ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-11 04:45:58 mp_en_viaje: so specifically trinque is this feasible iyo ? and everyone else also, is an hour too short a time ? other comments ?
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, it can't be the size, i tested this
trinque: entirely feasible, will respond to the article tomorrow after more thought, and some rest.
trinque: looks right-thing shaped to me.
mp_en_viaje: trinque, it's not an emegency, it's end of december. by spring or whatever will be fine.
mp_en_viaje: eminently not the sort of thing one has to do over xmas.
trinque: nah, I'm going to do my best to uncoil the spring.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-10 22:34:51 trinque: dorion_road: ftr I have no problem with trying out your thing and offering critique either. I do have a problem with armies that don't eat, so I'd love to hear how you plan to sustain the effort necessary to maintain an OS.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-10 22:27:34 trinque: I'm going to write something on why eating a product of socialists is stupid, and if we must eat shit, eating the least shit is the move.
trinque: the products of men are shaped by their politics.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-11 03:53:10 trinque: what is it you think I'm signaling to diana_coman's bunch?
trinque: narrowly, in its time, of microsoft. "whatever, literally anything is better than microshit" and now, of themselves, living in their own shit.
trinque: I am particularly aggressive to this, it being isomorphic to the church environment in which I was raised.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-11 03:56:53 trinque: but gentoo's a piece of shit. if it's not apparent why, I'll definitely have to say why.
trinque: ah, to speak less obliquely! protestantism, of course.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 18:39:12 trinque: dorion_road: ftr I have no problem with trying out your thing and offering critique either. I do have a problem with armies that don't eat, so I'd love to hear how you plan to sustain the effort necessary to maintain an OS.
mp_en_viaje: i dont know, man. from where i'm sitting, and i'll readily admit i'm not some sort of linux scholar over here, it seems to me torvalds came in two decades ago on a sorta-kinda wishy-washy platform, and a bunch of perfectly respectable men went with him because well, sorta-kinda wishy-washy is better than nothing, and because being an engineers they didn't know better. they were, so to speak, pre-headfucked by pantsuit agitprop, like cult-r
mp_en_viaje: aised children are pre-molested even before anyone bothers fucking them, they're groomed to respond "well" to moelestation.
mp_en_viaje: and then of course he turned around and took them right "home", like all of these asshats do, "mencius modlbug" was the same thing, Framedragger 's stupid whore same thing, etcetera etcetera.
trinque: that's a better bridge from protestantism to gentooism than I could've built.
trinque: premolested is exactly right.
mp_en_viaje: the switch part was i suppose self-obvious to anyone but me.
trinque:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-11#1955056 << it's hard because the flow of money through your business determines the shape of your product, which is to double down on what I said above. skillfully done, you accumulate a generally useful set of tools and the job gets easier, til eventually it's more of a product play than consulting
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-11 04:14:42 trinque: I've been in that business. It's hard, wish them well.
trinque: if you're taking clients with very different problems all the time, that'd result in an incoherent accumulation of disjunct items.
trinque: and when you're bootstrapping, you need that money, so yes, hard.
mp_en_viaje: his saving grace is that his clients are in fact very similar idiots in the relevant aspects, which is why i said well targetted. that's the key to success, always find a group of such idiots that, ideally, don't even realise it.
mp_en_viaje: but oherwise, yes that's the bane of technical consulting.
mp_en_viaje: his other advantage is that he needs less money than absolutely anybody.
mp_en_viaje: the two major money leaks in traditional start-ups are by very far 1
the pretense pump, wherein tiny new cos end up paying frisco rents because "iotherwise how to atteact employees"
trinque: heh, speaking of the pantsuit labeling everything its opposite, obviously the dorks with laptops are the most capital intensive businesses!
trinque: this because burn-rate, also labeled its opposite, a positive, because it justifies a higher valuation, somehow.
mp_en_viaje: but even leaving aside how a good wot means more access to capital than any fiat bank arrangements can provide -- the ideological structure well protects him from 1 and much helps hiom with 2, by supporting strong partnerships.
mp_en_viaje: he can get away with overheads incomprehensible for any other start-up
mp_en_viaje: yup, there's an entire body length of lacerations and bleeding sites he dun have to deal with here. which is what they call an edge in business.
mp_en_viaje: dorion_road, you read that article above btw ?
trinque: going back to "what is trinque signaling to dorion_road?" do not take ^ as some kind of invincibility.
mp_en_viaje: actually, i don't recall you ever saying, either of you ever been involved with start-ups in any capacity ?
trinque: I've started and sold and etc, yes
mp_en_viaje: be very explicit because it greatly benefits you for us to know how you're fucked in the head. like the doctor gotta know if you've been fucking any skinny girls in behind-the-bar alleys.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-11 04:37:25 trinque: so dorion_road, is the idea that there's a tmsr stack upon which what, systems are built for these folks holding piles of database money?
trinque: take the deedbot wallet. the assets aren't in the thing; it just counts them.
trinque: same with your panamanian guy. he doesn't have the assets in his desk drawer.
trinque: and I'm certain his tech for keeping track of which wire's going to whom, who's getting their dubaloos put in what paper, is primitive.
trinque: dork I know does this in oil
mp_en_viaje: everyone.does. every leak i ever got was excel. no exceptions.
