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mircea_popescu: o.O
pete_dushenski: http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2015/04-overflow/20150424_china.jpg << direct link
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1M7877s )
punkman: looks shopped
trinque: screen is kinda bright for outside eh?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199825 << not all greeks wanted to live in a natoreich zoo, aha. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-07-2015 23:56:35; punkman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Organization_17_November#Victims
trinque: otoh china is smoghell
mircea_popescu: punkman anyway, terrorism's useless for this purpose.
mircea_popescu: gotta convict them to be beheaded, along with the entire fambly, through plain legal proceedings.
mircea_popescu: then carry it out.
punkman: gonna be a long wait for that
mircea_popescu: i guess so.
punkman: the terrorists never did much anyway, firebomb here and there every few weeks for a while
punkman: very few casualties
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37701 @ 0.00053428 = 20.1429 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.info/fm30-31b/FM30-31B.htm << relevant historical mega-l0l
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HErFsD )
mircea_popescu: iirc they killed some cia dude then tapered off after that
asciilifeform: (Official Truth holds that 'field manual 30-31b' is a ru forgery)
punkman: CIA station chief was their first one, then they killed some people in the 80s
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46399 @ 0.00054175 = 25.1367 BTC [+] {4}
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/cia-FM30-31B.htm << moar re: same.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HEs5z8 )
pete_dushenski: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 291.05, Best ask: 291.48, Bid-ask spread: 0.43000, Last trade: 291.28, 24 hour volume: 74167.38437043, 24 hour low: 281.5, 24 hour high: 312.0, 24 hour vwap: None
punkman: "the Baris journalist who had come into the possession of FM 30-31B disappeared and was never heard of again"
punkman: but it's totally a soviet forgery
asciilifeform: 'The Pentagon document first surfaced in Turkey in 1973 where the newspaper Baris in the midst of a whole range of mysterious acts of violence and brutality which shocked the Turkish society announced the publication of a secretive US document. Thereafter the Baris journalist who had come into the possession of FM 30-31B disappeared and was never heard of again. Despite the apparent danger Turkish Colonel Talat Turhan two year
asciilifeform: s later published a Turkish translation of the top-secret FM 30-31 and revealed that in Turkey NATO’s secret stay-behind army was codenamed “Counter-Guerrilla” directed by the Special Warfare Department. From Turkey the document found its way to Spain where in 1976 the newspaper Triunfo, despite heavy pressures to prevent the publication, published excerpts of FM 30-31B upon the fall of the Franco dictatorship. In Italy
asciilifeform: on 27 October 1978 excerpts of FM 30-31B were published by the political magazine L'Europeo, whereupon the printed issues of the magazine were confiscated. The breakthrough for the document came arguably not in the 1970s, but in the 1980s, when in Italy the secret anticommunist P2 Freemason lodge of Licio Gelli was discovered. Among the documents seized by the Italian police ranged also FM 30-31B. The Italian parliamentary inv
asciilifeform: estigation into P2 decided to publish FM 30-31B in the appendix of the final public parliamentary report on P2 in 1987.'
asciilifeform read the whole thing and observes that if it is a scam, it is a very high quality scam
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112852 @ 0.00054015 = 60.957 BTC [-]
trinque: someday... it's going to be either the longest or shortest trial there ever was
asciilifeform: who will try these folks? martians ?
asciilifeform: or 'the beoble' ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94600 @ 0.00054542 = 51.5967 BTC [+] {4}
trinque: who knows what the future will bring
mircea_popescu: nothing is ever more common than the delusional notion that "these people" will escape.
mircea_popescu: it hasn't yet occured to date anyone did escape.
mircea_popescu: yet it hasn't yet occured to date anyone skipped on the "impossibru" sauce, either.
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> it hasn't yet occured to date anyone did escape. << if 'escape' means 'die of old age, not beheading, and pass throne to successor' than hardly any of 'these people' ever ~did not~ escape..
asciilifeform: am i thick or what. i dun get it
mircea_popescu shrugs.
trinque: uk ruled the whole world; look at them now
trinque: from where I sit they got theirs
asciilifeform: anglos still rule their reich
asciilifeform: just a different branch of family tree
asciilifeform: smooth change of management, w/out skipping a beat
trinque: maybe so, and maybe someone will say that's still true of the next thing
mircea_popescu: someone will definitely say that.
mircea_popescu: easiest thing in the world to say, after all.
asciilifeform: ^ incidentally, this touches on what imho was the major reason for the appeal of the soviet offering in the 'turd world.'
asciilifeform: namely, that, whatever else could be said about it,
asciilifeform: no one could confuse it with the anglo offerings.
mircea_popescu: no shortage of the confused.
asciilifeform: who and where ?
BingoBoingo: Kicks, further documented http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2643
assbot: JL: Entitlement Based Aggression ... ( http://bit.ly/1HEvcr1 )
mircea_popescu: "This has become the case with many white employees in retain food establishments who spend their shifts being harangued, threatened and demeaned by hate-spewing black customers who typically spend more on groceries in a visit than many retail food employees make in two weeks. Being a white employee in a city supermarket is like being a peasant on a medieval lord’s land."
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is this a race issue ?
mircea_popescu: servants getting uppity ffs. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: guy's got money and you're the clerk. go suck his fucking cock omfg.
asciilifeform: because when the colours are reversed, 'omg111!!111!!1' r4c1sm!!
mircea_popescu: of course being an employee in a supermarket is being a peasant on a lord's land. that is EXACTLY what it is.
mircea_popescu: also exactly what it should be.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform heh mkay, let's fix stupid by being stupid the other way!!1
trinque: #killallmen
mircea_popescu: wtf's next, we're all equal to the supermarket bozo and #holdhands ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, petty supermarket hostility bs. guy has better posts imo.
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mircea_popescu: i suppose he doesn't know this, but hey, his loss.
trinque: god damn that cat in the sandal is hilarious
trinque: 4th time opening it
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/2015cd0f31424b30b7022c8ac229cefa/tumblr_n82k4dCqBH1t0jb24o1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HEwemN )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00051702 = 15.614 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> anyway, petty supermarket hostility bs. guy has better posts imo. << Supermarket guy is rightly in a low place. Welafare orcs excessively elevated. It's this sort of mess that will take Aztalan all the way to Long Island.
mircea_popescu: i dunno dude, seems nuts to me. some derp wishes to justify his being an asshole to some woman on the grounds of wide reaching sociodynamics ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12015 @ 0.00052569 = 6.3162 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: what, he's a faitful soldier in the war of whitehood against the evil blacks through not holding the door to some woman ?
mircea_popescu: some people are born to die on plastic carpeting under fluorescent lights srsly.
BingoBoingo: Dude seems rather obviously nuts, but it seems a symptom of the larger American decay.
mircea_popescu: there was some random retard of equivalent potency i loled at the expense of on trilema. this one was on a trip about how he "is trying to live to the server's expectations" or some shit in a restaurant.
mircea_popescu: the issues people have in their own heads, when those heads are squarely devoid of anything worthwhile...
mircea_popescu: hanbot do you recall which article that was ?
asciilifeform: from my reading, this is one of those 'nouveau poor', if you will. the absolute most abjectly miserable thing to be in usistan.
mircea_popescu: FOR HIS SINS
mircea_popescu: he's supposed to go "i'm a fuckwad of a lifeform, and not only i deserve every bit of the shit i get, but if i keep course there's going to be more"
asciilifeform: folks with no experience of 'orcraft', of navigating that world, and having all the 'wrong' 'branded on the tongue' class markers, habits, etc. which set the buggers off
mircea_popescu: not this retarded "blacks made me be stupid and lousy" nonsense
mircea_popescu: asshole comes from a three generations line of jwz "i only wanted to...", and now he doesn't like the just dessers ?
mircea_popescu: fuck him.
mircea_popescu: should have beheaded tsipras when he had the chance.
asciilifeform: beheaded hamilton.
mircea_popescu: whosoever.
asciilifeform: (the actual plot of a famous 'alt-history' in usa)
mircea_popescu: lincoln, really, but anyway.
asciilifeform: 'the probability broach'
asciilifeform: was even turned into a comic book..
asciilifeform: http://www.bigheadpress.com/tpbtgn << now phree on publisher's www.
assbot: Big Head Press - Thoughtful Stories, Graphic Novels Online And In Print - The Probability Broach: The Graphic Novel, by L. Neil Smith and Scott Bieser ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZrrkg )
asciilifeform: pretty lulzy
BingoBoingo: Millions of noveau poor USians emerge from school every year disadvantaged because they went to "good" schools in the suburbs that insulated them from orcraft
mircea_popescu: i thought us supermarkets all have those sliding autodoors anyway, specifically to deal with the ever growing social awkwardness of usians.
trinque: sucks to be them; I went to those shitty suburban schools too
asciilifeform: doors - sop
asciilifeform: but the people still meet.
mircea_popescu: the fucking problems to have, seriously.
mircea_popescu: they're in kindergarten, there's no other way to look at it.
mircea_popescu: they're in kindergarten and they're whacking each other over the head with the cubes.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> they're in kindergarten and they're whacking each other over the head with the cubes. << Seriously can't even have a good riot
mircea_popescu: anyway, alf's point re the recent poor is well taken
mircea_popescu: what i don't understand is why do they take it out on the blacks ffs.
mircea_popescu: THEY are to blame, for having believed bush or whoever the fuck they believed.
trinque: because they're there, and different
trinque: nothing more
mircea_popescu: in any case, the blacks WERE THERE
asciilifeform: they will take it out on themselves once a hitler shows up to help with this process.
mircea_popescu: like, before. and for that matter, know the terrain a lot better.
mircea_popescu: i suppose these are the same typically retarded usians that go to india and blame the indians for their inability to dowhatever X they wish to do.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what i don't understand is why do they take it out on the blacks ffs. << noveau poor envies the comforts of the old poor
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo has it
mircea_popescu: not like black dude cold-called you and persuaded you to be poor, motherfuckar!
mircea_popescu: it was your state senator, go talk to him.
asciilifeform: usa was a very different-flavoured place under the old white gov.
mircea_popescu: yaya
trinque: cowards, simple as that.
BingoBoingo: Mostly noveau poor lacks the refinement of the old poor which prevents them from going full orc and riding the welfare train
mircea_popescu: if white bitches spent more time learning how to twerk at age 6, perhaps anyone'd give a lot more of a shit about the problems of white trash.
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> hanbot do you recall which article that was ? < i apparently don't
trinque: americans are subconsciously terrified of their own govt
mircea_popescu: what, he's special or something ? can't fit a shoeshine box in his hands ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not just. all sorts of bureaucratic gears won't turn for you if you have wrong face
trinque: they simultaneously derive some kind of self-esteem from this fact
trinque: so no, they're not going to lash out at the monster, just some weird looking guy if they run across one
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so don't hold open the door to THAT OFFICE then!
mircea_popescu: trinque or an incapacitated woman with children, why not
mircea_popescu: what's she gonna do, bleed on you ?
trinque: yeah
trinque: the louder my "countrymen" shout about nonsense the more I smell pissed pants
mircea_popescu: dude's such a public danger, why doesn't he go around at night through the ghetto bumping into derps and immitating anything they say!
mircea_popescu: (yes, i used to do that, at that age. it was fun, fwiww.)
trinque: why's every american an anxiety-ridden, pill-popping nutcase?
mircea_popescu: that's what i wanna know!
trinque: couldn't possibly be the unpredictable insanity of the economic system, or the brutal, violent govt
trinque: probably the black bitch
mircea_popescu: trinque, abbot, costello &mp
trinque: heh
hanbot: mircea_popescu scratch that, comments section of fried chicken: http://trilema.com/2013/fried-chicken/
assbot: Fried chicken on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZsbWH )
mircea_popescu: hanbot oh right! i knew we had a lol at that thing
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ironically enough, with a beheaded hamilton the us would still to this day be a sort of congo.
mircea_popescu: the brief excursion into world relevancy of the shithole in question is wholly owed to hamilton & co.
mircea_popescu: the "evil bankers & capitalists"
mircea_popescu: true enough that it doesn't seem to last, congo is congo. but... it was a decent trip, for as long as it lasted.
punkman: I got a couple scamcalls from the Congo few months ago
mircea_popescu: bride ?
punkman: no idea, didn't pick up in time, just saw them in logs
mircea_popescu: twist : punkman's half brother has been in prison in congo since feb
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i wonder if this is going to lead to a new musical genre off the old superhero comics tree. just like destitute niggers had their stupid gangsta shit.
mircea_popescu: christian glam rock bands singin' about how they don't hold doors open at supermarket
mircea_popescu: "whatever... i slam doors and i kill people! it's my hot country and i do what i want!"
trinque: there's some kind of shitty white supremacist "punk" I think
trinque: I've long wondered where all the supposed neonazis are; met one a while back and I think all he did was shoot guns and get tattoes
mircea_popescu: should make for some pretty easy enthusiastic teenage poon, if it ever takes off.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I don't see how it doesn't happen as I only anticipate the rape of white trash to increase.
mircea_popescu: i dunno... there really aren't that many blacks.
trinque: it's strange; there's something similar between the guy's door-holding and the utter lack of any dangerous subculture
trinque: as if all we can do is "act as if X"
trinque: somebody more well-read could identify what's malfunctioning in american identity-synthesis there
mircea_popescu: !s not a country
assbot: : http://s.b-a.link/?q=not+a+country
mircea_popescu: who was i having this discussion with ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure, but there's going to be a lot more Chinese. It also really doesn't help the newer generations of white trash that they are ill equipped mentally, physically, and morally to cope.
trinque: mircea_popescu: yeah, what you said about a country being a place where young men know who they are, it's right on the mark
trinque: I considered that particular line for a long while after
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo on the positive side, all good things ever come out of an ill equipped kid stuck in a blender.
BingoBoingo: Of course.
kakobrekla: the timeout on the search is outrageous.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla mthreat said it's being moved to another server.
kakobrekla: aha, i had that particular http request in mind, but good to know
kakobrekla: 60 seconds, exactly.
mircea_popescu: trinque and that's what multiculturalism actually is, ftr. given that it is SO COMPLICATED to have a cultural superstructure that allows any semblance of passible solution to that, and given that any sort of formal proof of superiority and inferiority ~AMONG THAT SET~, strictly, strictly among that set is so hopeless,
mircea_popescu: you're way the fuck better off just letting everybody use their own answers than trying to force some sort of homogenity.
mircea_popescu: obviously you can't have "multiculturalism" among things that aren't even subcultures, let alone cultures in their own right. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: but go explain to taleb why he should stop wearing the facial hair style he does. because why ? reasons ? he got reasons too.
