tmsr - Log 2018-11-15

BingoBoingo: <lobbes> "el incendio anual" heh << Mind that before becoming a mall in a more expensive neighborhood than the Datacenter's, a good chunk of the present legislature or their parents were locked up there for being commie scum

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: didja end up having to glue yer blog back together from archived pages ?!

BingoBoingo: On the plus size, I did learn that using MyISAM instead of Innodb actual RAM available on the Rockchip for not MySQL ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: mod6 pleez let me know when we can swap yours, iirc you're the last rk fella on old disk

asciilifeform: also folx, pleeez make backups! i should not even have to remind. there is not such a thing known presently as an immortal disk.

asciilifeform: !Q later tell ben_vulpes didja find the eggog ? you estimated 'wednesday', and the day is nearly at end.. ☟︎

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if we ever build a rk-like board from the ground up, i'ma give it at least mirror raid. but presently afaik no such thing can be had.

asciilifeform: i was almost gonna say 'we're the first to put arm64 in a dc rack' but then recalled that jurov, years ago, saw such a thing somewhere

asciilifeform: btw for many yrs i've searched for the obvious simple gadget, a y-shaped thing that'd turn 2 or moar usb sticks into an iron raid. but still not found, dun seem like anybody ever made.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-15#1872279 << currently i know veeery little about mysql ( always used postgres, and at this point know embarrassingly much re the internals and tuning knobs ) -- but iirc mp's-wp requires specifically mysql, so prolly doomed to study it at some point ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-15 02:09 BingoBoingo: On the plus size, I did learn that using MyISAM instead of Innodb actual RAM available on the Rockchip for not MySQL

asciilifeform: he did pick it for a logical reason, but i cannot currently recall what it was ( prolly detailed in l0gz )

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's what wordpress expects. Otherthings can be forced into place at substantial cost. ☟︎

asciilifeform: phuctor ( and in particular, some of the 'heavier' / unusual pheatures, like search ) i baked specifically around postgres. ☟︎

asciilifeform: possibly 1 of these days i oughta publish my kludge for making ancient wp go on postgres; but it isn't half as polished as mp's and i dunno that anyone would win from cribbing it

BingoBoingo: Changing the storage engine has resulted in a more than 10x reduction in RAM used

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fwiw postgres doesn't, 'out of the box', have the runaway ram problem. ( it had exact opposite -- i had to coax it into actually making constructive use of dulap III's very plentiful ram )

BingoBoingo: Consider Phuctor is a sorta bespoke thing. DB software architect can't antipate a Phuctor and how its filled. On the other hand most mysql installs power wordpress.

asciilifeform: esp. a wwwtronic thing, where there is a readily-available graceful failure mode ( make connector wait a few sec for a free slot )

BingoBoingo: The failure mode under stress was an attractor to lighttpd, but... configuring it is a pain

asciilifeform: ( seems , at least by my lights, uncharacteristically hungry... does it really take a coupla MB of working ram , per GET , to serve up a blog ? )

asciilifeform: also iirc diana_coman and hanbot both have mp's-wp on rk , and i dun recall either of'em ever reporting OOM

BingoBoingo: I have not. My understanding of how it worked was it sat in a failry consistent RAM footprint as a running process and played goalie shoving the blog to php-fpm

BingoBoingo: Thankfully Qntra has a backup button, but with mp-wp I gotta dogfood it, because it is what I will be asked about

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-14#1872250 << not so. i actually like it, as being one of the few proven-hard bits of the witches' brew we call crypto. ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-14 20:20 diana_coman: my understanding was that nobody actually LIKES oaep all that much but it's (again! another one of those!) the thing we have (as opposed to the thing we might wish for)

