crazy on just about anything
The20YearIRCloud: the big holdback on tilapia is oxygen concentration. They breed like crazy to the point that they'll kill themselves
HeySteve: right but they only breed above about 28^ centigrade
cazalla: JuliaTourianski_ i was drinking last night but still, that's my impression
HeySteve: and at high concentration, they will prioritise feeding over breeding
HeySteve: but yeah, the more dissolved oxygen you can get the water to carry, the more densely you can stock them
The20YearIRCloud: although here some guys are going to pure oxygen injection in the water
HeySteve: well I am going to test out an impeller system
The20YearIRCloud: That's the more cost effective way to do it i think. I was looking at a 24/7 air compressor
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2014 18:18:35; mircea_popescu: julia_ well there's two specific things there. bitcoiners don't like amir because he's an idiot, and many people don't like berwick after that chile gulch real estate fraud episode. what exactly is your association ?
Dimsler: cazalla, Julia is a novice bitcoiner
HeySteve: yeah a motor to run an impeller with a tube to draw oxygen down to the blades, I believe it will work well
JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla +mircea_popescu didn;t see that sorry- you guys do realize I literally know evryone in the space and am "associated" with everyone, depending on how you look at it.
HeySteve: the turbulence *should* stop it becoming a giant fish blender... might put on some kinda mesh just in case
Dimsler: you're just associated with the mainstream clownery
JuliaTourianski_: if i'm associated with everyone, then who is pulling my strings?
Dimsler: amir taaki and the etherium clowns
JuliaTourianski_: you just dismissed a huge chunk of the btc space based on nothing.
cazalla: JuliaTourianski_ given i've seen a lot of you and paul joseph watson (alex jones puppet), perhaps that is the direction i should start
Dimsler: even went to the bilderberg group
JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla ive been on infowars, keiser, bbc, fox news - so who is it pulling my strings?
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, amir was cool when he wasn't a pure drughead
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler I'm friends with everyone in the declaration video..that's a lot of ppl, so whcih ones are pulling my strings? don;t cherry pick eh
cazalla: JuliaTourianski_, i said earler i don't know
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, the question was pretty innocent
HeySteve: JuliaTourianski_ did u interview the hexayurt designer in that video posted above?
Dimsler: no we don't care in here that you have a vagina
cazalla: JuliaTourianski_ i'd be even more suspect if you were black
Dimsler: you're in the wrong channel if you think that
JuliaTourianski_: it's not a sexist thing. it is what it is. it makes a difference both ways
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cazalla: JuliaTourianski_ as said vagina has nothing to do with it but a pretty girl is useful to get across the message, maybe you start making videos on ethereum soon?
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, no, its because you're a public figure
HeySteve: that happened briefly but it didn't last
JuliaTourianski_: i have made 0 videos for anyone, so I'm confused with this whole convo
Dimsler: cazalla, no i think its the exact opposite
Dimsler: seriously whose going to take a cute blonde girl seriously?
Dimsler: like i think shes got her work cut out for her
JuliaTourianski_: I'm doing a guide on offline wallets using armory, and i was using armory for a year now and offered to do it. when that comes out u can say Trace Mayer is pulling my strings right? see how that works
cazalla: Dimsler, not really, this goes back to chat on how nigerians craft their emails
cazalla: JuliaTourianski_ i'm just saying i don't trust random novice who starts making videos declaring bitcoin's independence with other known scammers
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler i have certain advantage being me, but yes, ppl don;t take me seriously. when i go to these conferences it's telling. and everyone thinks im there with my bf. I'm not complaining, becuase once they bother to speak to me I show them I'm actually into BTC and the judgement dies.
Dimsler: well why does it have to be armoury for storing offline wallets
Dimsler: what happend to just storing your wallet offline at home?
JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla we all started out as a novice. I wrote that myself. i was inspired and excited. that's all. i wanted to bring the community together :) it was fun. u dont need to trust it
Dimsler: if you were perpetrating strict anarchy, independance would be critical
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler I've been an anarchist a while. i was writing for mises.ca for a year prior to doing btc stuff
Dimsler: mmm austrian school of economics
BingoBoingo: <JuliaTourianski_> I'm doing a guide on offline wallets using armory, and i was using armory for a year now and offered to do it. when that comes out u can say Trace Mayer is pulling my strings right? see how that works << Are you familiar with Armory's poor behavior?