BingoBoingo: ;;google knockout game
gribble: Knockout game - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knockout_game>; Man Punches Pregnant Woman In Brutal 'Knockout Game' Attack ...: <http://news.yahoo.com/man-punches-pregnant-woman-brutal-knockout-game-attack-131622429.html>; Pregnant woman sucker-punched in unprovoked attack | New York ...: <http://nypost.com/2014/08/14/pregnant-woman-sucker- (1 more message)
trinque: hm, it's like in the place where culture might develop, they've placed a culture-shredder
trinque: I wonder whether anyone actually intended it. It seems too well designed, that you create this concept "multiculturalism" which by definition subsumes whatever particular ideas you might have as an individual.
trinque: but you see.. in order for us to hold hands multiculturally, there are going to have to be some rules...
trinque: where have I seen this kind of short circuiting before
trinque: like in portland you can come to work at a software company as a male with a skirt on and your nails done, no shoes on, so long as you shut the fuck up and work
trinque: not that I mind that at all, but it illustrates the "make any choice, so long as your domain of choosing is entirely irrelevant"
mircea_popescu: the original concept is merely commentary, on lengthy extant tradition, and it stands on its own as a perfectly sensible term of art in its field.
mircea_popescu: except, all that stuff's in french.
mircea_popescu: that the usians can not read and regularly hang themselves in the fancy underwear they bought in paris is not the underwear's fault.
trinque: lol
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mircea_popescu: how exactly is arbitrary activity "culture" now...
mircea_popescu: srsly, painting your nails ? what culture is this ?
trinque: just a matter of words meaning whatever ya like
trinque: if there's a facebook group for it, it's a culture
mircea_popescu: no wonder the code doesn't work.
trinque: if there's a github, there's a community
mircea_popescu: the term for this is subculture
mircea_popescu: tho even that may be a stretch
trinque: gotta have that other thing of which to be "sub"
mircea_popescu: The United MultiSubCultural States of America
mircea_popescu: nb.
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mircea_popescu: reminds me of "romania multilateral dezvoltata"
cazalla: mircea_popescu, would you give any weight to studies that show multiculti undermines social trust? (i try to keep in mind these are studies done by gov dept)
mircea_popescu: how do you measure "social trust" ? ☟︎
cazalla: muh feels of course
mircea_popescu: yeah well, here's the thing : the variable you are likely calling this is a direct inverse of graph connectivity.
mircea_popescu: which means it is being undermined by improved communication.
mircea_popescu: it stands to intuitive reason if you look at it : the more people can talk to more people, the less any individual talk can be trusted, yes ?
cazalla: my experience is that no-one talks to anyone
mircea_popescu: once software acquired the ability to be "updated online", atomic software versions became less trustworthy.
mircea_popescu: because instead of doing anything right, people just slap it together and "we'll do an update later"
trinque: cazalla: I greet neighbors or people on the street here and they look down
mircea_popescu: technology's your enemy there, not anything to do with society.
trinque: I still do it, because fuck them.
trinque: but that was a nice thing about Texan (sub)culture
trinque: you goddamn greet people when you walk by
mircea_popescu: trinque all of them !?
mircea_popescu: i walked by at least 1k people today.
trinque: well there are unspoken rules of it
cazalla: trinque, i talk to my neighbour over the back but i couldn't tell you who else lives in this street.. growing up it was rare not to know
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trinque: I knew and drank with everybody I lived in an apt building with in tx
trinque: dunno any of these nervous fucks
mircea_popescu: you were twenty then!
trinque: sure that might be a factor
mircea_popescu: older people eventually figure out everyone's an idiot anyway
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mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, http://36.media.tumblr.com/717f39f2ffb3104818c25cf446c0798e/tumblr_n942laTGgk1qc2yxpo1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1eY1dDx )
asciilifeform: ^ first-class lathe work !
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200053 << iirc the item in question used something like 'people leaving doors unlocked at night' ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-07-2015 01:29:17; mircea_popescu: how do you measure "social trust" ?
mircea_popescu: so max social trust = up on the mountain ?
asciilifeform when first heard that anyone, anywhere since ancient egypt where locks were supposedly invented, ever left their house unlocked other than by mistake, was floored
mircea_popescu: i scarcely bothered.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc the talk was exclusively of reasonably populated places
mircea_popescu: for one thing, because dumbass russian locks, kept no one out.
trinque: meh, I leave windows open all night on the ground floor
mircea_popescu: fgor the other, because orly, you're gonna ROB ME ?!!?
asciilifeform: even very cheap lock gives extra second or two to aim ?
mircea_popescu: you ever read the story of the whores and the thieves ?
trinque: only crime around here is someone comes and steals your grill off the porch
asciilifeform: ali baba ?
mircea_popescu: no , no, on trilema.
asciilifeform: can't recall one
asciilifeform: http://klmist.com/keysreport.html << unrelated lol
assbot: KLMist - Bitcoin blockchain keys report ... ( http://bit.ly/1eY24En )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2011/spargatorii-si-curva/
assbot: Spargatorii si curva on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1eY2bQ1 )
mircea_popescu: !rated phf
assbot: You rated user phf on 24-Jun-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: New blood.
asciilifeform: in other 'news', microshit has bitcoin nodes on its campus
mircea_popescu: !rate phf 2 Actually managed to compile Eulora on OS/X, which is a first.
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mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.phf.2:6b5c1f07e27f7b7ae974773e4c050cfce50f47f405a2e9fdf2666a78059e721a
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for phf from 1 to 2 with note: Actually managed to compile Eulora on OS/X, which is a first.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ^
asciilifeform: speaking of whom,
asciilifeform: i advise all folk in usa with a spare twenty to get that box spoken of earlier
asciilifeform: so it doesn't end up like pogo, with my desk having the only such for months
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
scoopbot_revived: New Java Zero Day Discovered Targeting NATO http://qntra.net/2015/07/new-java-zero-day-discovered-targeting-nato/
gribble: Current Blocks: 365212 | Current Difficulty: 5.1076366303481926E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 366911 | Next Difficulty In: 1699 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 23 hours, 9 minutes, and 17 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47150109359.0 | Estimated Percent Change: -7.68703
asciilifeform: 'The attack leverages a three-year-old vulnerability in Microsoft Windows Common Controls CVE-2012-015 which is addressed in MS12-027.'
asciilifeform: Run Moar Winblowz, NATO !!
asciilifeform: http://blog.trendmicro.com/trendlabs-security-intelligence/hacking-team-uses-uefi-bios-rootkit-to-keep-rcs-9-agent-in-target-systems << moar lulziez
assbot: Hacking Team Uses UEFI BIOS Rootkit to Keep RCS 9 Agent in Target Systems ... ( http://bit.ly/1eY2SsH )
asciilifeform: ends with the obligatory [install nsa's ] 'Update the BIOS whenever there is a security patch'
punkman: ok turdatron must hate me, seems it even ate last email which I sent with "swaks"
punkman flaps hands
BingoBoingo: punkman: Have you tried sending with 'mail'
punkman: BingoBoingo: does it do attachments?
BingoBoingo: I don't know? Only one way to find out
BingoBoingo: Ah, on my system it doesn't seem to
punkman: swaks is a crazy perl script for smtp testing, it works.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://www.bigheadpress.com/tpbtgn?page=45
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: lol
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200024 < the us had multiple cultures, they were not tolerated by the elites ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-07-2015 01:15:43; mircea_popescu: obviously you can't have "multiculturalism" among things that aren't even subcultures, let alone cultures in their own right.
mircea_popescu: it did ?
decimation: absolutely. I've mentioned the german community that used to exist, for instance
asciilifeform: there were also urban irish
asciilifeform: and a number of others
decimation: us cities around 1900 were full of ethnic ghettos
decimation: the black were imported to bust these up in order to prevent 'independent vote blocs'
trinque: doesn't seem like those transplants took
mircea_popescu: eh for chrissakes. you and your wife going on a cruise does not now constitute an "english culture" in oceania.
trinque: my family goes back to a big italian clan that moved over in I think the 30s or so
trinque: do you think I have any connections?
trinque: hell no I don't
asciilifeform: everybody who wouldn't bow to massachusetts got bugsprayed.
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1199899 < the majority of these blacks are actually 'spending' usg's money ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-07-2015 00:33:04; mircea_popescu: servants getting uppity ffs.
asciilifeform: ^
mircea_popescu: pecunia non olet.
mircea_popescu: they have it, you want it, fuck you.
decimation: maryland, for instance, has a 'poor people health insurance' where they are required to pay $1, if they can afford it
decimation: most can't afford it
trinque: lol how do they means-test that?
decimation: they don't, it's purely optional
trinque: ask for a dollar, and then write down the "no" response?
decimation: (medicaid)
decimation: yeah I think that's how it works
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mircea_popescu: and ftr i am naught impressed with this "got bugsprayed" bs.
mircea_popescu: ei ce pazeau ?
cazalla: decimation, i read the other day this Fair Housing update will result in blacks being bussed in to the rich white liberal areas.. btw Obama looking old as fuck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lSLIhXrs1Y
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trinque: cazalla: heh I got bussed as a white kid to the shittier public school back in the day for the same reason
asciilifeform: recall mr mold: 'my daughter's preschool is literally in a ruin - that is, a (nicely renovated) space which used to be part of a Catholic church. (The preschool is the former convent. The rest of the church remains a ruin proper.) Where are the people who used to pray in this church? They fled. Why? Because they were afraid for their physical safety.'
decimation: cazalla: Obama's a lame duck, the most he can do is hand out goodies so that democrats show up to vote next time
cazalla: taking the bus to school such a strange concept.. i use to ride my bmx doing bunny hops and all sorts along the way
asciilifeform: 'I know, I know. It's gauche to even bring this kind of stuff up. It's not part of our consensus reality. It's not part of our consensus history. When it comes to actual history, however,...'
decimation: cazalla: most us towns - even little cities - have a massive bus infrastructure just to take kids to and from school - and nobody else
mircea_popescu: eh, nothing was ever built by the afraid.
mircea_popescu: what, is this the universal excuse now ? "why is he fucking dumb ?" "he is ~~~affraid for his own physical safety~~~ magic wordsd!!!" "oh ok then, all is well, carry on"
decimation: mircea_popescu: which is why they left, and it is crumbling
mircea_popescu: good riddance.
mircea_popescu: by any practical measure they were an offense to the land they shaded.
mod6: So over the weekend and today, was working on building a new gentoo-amd64-nomultilib (glibc) instance to test out application of patches with v0.5.3.1-RELEASE as the base. Was able to build static binaries with gentoo & glibc just fine with both a modified auto-static (auto.sh) and with a slightly modified stator.sh script.
asciilifeform: good work mod6
asciilifeform: modified how ?
mircea_popescu: mod6 they be actually static ?
mod6: Upon successful compilation, both static builds were able to pull at least 150`000 blocks from mp's node.
mircea_popescu: pretty cool
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw is your node stuck ?
asciilifeform had actual static, in 'stator', compare with the elf attached there
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not at all
asciilifeform: hasn't been stuck once since i moved the clock, afaik
mircea_popescu: tried to track it with a node, it resulted in a stuck node 0.O
mod6: mircea_popescu: it appears to me that they are. I have two build logs (one for with auto.sh and one with stator.sh). They can be found:
mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/gentoo-amd64-nomultilib-glibc-20150713-AutoStaticv006-buildlog.txt
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: interesting! please say if you are able to replicate this
mircea_popescu: workin' on it.
asciilifeform: (on clean box)
mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/gentoo-amd64-nomultilib-glibc-20150713-statorBuildScript-buildlog.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1eY5dDW )
cazalla: decimation, they had a bus for the high school i attended and when i got sent to naughty boy school i was given a train ticket which provide free travel (which was self defeating in that i no longer had to jump the train but could now ride legit for free lol)
asciilifeform: anybody else wedged ?
asciilifeform: (other than mircea_popescu)
mod6: (at the bottom of these sizeable files, you can see me run `ldd` and `readelf` against the output binaries)
asciilifeform: me==365216
mod6: I have created a simple build script that will pull all of the patches, verify them, apply the patches at the top of the file. Along with anything else that was required.
asciilifeform: nice
decimation: cazalla: at least you rode transport that others in the city could use
asciilifeform: ^ just to be clear re: above, my node is not, as far as i can tell, wedged!
mod6: This is all leading up to a new "patching guide" that I'm working on. Which is basically finished, save the fact I've yet to decide which direction to go on the build script. On one hand, I really love how simple and clean stator.sh is, but with auto.sh, I like how it automatically pulls the archives for you and creates the directories. etc.
decimation: my node has taken almost 2 weeks to get to 264k
mod6: Anyway, working on it. :]
trinque: mod6: pretty cool!
mod6: decimation: plugged into mp's node?
trinque: hi ag3nt_zer0
ag3nt_zer0: hey trinque
decimation: is on' ascii's node I think
mod6: ah
mod6: <@asciilifeform> modified how ? << with stator, I needed to add back in 'no-shared', according to http://wiki.openssl.org/index.php/Compilation_and_Installation this is required for us (probably). And I also needed to modify your line `cd bitcoin/bitcoin/src;` to `cd bitcoin/src;`. All of the things are in the build log, I tried not to leave anything out.
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ag3nt_zer0: several months back I was at the plug and play bitcoin meetup... Nathaniel Popper was there talking about his book... anyway, after the talk I was standing in line to ask him to clarify something when this familiar-looking chap gets in line behind me. asks me who what etc...
mod6: Those were the only changes to stator that were required to make it fit with the release artifact.