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-14#1872257 << i am not aware something better than oaep for rsa padding ~could in principle be had~, let alone actually is known to exist. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-14 20:50 asciilifeform: but for general-purpose pgp replacement, conceivably could use something 'hungrier' but with 0 fixed structural bits. i'ma invite mircea_popescu et al to consider the subj.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'proof' is iffy ( iirc we dug into this in early thrd ) but that aint the thing that makes me hairs stand up: it's that oaep introduces structurism ( for comparison, even the oldest 'all or nuffin' algo, rivest's , does not )

mircea_popescu: this intuition is not in fact proven.

asciilifeform: it'll turn out to suck tho if it turns out that , say, if you know 3bits of what went into a keccakization, you now know 33 of its oaepization, or the like. i dun know a proof that ~not~ this, if that makes sense

asciilifeform: recall the thrd that provoked mircea_popescu into making shot at own hash algo etc. orig was a stab at the generalized problem of destructurizator.

mircea_popescu: if the hash is not there to carry load then why have it.

asciilifeform: ( how to take plaintext, with possible known patterns, and turn it into something about which NO useful 'and bit B is X' can be said )

mircea_popescu: and no, thread that prompted me to publish the lulzitem was specifically the glib "oh, NOW here's shits and giggles"

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we have hashes cuz some thing simply cannot be done without'em ( short rsa sigs of GB inputs, etc )

mircea_popescu: this is unrelated.

asciilifeform: but if it were possible to have straight rsa, rather than rsa and hash,would be stronger system ( no hash ever was proven strong, even in the sense rsa is )

asciilifeform: at any rate, i dun have an obviously-superior replacement for oaep. so presently ( see my rollout calendar ) i'ma implement one. but i dispute that 'cannot be made' claim.

mircea_popescu: i still don't know what you dislike about it, other than it's continued existence per se.

mircea_popescu: problem is he hunts chunks of flotsam, rock etc half the time. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: ie, i can't distinguish his process from randomness.

BingoBoingo: If cute girl dildo'd rock, gets investigated by smell, even if it turns out the culprit was honest clams

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo this blog disaster of yours has rescued a bunch of pingbacks you apparently never sent b4

mircea_popescu: heh. cool then

mircea_popescu: no idea why you were using it.

BingoBoingo: Yes, if you look a an online map it will show the street in question touching the "Palacio legeslativo", but then it goes straight into abject sadness

a111: Logged on 2018-11-15 05:06 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-14#1872250 << not so. i actually like it, as being one of the few proven-hard bits of the witches' brew we call crypto.

mircea_popescu: what can i say.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-14#1872207 << so practically speaking, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871473 or not, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1870991 or not, you will ABSOLUTELY NOT get some sleep, or anything else in that vein. you will instead simply continue on your collision course, indefinitely and no matter what, and if the republic drops through the cracks fuck it, and if your own health does, or your own s ☝︎☝︎☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-14 15:45 mod6: 2018-11-13 15:35:03,098 [INFO ] [0.101.22.52] [MDMCommandQueueMonitor ] - Cancelling existing run of MDMCommandQueueMonitor

a111: Logged on 2018-11-12 15:39 mircea_popescu: and speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-30#1867509 : perhaps this is just the ticket mod6 , take a few days / a week off whatever, ~BY YOURSELF~. so you can fucking think. go hang out with BingoBoingo , fuck some latino whores, get drunk once or twice... these are the mainstay "i'm in a paper bag how do i get out" methods since time immemorial for a fucking reason.

a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 13:33 mircea_popescu: the "sad" news, from this perspective (though it is boldly and fundamentally the exact opposite of sad) is that no, there isn't any "return to the grand old days" on the table. ~emphatically~ not. bitcoin ain't going back to spending a summer at 2 dollars a coin ; and consequentlly you're not going back to being the mod6 of 2013 on ten hours a week and lukewarm committment.

mircea_popescu: anity, or anything, ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING else fuck it with a side order of marschino cherries, and let it be all damned. you've committed to working two jobs to raise some woman's kids, no other women will be considered, no other activities will be considered, just that and that alone until the proverbial http://trilema.com/2014/fred-quimby-and-ancient-evils/#selection-261.158-261.168 ; do i rather get the gist of it ?

mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6 pleez let me know when we can swap yours, iirc you're the last rk fella on old disk << go ahead when ever you guys are ready.

mod6: mircea_popescu: I can't take any time off of salt-mine, or at least, not the kind of time that I would need to drop all and head down to BBstan. Used my time for this year, already.

mircea_popescu: right.

mod6: I've been trying to stay off of here, as much as I can turn my attention away, this week. But repeated admonishments for my life choices doesn't help anything.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-15#1872348 << i woke up and 'i owe mircea_popescu a proper elaboration' but noticed it is ending up lengthy, and the risk of typo and turning sense into nonsense is high; so prolly oughta be a blog post, i'ma write it after ch12 , supposing nobody's in a dire hurry ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-15 05:58 mircea_popescu: problem is he hunts chunks of flotsam, rock etc half the time.

mircea_popescu: mod6 from my pov, you've transparently rotated from not being able to add to not being able to read ; and should something like "alf, do not speak to diana_coman anymore" should issue for some reason, you'll just move on to ~same somewhere else.

asciilifeform after the serpent thing has turned to a moar 'measure 7 times, cut 1' direction

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform good idea.

mod6: I was sincerely confused as to why she picked up 99994, just wanted to ensure that whatever happens there, that it was the correct thing. Yes, perhaps I should have spent more time on that reading thouroughly, clearly.

mod6: Anyway, the thoughts from the last week are basically that, I want to work on some things, but I just don't have the capacity any longer, or the same passion that I once had.

mircea_popescu: but in any case, admonishments have nothing to do with any of this. i am stuck in the unenviable position of parenting an infantile adult woman, practically speaking, where i have to construct an image of committments ex post facto, from bits of pieces of silent activty. "oh, i wonder why she failed college, maybe it's because she's hooked up with some dood ?" sorta nonsense.

asciilifeform: mod6: have you considered to get a diff heathen gig ? the kind where you dun have to go anywhere ? in '16 asciilifeform pulled this off, yes it took having to run on batteries for a spell, but was 100% worth it, it's the only reason i had strength to actually do FG, ffa, etc

mircea_popescu: and the problem is on clear display with the "i was sincerely confused" bit. you did the lowest possible effort attempt to get something out of it ; and in your case this was elevated into an actual minicrisis because i trust you.

mircea_popescu: but i trust you to ~have read~ the woman's thing ~before~ you say it does something it does not in fact do.

mod6: This year has been very hard, and I'm going to be getting out of the way so that the Republic can go on doing its good work.

mircea_popescu: by all means. the republic is eternal ; children are like ducklings, one day they http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/best-in-the-world-13-560x373.jpg then you blink and they're 3 lbs being thrown into the pond. come back when you're mocky's age, you can have a lengthy history of java you daren't admit to the self you regret and you can go to burma or w/e. ☟︎

mod6: mircea_popescu: I had a super-knee jerk reaction to the blog-post on the train that afternoon, I surely should have spent some more time with it as opposed to assuming that she just picked up the wrong one by mistake.

mircea_popescu: speaking of which -- anyone with a burning interest in the rainforests of asia ? it occurs to me it might be worth pinpointing a place by the criterion of "pantsuit radio silence" also.

mod6: asciilifeform: So for the first ... 5 years of my participation here, I did have a 95% wfh job, and that made all the difference.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i admit to a curiosity re vietnam. ( not only famously succeeded in crushing the anglo-roaches , but persistent rumours that at least part of the reason why invaded was to prevent a native and 'red' semiconductor castle from appearing , was showing symptoms )

mod6: Well, I take that back, not "all" the difference, but it certainly helped. Now, I've got to be in the fascist-tower daily, with a 2+ hour commute every day. It sucks. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: so why are you sticking to the nonsense ?!

