tmsr - Log 2019-11-26

trinque: best of luck to dorion_road then. last I heard neither spyked nor lobbes were free until december, and no, I'm not able to maintain the pace of engagement this appears to require.

BingoBoingo: It's looking like I probably should have started the search with Asia... Fastest non-autoresponder response yet (notably faster than when I approached the place for a quote)

BingoBoingo: 16 minutes from my solicitation to: "Let's schedule a conference call. What time works for you?"

BingoBoingo: I am suspecting Asia prefers Gringo employees to gringo entrepreneurs/business partners.

lobbes: fwiw, as I understood it the plan was trinque would be managing spyked and myself on the livecd/usb work, starting in Dec

ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-13 01:54:04 trinque: k, so this is little else than creating a signed tarball of the cuntoo bootstrapper's output, and building a livecd/usb that can unpack that item onto a fresh system, bundled with some driver firmware and a try-all-modules kernel.

ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-13 03:01:41 lobbes: I'm aiming to get remainder of mp-wp logger complete in under two weeks. Then rest of Nov I want to tidy up auctionbot. So Dec 1st should be a good starting point for me

lobbes: anyways, why not have dorion come in as the day-to-day manager, with trinque in a more advisory/consultant role? I thought this was more or less the original plan to begin with tbh

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953525 <-- way I see it, this version numbering scheme comes as a consequence of the adoption of a "move fast and break things" ideology. it's just numbers, the guys leading those projects don't try to make any distinction between "major" and "minor" changes anymore

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-25 18:40:23 BingoBoingo: also has no idea what justified version jumping from 4 to 9 in under a decade either.

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953543 <-- actually I've been getting some more intimate knowledge of cuntoo in the last coupla weeks, now I have a write-up I need to do on that... a couple of them even.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-25 21:24:34 trinque: best of luck to dorion_road then. last I heard neither spyked nor lobbes were free until december, and no, I'm not able to maintain the pace of engagement this appears to require.

bvt: spyked: ftr, this is just a brain dump, i'm trying to evolve my own understanding of the problem

mircea_popescu: trinque, not the end of the world, we see how it goes.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, that sounds pretty great, actually. what's wrong with asia after all, they have tiny weird looking chicks but i guess one can always rubberband a coupla together and fuck in between the bellies. vaseline conquers all!

mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953550 << because we're trying to not be / get out of being in the business of dicking around.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-26 00:45:11 lobbes: anyways, why not have dorion come in as the day-to-day manager, with trinque in a more advisory/consultant role? I thought this was more or less the original plan to begin with tbh

mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953547 << the thing you're quoting doesn't match the structure of a thing that may be quoted as the basis for "i understood" in this context, because it's the innard of a loop rather than the return of the level-adequate conditional block.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-26 00:43:50 lobbes: fwiw, as I understood it the plan was trinque would be managing spyked and myself on the livecd/usb work, starting in Dec

mircea_popescu: conversation, at least among well spoken & intelligent people and in the context of organizing work, very well resembles well written programs for well built machines for the exactly obvious reason : that's what the machine aims to be, a well spoken intelligent person.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953553 << countervailingly, the way i see it is that insecurity flipped once the generations changed ; the generation outgoing with the sept that never ended had a deeply rooted fear of its own inconsequence and inadequacy that manifested in a version of neoprotestant modesty whereby by the time a program reached version 2 something it had passed through three hands or m

mircea_popescu: ore over two decades and nobody was ever gonna make a 3 again.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-26 04:52:14 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953525 <-- way I see it, this version numbering scheme comes as a consequence of the adoption of a "move fast and break things" ideology. it's just numbers, the guys leading those projects don't try to make any distinction between "major" and "minor" changes anymore

mircea_popescu: whereas for the generation ingoing with the sept that never ended, their exactly just as deeply rooted precisely equal fear of its own inconsequence and inadequacy manifested as version number inflation, with which printing press to pay off on the hopes&dreams of a team of retards. simple monetization of the sacred cows of the previous generation, really, which is how neoprotestantism ever works.

mircea_popescu: "your two hours worth of nothing in particular still make you just as good as say that cuck derp dad's age -- think, he never made a major version revision, but you did! you're so cool...!!!"