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mod6: thx trinque, asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, et al. :]
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ag3nt_zer0: at the time I was all zigzagged about Trilema and so I asked him if he had heard of it... he scanned the files that the eye accesses when it looks down/right and there was a spark... he said "what's that?"... I said "dunno, run by this guy Mircea something or other"... he said "oh, that guy doesnt like me"... later he asked for my number and when he pulled out his phone I saw his name was Tim Swanson
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ag3nt_zer0: trivial perhaps, and not to make fun of him, but I thought it was pretty funny...
ag3nt_zer0: http://www.businessinsider.com/proxyham-anonymising-router-project-mysteriously-closed-down-government-rhino-caudill-2015-7
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decimation: ag3nt_zer0: was already done, look in the logs
ag3nt_zer0: decimation: thanks. guess I should make that a habit before posting here...
trinque: 'tis the custom
cazalla: i think the tim swanson story more than makes up for it ag3nt_zer0
ag3nt_zer0: hehe
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asciilifeform: mod6: rather peculiar that you had to add in 'no-shared' - witness that there are no shared deps in my executable (attached to 'stator' post on ml)
mod6: well, actually, I didn't /have/ to at all.
mod6: every time i've built the 'stator' before, the output binary was fine.
asciilifeform: mod6: have you made any experiment to learn whether binary changes at all when this flag is set ?
asciilifeform: might be interesting
mod6: statically built. but I recall going through this in march how we needed that in there... just maybe overly paranoid.
mod6: <@asciilifeform> might be interesting << i have not, as of yet.
trinque: didn't openssl itself have some derpy module-loader thing?
mod6: would be easy for me to try now though.
trinque: perhaps the flag enables/disables that
decimation: yes, openssl had a dynamic library loader flag
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: what was it
decimation: sigh, search is down
asciilifeform: no-dso iirc
mircea_popescu: <mod6> I have created a simple build script << you may consider signing some of the things you pull
asciilifeform: ^^^
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asciilifeform: pleez folks, sign
asciilifeform: if you read, understood - sign.
mod6: sign the patches before pulling?
asciilifeform: can sign and say 'this is a bad idea', note
mod6: this is for *Experimental* only.
asciilifeform: doesn't imply endorsement
decimation: yeah no-dso http://wiki.openssl.org/index.php/Compilation_and_Installation
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mod6: I only stamp approval at release time.
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 i dun particularly care one way or the other. the discussion's in teh logs which atm can't be searched it seems.
asciilifeform: a signature from a reasonably literate wot face, 'i read this and it made sense', is worth something.
asciilifeform: to me, at least.
decimation: mthreat explained his hosting guy forgot to pay the bills
ag3nt_zer0: yeah was just gonna say search not working
mod6: There are some very far reaching effects of the patches applied in these build logs. They appear to "work", but as of yet, they're basically untested.
mircea_popescu: mod6 not strongarming you
asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199502 << thread ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-07-2015 18:43:01; ascii_field: http://www.businessinsider.com/proxyham-anonymising-router-project-mysteriously-closed-down-government-rhino-caudill-2015-7 << other lulz of the day
mod6: not taken that way :]
ag3nt_zer0: asciilifeform: yes I found that... thx
asciilifeform: mod6: thus far the longest-running test is the s.nsa node.
asciilifeform: it features my entire shebang through 'stator'.
mod6: that's good!
ag3nt_zer0: was just looking up z86 heh
asciilifeform: presently 47 connections, incl. a bunch of cn, interestingly
mircea_popescu: nb.
ag3nt_zer0: z80
asciilifeform: usually hovers between 35-50
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pay it a visit, log in, see if spot anybody you know...
mircea_popescu: eh, im working on an eulora release rightnao
asciilifeform: neat
mod6: ok building again without 'no-shared' for binary examination
mod6: <@asciilifeform> doesn't imply endorsement << ok. i was just under the impression that's excatly what it meant.
mod6: I emboss cryptographically, stating that I've read, comprehended, approved and would apply in my own battlestation.
asciilifeform: normally folks say why they're signing something
asciilifeform: when they sign it
mod6: That's fair if it has a disclaimer.
mod6: lol, guess I just didn't wanna clutter up the turdomatic or confuse anyone either.
asciilifeform: compared to most similar boards, it is practically empty
asciilifeform: (imho a 'feature, not bug')
mod6: less is more, as always. if there's too much in there, it's less likely to be read.
asciilifeform: has plenty of room for assorted strange.
asciilifeform: without becoming crowded.
mod6: I see, we just have a bit different view of the thing. I only wanna send stuff in that I can pretty much stand behind.
mod6: One of the resasons that I haven't even posted the gentoo build guide to the list either.
mod6: I've tested it, trinque has tested it, but we need a third party to independantly verify so I know what I'm publishing there is as correct as it can be.
mod6: I'll give this some further thought going forward. I don't wanna hold off on pulling the trigger on this stuff if all I need is simple skull & cross bones.
trinque: I can see the point that two signatures would've communicated what you said, mod6
asciilifeform: feel free to use a different graphic if the old 'jolly roger' has gotten boring
trinque: with some note
trinque: ascii-dickbutt
mod6: asciilifeform: noted.
mod6: <+trinque> I can see the point that two signatures would've communicated what you said, mod6 << in that it would have been 1/2 of the foundation's official seal?
mod6: i thought so too. and it's a credit to my trust of asciilifeform that I verify his signature, and we have a L1 trust between us.
mod6: eh, that was poorly worded. I think you all understand my meaning.
asciilifeform: trust & fuzzies is great, but i'd really like folks to start reading the patches
asciilifeform: (mod6 does. ben_vulpes? who else)
asciilifeform: trinque?
trinque: I mean that it indelibly marks the text in question with the involvement of the signers
asciilifeform: and yes, after read, and think - sign.
trinque: I do read the mailing list, yes
asciilifeform: 'i read this, grasped it'
asciilifeform: or even 'i read this and it made no fucking sense and wtf'
trinque: oh that reminds me
trinque: jurov: tls outbound smtp for the mailing list plz?
trinque: should be a simple switch to flip in main.cf
trinque: (if postfix)
trinque: for no better reason than I've required it on my end and it cut spam by 100x
asciilifeform: trinque: why was this needed ?
asciilifeform: hm
mod6: asciilifeform: point taken. glad we talked about it. and yeah, very much so read and examine every patch.
asciilifeform: trinque: it's also how you get the next 'hearbleed' on your box
asciilifeform: *heart
trinque: yeah that is true
asciilifeform: this atmosphere where 'gotta have ssl or else' is an engineered product
trinque: sure, I wasn't saying that
asciilifeform: i advocate - resistance.
trinque: the box was getting ass-blasted with spam
asciilifeform: there are other ways to filter spam, no ?
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trinque: sure, was running spamassassin and whatnot
trinque: your point about heartbleed is well taken
asciilifeform: i also have a habit, of compulsively re-reading own patches
asciilifeform: to see if made a mistake.
asciilifeform: i recommend this habit.
mod6: it does help. i often have to come back to it like a day later and re-read my own stuff for the 9th time.
asciilifeform: a mistake that is owned up to, before it sinks any ships - can perhaps be accepted as a mistake, and forgiven ☟︎
asciilifeform: not sure about other kinds
asciilifeform: as the war heats up.
mod6: also more eyes help too. sometimes we all miss stuff.
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trinque: I'm off; gnite gents
mod6: night trinque
asciilifeform: later
mod6: I'll make an effort this week to sign the patches I've read and understand, even if still experimental at this time.
asciilifeform: i recall that last we spoke of this, folks signed and noticed that jurov's patch sig widget didn't eat them correctly
asciilifeform: and stopped ☟︎
mod6: and I'll find a new ascii art instead of the jolly roger ;)
asciilifeform: possibly i misremember.
asciilifeform: check, when search comes back
mod6: ah, yeah... hm. I believe when I went to sign all the patches from the last release, I had to pull the patches, and then sign them as if I had wrote them myself for them to be accepted.
mod6: They needed to basically have the same SHA1s as the originals, with my own detatched sig.
mod6: Anyway, yah, will take a look when search comes back.
mod6: Someday, we're gonna get the kinks worked out of this system.
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mod6: ok this build is just about done...
ag3nt_zer0: good night
mod6: ni
ag3nt_zer0: whoops that was for trinque... hadn' scrolled
phf: ben_vulpes: http://glyf.org/screenshots/eulora3.png!
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mod6: asciilifeform: ok, compile complete.
asciilifeform: http://janestreet.github.io << unrelated l0lpharm, for connoisseurs of 'functional' prog. styles
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mod6: welp, they do hvae differenet hashes. that at least is obv.
asciilifeform: mod6: hexdump -C, then diff
mod6: ok, i was just gonna do a quick `xxd <file> | less` and look at 'em side by side.
mod6: ok looking through the hexdump -C diff now....
asciilifeform: mod6: also worth comparing objdump output
asciilifeform: probably oughta begin there, vs the hex
asciilifeform bbl
mod6: yeah, i thought about that first actually. but gotta recompile since bins are striped
mod6: *stripped
mod6: i'll tackle that tomorrow i think.
mod6: night all!
ag3nt_zer0: Gute Nacht!
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mircea_popescu: holy shit phf you found wooly mushroom ?!
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phf: i will neither confirm nor deny it until i understand the implications :>
danielpbarron: i'll buy your keys+enumerations
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phf: speaking of, why are keys get turned into little bit o' nothings?
mircea_popescu: nothing's forever.
mircea_popescu: !up moneycat
mircea_popescu: phf http://trilema.com/2015/an-image-worth-ten-thousand-words-of-sadness/ << implications
assbot: An image worth ten thousand words of sadness. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DdHlSN )
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cazalla: mircea_popescu, is this ddos on qntra or something else?
mircea_popescu: ddos.
mircea_popescu: its up right now neh ?
cazalla: not from here
BingoBoingo: Seems down
mircea_popescu: now it is lol
mircea_popescu: actually... i see it.
mircea_popescu: slow tho.
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phf: well, that was my first eulora drama, came back to find my future fortune literally crumble to little bits o' nothing. tracked the coordinates, explored.. nothing. literally feels like i just frantically dug a bunch of earth looking for wooly mushrooms that are no longer there
mircea_popescu: aw! why didn't you dig therm up on the spot like ?
phf: i had no time to, i was enjoying the scenery :)
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: sucks, the mushrooms are in short supply.
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phf: scuffed up my pick for nothing too. eulora is unforgiving!
mircea_popescu: well... so how do youi like the scenery ?
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
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phf: it's amusing, old school. reminds me of early 3d rpgs. i didn't realize how small the island is though. needs more scenery
mircea_popescu: incientally, you can lock claims you know ?
phf: mircea_popescu: oh, then and they stick around?
mircea_popescu: ya
mircea_popescu: anyway, as the population progresses there's gonna be moar maps, but atm too noobish :D
mircea_popescu: you folk haven't even built a ship yet!
phf: :o
mircea_popescu: or an escherian trestlework even
phf: i saw someone's tent so i assume that was possible, but a ship
phf: are you thinking of extending the same map, or completely new locations via teleports or such?
mircea_popescu: the latter.
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mircea_popescu: anyway, the whole thing is very much player driven. for instance, out of the ~dozen skills available, afaik players found like .. 4 so far ? i guess 5.
mircea_popescu: there's going to be an update this week adding more, but i doubt anyone's gonna see it this month. maybe. depends how seriously ppl play.
mircea_popescu: and generally, i expect expansions to be there long before anyone actually reached the point where they can play them
mircea_popescu: at least, that's the intended strategy.
phf: well, my initial impression is that it would be hard to discover all the available functionality
BingoBoingo: Does Eulora have chairs yet, so that they may be stacked for space exploration purposes?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yes.
phf: i started with help, but there wasn't even a mention of mining, and some of the commands that are in help are not implemented (e.g. /dig)
mircea_popescu: crucial tool for mcguyvering too.
mircea_popescu: phf yeah the helpfile as bundled with the client is a mess atm.
phf: oh i thought that was pulled from the server
mircea_popescu: if you read the first node, which is really all that i've bothered with, it even tells you the location on disk
mircea_popescu: make your own :D
phf: ha
phf: "lock yo shit!"
mircea_popescu: it'll get wiped eventually even if locked, but you get more than the unlocked hour.
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mircea_popescu: anyway, the current eulora problem as far as miners are concerned is : there's a single shot very powerful mining tool, which seems like the oinly hope to acquire essential resources choking toolmaking and cooking. since these are in short supply, people are working to make a map of known resources, so as to explore the unknown spots
mircea_popescu: so you can help with that.
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mircea_popescu: or alternatively you could find someone to sell you the crafting starter item and try to get skill starter drops
mircea_popescu: which has also been pretty slow.
phf: it's very much a scarcity world
mircea_popescu: well, the copper's bitcoin based, so.
phf: right, exactly i was about to say, necessary with the funding model
mircea_popescu: not even the funding model, it deliberately has a strong currency for purely game design concerns
mircea_popescu: none of that bullshit bezzle game economics, ima puke if i see another SoJ
mircea_popescu: !up CrazyLoafer
CrazyLoafer: wow this is where all the celebrities hang out :O
CrazyLoafer: i enjoy your writings mircea_popescu :)
mircea_popescu: an' who might you be ?
mircea_popescu: cool.
CrazyLoafer: just a crypto investor; saw a mention of this site and wanted to check it out
mircea_popescu: !topic
cazalla: CrazyLoafer, what are your investments?
mircea_popescu: hm that dun work huh. anyway, logs are in teh topic.
CrazyLoafer: BTC, LTC, XMR, some other smaller alts
mircea_popescu: which was xmr again ?
CrazyLoafer: monero
CrazyLoafer: rpietila's coin :P
mircea_popescu: haha i thought it was fluffypony 's
CrazyLoafer: well his too
mircea_popescu: wait.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony you actually met the silver baron dude ?
mircea_popescu: !up artilectinc
mircea_popescu: phf or for that matter wow style "rares" which everyone has. wtf is achievement even supposed to mean outside of a scarcity world.
mircea_popescu: dumbass ipad games, you tap the screen twice and it's CONGRATULATIONS! you're level 5.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114303 @ 0.00055811 = 63.7936 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: which obviously, together with their inability to model, makes bullshit like "level caps" unavoidable and on and fucking on
mircea_popescu doesn't actually like anything about current games.
mircea_popescu: i guess the melonsized tits are ok, if pressed.