mircea_popescu: why the fuck would you go to the tower roflmao.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seems to me just another costa rica, "nice people and here's their coca cola"

mircea_popescu: but i admit to superficial examination.

mod6: Need the fiat. Someday, when we're at the right levels, I won't need to do any of that. But today isn't that day, sadly.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: entirely likely. but afaik best-looking horse in that glue factory. observe that e.g. vikrot bout was betrayed by usg.thailand, not vietnam.

asciilifeform: simply best-known example. pantsuit is colonial master in good chunk of that subcontinent, but not afaik vietnam.

mircea_popescu: afaik not burma. which is a stronger statement.

asciilifeform: i recall mircea_popescu got wind at one point that burma is industrializing. but i have nfi re detail, it is 'dark matter'.

mircea_popescu: cuz a successful military junta shot all the http://trilema.com/2017/in-case-you-were-wondering-where-all-the-worthless-nuland-drones-ended-up/ and survived the "unsurvivable" just fine.

asciilifeform: what i dun presently know is whether the new fuhrer is presiding over a ~nepal , or sumthing where could actually build iron.

mircea_popescu: hence the original q.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-15#1872392 << mod6 you absolutely must escape. what wouldja need in order to escape ? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-15 15:37 mod6: Well, I take that back, not "all" the difference, but it certainly helped. Now, I've got to be in the fascist-tower daily, with a 2+ hour commute every day. It sucks.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a fighting-shape mod6 is easily worth 2 or 3 asciilifeform's . i dun suppose you have a qatar to evacuate him to ?

mod6: escape the current salt-mine? I've been earnestly looking since last fall. Most of the similar pay jobs have ~some~ remote work, but not all. To go back to basically 100% (or close) wfh time, I'd have to take a pretty big pay-cut.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why the fuck do you think i even bother with all this unpleasantness.

mircea_popescu: mod6 how about you stop going to work altogether ? what then ?

mod6: Which I've done a lot of before, but it's pretty unsteady. It gets tired having to look for new work every 6mos to 1 year.... although, I do try to switch mines every 2-3 years.

mod6: mircea_popescu: I'd love to. I've got coins, but I was wanting to wait a few years yet maybe before I sell.

mircea_popescu stopped going to work altogether cca 2003, even though it was not really "work" in the sense modern zek imagines, and even though "you can have your office wherever you want, yes we'll call any of your girls to find out what cafebar that is today" and so on. and it was as fucking difficult a decision for me as for anyone ever, because "we need you" and "this shit won't work without you" (duh) and so on and so forth.

mircea_popescu: but, asthe saying goes, you gotta drop a hand when you know it can't win, not when you figure you can afford to lose "your" "share" of the pot. (note -- pot is NOT SHARED, and it only has an owner AFTER, never before. there's no suchj thing as pot equity, fundamentally and necessarily, which is because man-things are anti-woman-"ideas").

asciilifeform: i recall the post, i think, mircea_popescu used to be a kind of surgeon , resurrected dying corps

mircea_popescu: mod6 so the idea here being that currently fiat valuation of coins is "0.5x fountains of youth" and you're waiting for something more like 1.5x fountains of youth, ie, for it to be a superunitary number of fountains of youths ?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he used to be a kind of fixer, owned a town and http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-28#1036383 ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2015-02-28 23:51 mircea_popescu: you ain't bought a license to kill bookies, and today i ain't sellin' any.

mod6: Something like that. When I can take 25 coins and retire confidently. Or something of the like.

mircea_popescu: mod6 i don't think the coins will ever buy back our youths.

mircea_popescu: that is a definite ceiling i can absolutely place on the bit-coin

mod6: I don't think it'll buy back youth -- just the time and space to never have to go back to the mines. To be able to use my time as best as mircea_popescu sees fit.

asciilifeform pictures a fyootoor emperor qin shihuandi , with stable of alchemists paid in coin, hunting for elixir

mircea_popescu: ahaha mod6 that's like ein anderes level!

mircea_popescu: sick burn. but srsly, i don't have a problem with you using it any way you ~think~ best. but the catch is, i fucking want you to think! not just autopilot into it.

