vexare: lurking
mod6: I haven't been to this site in years, still cracks me up. "Robert Hamburger has a black belt in Street Fighter 2 and a second degree black belt in Mortal Kombat 1-3."
mircea_popescu: ah this was with the ninjas forced meme
BingoBoingo: yeah
asciilifeform back from monkeyland
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-09#1500500 << no good. cuts off url☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-09 22:23 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 10783613970442413934143578906158089830375140508817221044708965087575877867311152108386754333184784039689570945854780881166021712179361227812154341718049279 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.
asciilifeform: they're all on frontier dsl.
asciilifeform: prolly modem.
asciilifeform: snore.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-09#1500397 << 'nato will happily fight russia to the last finnish soldier.' -- putin☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-09 19:48 mats: there have been rumblings of .fi and .se joining nato for a little while now
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D0AC0C30BC34D89A0030FEE5CF3B72AAD12A5CA8957EAE53A26562A2707AC0BD
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/883B06E873C07E5B89D390661892DF1B8A06B6026A6BBB63475B2E6002AE1E11
asciilifeform: ^ for anyone who wants the keyz.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ^ qntra ?
BingoBoingo: gringing it
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-09#1500503 << rotor builds armv5 binary and it is THREE MOTHERFUCKING LINES to change in the build script WTF11111☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-09 22:25 shinohai: same here really, i have had this thing for so long now, with ssd. but no way to build binary in an easy fashion
trinque: corollary to read teh logz is read the sauce!
trinque goes to get drunk on margaritas
trinque: happy halvening!
asciilifeform: 'Why the DAO robber could very well return the ETH on July 14th' << pass the lsd.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-09#1500439 << pass moar lsd.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-09 20:55 summerverbose: I write software for a non-VC-funded company that expands Bitcoin accessibility around the world
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-09#1500440 << did somebody leave a hatch open or wat, though which folks without elementary trace element of a clue wander in☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-09 20:55 summerverbose: which I believe, based on my current pay grade, qualifies as public good :)
asciilifeform: where do they come from ?
asciilifeform: what are they looking for here.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-09#1500330 << this is approx as exciting as new year day.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-09 16:47 ben_vulpes: 420001
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500558 << http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-26#1416370☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-02-26 22:57 phf: ^- http://buttersafe.com/comics/2008-10-23-Detour.jpg
a111: Logged on 2016-07-10 00:30 asciilifeform: where do they come from ?
asciilifeform: must be.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-09#1500317 << and i need tornados for....?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-09 15:35 BingoBoingo: In other news, a Tornado hit Metropolis. Another candidate for Alfugee settlement, just not as cheap or black as Cairo. Also has Casino nao.
BingoBoingo: Why don't you need tornados? Live a little!
asciilifeform: why not i simply take all of my possessions and put in a pyre, pour petrol, light
asciilifeform: cheaper than moving
asciilifeform: and waiting to be tornadoes in il or burgled in bmore
BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4761
BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4759
asciilifeform: meanwhile, https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/senior-official-at-washington-think-tank-fatally-stabbed-in-baltimore-park/2016/07/09/01e478c6-45fd-11e6-88d0-6adee48be8bc_story.html
asciilifeform: 'A 59-year-old woman who was a senior official at a Washington think-tank was fatally stabbed in Baltimore’s Roland Park neighborhood as she was walking her dogs Friday night, police said.'
asciilifeform: 'Macauley was the vice president for research and a senior fellow with Resources for the Future in Washington. She first joined the organization in 1993. She was an adjunct economics professor at Johns Hopkins University for nearly 20 years.'
asciilifeform: problemz!
asciilifeform: 'Macauley published dozens of journal articles on science and policy and received numerous awards for her work, she also testified before Congress 10 times, according to her curriculum vitae.'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ^ BLUE zone incidentally.
BingoBoingo: lol
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you feel like it, try and ferret out what macauley might have done to earn havingproblemz.
asciilifeform: could make for neato qntra piece.