BingoBoingo built cal3d, building crystalspace, seeing later if Eulora builds
mircea_popescu: what on, ubuntu ? tis breezy
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: OpenBSD
phf: 3d jiggle technologies have gone a long way
BingoBoingo: cal3d was in ports, so yay
mircea_popescu: phf cheaper to just put one slave girl on twerk detail while playing an actual game
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo mind that you need a specific one.
phf: :D
BingoBoingo: Well only one way to find out
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mircea_popescu: this is true.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11098 @ 0.0005376 = 5.9663 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: if you manage to get it going on openbsd put the recipe in http://www.eulorum.org/Installing_Eulora ima give you some gin or wine or something
assbot: Installing Eulora - Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXaQhR )
BingoBoingo: K
phf: it seems like a tricky balance between integrity and fun. i've not thought about this enough, but it seems the more integrity you have in game the more you gain by not actually directly playing the game
BingoBoingo: I'm just trying the lazy way before actually hunting down the "correct" versions of Cal3d and crystalspace
phf: mining for example is usually solved either by people who have nothing better to do but grind, or else heavy scripting
mircea_popescu: eulora mining is complex.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78600 @ 0.00056172 = 44.1512 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: phf in any case, there is no actual incentive to bot, or i suppose the proper format would be to say everyone can bot just as well.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65900 @ 0.00056172 = 37.0173 BTC [+] {2}
phf: i'm thinking i don't know enough about how eulora world works to say much. you mentioned that people are mapping mining locations, but then i tried searching for mushrooms around a location where i found them previously and couldn't find any
phf: so i'm sure there's some kind of logic there that i don't yet understand
mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: but basically, from a player pov, the economy is elastic enough you can choose. you wish to risk 100 coppers per click, do X. you wish to risk 10k per click, no need to do X 100 times, can just as well do Y.
mircea_popescu: whereas in stupid games, it's "faucet X is the biggest, gotta bot this or bust".
mircea_popescu: and it has little to dowith bottage, it becomes a time arbitrage - if bots are prevented chinese farms will do it by hand
phf: seems like if i wanted to find them, i might as well write a bot that would do random walk, then explore, etc. let it run for a day. though that will cost me in pick quality. hmm
mircea_popescu: well yes.
mircea_popescu: that's exactly it.
phf: i see what you mean above
phf: right
mircea_popescu: some people enjoy the detail, they can do X. some people enjoy pacino's puckered asshole... let them do y.
mircea_popescu: there's no level cap either, you can craft anything as a noob.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yep I have, although afaik he's getting out the silver game
mircea_popescu: so is he for real ?
mircea_popescu: had the longest standing debate with hanbot, whether he's a superellaborate troll or what.
fluffypony: yeah, and he's a nice enough guy, had fun drinking with him in Berlin
mircea_popescu: nuts.
fluffypony: which of you said he isn't a troll?
mircea_popescu: amusingly, we took turns at it over the years.
fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: but mostly, her.
fluffypony: CrazyLoafer: Risto holds XMR, and he's vocal, but he's not responsible for directing it in any way - https://getmonero.org/knowledge-base/people
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scoopbot_revived: The increasingly tricky proposition of multiculturalism. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/14/the-increasingly-tricky-proposition-of-multiculturalism/
mircea_popescu: phf which is why it's fun - actually fun. because you gotta find a way. it's too complex to effectually model even, at least so far, so therefore what bots.
mircea_popescu: now, granted, this isn'tr most people's idea of fun - having an untractable problem in their lap.
mircea_popescu: then again, i don't give a shit about most people.
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phf: well, it was naive of me to expect a b-a game to be mindless ;)
mircea_popescu: it is pretty disruptive, or in the converse expression, it isn't at all described by what people think when they hear the word mmorpg.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell nubbins` btw, phf managed to get it going on os/x
gribble: The operation succeeded.
trinque: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/07/13/donald-trump-el-chapo_n_7788128.html
assbot: Donald Trump Calls FBI After El Chapo, Escaped Drug Lord, Threatens Him On Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1K3C4Fb )
mircea_popescu: they'd better shut down his account!
trinque: seriously where are the administrators
mircea_popescu: threats are a serious matter. expecially on the internets!
trinque: lol
trinque: this would be the best publicity yet for mr trump
mircea_popescu: and especiallymost when directed at random starlets so desperate for publicity they'd eat their own head
ag3nt_zer0: I struggle to see how cultural relativism, multiculturalism as manisfest in states, offers any sort of couldn't-do-without-benefit to the western civilizational heritage... It seems to be manifested as a hugely destructive and degenerative force in US regarding everything from lowered national debate standards to laxed educational standards, erosion of free speech, critical theory where it doesn't really belong, poltical
ag3nt_zer0: past and thus no concern for the future,, etc
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 cultural relativism has just about nothing to do with multiculturalism
mircea_popescu: the relationship is quite akin fast food and cuisine.
mircea_popescu: mr tricatel isn't in any sense part of the academie francaise, that's for mr. duchemin
mircea_popescu: (you seen l'aile ou la cuisse ?)
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: in the states this is what it is
mircea_popescu: mno
mircea_popescu: "the states" isn't a special place where the derps can get 5 to be an transcendental if they so agree.
ag3nt_zer0: I think we are talking about different thnigs here
mircea_popescu: aha ?
ag3nt_zer0: Here it becomes simply a term that excuses all of that shit I described
trinque: I think we just wiped our ass with our only copy of the language.
mircea_popescu: sure, and there you also have "the country of africa" and assorted other fictions
ag3nt_zer0: its lumped right there with tolerance and diversity
ag3nt_zer0: I think Mark Steyn said multiculturalism is a unicultural phenomena
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: if that was for me, I haven't seen l'aile ou la cuisse
trinque: whatever one can say about multiculturalism, it's not going to come from any observation of the modern usa
mircea_popescu: so maybe check it out. it's the same discussion, except carried out in the 70s
ag3nt_zer0: what about Sharia law in London?
mircea_popescu: what about it ?
ag3nt_zer0: I mean I like the mexicans tacos for sure but the culture doesnt respect education in the same way... so there is a clash there
trinque: the education problem isn't their culture, it's the school's culture
ag3nt_zer0: and the way it is dealt with in the west these days seems to just LCD everything
mircea_popescu: the who to the what now ?
ag3nt_zer0: ok. does not Sharia Law conflict in a number of ways with the western "liberty traditon"?
mircea_popescu: i dunno. like which ways ?
ag3nt_zer0: well for instance what's the left gonna do when the gays have issues with the muslims?
mircea_popescu: this you gotta ask the left :)
mircea_popescu: but from the little i cared to read, it'd seem to me "sharia law" applies in london within sharia laws communities, which is not actually relevant to you.
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: I don't think thats the reason... Intelligence and motivation are greater than facilities and even teachers
mircea_popescu: what about "amish law" and whatever./
ag3nt_zer0: check US Ed Reform black hole for supporting statistics
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: my comment was about why you have to care whether they "respect education"
trinque: if so why are they in school
trinque: once they're there, how do you expect to fix it?
trinque: as for the sharia thing, they play that a lot in the "right" leaning news here
trinque: that europe is falling to teh muslims
trinque: probably about like maryland is falling to the blacks
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: I don't know what about Amish Law.
mircea_popescu: but there's this community of weirdos doing things like forcing kids to go without electricity.
ag3nt_zer0: I see multiculturalism as about as well-intentioned as the food court in the mall
mircea_popescu: not to even go into the no-transfusion groups or whatnot.
ag3nt_zer0: hmmm
ag3nt_zer0: well I dont mind that
mircea_popescu: bully for you
cazalla: the no transfusion thing is bullshit .. i grew up with that and when push comes to shove, most opt to take blood
mircea_popescu: so what's this, we're gonna tailor the shoulds and should nots by what you mind ?
ag3nt_zer0: haha no
ag3nt_zer0: I dont see the connection
mircea_popescu: some people keep the kids in blessed underwear ; some people keep the kids without ipads ; some other people keep the kids in burkas
ag3nt_zer0: Have you seen detroit?
trinque: yes but I don't like the burkas
mircea_popescu: what exactly is your choice paradigm to distinguish between these, and why exactly is it that the utah mormons don't bother you but the london muslims do.
trinque: that totalitarian thought gets buried deep.
mircea_popescu: to not even go into the chinatowns. those people put VINEGAR into their COOKED food, and sugar in things which are not desert.
ag3nt_zer0: because the utah mormans are still under the umbrella of western aeonic development
mircea_popescu: this, in romania, is excomunication.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha wut.
chetty: the difference is the mormons dont try to insist everyone should wear their underwear, the muslims get pretty insistant about burkas
mircea_popescu: o really ?
ag3nt_zer0: different peoples just have different ways of doing things... this also means that they have different ways of doing civilization... so that maybe one group can't take the reigns from another without significant hardship and the potential high risk for failure and disaster
ag3nt_zer0: see detroit maybe
mircea_popescu: i take it you've never had jehovites at the door chetty ?
ag3nt_zer0: sure i have
chetty: well none of them ever tried to behead me for not listening
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 yeah well if the brits weren't some unvigorous waster cunts, mayb the muslims wouldn't HAVE TO take their country from them
mircea_popescu: how about that.
trinque: chetty: sounds like a defense problem
trinque: technology should solve that one
mircea_popescu: chetty as proven by what, that you still have your head ? maybe they tried but ineptly, like anything else they do
chetty: hahahaha
mircea_popescu: lol
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: how bout it. might be somethin to that
trinque: they did after all blow up that building that time
mircea_popescu: i dunno that muslims pester non muslim women to wear burkas. not anymore than catholics pester non catholic women about how to raise the children
trinque: and some other ones
mircea_popescu: but i did find out with dismay that the fucktarded usians convicted some dude to hard prison for fucking his partner on some beach
trinque: "florida man"
mircea_popescu: which to me personally is about as offensive as anything the mulsims do in their god forsaken desert shithole.
ag3nt_zer0: "partner" haha
chetty: well if the news can be believed they are killing a lot of christians in the ME for not converting ...
trinque: it's really sad. reported as a pair of perverts because gasp, a 4 year old saw
mircea_popescu: what, like the us is killing a buncha ukrainians for same ?
mircea_popescu: war is war. tana-nanana
ag3nt_zer0: oh thats bad
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGikhmjTSZI
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ag3nt_zer0: let's talk about this again in 20 years!
chetty: MP just might feel a little different if he were female
mircea_popescu: well you'd feel a lot different if you were a lobster
ag3nt_zer0: I, for one, can't wait for the premiere of I am Cait!
mircea_popescu: cuz iirc they don't eat lobster.
mircea_popescu: or wait, that's the jess
mircea_popescu: jews*
cazalla: ag3nt_zer0, are ya gonna gather the family round and watch together?
ag3nt_zer0: given that the suicide rate is like 10 times higher if you are by "nature" transgender, I have this sick thought that it would be epic if I am Cait ended with a self inflicted shotgun blast to the head...
trinque: so this guy cut his dick off to land a TV series?
mircea_popescu: what's this thing anyway ?
ag3nt_zer0: cazalla: yes
ag3nt_zer0: Bruce Jender
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a very readily obvious and openly available method to not have to suffer the indignities of the defeated.
mircea_popescu: don't fucking lose.
ag3nt_zer0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR4MvD9IEAE
assbot: The European Grammar of Self-Intolerance [Jonathan Bowden] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1fEIxcW )
cazalla: ag3nt_zer0, the white guilt shit in that video, i don't really understand or grasp why people suffer from that
trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/14/us-iran-nuclear-idUSKCN0PM0CE20150714
assbot: Iran, big powers clinch landmark nuclear deal| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1fEJ52l )
trinque: so how long before saudi asks pakistan for one of its preordered nukes?
trinque: cazalla: me either
ag3nt_zer0: well, ... the video is 12 minutes long and i posted it 6 minutes ago... maybe at least give the whole thought a listen
cazalla: ya, only 4m in
ag3nt_zer0: fwiw, I sat through college lectures on "micro-aggressions" where the big bad white man just sat there and took it that he was the bad guy
trinque: I'm still listening to it
ag3nt_zer0: that's the guilt
ag3nt_zer0: or the cowardice
ag3nt_zer0: whatever
trinque: yeah, american college is terrible
trinque: I was paid to go and still left
punkman: "“We’re dealing with basically tourists,” Dafonseca said. “They’re here on the beaches of Manatee County, our public beaches. So you want to make sure that this isn’t something that just goes by the wayside. And that it is well known to the community what will be tolerated and what won’t be.”"
punkman: ahaha
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: what guilt? the class is on teaching you that you're guilty.
trinque: so tell them to fuck themselves?
ag3nt_zer0: yeah maybe
ag3nt_zer0: but when you put in 7 years
ag3nt_zer0: most arent willing to do that
ag3nt_zer0: I did.
trinque: too bad for 'em
ag3nt_zer0: but I was alone
ag3nt_zer0: they were all busy loving
ag3nt_zer0: or chasing that psper
ag3nt_zer0: I was terrified while I was doing it man... they held the power
ag3nt_zer0: and I did it for stupid idealistic shit
trinque: I'm just a bag of mineral water walking around, man
trinque: fuck a national or cultural identity
mircea_popescu: haha mineral water srsly.
ag3nt_zer0: like "if I dont stand up now, I cant tell studetns to later"
ag3nt_zer0: haha... fortunately it worked out
trinque: this guy said hegemonic
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trinque: yeah man, he's just giving people excuses for being confused about who they are
trinque: maybe it is harder in the shit ocean, but sucks for them
ag3nt_zer0: Oh I love Bowden man
trinque: otherwise what, a better church?
trinque: or a mother-state?
ag3nt_zer0: it's like medicine for california disease
trinque: I am always suspicious of a person giving someone a very serious sounding description of an abstract mental dysfunction they have.
trinque: apply that to whatever you like
trinque: church, public school bureaucrats, so on
cazalla: ag3nt_zer0, i never finished school but by paying to attend these places of higher education, you are buying what they're selling whether it be white guilt or what not.. i ran into this type of shit in different jobs but i always just refused to go along with it and they were always stumped as what to do next
trinque: both for the obvious reason and because for the person hearing it, it sounds like a damned fancy excuse to not put themselves together
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46800 @ 0.00056159 = 26.2824 BTC [-]
cazalla: in the mid 90s students were asked to sign a "sorry book" apologising to the australian aboriginies.. i just refused to sign it and that was that, if the other students had simply done the same, it would not have gained any traction, there was no consequence for not signing the stupid fucking book
punkman: "Jose Caballero, 40, was sentenced to two-and-a-half years in prison today for an X-rated beach frolic he had with Elissa Alvarez, 21, last July. Both Caballero and Alvarez will both have to register as sex offenders for their mischief, which involved copulating on a crowded beach, in the middle of the day, in front of a four-year-old."
trinque: lol! sorry book!
punkman: only 2.5 years
trinque: cazalla: that's hilarious
trinque: we're just supposed to look sadly at the page of the book on the trail of tears for a few minutes, then move on
cazalla: but these fucking drones just signed it and passed it to the next person, i never really understood that
punkman: sorry book indeed
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: fuck a national or cultural identity - i used to feel that way... but I always felt like you can go the other way too... thinking that things matter. So, it's from there that I would ask are a culture and, much later, a nation, originally expressions of individual races?