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> simply best-known example. pantsuit is colonial master in good chunk of that subcontinent, but not afaik vietnam. << Vietnam lost the rent a rack contest due to sad "International" bandwidth

mod6: wrt the salt-mine thing, and retirement, I'm just trying to do the most reasonable, responsible thing. I think about it everytime I step foot on the train platform.

mircea_popescu: if you say you think about it i will believe you think about it. as i have believed throughout, when the fuck did i even tell you what to do until you started not doing it. if you say i will beleive, but mind it's not "honest confusion" a la earlier.

mircea_popescu: because that -- that i have no way to check.

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Indeed. Simply pointing out Vietnam lost the datacenter contest for the same reason Cambodia did and not being USG.BFF

mircea_popescu: afaik burma doesn't even have an "international bw".

mircea_popescu: but then again, we have all these autopilot magic flying information-superhighway threads... may benefit from a real jungle endpoint.

asciilifeform: there are things on back burner that ~specifically~ call for 'jungle endpoint'.

mircea_popescu: yes.

BingoBoingo: The Burma situation is lulzy with old girl whats her name having solved whatever petty hangup stood between her and the Junta and going from USG.blue darling to a lesser "orange man"

mircea_popescu: you know ?

mircea_popescu: it would be a little rich if the thing became "but mp, you said man -- responsibilities -- rhodesia ???" "yes well, sorry, beobachter did not list you on rhodesia list" "oh I SEE!!!"

BingoBoingo: <mod6> mircea_popescu: I can't take any time off of salt-mine, or at least, not the kind of time that I would need to drop all and head down to BBstan. Used my time for this year, already. << After January 15th the amount of ear confusing Portuguese drops substantially, and the beaches are still here

mircea_popescu: speaking of which, i am half-considering getting a beach house here for a week or so, to "airbnb" any republicans who might wish to come. this sound interesting at all to anyone ?

mircea_popescu: i'm thinking mid jan to late feb sometime maybe.

mircea_popescu: im also half-thinking of hiring a coupla strippers to do the housework naked for the interval.

mircea_popescu: why not do things in style.

BingoBoingo: Anyways mod6 if you can't hit up the expocannabis next month, the beach doesn't expire. You just don't have to share it with the Bralisero school break crowd.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i can't resist to ask, what've you got against the brazil folx anyway . i worked with a bunch for yrs, jolly good chaps

mircea_popescu: i think he just doesn't like schoolkids

BingoBoingo: They are good people, but based on my experience shortly after landing the whole "third language dominating all the spaces" deal can be disorienting

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo becoming stereotypical gruff male.

mircea_popescu: anyway, i wish to hear re foregoing!

mircea_popescu: how's being back ?

lobbesbot: trinque: Sent 10 hours and 54 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> Feel free to return the feed

Mocky: it was good until all my plans went awry. Had planned 3 months of normal living off savings to find a new job. unexpectedly I'm in immediate need of income and acute rationing / mooching off family has already begun

mircea_popescu: how come ?

trinque: mod6: I don't mean to thump on you further, but you've gotta be the least selfish guy sitting here. I encourage you to look out for #1 a bit more. we need a sharp, rich, powerful mod6, not one running himself ragged piously.

mircea_popescu: i think he might actually be the least selfish guy here.

mircea_popescu: and yes, when good men forego power, all that happens is power ends up concentrated with idiots. NOTHING else.

Mocky: most of my savings was lost to my own idiocy, and my other stream of income has been delayed

mircea_popescu: it's significantly more shameful an act to not be powerful than to go around rural train stations jacking off.

mircea_popescu: Mocky didja ever get the BingoBoingo thing settled or is that distressed consequently ?

BingoBoingo: It's a lot easier to go around rural train stations jacking off if your rural has train stations

mircea_popescu: eurocentric worldview ftw.

