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a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 03:28 phf: sina: could you explain the difference between how keylogger issue manifests in x11 vs. how
wayland prevents it, with some technical details?
a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 03:36 phf: see architecturally
wayland and x11 couldn't be more different. x11 supports a special network protocol that lets clients from different sources connect to the same instance of x. for example you can have a client from a different user on the same machine or a client from a network source (like over ssh)
a111: Logged on 2018-07-11 18:03 asciilifeform: trinque has : USE="libressl offensive -X -acl -bluetooth -consolekit -cups -dbus -iconv -nls -pulseaudio -systemd -
wayland -xattr"
trinque: USE="-dbus -systemd -
wayland -pulseaudio -gtk3 -icu -accessibility -nls -ipv6 -ldap" << with various in package.use
phf: well, in a sense that it's not a special wrong. they also run systemd and can't wait for
wayland etc. etc.
phf: yeah, it would've been neat if people carefully improved existing quality system instead of modernizing, alas. i hear
wayland also works!!1
a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 03:48 phf:
wayland "mitigates" keylogger issue by not fucking letting you start apps either as a remote user or ~even as a different user on same machine~
a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 03:36 phf: see architecturally
wayland and x11 couldn't be more different. x11 supports a special network protocol that lets clients from different sources connect to the same instance of x. for example you can have a client from a different user on the same machine or a client from a network source (like over ssh)
phf: so any
wayland app that has access to your
wayland session by the obvious implications can do the obvious thing: gpg encrypt all your files, steal all your passwords, and send compromising emails to all your friends, because as should be obvious that app has access to everything else you have access too oh my fucking god the level of retardation i can't even.
phf:
wayland "mitigates" keylogger issue by not fucking letting you start apps either as a remote user or ~even as a different user on same machine~
☟︎ phf: and this is where we come to
wayland phf: see architecturally
wayland and x11 couldn't be more different. x11 supports a special network protocol that lets clients from different sources connect to the same instance of x. for example you can have a client from a different user on the same machine or a client from a network source (like over ssh)
☟︎☟︎ phf: sina: could you explain the difference between how keylogger issue manifests in x11 vs. how
wayland prevents it, with some technical details?
☟︎ sina: at least
Wayland apps can't keylog other
Wayland apps like X can
sina: I got nothing against
Wayland.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-13 23:41 asciilifeform: from comments, lulzgold, 'The Hivemind is fully committed to systemd for service management,
Wayland for graphical display, and PulseAudio for audio, which is why it doesn’t matter if you personally find them distasteful, they will become the de facto standard. For systems programming, Rust looks increasingly like it will be the Hivemind’s choice to replace C, as it has the backing of the Mozilla organization, is being used for r
a111: Logged on 2016-04-22 12:42 phf: but freezing effectively implies lockstep freezing of the whole environment, to hardware. ("oh we deprecated x11, your code better support
wayland. oh this new video card only supports
wayland, since x11 is deprecated, etc."]
a111: Logged on 2016-04-12 23:01 asciilifeform: and iirc '
wayland' is one of those infuriating idiocies where 'want remote proggy? here's a DESKTOP, in a 1024x768 box'
phf: Enlightenment window manager is "fully committed to moving to
Wayland eventually as this is definitely the future of the graphical display layer on Linux." etc.
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455447 << i don't believe in this futureeither, it's orwell silly. but much more realistic is something like what i described above. you buy "current hardware", you can't boot foolinux, because need bios keys, need to boot redhat. redhat supports your video card, but only in
wayland, and the keyboard only works through modern-udev. both require vendor provided binary blobs. etc.
☝︎ phf: but freezing effectively implies lockstep freezing of the whole environment, to hardware. ("oh we deprecated x11, your code better support
wayland. oh this new video card only supports
wayland, since x11 is deprecated, etc."]
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-04-12 23:01 phf: freedesktop strategy is to create an abstraction layer on top of base tools that makes things "simpler", and then transparently switch the base. in this case value of gtk & sdl to wreckers is that they both operate on
wayland already. sdl seems somewhat sane but i wouldn't be surprised if gnome deprecates their X support at some point
phf: freedesktop strategy is to create an abstraction layer on top of base tools that makes things "simpler", and then transparently switch the base. in this case value of gtk & sdl to wreckers is that they both operate on
wayland already. sdl seems somewhat sane but i wouldn't be surprised if gnome deprecates their X support at some point
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-04-12 22:36 phf: speaking of walls and x11, i walked into a comment section of some "game ported to linux" post. guy opted for native xlib/opengl, so he got a wall full of "x11 is deprecated, everyone's moving to
wayland, use sdl2". ironically in the post itself he says " when searching for answers to questions that weren’t made quite clear in the documentation, often people that had the same questions I did received answers like ‘Use SDL’, or ‘Use GTK
phf: speaking of walls and x11, i walked into a comment section of some "game ported to linux" post. guy opted for native xlib/opengl, so he got a wall full of "x11 is deprecated, everyone's moving to
wayland, use sdl2". ironically in the post itself he says " when searching for answers to questions that weren’t made quite clear in the documentation, often people that had the same questions I did received answers like ‘Use SDL’, or ‘Use GTK
☟︎ relaxedman: Still trying to get this gentoo install going(openbsd wouldn't support my gfx card no money to buy a new one) its n6, varia, but stuck on getting a window manager all the guides want me to change profiles. also not sure how
wayland fits in any ideas?