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler the only reason the comment gets to me, is cuz I truly believe in everything I say and it sucks to be doubted in that. but I'm still fresh so fine. i don;t expect to be granted respect. I'll work for it. but dismissing people off the bat is just as bad no?
HeySteve: is the phone home issue fixed or what?
BingoBoingo: JuliaTourianski_: I mean the user phoning home stuff.
cazalla: julles, i'm not dismissing you or suggesting any sort of conspiracy but it raises ones suspicion when novice makes video and is seen with scammers the likes of amir, berwick, alex jones and his puppets
JuliaTourianski_: +BingoBoingo expand- last i saw was some reddit criticism they were addressing on privacy issues
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Maybe she fell in with a rough crowd.
danielpbarron: JuliaTourianski_, you're really digging -assets, huh?
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_ is going to get eaten alive
BCB: JuliaTourianski_: what is your first language
Dimsler: i can't tell if born or not
JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla amir is a ot a scammer. alex...I'm deciding on alex. ive spoken to him personally since, and I dont like the direction he's going lately. berwick is berwick. how about the rest of the ppl in there? all scammers?
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danielpbarron: lol, "berwick is berwick." the polite way to say someone is a weirdo
JuliaTourianski_: +BingoBoingo im sorry hun, i dunno what that means. all i know I've been using armory. and it's rated to be the most secure by vitalik and I trust robots :D
BCB: She sounds like Celine dion
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, vitalik is a complete moron
BingoBoingo: JuliaTourianski_: I dun really trust Vitalik
JuliaTourianski_: +BCB fuck off. that's the worst thing anyone has said to me yet :P
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, i knew vitalik when he was in waterloo
BCB: JuliaTourianski_: be nice. just tell us your first language.
Dimsler: with his idiotic ponzi etherium scheme
JuliaTourianski_: I dont trust him either but I trust him to know if armory is good
BCB: Dimsler: you can't deny Vitalik's intelligence
Dimsler: fully deny vitaliks intelligence
BCB: JuliaTourianski_: interesting...
BCB: mircea_popescu: Vitalik is a smart guy
Dimsler: vitalik is not a smart guy
Dimsler: what are you talking about
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler trust me...i know all there is to know about the ethereum issues. i wont comment further
BCB: Dimsler: We can disagree
BingoBoingo: <JuliaTourianski_> I dont trust him either but I trust him to know if armory is good << The way trust works is if you dun trust someone, you can't trust them to tell you icecream is good.
BCB: mircea_popescu: I've read his writing. He is one of the most articulate writers on bitcoin.
Dimsler: man didn't amir lose a toe or something
Dimsler: in that hilarious compound these crackheads were staying at?
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, whats amirs drug of choice?
danielpbarron: well he's smart enough to figure out a way to get 30k BTC out of all the fools who aren't patient enough to just buy Bitcoin and hold it
JuliaTourianski_: anyways. my point is, look at the big picture. there are good people in the declaration vid. most importantly it's a message I strongly believe in. so scammers or not, the message stays the same.
Dimsler: danielpbarron, vitalik is broke
Dimsler: he sold all his bitcoins for a few t-shirts
BCB: mircea_popescu: I don't buy Etherium and I have know idea of his coding skills but he is a good writer.
mircea_popescu: "x is smart" "why" "because i think he is" "why" "because he is"
BCB: mircea_popescu: he has a broad knowledge of the bitcoin echosphere. Have you ever meet him in person?
julles: cazalla, hi, sorry I never introduced myslef. I'm julles, I like what you guy do and have no relation whatsoever with the julles you're thinking of ;)
danielpbarron: what's with this +nickname thing? what client does that?
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, the people you have in that video
Dimsler: mean jack shit for bitcoin
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ take the case of jeff. he's an idiot, and now a fraudster. not for any reason than misassociation.
mircea_popescu: generally speaking, the most damage you can do to yourself is associating yourself with idiots and scammers
Dimsler: funded a tonne of silkroaders
Dimsler: and he also laundered everyones elses cash
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu there are a lot of ppl in the vid. the non scammers whoever u may think they are cancel out the scammers, whoever u think they are
mircea_popescu: so no, this scummy "oh the message is nice anyway" carries no water.