BingoBoingo: In blood, stones, and squeezing Argentina's new-old government is... inventing new official outgoing exchange rate to shave capital flight, if there was any left to go flying
http://archive.is/xmsuL mp_en_viaje: wtf 5bn spent abroad, this is entirely imaginary
mp_en_viaje: if the whole of argentina spent 5mn last year its a wonder
diana_coman:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-13#1955265 - maybe it's something specific to the 3d block there that messes it up though it's not all that likely (if for no other reason than the basic 1. at first it worked 2. it still works as a separate footnote); anyways, I don't think it's worth the time right now to chase it fully.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 21:58:40 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, it can't be the size, i tested this
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:05:33 trinque: I am particularly aggressive to this, it being isomorphic to the church environment in which I was raised.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:11:41 mp_en_viaje: i dont know, man. from where i'm sitting, and i'll readily admit i'm not some sort of linux scholar over here, it seems to me torvalds came in two decades ago on a sorta-kinda wishy-washy platform, and a bunch of perfectly respectable men went with him because well, sorta-kinda wishy-washy is better than nothing, and because being an engineers they didn't know better. they were, so to speak, pre-headfucked by pant
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, well yeah but i mean, before it fails all pig iron's perfectly respectable. after, you find out it had a bubble.
trinque: diana_coman: I'm not going to do the "hurr, be a man and toil in this mountain of boy's cumsocks" thread again.
diana_coman: trinque: it has/had nothing to do with that either; but sure.
trinque: diana_coman: did the point of comparing open source to protestantism not make sense, or what
trinque: it's idiotic to equate "this man is loudly saying X is foolhardy" with "X man is a bitch" every time it comes up.
trinque: you may recall me getting similarly loud before pizarro crashed.
trinque: if there's anything to which I'm developing an allergy, it's the hubris cycle.
diana_coman: trinque: the comparison OS/protestantism made sense; I get the allergy to hubris cycle too, now that you say it explicitly; my point above was though precisely re loud-before-crashed esp given the long silence -punctured at times briefly, sure- before that; ie the outbursts themselves I get but I don't see to be very useful really.
diana_coman: and just to be on the clear side: it's not against "loudly saying X is foolhardy", not at all; if it's not clear though, I'll give it a rest.
trinque: you realize where I live the aggression threshold for "unpleasant company" is set way higher, or no?
diana_coman: trinque: you are not unpleasant company that I see, no.
trinque: one yells at his friends for going off the same cliff over and over again.
trinque: apparently this depends on the counterparty.
trinque: at any rate, I consider myself heard on the hubris cycle, and I've already committed to a few bile-soaked pieces on linux and other things.
trinque: dorion_road: btw, your gales has the same problem mp_en_viaje pointed out about my cuntoo. it doesn't actually have the sources of the dependencies. one provides those as tarballs.
trinque: totally solvable problem, and I expect what you'd do ends up looking what I've been working on.
trinque: at any rate one of you has a beard almost as awesome as mine.
trinque: "While I have striven to make prudent and security-conscious choices, I am not attempting to keep up with the "penetrate and patch" rat-race in its many third-party components." << This is somewhat concerning, in that you say "eh" about the "many third-party components". I'd instead try for the minimal possible bootable src surface area.
trinque: suppose someone's going to kill you for losing their 1000btc with this thing. What then about "not keeping up with the rat race"?
trinque: ^ it's this I mean by "let money flow over it, and let money shape it"
trinque: I don't think you expect to actually be yourselves patching acpica autoconf automake bash bc bison bzip2 cl-hyperspec clisp dash db flex gales-util gcc64 git gnupg less libevent libressl libusb links m4 man-pages man-pages-posix mandoc ncurses nginx ocaml openssh patch pciutils perl php56 py-setuptools python python-docs qmail readline redis sbcl sqlite sqlite-doc tmux ucspi-tcp vim xz zlib
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-14 14:00:22 trinque: dorion_road: btw, your gales has the same problem mp_en_viaje pointed out about my cuntoo. it doesn't actually have the sources of the dependencies. one provides those as tarballs.