BingoBoingo: I may have to
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500540 << omaigerd they're something!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-10 00:17 asciilifeform: snore.
asciilifeform: anybody wanna do the deed ? ( take that key, log in , see ... )
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: and omg this coffee's fabulous
mircea_popescu bought 1kg of costa rica ; kenya and sumatra. is having a taste off. jesus christ they're wunderbar.
asciilifeform still has not found the mythical wholly unburned coffee in usaschwitz
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500553 << it's the atlantic, gawker & rest of "mainstream" in their own minds crapolade. 1. "an event happened, here's what i was doing at that exact time : {picking my nose|wiping drool off chin|clicking through pictures of redditards / stuff cats wrote} ; 2. "here's why X real entity that doesn't give a shit about us ~might very well~ do Y thing that's only relevant in our context".☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-10 00:29 asciilifeform: 'Why the DAO robber could very well return the ETH on July 14th' << pass the lsd.
mircea_popescu: that's fucking it, 99.x% of the whole shebang and the rest consists of typographical errors.
mircea_popescu: some venues also publish "scientific research", but it's very much 2 : "here's what [known to be broken] statistical models said about [dubious, low sample] data : Y item only meaningful in our context may correlate to Z item only meaningful in our context!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i vaguely regret not finding this shop earlier, would have ladden the lot of you with real coffee.
mircea_popescu: it is in fact so good womandom voluntarily switched from filter to cooking by hand.
asciilifeform: i gotta fill a suitcase with that, on next tour
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500559 << shut up and take it bitch, you're famous now.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-10 00:30 asciilifeform: what are they looking for here.
asciilifeform: lel
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500569 << tornado hits for >9000 WIND damage, not FIRE damage. jeez. learn your pokemons!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-10 00:49 asciilifeform: why not i simply take all of my possessions and put in a pyre, pour petrol, light
asciilifeform: dun care which of the four alchemical elements, end is the same.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500575 << let me guess, this is really the washington-thinktank-gendarmerie plan getting rid of those pesky washington-local-thinktanks ? plan proceeding according to plan ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-10 00:53 asciilifeform: 'A 59-year-old woman who was a senior official at a Washington think-tank was fatally stabbed in Baltimore’s Roland Park neighborhood as she was walking her dogs Friday night, police said.'
asciilifeform: i got nuffin
mircea_popescu grinz
asciilifeform: spent all day in mothefucking open air zoo
asciilifeform: out a bumper
mircea_popescu: what's out a bumper ?
asciilifeform: bought 0 houses.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: car.
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry... you... lost a bumper that was attached to your car previously ?
asciilifeform: still attached, but nearing end of useful life
mircea_popescu: jesus they must be mixing some pretty strong cockroach powder in the smack these days, idiots stole the bumper instead of the wheels ?
mircea_popescu: ah
asciilifeform: long snorestory
mircea_popescu: k nm
BingoBoingo wants to here Snorey
asciilifeform: folx in monkeylandia drive like maniacs etc
BingoBoingo: AHA
mircea_popescu: hey, just because you don't drive well is no excuse to oppress teh muslim brotherhood!
asciilifeform: evidently
deedbot: [Qntra] Phuctor Finds RSA Collision In SSH Key Dump - http://qntra.net/2016/07/phuctor-finds-rsa-collision-in-ssh-key-dump/
asciilifeform: more interestingly, policeman refused to create paperworx
mircea_popescu: they can follow sixteen bodies moving in arbitrary directions on the basis of the FIFTH derivative of velocity! so nyah.
asciilifeform: asked 'which one of you shot? nobody? get outta me face'
asciilifeform: 'greek chorus' of angry white hobos, both sexes, raged, woman to cop: 'no wonder folks shoot you lot!111'
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/security/comments/4s3ef3/phuctor_finds_rsa_collision_in_ssh_key_dump/
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500581 << how about, usg lost the capacity to protect its underbelly ; http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-16#798049 and other flondor discussions, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-24#1211091 etc.☝︎☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-07-24 00:19 mircea_popescu: and i'll say this to assuage your doubts : i am the man who said "you are not safe, for we know where you live". a year and change later, reality has borne my saying : the entire usg employee list, leaked. etc.