BCB: Dimsler: and he'll get less then 5 years
mircea_popescu: a bottle of wine does not cancel out a cupful of sewage.,
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, are you kidding?
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu one or two rotten cherries don;t kill the tree
BCB: for copping a plea and being an informant
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, how about shrem is a rat
Dimsler: and completely cooperated and ratted out half of the btc community
JuliaTourianski_: he worked with lawsky, thinking it would give him immunity for regulation and then he was fucked.
Dimsler: lol guy also sold out early
mircea_popescu: jurov: can prolly be crowdsourced << jurov is on fucking fire lmao
mircea_popescu: it's not that "he worked" and "thinking" etc. he made a career out of thinking he knows better than me,
Dimsler: how the fuck can you be an anarchist living in canada anyway
Dimsler: the most communist socialized shit hole
JuliaTourianski_: he thought he was immune and he wasn't . lesson learned maybe. he's a good guy, ppl make mistakes
BingoBoingo: JuliaTourianski_> he worked with lawsky, thinking it would give him immunity for regulation and then he was fucked. << This is why you can't plea out ever.
mircea_popescu: this "people make mistakes" bull is much too soft for btc.
Dimsler: nobody makes mistakes in btc LOL
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu u guys seem to have personal man beef with a lot of these ppl. this is where being a blonde girl helps, no egos.
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, yeah honestly we don't really care
Dimsler: those guys don't effect bitcoin
mircea_popescu: it's just that the gear switch from derpyland to btcland is bound to culture shock a little.
JuliaTourianski_: so what has the jury decided? whose pulling my strings? alex jones? berwik? amir? shrem? ahah
BCB: JuliaTourianski_: should should put captions with the speakers names. I don't recognize half those guys
Dimsler: we are ruling that anyone that gives you attention
BCB: mircea_popescu: ha. Everybody is a fucking expert these days
BCB: Dimsler: I heard even you are an expert now.
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, maybe we should buy shit on overstock?
Dimsler: you guys remember when reddit blew up, claiming overstock drove up the price of bitcoin?
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mircea_popescu: ie, this derpy dude spinning around some chick in the hopes that one day he can ask her things and she'll propose they be friends ?
Dimsler: can we at least get some nuds?
mircea_popescu: i'm hoping she amounts to more than that other chick, what was her name.
mircea_popescu: the one that did the beg videos and then was never seen again
cazalla: she has some new bitcoin videos
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ so you see yourself mostly as a blogger/radio host/whatever that way ? pundit-like ?
Dimsler: i can't figure out what agenda shes pushing
BCB: JuliaTourianski_: who chooses Jeffrey Tucker's bowties?
Dimsler: the first few videos she had were good
Dimsler: then it turned into a btc obsession
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Dimsler: well as an outspoken individual offering themselves up as a gladiator to entertain
BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: And it gets alot of talk that isn't true either. Solar just can't keep up with peak energy demands << Who says solar has to get everyone powered to work?
Dimsler: there should be something to solute
mircea_popescu: is Jeffrey Tucker the guy that split from mises.org some time back ?
mircea_popescu: i recall there was some drama but don't recall the drama.
Dimsler: hence i'm curious about what the agenda is
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler most ppl seem to be obsessed with btc. i did because it;s the onyl way anarchy can function scalabley
cazalla: if there was ever a guy still in the closet..
BCB: mircea_popescu: He runs liberty.me
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, yes bitcoin would allow anarchy to function, but so can many other things through history
JuliaTourianski_: by most ppl i mean, ppl either get obsessed or not. either in the woods or outside
Dimsler: well then you've obviously haven't read much history
Dimsler: seeing as anarchism has been rampant
jurov: anarchy will rule!!1
cazalla: in the woods or outside, blockchain technology, the other 6 billion, enough with the fucking platitudes, you're sounding more and more like andreas JuliaTourianski_
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler tribalism maybe, this is the first time I think anarchy could work on a large scale becuase the blockchain offers a very practical set of tools for operating economy, trade, legal systems etc, in a trustless fashion. so I got obsessed ye.