dorion_road: trinque those are the packages in gports. some have patches by jfw. a task for tmsr.os is to list all the dependencies for the implicit clients. so many of those in that Gales gports list may not make it in tmsr.os.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-14 14:01:10 trinque: totally solvable problem, and I expect what you'd do ends up looking what I've been working on.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:00:11 trinque: nah, I'm going to do my best to uncoil the spring.
trinque: dorion_road: it's more a comment that "why isn't your patch a vpatch atop the gales genesis"
dorion_road: ah, right. that's a big shortcoming of Gales, didn't use V from the start.
trinque: I skipped it in cuntoo as well, for equally bad reasons.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:04:53 trinque: narrowly, in its time, of microsoft. "whatever, literally anything is better than microshit" and now, of themselves, living in their own shit.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:05:33 trinque: I am particularly aggressive to this, it being isomorphic to the church environment in which I was raised.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:17:31 trinque:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-11#1955056 << it's hard because the flow of money through your business determines the shape of your product, which is to double down on what I said above. skillfully done, you accumulate a generally useful set of tools and the job gets easier, til eventually it's more of a product play than consulting
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:19:07 trinque: if you're taking clients with very different problems all the time, that'd result in an incoherent accumulation of disjunct items.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:20:10 mp_en_viaje: his saving grace is that his clients are in fact very similar idiots in the relevant aspects, which is why i said well targetted. that's the key to success, always find a group of such idiots that, ideally, don't even realise it.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:23:32 mp_en_viaje: but even leaving aside how a good wot means more access to capital than any fiat bank arrangements can provide -- the ideological structure well protects him from 1 and much helps hiom with 2, by supporting strong partnerships.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:24:44 mp_en_viaje: dorion_road, you read that article above btw ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:25:10 mp_en_viaje: actually, i don't recall you ever saying, either of you ever been involved with start-ups in any capacity ?
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-10-16 dorion: in 2010 I came across Peter Schiff, American investor who forecast 2008 financial crisis. this opened me up to seriously exploring what things are and ultimately lead me to decide by spring 2011 I would do what I had to do to work for him. in January 2012, he advertised openings for commission only sales people to move out of usia and work for his new bank, www.europacbank.com .
trinque: ha! that's pretty cool actually!
dorion_road: yeah, it was fun and I learned/grew a lot. can for sure think of worse ways to spend one's 22nd and 23rd years.
dorion_road: in 2013 I met evoorhees in Panama, and took a job with Coinapult in 2014 to run customer service. I did some business development and got exposure to qa for the ~year that lasted.
dorion_road: the ceo and cto of coinapult spun off a development company and I did some consulting with them, but they didn't finish the software they started and I transitioned to work with jfw.
trinque: why didn't they finish? ran out of steam?
trinque: this isn't an insult btw; I've been a part of several that did.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:25:42 mp_en_viaje: be very explicit because it greatly benefits you for us to know how you're fucked in the head. like the doctor gotta know if you've been fucking any skinny girls in behind-the-bar alleys.
dorion_road: trinque they got lost on engineering loops and yeah, ran out of steam.
trinque: most of these failures in my own life amounted to mp_en_viaje's "toward purpose", i.e. they were narcissists reaching for objects conjured in their own imaginations, primarily to create the feedback necessary to sustain said narcissism.
trinque: my lately talking only of money isn't greed, so much as trying to humble myself into hustling for that dirty dollar^Wbuttcorn instead of ^
trinque: well hell, it's greed too. :p
trinque: back to the subj, what does a europac bank need, in your experience?
trinque: schiff's an interesting guy, has some of the right ideas, but it almost seems an accident from the outside.
trinque: i.e. "if we just let markets work" etc., the libertarian thing where the forces that aggregate into govt "just" wise up.
dorion_road: trinque I'll circle back to that in a bit, talking with diana_coman in #o
trinque: in reading her logs, I couldn't agree with her more. bbl
mp_en_viaje:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-14#1955358 << i don't think they've been thinking about it before in these terms ; but yes solvable. what's more : not only solvable, but beneficially solvable. it's one thing when cleaning up the place is approachable ; it's another thing when cleaning up the place not only is approachable, but actually approaching it necessarily provides an answer to why your scissors kept disappearing. as th
mp_en_viaje: ey work towards properly genesis-ing the thing, whichever points of resistence they end up encountering are bound to be quite informative.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-14 14:01:10 trinque: totally solvable problem, and I expect what you'd do ends up looking what I've been working on.