cazalla: but anyway.. what is that saying.. a nation can survive anything but treachery from within.. mircea_popescu is right that if you don't want to suffer this, don't be on the losing team.. if muslims ride into battle and rape and kill all the english (or australians) than i guess so be it, only thing i despite more than the muslims are the limp wristed whites
mircea_popescu: it'll do them a lot of good
mircea_popescu: the people born of that will not suck so much
mircea_popescu: punkman and she's pretty, too.
trinque: she got less time, maybe because of that?
trinque: or maybe she turned on him and signed the "yes we actually fucked" papers
mircea_popescu: cazalla so people wanna play this kink for a while, big whoop.
mircea_popescu: trinque or maybe they just dunno wtf they're doing, spinning the wheel of morality over there
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: I still feel that way btw... I just oscillate in efforts to destroy what I thought earlier
trinque: who trusted us with a country
mircea_popescu: "in front of a four year old" wtf is the snotty shit, a judge now ? ☟︎
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mircea_popescu: nothing can happen "in front of a four year old". because no four year old is the fucking axis of thew world already
punkman: trinque: she got no time
trinque: lol!
trinque: well good, it's only penises that are illegal anyway
ag3nt_zer0: cazalla: yes I bought what they sold and willingly... and I am that now
punkman: http://fusion.net/story/136443/this-rapper-shot-a-police-officer-will-stand-your-ground-set-him-free/
assbot: This rapper shot a police officer. Will 'Stand Your Ground' set him free? | Fusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1fEKWEt )
BingoBoingo: What's the weirdest node useragent everyone is connected to right now. I'm apparently peering with: "subver" : "/Satoshi:0.11.99/Gangnam Style:v1.00XL",
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144500 @ 0.0005588 = 80.7466 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: what is the command BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Depends on your version. In 0.7 getpeerinfo was introduced
BingoBoingo: Otherwise I guess you gotta check the logs
cazalla: "subver" : "/btcwire:0.2.0/", have not seen this one before
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70700 @ 0.0005575 = 39.4153 BTC [-]
cazalla: meh nothing interesting, only 30 odd connections.. was over 100 for a few weeks but dropped off for some reason
punkman: (´°̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥ω°̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥`)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49209 @ 0.00056288 = 27.6988 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !up Itile
Itile: Hi all. When bet 1158 will be payed, who know?
cazalla: Itile, you win that one too eh?
mircea_popescu: tonight prolly.
cazalla: i believe bets are paid 2 days from resolved now
Itile: 3 days 7 hours
mircea_popescu blames bitcoin.
cazalla: poor Itile, waiting like patience on a monument over here
mircea_popescu: guy got a point.
Itile: What is maximum of delaying in days? Faq not answer this.
cazalla: eh i'm waiting too, i could bitch that kakobrekla should pay as fast as he collects but who'd listen, i'm sure it'll be paid
cazalla drinking... drought has ended, whiskey rains from the sky
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97550 @ 0.00056311 = 54.9314 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: how long did ya hold out cazalla
mircea_popescu: Itile you mean maximum so far ? i dunno, something like a week on contentious bets iirc.
cazalla: punkman, about 6 weeks.. not drinking sorta reminded me of why i drank in the first place
BingoBoingo: Ah, an empty block 365248 https://blockchain.info/block/00000000000000001231d5e7302cbb649f6e6e7aa2abe280b441a07da2229bed
assbot: Bitcoin Block #365248 ... ( http://bit.ly/1GiNNaZ )
mircea_popescu: why was that ?
cazalla: mircea_popescu, me?
mircea_popescu: ya
cazalla: meh i dunno, it's a good friend in that you don't see it for a while but you just pick up where you left off
cazalla: can't say that about many other people in my life
BingoBoingo: So, asciilifeform's node is connected to blockchain.info https://blockchain.info/ip-address/195.211.154.159
assbot: Transactions Relayed By 195.211.154.159 - Blockchain.info ... ( http://bit.ly/1GiO91j )
BingoBoingo: cazalla: You had a good run
Itile: Bet 1090 was resolved 30-06, but payed 11-07. Why so long period? 11 days!
BingoBoingo: Very contentious stuff that bat
cazalla: BingoBoingo, yeah longer than i thought i'd last.. i'll enjoy this bottle and then take another break i think
mircea_popescu: Itile a contentious bet can linger forever.
punkman: was USMS the longest bet?
mircea_popescu: possibru
mircea_popescu: bfl was also open for a while
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50566 @ 0.00056323 = 28.4803 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00056324 = 15.2075 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66150 @ 0.00056405 = 37.3119 BTC [+]
cazalla: http://i.imgur.com/1ZjkiF2.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HGcgrZ )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79450 @ 0.00056407 = 44.8154 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121558 @ 0.00055694 = 67.7005 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: preddy sure million dorrrah extreme is best evar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfdFNS6ycgo
assbot: Techno Toys - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GiVbDd )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00055668 = 6.7358 BTC [-]
cazalla: hehe http://dpaste.com/187N8ZX.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GiXaY8 )
punkman: wtf is that
cazalla: i gotta deedbot it son
cazalla: but i am so drunk i forget how
cazalla: fuck, i know this
cazalla: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/187N8ZX.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GiXK8n )
deedbot-: Bad URL or network outage.
punkman: you gotta sign it, but maybe wait until tomorrow
cazalla: ya, can't even sign my own name at this point
punkman: just don't dpaste your private key
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120900 @ 0.00055944 = 67.6363 BTC [+]
cazalla: nah it'd have to be deliberate to do such a thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91070 @ 0.00056172 = 51.1558 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12030 @ 0.00056458 = 6.7919 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: BingoBoingo, you put any faith in this rumour that da williams sisters are actually men? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwrP1zHC5Eo
assbot: IRREFUTABLE PROOF that Serena Williams IS A MAN - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5wlfa )
fluffypony: omg
fluffypony: a flag fell, so therefore
fluffypony: what am I watching
fluffypony: oh apparently Michelle Obama is a man too
cazalla: yeah this is some deep level alex jones type shit fluffypony
cazalla: new ISIS movie is preddy gud
cazalla: "kill them wherever you find em"
cazalla: headshotting helicopters
cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC72WsPCPMk
assbot: Islamic state fighter shoots down Iraqi helicopter with MANPADS in Salahuddin province (July, 2015) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5x00a )
fluffypony: shot down with a mani-pedi?
fluffypony: salon staff are getting violent
shinohai: experimental pogo landing page: http://i.imgur.com/fXrKnMe.png?1
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXx9Ee )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40750 @ 0.00056531 = 23.0364 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43900 @ 0.00056415 = 24.7662 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58154 @ 0.00056415 = 32.8076 BTC [-]
punkman: http://www.salem-news.com/articles/may042013/visner-michigan-tk.php
punkman: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a4d_1436834334
assbot: LiveLeak.com - Guy Threatens To Shoot Out With Sheriff ... ( http://bit.ly/1M7S7SA )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49175 @ 0.00055885 = 27.4814 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00055118 = 7.0551 BTC [-]
jurov: ;;isup qntra.net ☟︎
gribble: qntra.net is down
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97150 @ 0.00056444 = 54.8353 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: <trinque> [20150714 03:19] should be a simple switch to flip in main.cf << no, it needs own valid cert, otherwise peers will go "wtf is this. disconnect!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37600 @ 0.00056215 = 21.1368 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44271 @ 0.00056253 = 24.9038 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29629 @ 0.00056554 = 16.7564 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 193300 @ 0.00055437 = 107.1597 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109935 @ 0.00056581 = 62.2023 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33109 @ 0.00054846 = 18.159 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50568 @ 0.00056158 = 28.398 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84200 @ 0.00056676 = 47.7212 BTC [+] {2}
shinohai: Here is the beast that will solve all your time issues: http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-Computer-Terminal-and-Monitor-LCD-Quartz-Mini-Clock/111704622008?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D29980%26meid%3Deaed39f400a34191b05cad268f8d3baf%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D111680976291
assbot: IBM Computer Terminal and Monitor LCD Quartz Mini Clock | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1GjpYQg )
jurov: lol why not these? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Betty-White-Bea-Arthur-Golden-GIrls-TV-Show-Television-Wall-Clock/141715392312
assbot: Betty White Bea Arthur Golden Girls TV Show Television Wall Clock | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1CBMut7 )
jurov: http://www.ebay.com/itm/B-17-Flying-Fortress-Pin-Up-Girl-Bomber-Wall-Clock-51/131554091879
assbot: B 17 Flying Fortress Pin Up Girl Bomber Wall Clock 51 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1CBMCsL )
thestringpuller: why is qntra getting hammered? they hate us cause they ain't us?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67173 @ 0.00055695 = 37.412 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99261 @ 0.00056477 = 56.0596 BTC [+] {3}
fluffypony: why not just stick qntra / a mirror behind CloudFlare? it's a news site, it's not like the information is super sensitive ☟︎
mats: ideology.
asciilifeform: from the lulzfarms: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3d8z5x/today_ebay_bans_bitcoin
assbot: Today, eBay bans bitcoin... : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1HtB86T )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27015 @ 0.00056692 = 15.3153 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59235 @ 0.00056707 = 33.5904 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, just the mempool on the s.nsa node is a GB and a half
asciilifeform: pogo is going nowhere until we have a mempool limit mechanism. ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: what kind of imbecile thought that it was proper to have an unbounded data structure ?
asciilifeform: that eats arbitrary tonnage of shit fed in from the net, no less.
decimation: asciilifeform: it is taking weeks for my 2gb ram server ti sync
decimation: it's not even hitting swap all that hard
jurov: decimation: it has hdd/ssd?
decimation: mechanical hdd
decimation: plenty of space
jurov: well.... that's just too slow. either add RAM or change to SSD
jurov: or some unholy combination, perhaps
decimation: yeah I think it is I/O limited
decimation: it seems to be maxing disk reads at around 16 megabit/s and writes at 8 megabit/s
jurov: dm-cache using 8 GB SSD would be worth trying, i will when pogos come ☟︎
jurov: now if these ssds in msata format were actually cheap
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41700 @ 0.00054607 = 22.7711 BTC [-]
decimation: ah, I had cstate shit enabled, might be part of the problem
mats: hm, seems all versions of Flash on Firefox are blocked by default right now
danielpbarron: !up junseth
junseth: Hi everyone. thought i'd come by for another flogging :)
funkenstein_: junseth, don't give me that you snotty faced heap of parrot droppings
junseth: yes more!
funkenstein_: hehe, actually I'm in line with you
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200835 <-- need a patch to nuke all TX relaying ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-07-2015 14:57:48; asciilifeform: pogo is going nowhere until we have a mempool limit mechanism.
jurov: FREE FLOGGINGS
jurov: funkenstein_: imo tx relaying is fine.. but holding them in memory beyond that is problematic
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.00054607 = 15.29 BTC [-]
funkenstein_: jurov, true, one could have a max size or max bandwidth even as command line flags with a bit of work.
funkenstein_: i was sorta under the assumption the main purpose was to be present en masse in block relaying network, hence providing some sanity in block verification
jurov: and who will relay transactions?
funkenstein_: that is responsibility of tx publisher to get them to a miner
funkenstein_: though plenty of full nodes on real iron still will relay
funkenstein_: tx relaying is strictly philanthropic at the moment if iiuc
jurov: so you yourself connect directly to miners and never need tx relaying services?
funkenstein_: for broadcasting a TX today i would recommend blockchain.info, coinb.in.. there are a few others that will get your tx to miners ☟︎
funkenstein_: with increasing use i expect it to get harder and harder
jurov: O.o i cant even
funkenstein_: my point is, tx relaying is useful but non-essential
jurov: how it is non-essential?
jurov: are you using bitcoin at all?
funkenstein_: integrity of blockchain and consensus is essential. How TXs get to miners is not. They could go by pigeon to Luke-JR's kitchen if need be.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131050 @ 0.00054559 = 71.4996 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: "blockchain is more important than bitcoin" i heard it somewhere
funkenstein_: my argument is bitcoin is more important than TX relaying
jurov: and my experience is that having a stable long-running and well-connected node gives me an edge with my transactions propagations
jurov: why even running a node otherwise?
jurov: lets just submit everything to blockchain.info and verify their blocks and sleep tight
jurov: ?
funkenstein_: so you can check yourself the coin you receive
jurov: how? pogo will not have wallet nor block explorer
jurov: also, what happens when blockchain.info screws up like recently? how are the tx gonna go to miners?
funkenstein_: ok pogo is a different story again.. for me broadcasting a tx is not as time important usually as your needs i bet
gernika: <+mats> ideology. << what about a qntra email list? I'd search the logs to see if this has been proposed in the past but ... can't.
mats: dun think so
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61900 @ 0.00054559 = 33.772 BTC [-]
gernika: My OpenBSD bitcoind has stopped syncing: trying connection x.x.x.x:8333 lastseen=-371358.4hrs lasttry=-399136.2hrs | it had been syncing from the address in the qntra post.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00054559 = 9.0568 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 186085 @ 0.00054559 = 101.5261 BTC [-]
mod6: what block?
mod6: #
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84987 @ 0.00054607 = 46.4089 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76650 @ 0.00054533 = 41.7995 BTC [-] {3}
gernika: mod6 250694
mod6: ok, yeah, im getting the same thing.
mod6: (gentoo) turned mine on to try. node must be down or something.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50064 @ 0.00054509 = 27.2894 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: my 0.5.3.1-beta node has also stopped syncing
danielpbarron: "blocks" : 365253,
danielpbarron: ERROR: AcceptToMemoryPool() : not enough fees << lots of this in my debug.log
danielpbarron: !up fromphuctor
fromphuctor: hello, how can I get my information removed from nosuchlabs.com? ☟︎☟︎
danielpbarron: i don't think you can, but asciilifeform and mircea_popescu are the ones that could do it if it can be done
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200705 << a guy threatened to punch me in the face for offering him some cannabis infront of his 4ish year old the other day ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-07-2015 08:20:36; mircea_popescu: "in front of a four year old" wtf is the snotty shit, a judge now ?
fromphuctor: so should I private message them or wait here?
danielpbarron: wait here
jurov: fromphuctor: did you remove the info from SKS keyserver, too?
jurov: also, other keyservers might mirror it
fromphuctor: i havent but when I google my name it's only showing up at nosuchlabs.com
danielpbarron: is your key phucked?
nubbins`: yeah, is your key phucked?
nubbins`: curious minds wish to know
mod6: danielpbarron: so you're like 50 blocks behind now?
danielpbarron: yeh
fromphuctor: I no longer use the key and I just dont want my info being indexed by google
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90885 @ 0.00054509 = 49.5405 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: fromphuctor, but is the key cracked? I'm sure a bunch of people would like to know how you created it if it was.
