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asciilifeform: phf: and wasn't 'week ago', but year + 3mo ago, when i took delivery of the 2 raw ivories. ☟︎
asciilifeform: phf: i aint proposing to put the thing on ftp as-is. ☟︎
asciilifeform: phf: i for one have nfi how being in the position of schneier, sitting on the snowden stash, dun bother you any
asciilifeform: phf won't even be the 1st or only informant.
asciilifeform: phf: i dun need to post 'the dump' with the bloody yellow dots.
asciilifeform: phf: note that you aren't being asked to send yer source to guillotine.
asciilifeform: phf: we currently have FG not the least bit because in '16, mircea_popescu said to asciilifeform 'you are wasting my time, where is product' so asciilifeform took little vacation and , magic!, there it was. i dun regret this. consider maybe also vacation ?
asciilifeform: phf: even material that doesn't ~directly~ relate to subj, can be of use, e.g. what they burned PALs with, etc
asciilifeform: and phf's friend радистка Кет can keep her head attached.
mircea_popescu: phf i expect the accumulated value of the whole pile of "secrets" is about 0. and i further expect the entire value of the whole bolix stack neatly approximates the value of my stock of pogos. ☟︎
asciilifeform: phf: if dump weighs TB and (apparently) after whole year phf still not eaten it, might make sense to pgp to asciilifeform . i'ma not post the raw docs and their yellowdots. ☟︎
asciilifeform: phf: iirc you 1st mentioned these goodies 1y + month ago...
asciilifeform: phf: if you have 'friend stuck behind nazi lines will lose head if it comes out that he gave me docs', there are ways to work around this.
asciilifeform: phf: i'd much rather do this wurk ~with~ phf, than without. could make coupla yrs of diff. but gotta understand what 'with' constitutes.
mircea_popescu: phf the yellow dots is specifically a reference to http://qntra.net/2017/06/reality-winner-arrested-for-leaking-to-omidyar-and-greenwalds-fake-qntra/
asciilifeform: phf: will be e.g. 'anonymous informant gave me pinout, and so here it is in .txt form..'
asciilifeform: phf: also feel free to pgp to asciilifeform , i dun even mind to promise that strictly the clone will end up on the net.
mircea_popescu: phf this is the republic not the guardian ; there's no yellow dots.
asciilifeform: phf: so what was it, you promised 'i'ma only leak the bits re ivory' ?
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 18:26 asciilifeform: phf i'm pretty curious how you got the fella to spill.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-18 22:40 asciilifeform: phf srsly what gives ? wai not just post the uncensored dump. dks certainly aint coming to moscow to shit in your air conditioner.
asciilifeform: phf i'm pretty curious how you got the fella to spill. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 19:44 asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf turns out i was wrong re the rom, the rom-shaped object is actually a 1980s 'programmable event timer' thingie, am2971adc
asciilifeform: phf: or gpggram to asciilifeform whole thing, and i'ma post with black flag proudly flying.
asciilifeform: phf srsly what gives ? wai not just post the uncensored dump. dks certainly aint coming to moscow to shit in your air conditioner. ☟︎
asciilifeform: so far i can't even seem to convince phf to post that magic doc.
asciilifeform: phf: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bolix/bolix_peek_back.jpg , goes with the earlier
asciilifeform: phf: i fear that it'll take an entire weekend to go through the pics ( plux i wanna redo whole thing with a tripod and macro lens, and the latter i gotta find ) , but to whet appetite, have a http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bolix/bolix_peek.jpg
asciilifeform: speaking of this, phf earlier today i got those pics, and then peeled with knife the PAL,GAL labels and write what was under
a111: Logged on 2018-12-18 12:06 phf: it's certainly a dodgy, bottom of the barrel choice of venue though..
a111: Logged on 2018-12-18 12:05 phf: with an unwavering "because god said so right here" position.
asciilifeform: phf: relatedly, uncrated that 'scsi2sd' thing last night, will photo also when i get it connected
asciilifeform: phf: he answrd specifically re the 'macivory'. but i havent seen inside his treasurechest, so cannot say if he is mistaken and lost it
a111: Logged on 2018-12-18 11:41 phf: asciilifeform: i'm pretty sure he doesn't have PAL sources in digital form, and if he does, i think it's purely accidental i.e. there are source files on some tape or some drive, but i don't think he'll be able to find them from memory
asciilifeform: phf: and yes i'ma post 25mpixel shots of top, bottlm, ditto for daughterboard, and full chip id with links to datashits
asciilifeform: phf: apologies for slow, but i havent, believe or not, popped the thing yet
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 17 hours and 5 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> didja ever try asking dks for PAL src's ?