Mocky: mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo thing is still in progress and not distressed. but you'll have to !!v if you want the remainder to proceed http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-09#1870491 ☝︎

mircea_popescu: no fucking way ?!

mircea_popescu: brb, checking this. jesus wtf is with my v process.

mircea_popescu: !!v F654A0B4F8FCF45412A50B62FE4EAF783A6846B1D281EB8860F2C9394012F38F

mircea_popescu: hm. i take it it's expired ?

mircea_popescu: oooo caps.

mircea_popescu: Mocky thanks fucking god i said something.

mircea_popescu: trinque sorry, it's not clear to me. should i do something ? what ?

Mocky: mircea_popescu, you were going to get a reminder from me tomorrow if it hadn't gone thru by then.

mircea_popescu: trinque so the payment he references is actually dead, and i should re-do it (and in redoing it say "mocky" not "Mocky" so you can test) ?

mircea_popescu: alrighty.

mircea_popescu: !!pay mocky 0.2

mircea_popescu: Mocky imagine, never before was i tempted to type a nick by hand, so we never knew.

mircea_popescu: !!v 76448389511874988173ADAC8EE65CEE8A9B2AF07975B3F38E34412E988550DA

mircea_popescu: my very good pleasure.

Mocky: anyway, I'm putting in 80hr/week interview prep as that's my bottleneck, plus as many more hours as I can cram in before it shuts down

mircea_popescu: now this out of the way : your credit's still good, you want a coin or so on your marker ?

mircea_popescu: you want it settled as fiat or as coin ?

mircea_popescu: !!pay Mocky 1

mircea_popescu: !!v DE9F4E16DEFA1DAE7F6B3AD1C6B075DA9ABAF6125E1A01E377B8D6240367B111

mircea_popescu: i'll want the coin back next year. now go forth and own stupidity no more!

a111: Logged on 2018-11-15 15:35 mircea_popescu: by all means. the republic is eternal ; children are like ducklings, one day they http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/best-in-the-world-13-560x373.jpg then you blink and they're 3 lbs being thrown into the pond. come back when you're mocky's age, you can have a lengthy history of java you daren't admit to the self you regret and you can go to burma or w/e.

mircea_popescu: feathers, lol

BingoBoingo: Anyways, the ability to keep house ducklings for eventual retirement to the pond on the back 40 is a distinct advantage of rural life

mircea_popescu: heh.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, did anyone ever actually bake a pdf2www viewer gizmo ? ( i wanted to link to e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-16#1715210 and other oldstuff, at various points, but am loathe to link direct turd, really oughta be a thing which eats link to pdf and shits a http://www.loper-os.org/pub/hl/hl.html - style item ) ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-09-16 02:53 mircea_popescu: incidentally, should prolly take a look at http://www.shoup.net/papers/oaep.pdf also

asciilifeform: i distinctly recall that several people ( incl. gabriel_laddel ) threatened to bake this, but did anyone bake ?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nope.

mircea_popescu: ikr.

asciilifeform: sumthing like a rk, booted to ram disk, would make a perfectly fine toilet for such a thing imho

mircea_popescu: iirc i even put in the logs url of very fine service in this vein, back a few years ago when i still even considered i might be interested in reading something that came in a pdf.

mircea_popescu: meanwhile kinda moved past it -- if it's in pdf it's as good as if it's in http://trilema.com/2013/the-linguistic-mark-of-cultural-failure/ language as far as i'm concerned : dead to reason and to no loss of reason for it.

asciilifeform: at times i wanna link to orig pubs of various algos, e.g. barrett, and frustrating

mircea_popescu: at some point, man has to discriminate. as much sense as the woman's wail "o look, he has TOES!!! there are SOME human-like parts!!" may seem to make sense on the surface.

asciilifeform: ( not to mention, various heathen dirt in e.g. qntra, typically i put it through ocr but result aint always edible )

asciilifeform: imho a thing that'd swallow a pdf/ps/etc and shit out html with sequenced jpeg, would be entirely useful item.

