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trinque: shinohai: are you trying to compile for the pogo, or *on* the pogo?
shinohai: If anyone gets rotor to successfully build on the pogo, please, by all means contact me.
trinque: though I suppose in terms of hardware support (pogo, so on) it does better.
shinohai: I like everything except this goddamned pogo. If I had gasoline in the house I'd set it afire this very moment.
shinohai: I'm going to try the pogo build with rotor again later this evening. So everyone wish me luck.
shinohai: I was trying to do a stator pogo build on Debian.
shinohai: I found out that building on the pogo i an exercise in futility.
ascii_field: don't bother ever trying to build anything ~on~ pogo
shinohai: This I am supposed to do on the pogo itself?
asciilifeform: this way it will magically get onto any buildroot-linux that is built (e.g., pogo)
shinohai: I'll help test as always mod6, in between this pogo crash-course I am doing
ascii_field: shinohai: there is not, presently, a working bitcoind for the pogo buildroot that is made by the recipe linked earlier.
shinohai: build bitcoind for pogo of course
shinohai: but the buildroot I got has no "pogo" folder
shinohai prays danielpbarron will release a prebuilt stator binary for pogo
shinohai: Besides pogo, which I can't get to work at all
shinohai: asciilifeform: buildroot-2015.02/board/pogo/pogo/linux.config <<< no such file or directory T_T
mats: I vaguely remember someone mentioning experimenting with pogo and hybrid hard drive
shinohai: Every build I have tried so far has been smooth *except* for the pogo, pirate warnings be damned.
shinohai: I'm actually following asciilifeform 's excellent tea advice today while doing pogo research. On my second pot already.
shinohai: @ asciilifeform is there a stator binary available for pogo anywhere?
asciilifeform: i didn't even discover the pseudostaticity of 'pseudostatic' bin until attempted a pogo run
ben_vulpes: and gradations between pogo and "to ml"
decimation: pogo has inactive rtc?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208406 << same as pogo. both - absent ☝︎
asciilifeform: it will go just as pogo went.
asciilifeform: at any rate, it still wins ram-wise over pogo, with it on
danielpbarron: this is from my 0.5.3.1-beta on pogo
asciilifeform: also same as pogo.
asciilifeform: same as pogo
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, jurov, et al: soldered pogo-style ttl serial probe to the 'miracast'. this yielded a straight root shell in ~5 seconds after powerup.
shinohai: Buying a pogo with btc that was on my 0.5.3. node was kinda cool too.
shinohai: It's nice being the first guy to destroy a SATA installing arch on a pogo
mod6: haha, pogo chat server?
shinohai: pogo is on hold until I get an ssd, still is a great chat server
trinque: been wanting to make my pogo do something
mod6: i think the arm/pogo stuff is going to be have to be tested separately perhaps.
trinque: mod6: I've got an opteron box, pogo, i7, obsd i386, off the top of my head
mod6: <+shinohai> mod6: is your stator on a pogo? << nope
shinohai: mod6: is your stator on a pogo?
asciilifeform: mod6: same cost as pogo - the castrato sata-less one - yes. but recall that pogo is a dwindling non-renewable resource
asciilifeform: but it's a linux box, slightly faster than 'pogo'
mod6: sure, but about same cost as pogo?
ascii_field: also turns out that the other pogo (the one still in print) has internal sata
ascii_field: did you remove the dust cover from the pogo ?
ascii_field: no such jack in pogo
ascii_field: http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/electronics/networkstorage/pogo/B005GM1Q1O/B006I5MKZY-interfaces-08l.jpg
ascii_field: pogo has no msata
jurov: back to pogo, all mSATA drives i see are 5-6cm long and impossible to fit inside
jurov: ^ just found this pogo sibling. but nowhere they say how much mem does it have
ascii_field: speaking of all of this, i realized not long ago that one could easily do a 'pogo' for some shitablet or other
mircea_popescu: "pogo responds to magic packet on port X by sending over the iso"
shinohai: i havent built a staic stator on pogo yet
ascii_field: point is not only to test pogo build and get musl in, but also it is useful to have a rom-able pc realbitcoinotron
mircea_popescu: so in principle, we're this close to a pogo binary ?
trinque: yeah, neat. I just fired up my own pogo today
shinohai: so i am stalled, but it is a hell of a device, this pogo
shinohai: danielpbarron was down the day i got my pogo of all days.