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf didja ever try asking dks for PAL src's ?
asciilifeform: grr perhaps phf will recall when wakes up.
asciilifeform: phf: the 2nd link contains dks patches
asciilifeform: phf: quite possibly, hoarders
asciilifeform: phf: i got 1 of those here, lol
asciilifeform: phf: damned if i know. in as far as i can tell, the entire 'user komyoonity' consists of asciilifeform , phf, and a dozen http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693150 's ☝︎
asciilifeform: phf: came as complete kit
asciilifeform: in other noose, phf , mircea_popescu , et al, the bolix is here. dks packs a++ , princely, all parts on manifest , and kilometre of bubbles. will post photos as soon as i wrap up my albatross of this week, ch14
asciilifeform: phf: i am thinking, instead of burning time on emulating 'nubus' and ancient crapple, when working (from mac-side pov) clone exists i'ma drive it directly via onboard ft2232hl or similar ( the mac-side src , i've had for yrs, and it's quite straightforward re what is done to the card; once i know what specifically happens on the card when nubus regs are written, may as well do it from pc directly to/from the ivory cpu via usb-to-5v-f
asciilifeform: phf: socketed
asciilifeform: phf: when thought about it, realized it was mistake : gotta find what the external-to-cpu logic on that thing actually does
asciilifeform: phf: my current plan for that box is , roughly, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-13#1880521 ☝︎
asciilifeform: phf: defo will have to xray, but thought 'oh hey possibly phf's material will give sumthing to correct against'
asciilifeform: btw phf i hate to repeat meself but am i ever gonna see that bolixgem you dug up, or will i have to get whole thing from xray
asciilifeform: oh hey interesting phf
asciilifeform: ( i dun recall if the 'xl' actually could be fed 256MB, possibly phf knows )
asciilifeform: phf may find interesting , that this 'macivory' happens to be the one with no weitek. which normally would be a sad, but in my case is gold, from my pov the weitek is just extra crud to emulate
mircea_popescu: phf the folk fairness you think of is purely eastern. western fairness was always female-driven, and socialistically flavoured.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dunned to 'rewrite x', e.g. phf has perfectly working framebuffer-only box nao
asciilifeform: phf et al ^
asciilifeform: phf: i fucking hate ------------'s
a111: Logged on 2018-12-06 21:19 phf: they are sf houses, for a large family, or 5 roommates (+ their poorer, semi permanently present partners). they have small-ish backyards, where you can have a small coup
asciilifeform: phf: lol! where'd they keep'em? on balcony?!
diana_coman: phf, I saw it! repeatedly even
asciilifeform: phf: fwiw i bought 5 types of sprat in ro, and only 1 was up to spec, and even that -- barely
diana_coman: phf, thanks!
asciilifeform: lol why ty phf .
diana_coman: asciilifeform, phf I've signed ch4 and ch5 of ffa: http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/#selection-555.0-593.39
ben_vulpes: i long ago gave up on the notion that i'd be working on anything approaching techne in american corpistan; but to wail about it instead of ekeing some amount of capital out seems fruitless. lessons of Mocky and phf instructive here.
asciilifeform: phf, mircea_popescu : whether orig src/ns masks/etc lost or not, i dun expect ever to ~see~'em. hence 'reverse with available iron' being the only approach that has chance of working.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-05 02:24 phf: the hypothesis though is not "they lost everything", it's rather that they all have a handful of what they were told were gold chests by people who can actually recognize gold. when poking at contents stuff seems vaguely gold like, so they hold to it hoping to cash it in, never really "having time" to go to an appraiser.
asciilifeform: phf: the 'understanding of the arch' is the sticking point
asciilifeform: phf: at the risk of repeating , i dun really buy the 'they lost errything' hypothesis. e.g. as late as '98, the docs req'd to bake the alpha-based emulator, evidently existed
asciilifeform: phf: did you actually pack that xl ?! thing weighs, what, 50kg?
asciilifeform: phf: re adhoc protocol, it's laid out pretty well, surprisingly, in genera/distribution/sys/embedding/macivory/interface-support ( on the magic iso )
asciilifeform: phf: funnily enuff, i did the gnarl of the bus already, during (aborted) proj for dks where he asked 'make me a replacement crapple mem expander board for nubus'
asciilifeform: congrats phf
asciilifeform: ty , phf , lobbes , et al
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 8 hours and 40 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> i am considering to actually buy the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877988 artifact ; cuz i've come to the conclusion that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875722 experiment pretty much requires access to a working unit. otherwise asciilifeform risks a repeat of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-11#1624964 nonsense
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 1 day, 9 hours, and 1 minute ago: <asciilifeform> loox like dks is selling another! 'ivory' on lulzbay >> https://archive.is/Bkm8E
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 6 days, 6 hours, and 6 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> turns out i was wrong re the rom, the rom-shaped object is actually a 1980s 'programmable event timer' thingie, am2971adc
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 6 days, 6 hours, and 9 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> i did finally turn up a high-res (enuff to read the ic labels) shot of ivory2; http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ivory2.jpg << mirrored.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 19:41 asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf i did finally turn up a high-res (enuff to read the ic labels) shot of ivory2; http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ivory2.jpg << mirrored.