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ you still haven't said what you mean by "anarchy"
Dimsler: right up until he became bitcoin jesus' bitch
BCB: Andreas is a bitcoin expert
Dimsler: andreas is such a bitcoin expert that he doesn't have any
BCB: andreas is writing the bitcoin book
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ so then his point holds. anarchy is prevalent historically.
Dimsler: mircea_popescu, fuck yeah it is
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu I don't disagree. but it was always on a smaller scale.
Dimsler: what the fuck are you talking about?
Dimsler: during the french revolution only %7 of the people spoke french
JuliaTourianski_: allocation of resources is an issue, fuller says that's the role of gov systems really. once we scarcity is resolved we don;t need their infrastructure
Dimsler: before napoleon came and raped germany
Dimsler: were of the "times that were"
mircea_popescu: what nonsense is this, bitcoin is scarce by definition.
Dimsler: where every kingdom was 15km down the road
Dimsler: plenty of anarchy amongst monarchy
Dimsler: if youw ant to talk about civilized history
JuliaTourianski_: we tocuhed on this with vinay, solving shelter, clean water, food, disease, injury
JuliaTourianski_: well anarchy exists everywhere, but as a black system a lot of the time
JuliaTourianski_: all russians would have starved without anarchy. with black markets, only many starved.
Dimsler: but if you want to talk about communism
punkman: there's no black market without state
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, born in russia or canada?
mircea_popescu: punkman the state of her words is very very disorganised.
JuliaTourianski_: with the blockchain we have a possible was to just avoid gov, discreetly, building alt systems until it falls away. before, most anarchistic societies were destroyed by gov.
Dimsler: i remember when i was a kid
Dimsler: my grandma got a ticket for 2 washing machines
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ if your "we" includes the derps a la taaki, derpopoulous etc, no, "we" has no chance to anything but talk
Dimsler: went right to the market with the washing machine
Dimsler: if you want to talk about communism and its blackmarket
Dimsler: then %40 of the economy in russia was blackmarket
Dimsler: if you want to apply that to canada
Dimsler: wher eyou live now, its about %90 communist
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu i know u have a personal vendetta against taaki so I'll dismiss you vehement criticism of him due to ur bias
Dimsler: taaki is just a fucking joke
Dimsler: he should have stayed off the fucking drugs
Dimsler: and kept workign and programming
mircea_popescu: and i do not have a PERSONAL vendetta against taaki. i just flatten idiots
Dimsler: not sitting around squating in a flat
mircea_popescu: if he weren't an idiot he wouldn't have been flattened.
punkman: taaki's not a person, can't have personal vendetta
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mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ that's fine, but the problem is the thought process. you tend to go for this words because words because more words approach. it's not very sound.
BingoBoingo: <JuliaTourianski_> what's wrong with squatting? << Well, apparently this is the healthier way to poop
Dimsler: money is what buys freedom
Dimsler: is living in a hippy fucking hexyurt
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Dimsler: how does a hexyurt provide any sort of anarchistical resource?
JuliaTourianski_: squatting is a great option to work on projects full time and not spent funding money of rent
BCB: She used to be a movie star
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, a squatter is a slave
Dimsler: they only way to buy freedom, and live as an anarchist is to obtain wealth
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ except after full time of working on "projects" the only results are some scams and some ridicule.
mircea_popescu: i can appreciate EVERYONE wants to be cool important and a mind worker.
mircea_popescu: not everyone can. no matter how desperately they want to.
mircea_popescu: and its scarcity scales with availability, so it's un"resolvable"
BingoBoingo: JuliaTourianski_: tents r shit << Tents are Awesome!!!
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ his contribution to libbitcoin is the same as with bitcoin itself : he gofer'd coffee for the people involved.
Dimsler: how are tents shit? when they've been used for centuries
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cazalla: JuliaTourianski_ and you shit on half life?
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu thought it was an epic waste of time...yet I retained my editing skills so hey!