a111: Logged on 2014-08-16 02:38 mircea_popescu: in short : your notion that sitting with the usg is safe and joining the rebels is dangerous is fundamentally broken. sitting with the usg is safe except if the rebels get the upper hand.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-10 01:01 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you feel like it, try and ferret out what macauley might have done to earn havingproblemz.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: neato, ty
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: yw
BingoBoingo: Sorry for your loss [bumper,prolly actually just bumper cover]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dunno that it ever much cared re underbelly, intern chix in dc have a certain popescuation rate for many years now
mircea_popescu: 59 yo. senior. congress coolie.
mircea_popescu: very underbelly.
asciilifeform: i'd still like to know how it earned the spot of honour
asciilifeform: of a good knife
BingoBoingo: Related the seekrit is out https://www.reddit.com/r/security/comments/4s1279/pok%C3%A9mon_go/
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "while working of a dump " << working off ? on ?
BingoBoingo: ty fxd to on
mircea_popescu: "suggesting that they may correspond to shitty DSL modems" << which may translate to shitty DSL modems
mircea_popescu: a man reportedly called 911 and when a police officer arrive at the << arrived
mircea_popescu: that peace in our time thing fucking delivers.
BingoBoingo: ty, fxd all
BingoBoingo: Seriously
BingoBoingo: Because whose it is it nao
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500560 << unmentioned point is that 000 went by so fast i saw 001 instead when watching☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-10 00:31 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-09#1500330 << this is approx as exciting as new year day.
mod6: i was able to get that 0.001 to the foundation into 420`000 :]
mod6: trb
mircea_popescu: wd
mircea_popescu: and in other sporting news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/4c97af0cb1fb835cc74215ee148a40d7/tumblr_nes7haFmxI1tmpumko1_500.jpg
hanbot: http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/#comment-118023 << mats mircea_popescu & anyone else following the courts circus awarding thingie.
mircea_popescu: that's a new one
mod6: right?
hanbot: well it *is* halving day
mod6: haha
BingoBoingo: The best jokes have a price
shinohai: 01:01 +BingoBoingo AH, what would halving day be without a netsplit! <<<bwahahaha
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/12ld
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: 'Investigators were digging into Johnson’s military history and are seeking to corroborate reports that he was sent home from Afghanistan after a woman lodged a complaint of sexual harassment against him in 2014, another federal law enforcement official said.'
mats: o good
mats: i'd like to see the documents related to his other than honorable discharge
mats: i think i can look at the transcript of the courts martial if i submit a foia
Framedragger: woohoo re. ssh keys :) good stuff. lol @ teh dsl provider.
mats: lol he lived with his mother
BingoBoingo: mats: So did Adam Lanza
deedbot: [Qntra] Meh Of The Week: Coinbase Can't Serve Canada - http://qntra.net/2016/07/meh-of-the-week-coinbase-cant-serve-canada/
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 640.86, vol: 3708.76598623 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 627.101, vol: 4856.0405 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 641.33, vol: 35638.29162886 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 664.66, vol: 0.22444484 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 645.093995, vol: 33620.95050000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 643.0, vol: 1384.80978332 | Volume-weighted last average: 642.062583131
shinohai: ty BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: yw,no ty
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-09#1500427 <<< so great are the lulz that they compare themselves to BArmstrong, who can't sell pretend Bitcoin to Pete.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-09 20:43 summerverbose: somewhere inbetween Dooglus and Brian Armstrong
shinohai: http://archive.is/Kozmr <<< is 7 hrs for *full* bc ?
mircea_popescu: so did steve jobs
mircea_popescu: shinohai the disadvantage of making popular things is that you become part of the "X like Y" mill.
mircea_popescu: the reason there isn't a "the northrop derpmann of toasters" is just that happenstance.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the reason there isn't a "the northrop derpmann of toasters" is just that happenstance. << There totally is. I will totally make a stealth toaster for anyone who brings pays 2.5 billion USD per unit straight from the printer.
BingoBoingo: Offer valid through October 2016
mircea_popescu: isn't it supposed to ding when your stealthoast is ready ?
BingoBoingo: Ding isn't very stealthy
mircea_popescu: ikr.