mod6: hmm, that error comes from one place: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0442 << perhaps thats when all of those tiny tx's started filling up the block space?
assbot: Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hu16at )
fromphuctor: danielpbarron. I have no idea, I longer use it
fromphuctor: no longer*
trinque: fromphuctor: maybe you don't understand the purpose of phuctor?
fromphuctor: sure it's to store my public gpg key
nubbins`: nope
trinque: incorrect
nubbins`: it's to find keys that were generated insecurely
trinque: ^
danielpbarron: fromphuctor, was the text all a happy green or a mean red?
nubbins`: phuctor is smashing numbers together, right now, churning through huge data sets of pgp keys
mod6: its purpose is to factor keys with GCD
mod6: rsa keys
nubbins`: trying to find clues as to broken implementations, flaws in rsa, etc
trinque: fromphuctor: sks is the system which distributes public keys
fromphuctor: GCD(N, Π(∀n)): 1 (Ok, for now!)
fromphuctor: not sure what that means but it's green
trinque: fromphuctor: then why would you want that info taken off the internet?
trinque: this means your key is *not* broken
nubbins`: means nobody else's key is suspiciously similar to yours :D
nubbins`: (yet!)
fromphuctor: I dont want the other associated info on the net
trinque: fromphuctor: a public key is called public because it is safe to distribute
fromphuctor: I'm aware of that
trinque: what is this, the right to be forgotten?
nubbins`: heh
danielpbarron: well so far he's only asked nicely
nubbins`: fromphuctor, i can only imagine your key was gleaned from some other publicly-accessible key server
mod6: yeah, iirc keys will not be removed from the phuctor pool.
danielpbarron: and makes a good point: only nosuchlabs shows up in google search
mod6: !up ascii_field
danielpbarron: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200905 << ahahahahahaha. you can't. deal with it. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-07-2015 16:35:26; fromphuctor: hello, how can I get my information removed from nosuchlabs.com?
fromphuctor: im pretty sure there's laws in place that give me the right to have that info removed ☟︎
ascii_field: in my country, you cannot copyright your name.
ascii_field: (which we don't even know)
danielpbarron: oo here we go!
danielpbarron "grabs popcorn" or w/e
fromphuctor: which country is that
ascii_field: usa.
trinque: I'm still perplexed by the idea that someone would be bothered by what is a highly beneficial *free* service annotating entirely *public* data
fluffypony: but pubkeys are easily browsable on other key servers
trinque: ^
ascii_field: aha, virtually all of the pubkeys in phuctor come from sks.
trinque: but it's really important that *this* one be taken down
ascii_field: which is mirrored 1,001 times worldwide.
fluffypony: look, fromphuctor, here's mine: http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x7455C5E3C0CDCEB9
assbot: Search results for '0x7455c5e3c0cdceb9' ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hu3PRo )
fluffypony: publicly visible
fluffypony: with *gasp* personal information
fluffypony: hosted by the Glorious Defenders of Privacy at MIT
fromphuctor: if my info disappeared from sks, would it be removed from nosuchlabs
ascii_field: fromphuctor: afaik nothing has ever disappeared from sks.
fromphuctor: that doesnt answer my question
ascii_field: the answer is no.
fromphuctor: do you maintain the database for nosuchlabs
ascii_field: fromphuctor: realize that anyone can submit anything to sks
asciilifeform: !up fromphuctor
fluffypony: SKS doesn't mandate that you remove data to keep in sync
ascii_field: i.e. your enemy can submit the key again
fluffypony: yup
fluffypony: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_server_(cryptographic)#Problems_with_keyservers
assbot: Key server (cryptographic) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0QyDm )
ascii_field: i am under no obligation to modify my code to make 'mr x' (whose name we do not yet know, nor have any proof that 'his' key is his) disappear every time someone submits him.
fluffypony: 'Once a public key has been uploaded, it is difficult to remove. Some users stop using their public keys for various reasons, such as when they forget their pass phrase, or if their private key is compromised or lost. In those cases, it was hard to delete a public key from the server, and even if it were deleted, someone else can upload a fresh copy of the same public key to the server. This leads to an accumulation of old fossil
fluffypony: public keys that never go away, a form of "keyserver plaque".'
fluffypony: also known as the "sorry for you" problem
funkenstein_: maybe one day we will learn to use namecoin
fromphuctor: im not concerned about the key floating around, just the other information listed on nosuchlabs
ascii_field: fromphuctor: we even have a list of folks for whom some hooligan submitted entirely fraudulent (as far as we can tell) keys. nothing can be done about this.
fromphuctor: sounds solid
ascii_field: fromphuctor: what other information? the only things visible are what is in your key - the name and email addr entered when it was generated.
fromphuctor: right, and I want that removed
ascii_field: fromphuctor: did you upload your key to sks? or did it live under your pillow, and you are telling us that someone stole it and uploaded it ?
fromphuctor: I'm pretty sure I uploaded it to sks years ago
ascii_field: then you are officially fucked and i officially have zero sympathy.
ascii_field: you are welcome to wait until mircea_popescu logs on, and ask him for a contact address where to file a frivolous lawsuit. he loves winning those.
fromphuctor: im not asking for sympathy, Im asking you to remove my name and information from your website
jurov: name and email (optionally even photo!) are part of public key and thus public.
ascii_field: fromphuctor: the answer is no. any other questions ?
fromphuctor: sure, ill wait for mircea
fluffypony: so you can hear the same thing again?
ascii_field: fluffypony: nah he wants to give mp his money
fromphuctor: nah, ill take your compan's info
fluffypony: my company?
fluffypony: my company doesn't have a public key in SKS
fluffypony: although you do remind me of this: https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/3cd6oj/im_in_highschool_and_money_was_stolen_from_my/
assbot: I’m in highschool and money was stolen from my bank account. I need help NOW : legaladvice ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hu5TJ9 )
trinque: encounters strange... gets scared and angry...
trinque: they ought to have a test for this in early childhood
trinque: fromphuctor: you've been done a service at another's expense, and you're behaving like a fool
ascii_field: trinque: we haven't even any reason to believe that mr x owns the private key to this pubkey (which? also no idea)
trinque: course not
ascii_field: nor that this fella's mother gave him this name (again, which name?)
trinque: sure, but y'know he's gonna SUE
fluffypony: I do find the righteous indignation humorous
ascii_field: aha. not even in schmuckistan where i live, can you win this.
fluffypony: it's not like this is a revenge porn site and we're laughing at the diminutive size of his member
trinque: it's a goddamn public phone book
ascii_field: mirror of phonebook with 1,001 mirrors.
ascii_field: none of which the fool wrote to, presumably
ascii_field: nor google, which appears to be the proximate cause of his sorrows
ascii_field: (why not write to google? they censor first, ask questions later)
trinque: anyone else noticed the from* pattern of nicks?
ascii_field: trinque: that's proper
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100300 @ 0.00054607 = 54.7708 BTC [+]
ascii_field: trinque: folks who click the link on phuctor www get a webportal into freenode
ascii_field: and that's the default nick
trinque: ah I see
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143200 @ 0.00054164 = 77.5628 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97200 @ 0.00053789 = 52.2829 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: https://www.os3.nl/_media/2013-2014/courses/ccf/chromecast-cedric-peter.pdf << re: the device spoken of yesterday. discusses fw reflashing
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HubrmW )
ascii_field: in other lulz, http://cryptome.org/2015/07/spooky-aircraft.htm
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HubVcw )
ascii_field: BingoBoingo ^
danielpbarron: SetBestChain: new best=00000000000000000581 height=365258 work=10171447580846858256181698 << my 0.5.3.1-beta node is syncing again
ascii_field: danielpbarron: was this a clock problem ?
danielpbarron: don't think so, or at least I did nothing to correct anything
danielpbarron: didn't even restart it
mod6: now it's workin?
mod6: ok so you've moved up 5 blocks.
mod6: would be inetersting/nice to see the ms time on how long it takes to process blocks {365`251, 365`252}; blocks > 900kb
danielpbarron: on a pogo the answer is a few minutes
mod6: hmm
danielpbarron: height=365259
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130150 @ 0.00053554 = 69.7005 BTC [-] {6}
danielpbarron: height=365260
thestringpuller: mod6: "The bitcoin foundation doesn't care reddit-people." - Kanye West
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40670 @ 0.00053319 = 21.6848 BTC [-] {3}
danielpbarron: height=365261
mod6: thestringpuller: ha
mod6: danielpbarron: ah ok
mod6: 365259 = 908.97k - 1090 tx's
mod6: 365260 = 249.83kB - 467 txs
mod6: 365261 = 909.83kB - 693 txs
gernika: Still seeing: connect() failed after select(): Connection refused
thestringpuller: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/07/inside-an-online-content-mill-or-writing-4156-words-a-day-just-to-earn-lunch-money << re: philippinoization
assbot: True confessions: I wrote for an Internet content mill | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0c6lC )
gernika: Maybe the qntra node is running short of connections?
ascii_field: 'The site’s support documentation explains how it works: “First you write a normal original article. Then you make two rewrites of it. All three articles (PDF) must have the same number of paragraphs and each paragraph of each article must have about the same meaning.” This is because the end product is cut up, chopped, and changed to create even more alternative stories. In the content-producing machine
ascii_field: , the sausage is just the start of it—that's ground up and made into meatballs, meatloaf, and a million other products.'
thestringpuller: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is down
thestringpuller: qntra has been down all day
thestringpuller: gernika ^^^
gernika: sorry, not qntra node, bitcoind node referenced in qntra article. canonical bitcoind node is a better term?
thestringpuller: you talking about the real bitcoin? or bitcoind?
ascii_field: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2164585-web-article-7-13-final.html << lolz!
assbot: Web Article 7 13 Final ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0crEF )
ascii_field: ^ purportedly official statement from 'hackteam'
ascii_field: (they don't appear to believe in pgp, so i cannot say if authentic)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00054551 = 8.2918 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73842 @ 0.00054667 = 40.3672 BTC [+] {2}
gernika: thestringpuller: mp's seed node listed here: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:4a4Og6KrsB4J:qntra.net/2015/07/most-serene-republic-begins-advertising-public-blockchain-seed-nodes/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
assbot: Most Serene Republic Begins Advertising Public Blockchain Seed Nodes | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hul30K )
funkenstein_: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/07/11/staged-isis-beheading-video-hacked-from-mccain-staffer/ <-- more nice hack story
assbot: Staged ISIS Beheading Video Hacked from McCain Staffer | Veterans Today ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hul4lp )
ascii_field: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2015/03/11/why-did-victims-in-islamic-state-beheading-videos-look-so-calm-they-didnt-know-it-was-real << usg's canned response to ^
assbot: Why did victims in Islamic State beheading videos look so calm? They didn’t know it was real. - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0dtRl )
thestringpuller: ascii_field: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_inverse_square_root#Overview_of_the_code
thestringpuller: tell me about this magic i've found
ascii_field: famous!
ascii_field: appears to be fully explained in the lined article.
ascii_field: *linked
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69400 @ 0.00053921 = 37.4212 BTC [-] {3}
funkenstein_: thestringpuller, wow that is awesome. do people use this in grav. or e&m simulations?
ascii_field: funkenstein_: mno. it's accurate enough for 3d shooter, that's more or less it
ascii_field: then again, i wouldn't put it past some chinese grad student to throw it in somewhere
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 162100 @ 0.00054833 = 88.8843 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000123.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0h2XA )
punkman: why no title assbot
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: i'm not really happy with the removal of the rpc password generator
ascii_field: but already said this.
punkman: is back
ascii_field: i suppose mod6 and ben_vulpes ought to make the call
danielpbarron: my node is held up again, this time at height=365262
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00053508 = 25.1488 BTC [-] {2}
ascii_field: danielpbarron: anything about rejected blocks in the debug.log ?
danielpbarron: not that I'm aware of
danielpbarron: grep for rejected shows nothing
punkman: danielpbarron: you have any logs with a reorg?
punkman: whoever does, maybe post to mailing list
danielpbarron: yeah, this same node has reorganized in the past, but that's not the case with this latest hold up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 227100 @ 0.00055471 = 125.9746 BTC [+] {6}
kakobrekla: [20:38:58] <punkman> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000123.html
assbot: [BTC-dev] updated debug_sanity ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0jsWa )
kakobrekla: [20:39:00] <assbot> ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0h2XA )
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0jrl2 )
kakobrekla: [20:39:14] <punkman> why no title assbot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9584 @ 0.00055851 = 5.3528 BTC [+]
punkman: kakobrekla: 10/10 customer support, would buy again
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37900 @ 0.00055941 = 21.2016 BTC [+]
jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html and it found its way here, too
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jmf6Zy )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21263 @ 0.00055874 = 11.8805 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140800 @ 0.00056568 = 79.6477 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200807 << myeah working on it. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-07-2015 12:32:12; jurov: ;;isup qntra.net
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200828 << i am never using cloudflare. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-07-2015 14:43:36; fluffypony: why not just stick qntra / a mirror behind CloudFlare? it's a news site, it's not like the information is super sensitive
nubbins`: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: and the infortmation of WHO READS IT is not usg's business.
nubbins`: why not use windows for casual web browsing?
nubbins`: it's not like the etc etc
nubbins`: why not smash your dick with a hammer?
nubbins`: etc
mircea_popescu: "Please understand that you mentioned you accept "Bitcoin" as a method of payment. Some online payment companies are fairly new and inexperienced and they do not provide sufficient fraud protection to members. When we review payment methods to determine whether they are allowed on eBay, two key factors that we consider are "Security and Safety" and "Ease of use". Please do not offer this payment method."
mircea_popescu: fucktards.
mircea_popescu: "ideology" ? yeah, that's right : usg's fucking ideology.
ascii_field: ferfuxxake, direct fiefdom of paypal
ascii_field: who exactly expected to be able to use btc there
ag3nt_zer0: good morning
mircea_popescu: dude, forget this expecting.
mircea_popescu: im not setting mental limits on the basis of implicit conventions.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200835 << myeah. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-07-2015 14:57:48; asciilifeform: pogo is going nowhere until we have a mempool limit mechanism.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I didn't mean indefinitely
fluffypony: I meant whilst this is going on
mircea_popescu: if i recall this was discussed, i was spouting things like "sort the tx pool by value per byte, kick out bad txn and nodes that propose them, always offer a buttered selection to askers"
ascii_field: no, i meant what i said and i said what i meant, walrus is certain one hundred percent (tm) (r)
ascii_field: gotta evict from cache or crash
ascii_field: unbounded data structure + finite ram == barf
ag3nt_zer0: the funnies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6nI1v7mwwA&feature=youtu.be
assbot: Philosophers Football - Monty Python's Fliegender Zirkus - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0n6ze )
ascii_field: we have two of these left: the block index (discussed previously, 300 byte per blk) and the mempool.