JuliaTourianski_: almost fucking died making episode 3 and they didint even bother finishing it. bleh
mircea_popescu: these +s remind me : JuliaTourianski_ if you actually get a client you get various benefiuts, such as a log, and autocomplete names and stuff.
JuliaTourianski_: funny how money makes ppl quit productivity sometimes...maybe amir is onto something here
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu "I am the richest man you've met, and If I can help it, I'll be the richest man you've ever met"
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu that's the first thing you said to me after attempting to troll me
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mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla would u think the same if I was a dude in a t-shirt? <<< hard to know, but i think the last dude in a tshirt to try the entire reddit thing here was kamela or something
BCB: JuliaTourianski_: did you get to "Make it" with that guy before he get's killed?
mircea_popescu: tim sweeny or w/e his name was didn't quite have the youthful flexibility and so he ended up butchered
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BCB: JuliaTourianski_: in the movie i mean
BCB: JuliaTourianski_: not in real life. Everyone bangs on movie sets
JuliaTourianski_: +BCB there's a makeout scene. I wonder why he wrote that in there.
BCB: JuliaTourianski_: is that guy the director also?
mircea_popescu: probably because you have to have something for youtube to iconize
mircea_popescu: Dimsler: seriously whose going to take a cute blonde girl seriously? << me, for one.
BCB: JuliaTourianski_: of course he is!
BCB: Dimsler: She seems to be holding her own in here. I'll take her seriously.
mircea_popescu: i guess if we decide to off Dimsler we'll send cute blonde assassins after him.
The20YearIRCloud: HeySteve: seems most efficient animals (fish & chicken) are 1.2 to 2 pounds of input per pound of meat
mircea_popescu: cazalla: JuliaTourianski_ i'm just saying i don't trust random novice who starts making videos declaring bitcoin's independence with other known scammers << while this is actually sound, the problem with youth is that it wants to act. which is also sound. so novices with drive will often first show up in dubious company.
mircea_popescu: intel didn't manage to find any actual shilling, so whadda ya want.
HeySteve: sounds about right, The20YearIRCloud, but like I said there's a "hack" for tilapia which brings it to 1:1 or even below!
HeySteve: check out biofloc if you're interested
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu I believe in a free market. my impressionable mind is fair game. get it while it's hot. sculpt me in your image. pull my strings. I'm young. don;t miss out! your future is at stake!
HeySteve: in fact, I seem to remember someone mentioning 0.5:1 feed to weight conversion, which is pretty astounding
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ i'm more of a stationary sculpting mechanism. which is why the "pick something to do" thing.
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mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ well what do you want me to do, tell you what to do ?!
BCB: mircea_popescu: I was wondering that.
HeySteve: mircea_popescu, the hack is that gill-feeding fish also absorb algae and plankton colonies from the water, you just need to seed the water with carbon to encourage colony growth
BCB: mircea_popescu: they are getting married at Disney so probabaly!
BCB: mircea_popescu: a gay couple wouldn't be caught dead getting married at disney
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ anyway, what ever happened to anjiecast ? she got married or what.
cazalla: she's been trolling 4chan mircea_popescu
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http://t.co/vR4jJRZGo8 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ yeah but the last n umlaut posts are by that gurri newb
JuliaTourianski_: +danielpbarron what's wrong? you don;t wanna troll me in front of your friends?
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mircea_popescu: so much win. i knew plastering us college campuses with fliers of that article won't be wasted.
mircea_popescu: this, dear everyone, is what i call thought leadersheep
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, thats ok we'll troll you enough
JuliaTourianski_: +danielpbarron it was ok when I wasn't in here ye? im dissapointed
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, don't upset your beta orbiters
danielpbarron: not sure i catch your meaning; you seem to be enjoying yourself
BCB: mircea_popescu: what is your take on GABI
BCB: mircea_popescu: Global Advisors Bitcoin Investment Fund
Dimsler: lol tell me where the fund on the NYSE is?
Dimsler: what happend to the winkle twins?
Duffer1: working their way through red tape
BCB: Dimsler: they are waiting for a ruling
JuliaTourianski_: what projects in the BTC space do you guys like? if any...these conferences seem to be full of frat boys wanting to be men, with projects...many of which seem to be solving the same problem that doesn't exist.
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