mp_en_viaje: there's at the very least some basis for this, such as a "is user entirely harmless or potentially harmful". user eminently harmful on pizarro, couldn't afford luxury to ignore negrates for instance.

mp_en_viaje: practice's been evolving multipliy, eg, people got booted off pizarro if negrated ; we never gave a shit / booted nobody off eulora for same (iirc).

mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo_, mod6 asciilifeform ^ by above item i'm to take receipt of 0.9 btc from someone there ; what's the status of pizarro liquidation ?

mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, so the inventory of pizarro in #pizarro, asciilifeform 's self-penned philippicae, in #asciilifeform and so on

mp_en_viaje: i dunno why all this herpy-derp anyways, wasn't s.nsa interest in pizarro a btc or thereabouts ? what's all the hw wank ?

mp_en_viaje: do you recall that time he managed to sabotage phd's attempted pizarro carrier run ?

mp_en_viaje: i would certainly not mind it being baked, and i dunno, i'd have thought the pizarro history shewed clear enough i also don't mind people doing things on their own at all. you can make it if you want, that's not an issue. but you won't be able to make it as things stand, not anymore than you'll make a useful electric car. a central needed thing's not there.

mp_en_viaje: or if not, let's dispose of the raisins first. what is your beef with the pizarro folk, they lost their own money, being derpy. you donated them some boxes, iirc

mp_en_viaje: lobbes i'm thinking of cloning the pizarro shared for sitting down your thing on ; but comments welcome.

mp_en_viaje: i see. ok, so what'd the charge be for the building of two clones of the smg machines + 1 clone of the pizarro shared server and for a year's hosting ?

mp_en_viaje: in the end i suppose whether build new or buy pizarro's comes down to what it costs. what does pizarry want for the two boxes used to run smg servers before ?

mp_en_viaje: the problem of pizarro was, 100%, your joint an' several failure to build it a customer base.

mp_en_viaje: to be perfectly clear, nfi why this keeps gettting forgotten, and thereby needs to be reiterated : the problem of pizarro was NOT!!!! anything even vaguely or remotely similar to "general staff in same trench". in part because eg, i resisted moving trilema whenever you asked, in part because trinque similarily, and so on. we had EXCELLENT partition of services, and principally because you weren't involved with doing it.

mp_en_viaje: wtf are they thinking it's anyone's guess (besides, of course, the fact that they've all been pizarro-ing the bed, the usercount has been dropping for 2 decades now, while the internet has been growing)

mp_en_viaje: then will systematically eschew building relationships for 1-2-3y however long this lasts, through combination of above-examined "dependopotamacy" in your head, natural shyness and paranoia, and assorted other warts ; then when they implode it'll be pizarro all over again, no options and no clue.

mp_en_viaje: there won't be a yes/no until there's a specific list of what pizarro actually proposes.

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945586 << the question keeps shifting, seeing how originally discussion was re coupla servers, not 28 fgs. in any case, the answer was then just as what is now : nsa will take .9 btc as it's owed in either cash or some other thing of equal value, for pizarro's convenience.

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940120 << is this when pizarro became inaccessible ? or more like late 3rd ? i seem to recall

mp_en_viaje: but is now in the record, i do believe original item did exist, pizarro didn't end up plugged out of thin air.

mp_en_viaje: re the ddos thing of http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944835 : i believe it likely ~same dork who started original pizarro troubles ; whatever birthday hundy his mommy gave him was enough for occasional 2Gbps bursts, sub-minute in length, and otherwise 4-5Mbpm sustained over a few mins, and otherwise whole fuel tank good for ~half a day or so.

mp_en_viaje: pizarro failure hurts not merely technologically, but also custodianly.

mp_en_viaje: i'm sorry that emergency continuation required you to leak most of the ip you built for pizarro.

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944931 << i didn't sign up for pizarro service for a coupla years. i singed up for permanent, and built business around that assumption/

mp_en_viaje: i had no objection to the run -- and paid for it ; pizarro failed. the expectation that this may be sustained in the general will need more bones and tears than mere "oh, socialism good idea poorly applied" level nonsense.

mp_en_viaje: this is certainly worth checking to exhaustion, because, obviously (and if not obviously, stated above), pizarro's failure is not merely a business matter, but also has serious intellectual repercussions.

mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, as far as any practical concern goes, we owned pizarro just fine. ownership is not the problem ; but customization puts undue power in the hand of the "Craftsman", who will imediatelly turn around to fuck you over.

mp_en_viaje: the pizarro irc isp suite'd have been quite useful right now, "here, use this"

mp_en_viaje: not like pizarro wrote itself one, for all the aferations of intensive care etc.

mp_en_viaje: aite, wouldja mind as part of pizarro continuancy plan getting a shared server ~anywhere online, and bringing the piz shared back online ?