mircea_popescu: surely.

mircea_popescu: and the republic's insistent refusal to bake it, over the years since it was first specced, an entirely resounding and clear refusal of the theory.

mircea_popescu: i'm perfectly willing to turn the de facto "we of tmsr do not believe anything in a pdf should ever be read" into law.

asciilifeform: i wish i could concur, but while baking ffa i had to eat a good 100GB of pdf.

mircea_popescu: kinda how it goes.

mircea_popescu: anyway, the problem afaik is that pdf is a) not a format and b) not digital.

mircea_popescu: by a i mean : a zip of pngs can be presented as ".pdf" and this is legal ; just as vectored text or ascii text could.

mircea_popescu: and by b) i mean inept shit like "this text is a picture"

mircea_popescu: so imo saddling anyone with "transform pdf into sanity" is not unlike saddling the one with any other restatement of "build machine, shit in, prunes out".

mircea_popescu: yet another exercise in http://trilema.com/2018/so-i-designed-a-block-chipher/

asciilifeform: sanity -- defo not; but conceivably could be frozen in amber the way nintendo games were.

mircea_popescu: i don't think i want amber statues of pdf.

mircea_popescu: decay, dissolution and doom are ~good~ things.

asciilifeform: the thread provoked by reading dulap l0gz this morning, and asciilifeform noticed a mysterious upsurge of heathen interest in ye olde http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1491985 turd collection. by all rights they oughta be seeing it as jpeg encrusted with tmsr ad banners etc ☝︎

mircea_popescu: just re-genesis anything you happen to find and care about in a pdf as if it were your own original invention.

mircea_popescu: as far as im concerned, it strictly is.

mircea_popescu: sure.

mircea_popescu: pdf can't "own" bits anymore than wikipedia can. if i drop a can of tuna in dogshit, it;s not now "dogshit brand tuna"

asciilifeform: contemplated strictly as archaeologist's spade, rather than some continued 'legit' existence for the sadformat.

mircea_popescu: i honestly believe the item linked cca 2015 is perfect answer. do you know which i mean or need i go spelunking for it ?

asciilifeform: diggin in the l0gz since mircea_popescu brought it up 5min ago, but not found yet

mircea_popescu: aite will try and refind.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-09#915458 << ancients ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2014-11-09 06:38 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla feature request : when assbot parses a pdf url, can it spit it out with http://btcscoop.com/cgi-bin/convert.py?docurl= prefixed for convenience, while also making a http request so as to start the conversion ?

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mircea_popescu: im sure

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what did it look like when alive ? was it essentially a http://www.loper-os.org/pub/hl/hl.html thing ?

asciilifeform: ( i've seen various heathen crapola that takes pdf and makes www, but all seems to use ocean of js and scarcely improvement over orig gnarl imho )

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think it actually was https://pdftotext.com/

mircea_popescu: give it a spin plox ?

mircea_popescu: possible ? or i got the wrong item, who the fuck even knows.

mircea_popescu throws hands up, this was the available budget for pdf bs.

asciilifeform: if anybody knows of such a thing that actually seems to work, plox to write in.

Mocky: I've used online-convert.com, has an option for OCR but I haven't tested that. https://document.online-convert.com/convert-to-txt

asciilifeform: Mocky: the sad bit is that ocr never has and prolly never will work worth half a shit on maffs

asciilifeform: ( where not only gnarly notations but where even 1 character bitflip is unacceptably many )

asciilifeform: ( wanted to get human monkeys out of the typesetting loop, unacceptable bit rot even with professional typists )

mircea_popescu: there's no ~need~ for it to work, is the important point.