thestringpuller: ascii_field: you can set the policy to drop tx's without fees from the mempool i though
trinque: buhhh no search
trinque: so suppose I dropped a link to last night's islam thread
ascii_field: thestringpuller: not the answer to 'potentially infinite liquid shit in a finite bag'
trinque: it's a problem solved by both the WoT and building cities according to a concept of "good standing == access" not universal access for all
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i dun parse that, are you disagreeing or wut ?
trinque: cardano would be a nice device for this
trinque: you go up to some gate and do assbot-style authentication
trinque: and either enter or don't
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: was trying to point out that we need a mechanism to manage mempool on the node. just simple oldest-evict for starters.
ascii_field: rather than 'oomkill because retarded'
mircea_popescu: if we're going to do this, which is nonstandard, a) better make it good.
ascii_field: like i said for the orphans,
ascii_field: IT ALREADY DIES
mircea_popescu: there is no benefit to half-solving the problem.
ascii_field: already has the limit
ascii_field: sheer physical limit.
ascii_field: so where is this 'nonstandard.' ~ANY~ machine has finite ram, it is entirely standard.
thestringpuller: would this be first in first out type of mechanism?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41922 @ 0.00055874 = 23.4235 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: oldest tx's get evicted first for newer tx's received?
ascii_field: for starters.
ascii_field: this is closest to the default behavior (death of whole node)
mircea_popescu: so, how about, something like this : 1. pogo acquires max memory to be used for tx pool ; 2. pogo accepts txn into this until full ; 3. pogo calculates per byte value for eacxh accepted txn ; 4. pogo accepts new txn only if their per-byte value constitutes an increase to its pool ; 5. pogo keeps a score on all nodes ir EVER SAW, by IP! as to what txn it sent : -so much for sending unacceptable txn, + so much for sendin
mircea_popescu: g accepted txn. then it refuses connectioon to shit nodes. permanently. it still reads from them, but sends nothing.
ascii_field: did mircea_popescu just ask for a <=4GB db ?
mircea_popescu: this way, our nonstandard behaviour can at least be excused, nodes will continue to peer us for economic reasons, and your dream fo someday someone mining off a pogo may come closer.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field nothing wrong with keeping a finite ip db and flushing the lowest entries as needed, just like iptables works.
mircea_popescu: ideally the -so much, +so much and min_node_value are to be set in config file by user.
ascii_field: this is not a bad scheme, but - complicated
mircea_popescu: not worth doing the other one. you'll just end up isolated on the network.
ascii_field: 'why not start small, he said, offering the yoga n00b a single nail' ☟︎
ascii_field: no more isolated than if you do nothing
ascii_field: and crash
mircea_popescu , master of bitesizes.
mircea_popescu: yes. that's isolated.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: briefly describe hypothesis re: why an evict-oldest mempool node would end up isolated
mircea_popescu: because you present an arbitrary fraction of the current mempool, there is no incentive for anyone to peer you.
mircea_popescu: you may either present : a) the whole mempool (current best behaviour) or b) a selected fraction (hopefully future best behaviour)
ascii_field: this is different from 'isolated.' isolated would mean that extant nodes auto-drop you
ascii_field: 'no incentive' for most of the network participants to do what they are doing - is the current situation.
mircea_popescu: i didn't mean that isolated. i just meant, "and it never amounted to anything" isolated
ascii_field: ok
ascii_field: then - yes
ascii_field hopes that no one is waiting for ~him~ to write this, is occupied with other things presently
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200847 << this is actually not bad an idea ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-07-2015 15:08:39; jurov: dm-cache using 8 GB SSD would be worth trying, i will when pogos come
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200869 << eh stfu. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-07-2015 15:40:48; funkenstein_: for broadcasting a TX today i would recommend blockchain.info, coinb.in.. there are a few others that will get your tx to miners
mircea_popescu: ascii_field yes, complicated, especially due to txn chains. ☟︎
ascii_field: possibly the most dangerous change yet proposed
mircea_popescu: but it is i think the first chance to actually improve on extant code by writing something since the start of this project. rather than just cutting warts off and sewing the crater together
mircea_popescu: yes.
ascii_field: i dare say the second
ascii_field: parallel verif. - also useful
ascii_field: (and approximately same complexity)
nubbins`: <+ascii_field> who exactly expected to be able to use btc there <<< once listed a casascius coin on ebay. a buyer messaged me through the site asking to pay in btc :o
mircea_popescu: ah right
ascii_field: nubbins`: as i understand, buyer can contact you and ask to pay in cocaine
mircea_popescu: o look who's back. when did you get out nubbins` ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field his point was "who expects". apparently, buyer.
ascii_field: but if you accept anything but paypal - can be thrown out of 'ebay'
ascii_field: aha
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1201203 << consider posting some pseudocode for this, if you have a notion of how it oughta work ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-07-2015 19:31:33; mircea_popescu: ascii_field yes, complicated, especially due to txn chains.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: why would the network isolate you if you're dropping tx's out of the mempool?
thestringpuller: it seems this is broken, if tx's oom a nodes' mempool wouldn't this technically be a fraction of the mempool shared by other nodes with more memory?
thestringpuller: this being the default functionality
ascii_field: precisely what i said.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200905 << you can't, and fuck your stupid mother for fucking the lousy drunk that would spring forth an attempted abortion such as yourself for EVEN THINKING ABOUT IT. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-07-2015 16:35:26; fromphuctor: hello, how can I get my information removed from nosuchlabs.com?
ascii_field: thestringpuller: but it is also true that most nodes presently have sufficient physical ram to hold the mempool
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the notion that bitcoin is open "to everyone" does not include fromfuctorhead above.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is open for everyone who can keep the whole thing. the whole blockchain, the whole mempool, etc.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43400 @ 0.00056844 = 24.6703 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200957 << o motherfucker will there be no end of this idiocy ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-07-2015 16:58:35; fromphuctor: im pretty sure there's laws in place that give me the right to have that info removed
ben_vulpes: phrance!
ben_vulpes: whoa mp's getting out the banhammer
mircea_popescu: no dude, "the consumers have come to expect". pssshhh
trinque: ... and it's a beneficial service?!
trinque: for free!!
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: you know that's the shared arse for everyone who comes in from nosuchlabs.com, right ?
trinque: say "thank you"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86082 @ 0.00056869 = 48.954 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ascii_field on the same ip.
ascii_field: ah
trinque: ascii_field: but he banned the specific mask for that user
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> o look who's back. when did you get out nubbins` ? <<< just coming up for air 8)
ascii_field: ah i c
ascii_field: l0lz
ascii_field: imho the fella was trolling
ascii_field: he didn't claim a name, or a key, much less a signature of one with the other
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33529 @ 0.00056879 = 19.071 BTC [+]
nubbins`: <+ascii_field> nubbins`: as i understand, buyer can contact you and ask to pay in cocaine <<< i suggested to buyer we take tx off-site; he agreed. mildly surprised message filters or smth didn't get in the way
ascii_field: and readily admitted to having uploaded it himself, to sks
ascii_field: nubbins`: 'How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. but at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You have to live - did live, from habit that became instinct - in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard...'
ben_vulpes: trinque: the hsa company can't figure out their ssl cert
nubbins`: 8)
ascii_field: (tm) (r)
nubbins`: and yet here we are
ben_vulpes: trinque: and emails passwords baaack to users in plaintext
ben_vulpes: WOO
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes everyone emails passwords in plaintext. EVERYONE
mircea_popescu: it's fucking retarded.
ben_vulpes: the *stored* password
ben_vulpes: the *unsalted* *unhashed* *stored* password
nubbins`: i used to work for big insurance co
mircea_popescu: well if you email it anyway... why bother with bcrypt ?
nubbins`: called helpdesk one day with an issue
mircea_popescu: cheaper to sniff mail than to break server.
nubbins`: they asked me for my password over the phone
nubbins`: "you want me to just say it?"
mircea_popescu: and it happened to be drop table if exist dash dash ?
trinque: ben_vulpes: lawl
nubbins`: "but i work in a cubicle"
thestringpuller: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is down
thestringpuller: damn. down all day.
trinque: that idea of opening a gate with a cardano... really fun
trinque: I can't wait to hold one in my hands
mircea_popescu: myeah.
ascii_field: waitwut
ascii_field: opening a gate ?
ascii_field: i can't wait to see all the nails folks try to pound in with this microscope.
trinque: ascii_field: was imagining a futuristic city with access controls based on WoT standing in response to chetty's comments about islam and violence ☟︎
trinque: I've actually had a few dreams about such a place
thestringpuller: what if someone steals your cardano?
thestringpuller: lol
trinque: thestringpuller: same answer as if someone steals your anything
trinque: what's better, a retinal scan? lol
ascii_field: we had this thread
ascii_field: with mr ninjaspam
ascii_field: see logz.
trinque: ascii_field: which? stolen cardano?
ascii_field: aha
trinque: seems you'd have some other key elsewhere, you'd sign your cardano key
trinque: and you could perhaps sign a "my cardano was stolen" message to address thestringpuller
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1201280 << this appears in, among other places, 'beneath a steel sky'. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-07-2015 19:56:20; trinque: ascii_field: was imagining a futuristic city with access controls based on WoT standing in response to chetty's comments about islam and violence
mircea_popescu: ascii_field garage door!
trinque: ascii_field: neat
ascii_field: trinque: also not so easy. see the key revocation thread of last month.
trinque: k
trinque: in this case presumably the city itself would be controlled by someone in particular
trinque: so it is a centralized problem
trinque: *he* grants you access or does not
ben_vulpes: zhe
trinque: so there is a central point which can reject the key in the future
trinque: ben_vulpes: the lesbian dreadfort notwithstanding
ascii_field: assbotburg
ascii_field: perhaps folks who are '! downed' will slide, literally, down a chute.
mircea_popescu: cryptoguillotine ?
ascii_field: cryptodulap.
mircea_popescu: not sure i wanna see that.
nubbins`: cryptooubliette
nubbins`: hm. cryptoubliette?
ascii_field: we did that one here
ascii_field: 'coke machine'
nubbins`: bbl
thestringpuller: #b-a labeled gasenwagens?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58000 @ 0.00057034 = 33.0797 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120100 @ 0.00056091 = 67.3653 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: gernika_ it's up and down as i have the 363736 issue examined.
mircea_popescu: by now a multitude of people have copies, of that chain.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25126 @ 0.00055874 = 14.0389 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: relatedly : i am reasonably satisfied the ~950 kb single tx a few days ago was trying its best to make pre 0.10 clients unable to verify the chain anymore.
ascii_field: ^ mechanism ?
mircea_popescu: it didn't actually work, obviously, but i must say without all the work the foundation put in, it probably WOULD have. ☟︎
ascii_field: would love to read the logic behind this hypothesis
ascii_field: (i
ascii_field: 've been looking myself, for this)
mircea_popescu: ascii_field not fully understood yet, but it seems to exploit a buffer overflow in their own fucktarded code.
mircea_popescu: anyway, run your own .6 or .7 and see what happens. ☟︎
ascii_field: i still have a 0.8, it runs
mircea_popescu: but i said 6 or 7
ascii_field: ah hm
ascii_field: BingoBoingo ^ ?
mircea_popescu: it doesn't work ALL the time either
ascii_field: broomstick only needs to shoot once
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1201324 << waitasec, how's that work ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-07-2015 20:32:01; mircea_popescu: it didn't actually work, obviously, but i must say without all the work the foundation put in, it probably WOULD have.
ascii_field: afaik i'm the only one actually running a public-facing realbitcoinotron
mircea_popescu: the stator nodes don't suffer from it
ascii_field: ah
mircea_popescu: and no, i have nfi why
ascii_field: actually i think i do
mircea_popescu: hm ?
ascii_field: we cremate orphan tx. and the 'tx spam' is sent in rapid succession, and depends on previous instances of same, and hence spends much of its life cycle as 'orphan tx'
mircea_popescu: oh
ascii_field: aha.
mircea_popescu: yeah very probable.
ascii_field does these things for actual reasonz
mircea_popescu: yeah you know what, this work actually made a difference.
ascii_field: spiffy.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi where i'd be had b-a never happened and foundation never happened and etc, trying to make sense of this situation
ascii_field: probably somewhere deep in the 2012 shitter
mircea_popescu: as it is, i'll be moving infrastructure to strator.
ascii_field will enjoy reading mircea_popescu's old node if he ever gets tired of it and prints it
mircea_popescu: *towards* i guess, is the better word
mircea_popescu: neway, needless to say, i'm actually impressed. for once world of shit averted.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113593 @ 0.00054082 = 61.4334 BTC [-] {2}
ascii_field: how, i must say i wonder, did mircea_popescu even persuade anyone to shovel the sheer tonnage of shit to write his soviet pdp clone 0.6
mircea_popescu: had no particular expectation to see anything like this yet, either.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field it's complicated.
ascii_field: if it was written by a phriend, i would love to see him among our number here.
mircea_popescu: but the truth, in general, is that closed systems have a very short shelf life. you can get away with it for a matter of years, maybe, if you're very good at managing it. not decades.
gernika: <+mircea_popescu> by now a multitude of people have copies, of that chain. << got it. switched to another node and now syncing.
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Takes about as much time as any other "problematic" block but gets chewed through just the same
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: 0.7 ?
mircea_popescu: what machine ? what's logs say ?
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: 0.7.2 Just renumbered it to advertise as 0.7.3.9
ascii_field: incidentally, there's never been a better time to open a zoo of these
ascii_field: all known versions, etc
mircea_popescu: hm. might be too late.
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: very much so.
ascii_field: not too late, flood of crud still going strong.
mircea_popescu: the "tx spam" bs never did anything.
mircea_popescu: best i could tell anyway
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: it 'did' the 950+kB blox, what else
mircea_popescu: ah in that sense
ascii_field: aha.
mircea_popescu: nah, that block was a single tx.
mircea_popescu: and it was not even relayed (as it's not in fact relayable)
ascii_field: the one moving to/from 6-char brainwallets
ascii_field: afaik it is part of the overall crap fleet.
mircea_popescu: !up arhuaco
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118000 @ 0.00054811 = 64.677 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Ah, looks like megatx never got here
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94426 @ 0.00053831 = 50.8305 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: well that'd explain it.
thestringpuller: http://www.truthcoin.info/blog/win-win-blocksize/ << interesting haven't finished it tho
thestringpuller: but love the line "This compulsion means that, for the first time, the opinion of the ignorant masses (if misled, or merely divided) can actually destroy Bitcoin."