shinohai: meanwhile my pogo is running smooth: I've been connected to mpex.btc for 1 week, 4 days, 2 hours, 31 minutes, and 6 seconds.
shinohai 's pogo is very happy so far.
danielpbarron: my pogo is currently -connect'd to ascii's thing, now is getting blocks in a reasonable timeframe
cazalla: poor pogo must be getting desperate.. offering 30Gb for free now https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/202943
ascii_field: what's in the pogo ?
danielpbarron: yes it is a pogo, and it's not syncing from any particular node
ascii_field: this was a pogo ?
kakobrekla: pogo has trouble keeping up with real-time?
mircea_popescu: this way, our nonstandard behaviour can at least be excused, nodes will continue to peer us for economic reasons, and your dream fo someday someone mining off a pogo may come closer.
mircea_popescu: so, how about, something like this : 1. pogo acquires max memory to be used for tx pool ; 2. pogo accepts txn into this until full ; 3. pogo calculates per byte value for eacxh accepted txn ; 4. pogo accepts new txn only if their per-byte value constitutes an increase to its pool ; 5. pogo keeps a score on all nodes ir EVER SAW, by IP! as to what txn it sent : -so much for sending unacceptable txn, + so much for sendin
assbot: Logged on 14-07-2015 14:57:48; asciilifeform: pogo is going nowhere until we have a mempool limit mechanism.
danielpbarron: on a pogo the answer is a few minutes
funkenstein_: ok pogo is a different story again.. for me broadcasting a tx is not as time important usually as your needs i bet
jurov: how? pogo will not have wallet nor block explorer
assbot: Logged on 14-07-2015 14:57:48; asciilifeform: pogo is going nowhere until we have a mempool limit mechanism.
asciilifeform: pogo is going nowhere until we have a mempool limit mechanism. ☟︎☟︎
shinohai: experimental pogo landing page: http://i.imgur.com/fXrKnMe.png?1
asciilifeform: so it doesn't end up like pogo, with my desk having the only such for months
ascii_field: but the point stands - after several months of on and off searching, i did find a box which 1) is less than 2x cost of 'pogo' 2) very close in cpu and has NOT LESS ram than pogo 3) available in virtually unlimited quantities for the foreseeable future
ascii_field: slightly costlier than pogo; comparable specs; would need a mechanical adapter for usb drive
ascii_field: and is price-comparable with pogo
phf: ascii_field: autorotators exist because people don't know how to syslog mostly. i.e. you build a syslog demon based on the constraints of your system, i.e. on pogo might just be busybox's syslog, that does rudimentary truncation. elsewhere syslog writes to postgresql or whatever
ben_vulpes: is disabling logs on the pogo not an adequate solution for you?
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: turn it off on the pogo. they're fire and forget, are they not?
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: i'm all ears re: an alternative that doesn't turn my 5MB pogo rom into 10
punkman: doesn't pogo have logrotate or anything already?
asciilifeform: one more MB of shit for pogo rom ?
asciilifeform: (iirc my pogo build does not)
mircea_popescu: yes, you can't run satoshi dice off a pogo.
ascii_field: at any rate, if you really must have rng on pogo for some perverse reason, can do it right now
ascii_field: 'bad entropy' is easy: the kind which the enemy can cut you off from by silencing your net connection; or the kind he can guess some bits of, by watching packets (no interrupt source in pogo is in any sense entropic other than the NIC's)
ascii_field: Xiaomi Router sells 7620-based routers for ~25-35 usd, with usb jacks (but 128m ram, as pogo)
ascii_field: http://wrtnode.com << now only a factor of ~2 away from pogo bang/bux
shinohai: but i goofed somewhere and my static build isn't very static on the pogo.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> pogo cannot see the sun! << i hazard that pogo is not the thing
danielpbarron: also, BingoBoingo's proposed change to 0.001 of the minrelayfee is very handy for keeping pogo synced
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: when carrying out this experiment, please remember that pogo HAS NO RNG
danielpbarron: idk if anyone else had tried this already, but I sent some bitcoin to an address created by 0.5.3.1-beta on my pogo, and I think I have successfully sent it all back out but bc.i doesn't want to admit my transaction exists yet
assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 15:07:02; asciilifeform: can be attached to the gpio in pogo
shinohai: pogo is up mats \o/
asciilifeform: like pogo..
mircea_popescu: they are kept in warehouse for same reasdon you want untouched pogo