asciilifeform: and hah, loox like dks is also selling a https://www.ebay.com/itm/Symbolics-XL401-lisp-workstation-with-Genera-8-3/113419020606 ( phf-style machine ) nao . it is not however fit for the experiment, much moar complex board ( given as it's a standalone box )
a111: Logged on 2017-03-11 00:14 asciilifeform: phf, incidentally, do you know that i blew MONTHS, if you add it up, possibly most of a year of life, sawing open 'snap4' genera in ida ?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 16:26 phf: asciilifeform: before you agree to a decap, give me some more time to get you the docs, maybe they'll be enough to get things going. i'd hate to lose an ivory to get some pretty but useless pictures, i'd rather it fry on a breadboard in the process of directed discovery
a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 16:48 asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf loox like dks is selling another! 'ivory' on lulzbay >> https://archive.is/Bkm8E
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf i am considering to actually buy the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877988 artifact ; cuz i've come to the conclusion that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875722 experiment pretty much requires access to a working unit. otherwise asciilifeform risks a repeat of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-11#1624964 nonsense ☝︎☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 18:40 asciilifeform: phf: interestingly, http://www.loper-os.org/?cat=51 is example of useful (if you will) proggy written 100% in standard cl
asciilifeform: ( there is also phf's www-displaying one, but that one isn't a system proggy or published as such )
asciilifeform: afaik there are currently 3 working ( i.e. with keccak format ) vtrons , v.py ( as patched by phf ) , v.pl ( patched by diana_coman ) and esthlos
a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 15:33 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877907 << my orig proof-of-concept v.py did not Do Right Thing on multiple branches in some tree shapes ( iirc phf orig discovered this effect, yrs ago ) , prolly i oughta rewrite the relevant piece , given as some folx other than asciilifeform apparently still want to use v.py
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf loox like dks is selling another! 'ivory' on lulzbay >> https://archive.is/Bkm8E ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877907 << my orig proof-of-concept v.py did not Do Right Thing on multiple branches in some tree shapes ( iirc phf orig discovered this effect, yrs ago ) , prolly i oughta rewrite the relevant piece , given as some folx other than asciilifeform apparently still want to use v.py ☝︎☟︎
spyked: ^ phf, could pl0x add patches in http://lucian.mogosanu.ro/src/botworks/v/ to http://btcbase.org/patches ?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 22:19 asciilifeform: phf: 'Собрал царь зверей всех животных в лесу на поляне и говорит: - Cегодня мы будем трахать тех, у кого рот маленький. Правильно ежик? - Даааааа-Даааааа! - сказал ежик. - А завтра мы будем трахать тех, у кого рот большой. Правильно бегемот? -
a111: Logged on 2018-11-29 19:24 asciilifeform: on other front, phf : on occasion of the most recent bolix thread , i went and looked again at the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771955 artifact ; it is interesting that they provided 128 iron types, incl. bignum, but not a 'bignum of fixed N words'. i guess in '80s ~nobody was thinking of crypto at all. ( and i was prolly unduly pessimistic to the orig finder of $item, it is prolly 95% of what's needed for cycle-accurate clone.
asciilifeform: it is on moldy papers. and iirc phf even has been to where.
asciilifeform: iirc phf ( and apparently nobody else ) has the actual pinout, but iirc it is on a tape or the like and he hasn't posted yet
diana_coman: asciilifeform, phf my sig for ffa ch3: http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/#selection-513.0-513.24
a111: Logged on 2017-05-10 21:29 phf`: i'm rewriting everything that asciilifeform is releasing in Ada in Rust, because it's secure AND modern!
asciilifeform: on other front, phf : on occasion of the most recent bolix thread , i went and looked again at the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771955 artifact ; it is interesting that they provided 128 iron types, incl. bignum, but not a 'bignum of fixed N words'. i guess in '80s ~nobody was thinking of crypto at all. ( and i was prolly unduly pessimistic to the orig finder of $item, it is prolly 95% of what's needed for cycle-accurate clone. ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: arguably it is better to be '100% theoretical' and have 'workshop' that fits in briefcase, as e.g. phf does