BingoBoingo: Also can't expose it to sunlight or heat lest stealth material start breaking down.
mircea_popescu: so it's for hunting spherical vacuum chickens ?|
BingoBoingo: Nah, its for toasting. Just not around Serbs (they'll shoot it down)
BingoBoingo: Determining what it will toast though is another 5 billion USD in development fees paid in advance.
mircea_popescu: lol
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500678 << heh you make it sound as though pete is buyer numba one of imaginary bitcoinz☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-10 14:56 shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-09#1500427 <<< so great are the lulz that they compare themselves to BArmstrong, who can't sell pretend Bitcoin to Pete.
shinohai: i was just ribbing pete for being Canadian
shinohai: No one wants Bryancoinz
asciilifeform: $s BArmstrong
a111: 3 results for "BArmstrong", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=BArmstrong
asciilifeform: who the hell was that
mircea_popescu: you know what a barn is right ?
mircea_popescu: barm similar, measure of bogon radioactivity.
asciilifeform: l0l!
mircea_popescu: hence the english "are you barmy ?"
asciilifeform: bogon cross-section!111
asciilifeform: (for n00bz: 'barn'
asciilifeform: is unit of area
mircea_popescu: 10 ^ -28 sqm
asciilifeform: originates with manhattan project, and american expression 'ya can't hit the broad side of a barn')
deedbot: [Qntra] Derp Summit At Bretton Woods Begins Today - http://qntra.net/2016/07/derp-summit-at-bretton-woods-begins-today/
asciilifeform: 'This collaboration will produce a model for bitcoin and blockchain-based companies that also addresses the concerns of regulatory entities.' << l0l!!
mircea_popescu: right. amusing how they carefully omit the only thing that matters in that sentence, the expression "YET ANOTHER" right before "model".
mircea_popescu: but by all means, keep pretendin' you're in control, twerps.
asciilifeform: but hey! this time they will use the magic of the magic forest!111
BingoBoingo: ANd they will all sit in a circlejerk and ski the dicks next to them
mircea_popescu: ah okthen.
mircea_popescu: that is totally not like how it went before.
BingoBoingo: Well that's how 1944 Bretton Woods work, through the bond created by touching all those other people's dicks.
BingoBoingo: Either that or Hitler really did get all the Jews
BingoBoingo: Or all the mercantile ones leaving just the depressing entertainer ones
mircea_popescu: he got the good ones
mircea_popescu: that's the fucking scary thing there - he got all the good jews, leaving some shitty jews to fill the void. it's ~exactly what the usg did to the us : killed the competent mobsters, now there's inexplicable problems.
mircea_popescu: in similar autoimmune-disorders-that-destroyed-countries, stalin wiped the russian mob ; inexplicably hruscev couldn't get the economy going, not ever again.
mircea_popescu: life.
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 420158 | Current Difficulty: 2.133989253313239E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 421343 | Next Difficulty In: 1185 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 15 hours, 29 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
shinohai: "I've made 4 sales, but one was to myself" http://archive.is/IsqUn
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is open bazaar "a young platform" ffs.
mircea_popescu: it's been around almost as long as "colored coins", which incidentally, where the fuck did those go.
mircea_popescu: don't tell me these idiocies DO actually die eventually.
BingoBoingo: They die in the same sense a dandelion "dies" when you pull it up with your hands. There's going to be a bit of herproot left and it may take a while, but it will return.
mircea_popescu: wunderbar.
BingoBoingo: Gotta remember idiocy lives in the dirt
BingoBoingo: If you cant see it at the moment it just hasn't gathered enough Nitardgen and phosboorous to attempt another surfacing yet
mircea_popescu: barmy.
BingoBoingo: Also like dandelions if you spray them with enough triclopyr to injur but not kill them, they will exhibit neoteny when they resurface.