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-12-14 diana_coman: jfw: I went through your keksum proggy and it's been quite a pleasure really; a few nitpicks on top of
those: 1. why default/fallthrough on "bad option" instead of the more useful help option? 2. you have nicely \t everywhere except in usage_err in main.c where it's \s 3. just out of curiosity re
diana_coman: he'll end up doing a 3rd regrind of that genesis but once he does it, I'll sign and mirror it.
mp_en_viaje is annoyed by reference @acpica intelshit, but there's ~nothing he can do about it atm
diana_coman: well yes; and there are also C-specific annoyances but I don't think *those* are his fault now either.
mp_en_viaje: nothing to do with him at all, this is re the gales prereq pile
mp_en_viaje: honestly i'd much prefer an acpi-free machine, myself.
mp_en_viaje: i can't think of any desirable element in it whatsoever.
diana_coman: I don't really have anything to offer as a counterargument to that.
mp_en_viaje: i get it, thing comes with supposed full sources that supposedly build ; i don't know that anyone worth any confidence even tried to in the past however many years. it's still building the wrong way, what the fuck os-awareness of power button. whole fucking point of even having a power butto nin the first place is to have an ALTERNATIVE control mechanism to the operating system.
diana_coman: the usual "we're innovating aka corrupting because reasons", as far as I see it, yes.
mp_en_viaje: in the same vein i suspect bison is massively suboptimal wrt algorithms chosen, elegance of implementation, length, pretty much everything. would prolly greatly beenfit from a rewrite.
diana_coman: ahahaha; that reminds me of the "compilers" course at uni where ...
diana_coman: so you have to flex the bison, no other reason that I can see.
mp_en_viaje: makes about as much sense as axe head / handle separation
mp_en_viaje: basically software that's not outright banned falls either in the gpg category, like bison etc above, "barely working, extremely bloated, would greatly benefit from rewrite" ; or else in utf category, "massively fucking stupid implementation, would love nothing more than the right surgical silk to suture the wound with correctly".
mp_en_viaje: there's some slow migration from 2 to 1, like eg dns. but by and large...
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, truth be told there's this immense, but i do mean IMMENSE pile of accumulated tech debt via "i'll do it tomorrow"
device mp_en_viaje: i expect there's shit that still requires the same re-read and re-write it did back before the berlin wall.
mp_en_viaje: jfw, more's the point, why the fuck import git at all ?
mp_en_viaje: also, you're probably stuck dropping nginx altogether
mp_en_viaje: xz AND zlib lol ok, this discussio ncan continue later.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-14 15:01:02 trinque: most of these failures in my own life amounted to mp_en_viaje's "toward purpose", i.e. they were narcissists reaching for objects conjured in their own imaginations, primarily to create the feedback necessary to sustain said narcissism.
mp_en_viaje: most beings an engineer produce useful things only as an unintentional / coincidental byproduct of an internal cycle of self-assuaging that's broadly unrelated to anything else.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-14 15:05:33 trinque: schiff's an interesting guy, has some of the right ideas, but it almost seems an accident from the outside.
mp_en_viaje: the principal problem with the approach is that the guy is a radio personality, his statements are never that i've seen structured enough to constitute meaningful prediction. they're closer to statements of sentiment, and the value of sentiments depends chiefly on what your sentiments for the sentiment-er are. if it turned out nancy pelosi loved you deeply what'd it pay ?
ossabot: Logged on 2017-08-16 15:28:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect the gold people are very subjectively hurt by bitcoin doing what gold "Was supposed to do" and haet.
mp_en_viaje: the same sort of naivity permeates throughout, "oh, the dollar will crash". doesn't enter his mind to wonder "against what". it's been sorta-kinda crashing against the euro, i guess, but i mean look at the fucking euro. the whole fucking concept of the dubaloo is that "it hasn't what to crash against" ; and everyone's complicit -- the chinese sure as fuck don't want it crashing against themselves, for instance. the republic's pretty much t
mp_en_viaje: he only entity that can afford the fiats crashing against its currency, and lo that it has.
mp_en_viaje: and so on in this vein, yes us is confronting a "crisis of confidence" in the sense of complede decredibilization -- but it's
purely political, not monetary ; and its underlying is mindblowing military weakness, not industrial inefficiency. not that the latter's absent, but phenomena are driven by what they happen to be driven, not by the larger or most visible element. peo
mp_en_viaje: ple routinely fall in love with smart girls to the tune of 1 in 10mn because of their ass, that's ok-ish, but ok-ish to the tune of 1 in 500.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-14 15:04:52 trinque: back to the subj, what does a europac bank need, in your experience?