BingoBoingo: Aite, I have found a ~56kb chunk of php which will let mp-wp shit out database backups from the dashboard. Going to put reading the PHP in the que, because php chunk's alleged author is this guy: http://austinmatzko.com/

mircea_popescu: nothing in a pdf is actually worth reading / taking as such. http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/ specifically says, "no need to mechanically process pdfs"

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what is wrong with just using mysql like sane people ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i ended up killing coupla trees, with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-15#1872555 , to do it, conceivably they didnt have to die.. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: let them die.

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Workflow thing. I don't keep a constant ssh tunnel into the server, but if there's a button of the constantly open wpdashboard which shits db for my local machine Imma hit that button at least daily.

mircea_popescu: if you're going to do spelunking, at least do it.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no screen / scripts where you live ?!

mircea_popescu: you will have to at some time backup other things than mpwp you realiose

mircea_popescu: why are you learning the wrong lesson andf baking php into your process

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it might take a little work for other folx, but realize that you can back up your rk just by picking up the disk, lol, with hands, and sticking in yer lappy and dd if=/dev/sdb | gzip > backup

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: This is a point. I found a bandaid, gotta not let the bandaid turn into a load bearing structural member

Mocky: was kid asciilifeform hanging out in dumpsters or went in specifically for a chip puller?

asciilifeform: Mocky: when asciilifeform & co moved to usa, father worked as a 'building super' in industrial shithole, lotsa goodies thrown for the pickin'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had to ride horse and burn vienna to get 286, but here idjits simply threw out 486 etc

Mocky: my first born has regular side income selling old servers and hardware fished from his work dumpster, sometimes asks me for help loading when loot pile is especially big

asciilifeform: ( since sadly closed, i suspect he died, d00d was uncommonly fat even for ameristan )

asciilifeform: was great shop -- no price stickers, proprietor made up prices as he went along, and usually were in 'lunch money' range, even for e.g. pallet of sgi 'origin' etc

asciilifeform: 'oh hi mr d , i've been saving this naval 300kV xray machine for you, surely you want'

asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform's ancient venerable hoster seems to be outaged ( iirc 2nd time since 2015 .. )

mircea_popescu: wb lol

mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other places, "The whole scope of the essay is to recommend culture as the great help out of our present difficulties; culture being a pursuit of our total perfection by means of getting to know, on all the matters which most concern us, the best which has been thought and said in the world, and, through this knowledge, turning a stream of fresh and free thought upon our stock notions and habits, which we now fol

mircea_popescu: low staunchly but mechanically, vainly imagining that there is a virtue in following them staunchly which makes up for the mischief of following them mechanically."

diana_coman: and re the wp backup from dashboard specifically, the one time when I used it on old blog it turned out to be shit because although it said "backup ALL" it failed to actually backup /restore the categories too...

diana_coman: I can't begin to imagine what was the design idea there "oh, ALL does not mean categories because you might want to just re-categorize all your writing" or what

asciilifeform: diana_coman: sorta why asciilifeform wish list includes plain-files-on-disk blogotron -- then trivial to back up

asciilifeform: even a super-heaviweight bag of txt/jpg like mircea_popescu's, would damn near certainly work a++ as a filesystem thing

asciilifeform: db only really wins when yer doing a) complex queries b) over million+ items , or a+b , really

asciilifeform: imho the wp mix-and-match, where some stuff lives in db, other on disk -- is worst of both worlds

asciilifeform: long ago, asciilifeform used to have a plain txt www . only moved to wp because wanted search box, comments, etc, and couldn't be arsed to bake a blogotron by hand

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all blogotrons are "plain files on disk"

mircea_popescu: mysql db is direcylu back-up-able by copying two files. php IS FUCKING FILES ON DISK

mircea_popescu: wtf already with all this idiocy.

mircea_popescu: and you are doing a+b. you are taking three different sources of data and merging them together, because it is ~deeply inconvenient~ to store comments together with articles.

mircea_popescu: and since you got that, you also use markup and configuration, which are similarily separate, and there you go, your naive "i am an idiot who must make his own nails by hand" "files on disk" has four... directories is it ?