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200342 << twas my assperience ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-07-2015 03:27:43; asciilifeform: and stopped
ben_vulpes: phf: didja grunt out a script or something else i could try?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11323 @ 0.00053831 = 6.0953 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: http://36.media.tumblr.com/4f9a3353edb5edf22b8f889c0bc2486f/tumblr_n2apt70IYI1tsigedo1_1280.jpg << here's the woman, and here's the tech. therefore, woman in tech.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1SlHgDk )
mircea_popescu: any questions
mod6: !up assbot
mod6: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107850 @ 0.00053831 = 58.0567 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: don't you mean tech in women?
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: aka teledildonics?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 160874 @ 0.00055702 = 89.61 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146700 @ 0.00057024 = 83.6542 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: http://dpaste.com/39WJ5B5.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1f0YpFG )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36924 @ 0.00053974 = 19.9294 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36787 @ 0.00055576 = 20.4447 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95431 @ 0.00055576 = 53.0367 BTC [+]
Adlai: straw poll here, please
Adlai: who's ever had somebody try to sell them bitcoins unsolicited?
fluffypony: everyone
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
Adlai only lost that cherry tonight
ascii_field: Adlai: not me
Adlai: aha
trinque raises hand
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 2000 @ 0.00111 = 2.22 BTC
trinque: then the guy tried to give me some oddly
mats: smells like a trap
trinque: a miniscule amount
Adlai is guessing that ascii_field steers clear of bitcoin "meetups", of all their shapes and forms
trinque: mine was some scamzor from otc
Adlai: exactly. i ratted the guy out in front of the group, it was a little hilarious
ascii_field never went to anything even vaguely bitcoin-related in the flesh other than for mircea_popescu's c2 and c3
Adlai: suddenly everybody tries to buy
Adlai: HOW MUCH DID HE WANT etc
Adlai: ascii_field: bitcoin != Bitcoins
Adlai: shit
Adlai: but you get the idea
Adlai: one of those was a typo
ascii_field: not them, either
ascii_field: i live in wrong part of the world for this
Adlai: as though i'm in the right part!
Adlai: now it's my turn to 'lol'
ascii_field: although university of maryland did have buterin over as guest speaker, apparently, some months ago
ascii_field: i entirely missed this.
Adlai: one good thing did come of the meetup, my new Bitcoin Price Index is fees/coin
ascii_field: (they also had obama, no less than twice. also missed that. snore.)
Adlai: the question is... which percentile of "fees" is used in the calculation
Adlai: thus our answer is in fact just another question
mats: missed it? as in, you wanted to go?
ascii_field: no.
ascii_field: missed as in, was vaguely aware and didn't give a flying fuck
Adlai: please tell me it was the same event
ascii_field: dun think so
Adlai: last i heard, from the most reputable of reputables, obama was gunna "crush" bitcoin
Adlai: few days later, 300, 160, who knows what. here we are today.
Adlai goodnight
pete_dushenski: the only thing obama is gonna crush are his video game enemies in 'easy' mode.
pete_dushenski: the dude couldn't even put boots on the ground in syria, as fucking if he could do better than gavin and hearn.
mats: hey, he armed ISIS. close enough to 'boots on the ground'.
pete_dushenski: he could -maybe- throw a wrench in some up and coming social media app. maybe..
pete_dushenski: mats lol. now helping the enemy win is a victory !
pete_dushenski: because hey, can't just be losing wars for two generations straight.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35231 @ 0.00054945 = 19.3577 BTC [-] {2}
pete_dushenski: gotta find victories wherever you can. and, hell, just create them ex nihilo everywhere else.
mats: well, they weren't the enemy at the time. just 'moderates' looking for cash and weapons to fight al-Assad
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mats: circa 2011 iirc
pete_dushenski: maybe if obama promises to pay eternal tribute to the caliphate, isis won't wipe his face in his own vomit.
mats: hard to anticipate, they've gotta take baghdad first
pete_dushenski: mats sure, in dreamlandia where anyone can be allies with the devil and then turn their back on him whenever they feel like it with no repercussions.
mats: iran and the saudis are active in the region and may crush them yet
mats: out of sheer self-interest and to return the balance of power to as it was
pete_dushenski: saudis will fall to isis.
pete_dushenski: there's little doubt of that.
mats: i doubt it.
pete_dushenski: saudis are already teetering on the bring of self-immolation post-abdullah
pete_dushenski: brink*
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pete_dushenski: i dun seriously think that the saudis are ruthless enough nor rich enough to win this contest
trinque: and ISIS is rich enough?
trinque: how many oil fields do they have now?
pete_dushenski: a couple anyways.
pete_dushenski: but isis has a sufficiently powerful 'why' that their soldiers are cheap and oh so very cut throat
trinque: this much is true, yet
trinque checks over his shoulder
pete_dushenski: saudis don't stand for jack shit
trinque: no isis yet boss
trinque: just a lovely landscape
trinque: among other things I think whatever successes ISIS has had reflect that nobody really wants to have Iraq or Syria be their problem
pete_dushenski: and why should the middle east be anyone's problem other than that of the middle easterners ?
trinque: I am talking about middle eastern powers
trinque: I am not a scholar on the subject, but it seems as an outsider that the major factors are Saudi, Iran and Israel
trinque: those seem to be perpetually beating war drums against eachother; perhaps ISIS is a complicating factor in that situation which none want to approach lest they unbalance the former
decimation: saudis are not ruthless enough < I strongly doubt. Saudis would throw every merc in the world at someone challenging their rule
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decimation: also they would very likely summon usg
pete_dushenski: trinque those 3, yes, plus usa currently holding down the eastern corners of the mediterranean with turkey and egypt
pete_dushenski: decimation again, only if they can afford it
pete_dushenski: it's incredibly, almost impossibly expensive to fight against an opponent as ideologically driven as isis (or b, tmsr~)
decimation: if there's a threat to saudi rule - it's their own stomachs: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/07/saudis-solar-energy/395315/
assbot: Why the Saudis Are Going Solar - The Atlantic ... ( http://bit.ly/1TBbTaz )
decimation: pete_dushenski: not really, it's quite simple, they would fall to a single marine division if on the field in open battle
decimation: however, trying to dislodge them in an occupation war is another matter
trinque: right
pete_dushenski: aha, again, the expense of occupation of syria/lebanon is more than any soi-dissant 'world power' can seem to muster.
decimation: yes, agreed
decimation: mainly because nobody can convince themselves to give enough of a shit
pete_dushenski: so battles can be won against isis, wars will be lost.
trinque: it's reasonable to say that the appetite for total war in the west... ^
trinque: right
decimation: yes, isis is much too young to expand beyond iraq/syria
decimation: in 30 years after their rule is solidified...
trinque: if what's said about their regressiveness regarding science is true, they're not going to amount to anything
pete_dushenski: it won't take a generation if the saudi's run out of oil money
decimation: aye, true
trinque: they're going to what, shout about allah and shoot hand-me-down russian weapons?
trinque: and the force of their will alone will overcome?
trinque: I don't buy it at all
pete_dushenski: trinque well, the west's 'science' is a largely (if not entirely) a lot of fluff 'epidemiology'
trinque: they're a nuisance and if they become anything more they'll all be killed
trinque: pete_dushenski: that has little to do with them ignoring the subject entirely
trinque: I bet central americans had a great deal of "will" too
pete_dushenski: i see them as being quite related, if throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
pete_dushenski: trinque sorry, you're saying that isis is a nuisance that'll be wiped out if they get too uppity ??
trinque: I am indeed.
decimation: it's political suicide in the us to commit to another full-scale middle east war, which is what is giving isis breathing room
pete_dushenski: hm. i don't underestimate them to the same degree.
trinque: pete_dushenski: I could very well see something 20 years down the line that's much different
trinque: but it would require them getting that far
pete_dushenski: isis will continue to grow, because that's what lifeforms do : they grow.
trinque: they also go extinct
pete_dushenski: so it'll start with syria/lebanon and keep going
trinque: one might speculate it will; we'll see
pete_dushenski: to saudi arabia, yemen, egypt, etc.
decimation: maybe, but if this happens it probably won't be through open battle
pete_dushenski: decimation i'm with you there.
pete_dushenski: if isis is undone, it'll be from 'multicultural' technology
pete_dushenski: from the inside out.
pete_dushenski: i don't see an external player that has the means or the will to take them down. they're no wimpy upstart. isis means business.
trinque: sure, and their ideology is based on magical thinking
pete_dushenski: as all populist ideologies must be.
pete_dushenski: hell, even the 'elite' ideologies can fall victim to dreams.
trinque: let me put it this way: if something doesn't come along that could squash an ISIS in a moment, that's on us.
trinque: they're primitive morons with weapons somebody else's war machine manufactured
trinque: sitting on oil wells they didn't drill
pete_dushenski: so what, bitcoin made the computers, chips, and internet infrastructure that it's taking over the world with ?
pete_dushenski: we're all sitting on 5-10 year old hardware. idjits would readily call this 'primitive'
trinque: I do not see the equivalence at all
pete_dushenski: what you want 'advanced' weapons like nukes ?
trinque: isis is a cargo cult thinking allah will bring them more russian or american weapons if they piss in the wind some more
trinque: they will never make anything themselves
decimation: tribalism is in the bones over there, I find it unlikely that a political entity could centralize power effectively
pete_dushenski: trinque the equivalence is in the disruptive potential
trinque: as for bitcoin, one *would* hope those working within it do understand the mechanics of the technology involved
trinque: pete_dushenski: of what
trinque: on ISIS' side
trinque: there's nothing novel or interesting about their ideology
pete_dushenski: the nation states of the middle east as we know/knew them.
trinque: mongols they are not
trinque: they're not going to build a working empire when they're done
pete_dushenski: doesn't appear to me that they're trying to build an 'empire' in the centralised sense of the term
pete_dushenski: decimation perhaps not. though if you spill enough blood...
phf: ben_vulpes: eventually, aha. i'm not even sure yet that i can repeat the process. for example part of build process is a script that chooses between gcc-4.6 and clang based on whether it's .c or .mm. the fact that the result links i think is a miracle
pete_dushenski: trinque i mean hey, if isis were going the centralised route, don't you think they'd have a king or ruler already ?
trinque: they've got that baghdadi guy
decimation: they do https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Bakr_al-Baghdadi
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trinque: and if they can't organize past that level, all the better
pete_dushenski: instead they have -dozens- of fiefdoms, all pledging allegiance to an ideology and a black flag ☟︎
trinque: mongols had a khan ☟︎
trinque: furthermore if all they can manage is guns and missiles, the non-morons that understand science can respond with defensive technology that makes that irrelevant
pete_dushenski: not necessarily
pete_dushenski: under your defensive technology is a satellite colony orbiting the earth
trinque: cities have defended themselves well against raiding hordes of morons before
pete_dushenski: ideologies will rip through the heart of whatever armour you've got.
trinque: we build them today like they're safe from all that
trinque: doesn't mean we have to
trinque: and theirs is what?
trinque: praise be to allah the space god and pass the ammunition?
trinque: come on
pete_dushenski: trinque pre-instant communication tech, sure.
pete_dushenski: protecting yourself used to be a physical issue.
trinque: and how is their ideology going to rip through my heart?
pete_dushenski: i'm not saying it will.
pete_dushenski: i'm saying that it's war.
trinque: ah well there we agree
pete_dushenski: only the losers get ripped.
trinque: I would just like to see bitcoin kill these morons too
trinque: 2015 is no place for desert gods
trinque: (unless as I said, it's outside great cryptographic walls)
pete_dushenski: well, human brains are still human brains, i'm afraid
trinque: might very well be that something like ISIS will kill a great many "westerners" in the future
pete_dushenski: and it'll take more than a generation, or even a hundred, to change our defaults
trinque: and I could still imagine a world where I don't care
pete_dushenski: trinque for sure, because those 'westerners' are a bunch of blinded sheep who could use a good raping
trinque: I had this incredibly vivid dream years ago of a city which denied access based on some mechanism (undefined in the dream) of verifying identity and relationship to those dwelling within
trinque: walls and automated weapons prevented entry by unsanctioned means
trinque: entering the gate meant being approved to do so
trinque: ancient as it gets
trinque: this is what I would like to live within someday
pete_dushenski: like babylon eh
trinque: not something where every moron can piss on my front lawn
pete_dushenski: walls 30 stories tall
trinque: indeed
trinque: and if ISIS wants to keep the outsiders busy, have at it
pete_dushenski: well as long as you don't move the middle east, you can probably get by where you are, even without the ginormous walls.
pete_dushenski: it's one thing for isis to whip their compatriots into shape, it'd be an order of magnitude more resource intensive to bother with us.istan.
trinque: usistan may fall over on its own before they come of age
pete_dushenski: federal gov may 'fall over' but the only thing most people will notice is how much lighter the weight on their shoulders is
pete_dushenski: life will go on.
trinque: heh, true enough
pete_dushenski: mebbe chinese come in to rape the blondies and suck up the minerals, maybe they can't be bothered and they leave the peoples formerly known as 'americans' to reoganise themselves
pete_dushenski: that could be along existing state lines, or regions could be smaller or larger.
pete_dushenski: hard to say, really.
pete_dushenski: anyways, i'm off. don't be surprised if this convo makes it into a post :D
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trinque: ;;later tell pete_dushenski I've enjoyed when they do.
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trinque: so don't use bitpay, guy ☟︎
trinque: "Sorry for any inconvenience, this is just how these things work." << lol
mircea_popescu: derp.
BingoBoingo: ;;google site:trilema.com Bob Beck
gribble: The public burning of Bob Beck on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/the-public-burning-of-bob-beck>; The sharp friar and the golden jew discuss your options on Trilema ...: <http://trilema.com/the-sharp-friar-and-the-golden-jew-discuss-your-options>; "I saw, and was saddened." on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/i-saw-and-was-saddened>
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mircea_popescu: they've decided they wanna hang out with wintel and the rest of the "good guys in their own mind" club
BingoBoingo: At least Bob Beck's financial crowd. Thing was saved by the forces of good, then the forces of Microshit came with ongoing whatever the fuck
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
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BingoBoingo: ;;more
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