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/07/pokemon-go-ushers-in-new-phase-of-smartphone-surveillance/#comment-63652
deedbot: [Qntra] "Pokemon Go" Ushers In New Phase Of Smartphone Surveillance - http://qntra.net/2016/07/pokemon-go-ushers-in-new-phase-of-smartphone-surveillance/
shinohai: heh
shinohai: ;;later tell trinque is there available a dump of deedbot wot? thanks in advance.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: cute little love notes in 420000
trinque: $wot
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/4eae0503-b4bc-4312-a142-e88385da67e8/
trinque: shinohai: ^
shinohai: ty!
mircea_popescu: that shit's so cool, you know ?
mircea_popescu: "hey, is there obscure item x ?" "$obscure-x"
mircea_popescu: smokin'.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-09#1500372 << yeah ok, good point..☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-09 17:31 BingoBoingo: <Framedragger> (some nice dump and pump BTCUSD volume it seems; curious how the price moves in the hours/days to come) << Watch not days, but months
deedbot: [Trilema] Eulorangement - http://trilema.com/2016/eulorangement/
mircea_popescu: $rated Framedragger
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated Framedragger 1 at 2016/05/18 09:29:41 << old timer
mircea_popescu: $rated Framedragger 2 Le ssh!
deedbot hands you a broomstick.
mircea_popescu: $rate Framedragger 2 Le ssh!
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/b61b2d3a-51e3-4fb7-b2b1-ae0f1032679b/
mircea_popescu: hater!
mircea_popescu: $v A34333A25A35DF2F9D5C6EB387554A65366294DDB7CCB01DEB4FB053DEA66D36
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of Framedragger from 1 to 2 << Le ssh!
Framedragger: heheh, cheers
Framedragger unsure how to rate mp, so will wait for the time being. "smart guy, runs things, unsure whether instrumentally delusional or i'm just failing to cognize fully"
Framedragger: "or both"
mircea_popescu plans to keep this dilemma going.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2016/06/tim-swanson-misunderstanda-reality-again/ << is that a memoranda of misunderstanda ?
mircea_popescu: hawk "it's" immitation...
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I mispelled the title initially, so url is mispelled forever even with title fixd
mircea_popescu: you can also fix the url.
mircea_popescu: wp (at least, mp-wp) will forever 304 the old requests to the new
BingoBoingo: Ah, but url integritit is important
mircea_popescu: i recently blew up a trilema title, someone pointed this out in the log, you can check the thing working there.
mircea_popescu: aite.
BingoBoingo: And anyways there's prolly a joke in ther that would be hampered if url was fxd
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500536 << yeah, hm. suggestions? a non-ad-hoc solution would be to make deedbot split its irc lines as needed i suppose; or for this particular case, not to mention the comment in the gpg key if it's too long, or to truncate it; or to consider shorter gpg comments for these ssh keys in the future i guess..☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-10 00:15 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-09#1500500 << no good. cuts off url
mircea_popescu: trinque how hard would it be for deedbot to put a \n before any url if the message would be cut in the url otherwise ?
deedbot: [Qntra] WAPO: Major US Socialist Party To Deploy Electoral Nuclear Option In Desperation - http://qntra.net/2016/07/wapo-major-us-socialist-party-to-deploy-electoral-nuclear-option-in-desperation/
ben_vulpes: no link to the wapost?
ben_vulpes: ah no, it's archived. my b
BingoBoingo: Yeah, why would I link directly to zher
BingoBoingo: http://oglaf.com/indoorfun/
shinohai: ---END OGLAFBOT MSG---
BingoBoingo: lol
shinohai: Qntra should have a Sunday comics section
jurov: re:oglaf - what does mircea_popescu do with the skulls?
asciilifeform: i always picture ashtray
asciilifeform: like stalin did.
mircea_popescu: isn't that what hitler said ? "what stalin did" ?
mircea_popescu: and in other highschool news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/6becb08236dc42fd03aba43304f8027d/tumblr_nr2yxmUYjH1r4hgvyo1_400.gif
asciilifeform: i dun recall hitler sayin' much in his ashtray form.
deedbot: [Daniel P. Barron] My Favorite EBBITS - http://danielpbarron.com/2016/my-favorite-ebbits/
BingoBoingo: In nearly forgoten news, qntra is now at 1301 poasts
asciilifeform switched 'can haz box?' exploration from bmore monkey zoo to woods, log cabins, etc.
BingoBoingo: Ah, congrats
asciilifeform: doubt it will come to any useful result, but worth the periodic try.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quote in der untergang, "alle hoheren offiziere liquidieren zu lassen, wie stalin!!!1"
asciilifeform: l0lk
jurov: no mention of Hirndeckel disposition?
mircea_popescu: no mention.
mircea_popescu: tho it is recorded most polish can be found at katyn
asciilifeform: phun phakt: there is a titanic katyn memorial thing in bmore
mircea_popescu: classically. modernly, where did they scatter that plane ? smolensk was it ?
asciilifeform: the one with the drunken, belligerent president ?
asciilifeform: or which
asciilifeform: (in pl circles, incident often referred to as 'katyn II')
mircea_popescu: president, most of the general staff, natl bank president, ex president, etc
asciilifeform: aha, putin's bad-weather rayz.
asciilifeform: great weapon.
mircea_popescu: i dunno man. seemed at the time and still seems today like polish suicide.
BingoBoingo: I'd rather my polish have a bit more grit than that.
jurov: http://imgur.com/I2GsQGE just saw today :)
jurov: "homoimperium" sounds like something i'd want to move in
danielpbarron: ;;later tell mircea_popescu gpg-gram : http://danielpbarron.com/church.asc.txt
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron good work. so the practical question here is, would you be personally interested in running a us tmsr church ?
mircea_popescu: jurov lol why are they dressed in gay suits ?!
danielpbarron: not if i have to seriously worship a false god or something. Or lie about worshipping one. If I have full control of the doctrine and what is taught (strictly The Bible, specifically as it is interpreted by Darwin Fish on atruechurch.info) then I might be interested
shinohai: but conjuring demons is fun.
mircea_popescu: well, on one hand certainly one can't have a church worshipping a false god ; as far as practice goes you can't have full control of the doctrine cuz it being a church, it has to have a metaphysical component.
danielpbarron: in the sense that God causes everything, nobody has "full control" over anything, but I mean my control vs yours or anyone in here -- say if you wanted me to teach something that contradicted The Bible
mircea_popescu: well... nothing right can contradict rigthness, all right things are one. so in principle they shouldn't.
jurov: you can always use the simulation loophole, like "even some atheists say that we live in simulated universe, so it's likely God saved cycles and really started the sim for 6400 years ago, and other things Bible says likewise"
shinohai: if elected as leader danielpbarron, do we have to worry about you using tmsr funds to build a giant ark, or anything of that sort? :D
mircea_popescu: but more practically : at issue is the theological consideration of whether [so far mostly unstated] tmsr.theological-doctrine actually does or does not contradict the form of christianity you were importing there
mircea_popescu: (with which i'm personally not too familiar)
mircea_popescu: exploring this a little will certainly be beneficial, if for no other reason then because it'll force statement of the foregoing
danielpbarron: shinohai, God promised us that He would never again destroy the world with a flood (Genesis 9:11) so no ark is necessary
mircea_popescu feels pretty flooded in buterins.
mircea_popescu: arguable i guess if it's actually destroying the world or just making it smell bad
shinohai: perfect rebuttal (and actual biblical logic!) danielpbarron
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron theology aside for a moment, there's three major components in my mind here.
danielpbarron: my form of Chistianity does not forbid: drinking, drugs, gambling, slavery -- but it does forbid: adultery (taking another man's wife), murder (unjustified killing), homosexuality (sorry jurov), fornication (probably the biggest sticking point)
mircea_popescu: one is that, well, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-03#1359593☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-01-03 13:08 mircea_popescu: but seriously - a dozen kegs is what ? nothing, for the finance almighty republic. get a dozen sluts to shirtoff with the kegs, it's a go.
mircea_popescu: next time something like that blows up, i'd much rather there's a whole church apparatus ready to go, rather than having to fish random people from portland for the purpose.
mircea_popescu: another is that, well, its a much better way to hold real estate than anything alf came up with to date. since he's decided he's not moving because he's ax-crazy or something, this is the logical next step
mircea_popescu: having a nice party house somewhere, free if you're in the wot sort of thing, can't hurt anyone.
mircea_popescu: and thirdly - you go to porcfest, right ? next time, you can go properly, set up a donation and ecumenic drive.
danielpbarron: heh
mircea_popescu: so, sensible it is. whether it's workable or not hopefully can be resolved.
Framedragger: jurov: heh. bible as a list of optimisation heuristics for simulating the 'verse
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron back to theology : it's one thing to forbid, it's another thing to enforce. does it also forbid, say, sitting in a room with "known fornicators" for instace ? up to a point it'll be their sin - their problem.
jurov: Framedragger: yeah, the fornication takes up most of teh precious cycles
danielpbarron: not for a time, but it's not ok to "have fellowship" with known sinners
mircea_popescu: how are they to be helped then ?
mircea_popescu: obviously teaching is fellowship.
Framedragger: jurov: clearly. too much irreducible qualia, or sth
danielpbarron: and yeah, obviously I'm not gonna enforce the death penalty for adultery and whatnot, just teach that it is wrong etc..
danielpbarron: I can't pray with known unbelievers. Teaching is ok.
mircea_popescu: i suspect much more serious sticking points will come the other way. specifically, i suspect tmsr to be a larger intellectual force than whosoever darwin fish is, as a temporal rather than spiritual matter. consequently, the sticking point will not be inferences from him limiting us, but inferences from us driving him up the wall. for instance, obvious possible sticking point being that in tmsr doctrine, it is a sin to engage
mircea_popescu: in "group" charity.
danielpbarron: Darwin invites criticism via email -- see his contact page :D
asciilifeform tunes in, takes in this very promising lulfest
mircea_popescu: well, but i mean what exactly is the relation there. does it matter to the symbol "a true church" what the person "darwin fish" says ? where exactly is your loyalty there or how does this work ?
mircea_popescu personally couldn't give less of a crap about the entire thing other than it being in danielpbarron 's wot.
danielpbarron: I agree with his interpretation, and have met him and his family in person
mircea_popescu: so if he tomorrow says white people must paint their skin black, do you follow or schism or what ?!
danielpbarron: I'd compare what he said to what The Bible says (i'm sure he'd cite chapter and verse) and if I didn't think it checked out I'd challenge him on it
mircea_popescu: so is your agreement to the interpretation the turning stone ?
danielpbarron: yeah, we must agree or else one or both of us is on our way to hell
mircea_popescu: suppose you figured out, entirely correctly as far as you can tell, and otherwise irreducibly in any manner, that indeed white people must paint black. and he says that's ridiculous. what do you do now, give it up ? give him up ?
danielpbarron: I'm not against changing my mind -- even recently thought I had to repent of something, although it turns out to have been a bit premature
mircea_popescu: so in the end, we've very little to work on here. do you figure this fellow could be enticed to show up here sometime ?
mircea_popescu: and meanwhile - all teh wot peoples, please do consider the matter to the outreach of your abilities. were there a tmsr theology, what'd it say and what'd it look like ? what wouldn't it say and what would it not look like ? and why and wherefore.
mircea_popescu: for that matter - CAN there even be such a thing.
mircea_popescu: traditionally this matter is approached by naming "a commission" but we're blessed with numbers low enough to have direct archy!
danielpbarron: heh, really hard to say. I haven't been keeping in contact with him at all. Come to think of it I'd want to ask him ahead of time if he thinks registering a church with the USG is against the Word or not (he's not a big fan of USG -- prolly a plus)
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron at the very least the devil can't testify. who cares what the usg thinks you've done, nobody's liable to ask it, nor may it likely acquire a voice without losing itself.
mircea_popescu: (this is yet another, if rather central, reason why plea bargains are so powerful, and http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/ ) : i couldn't give less of a shit what usg SAYS you did or didn't do or whatever. but if you say it yourself, well...
danielpbarron: I used that to my advantage in getting a traffic ticket dropped recently: the cop tried to get me to show remorse, I said nothing, prosecutor threw it out
mircea_popescu: heh
jurov: For one, i'd like to see aliens and Our Lady Eris in tmsr belief system. but sadly i don't think that would work.
BingoBoingo: Gotta have the struggle between the reptilians and avians in there.
BingoBoingo: prolly best told through the eternal war between ants and termites as a metaphor
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500777 << not hard; I'll do that☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-10 20:00 mircea_popescu: trinque how hard would it be for deedbot to put a \n before any url if the message would be cut in the url otherwise ?
trinque: and generally let it do multiple messages for any that would otherwise truncate
mircea_popescu: eh aliens. for the same money you can worship pacific islanders.
mircea_popescu: trinque well... kinda iffy if they get too long