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 05:40:35 mircea_popescu: all sorta chuck moores, "famous" and apparently ever so good and useful, just WAITING for you to give them a chance to strangle you.

mircea_popescu: which puts the whole "power ranger" idiocy in context : "we'll pay you in feelers!"

mircea_popescu: (among teh great advantages of ye log import : sql search for "power" "rangers" now yields 94 rows in set, all of the Forum logs for X format. yippee! i kinda do vaguely regret however not bothering to immortalize the original gushing fan on tardstalk, "oh, you guys are like power rangers!!!" in excited response to the perceived great acumen displayed by hearn fucking up bitcoin while everyone else was watching manga)

mircea_popescu: but anyways, a lot of this "it's just numbers" attitude since the innumerate have been "no kid left behind"'d into everyone's processes. then once cats finally join the fray as fully franchised theirdemocracy voters &c, it'll be "whatever, it's just calendars" and so on.

spyked: mircea_popescu, that inflation isn't limited just to version numbers tho. those numbers are just the tip of the iceberg hiding underneath a whole lot of stupid changes. e.g. gcc 4.7 to 4.9 had quite a few changes (among others) to default flags, admittedly. but 4.9 to 6, ffs that broke compilation for a lot of projects.

mircea_popescu: of course not, indeed so!

BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Logistics between GMT-3 and apparent GMT+8 are still being arranged

mircea_popescu: it does.

mircea_popescu: bvt, in moderation

BingoBoingo: I suppose Asian proficiency in English can't be any worse than Uruguay's alleged "Best in Latin America, though no one knows what the letters sound like" English

dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953471 << yeah, to start. let's see how productive 10 hours a week can be made and re-evaluate after we gather feedback.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-25 16:03:55 jfw: To update on http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950766 , I would be more comfortable with 10 hours a week, at least if it's an "intangibles and goodwill" sort of deal. dorion_road was in accord if I recall. And as discussed with spyked, the limited time could provide a good pressure to keep it productive.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-25 17:18:41 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953458 << nothing new or different, same old thing management always was. write a plan, get people to ~commit~ to parts, chase the commitments, reschedule as needed and so on.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-25 17:19:40 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953464 << just don't fucking circumvectamur amore about it, it's how all these other kids died.

dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953498 << Yes, we have to reconsider how cvasi-corp proceeds from here to integrate the work.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-25 17:20:37 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953471 << well, your cvasi-corp was working on this anyway, wasn;t it.

dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953501 << well, the gcc, busybox, musl static, et cetera work you've done with Gales are all of interest to the conversation and decision making from my view.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-25 18:02:15 jfw: mircea_popescu: a Linux distro, yes, though my understanding was that what we built there was too narrow in hardware and application support to be of more general interest

dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953543 << Thank you for the luck wishes. What pace of engagement do you see yourself able to maintain over say, a 30-60 day stretch ?

dorion_road: I understand the "what you're engaging" part is important to know in deciding, but for the sake of sharing an estimate that it's work you're interested in.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-26 00:43:50 lobbes: fwiw, as I understood it the plan was trinque would be managing spyked and myself on the livecd/usb work, starting in Dec

dorion_road: lobbes Reading your latest plan, looks like auctionbot work remains outstanding useful. How much work/time do you estimate for the auctionbot updates ?

jfw: dorion_road, diana_coman: we're in clear agreement that I should write it up then; think I should make that a priority for this week?

dorion_road: jfw wallet is top priority this week. can you get a start on your Gales writing as part of the time you have allocated for writing.

jfw: diana_coman: that needs to be done, yes; I suppose I'd have to do this as my morning writing, if you'd be ok with that

dorion_road: lobbes the understanding ebuilds self-assignment is a good starting point in the meantime as the strategy clarifies. How about you explain them to yourself in the form of a blog article(s) ?

mircea_popescu: this chan just became an utter pleasure to read.

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I don't know if I've been this strictly encouraging to read since the War of Life debut.

mircea_popescu: o hell yeah, remember those days ?

dorion_road: I will make it clear here that I judge trinque's technical knowledge and experience to be much greater than my own, from both programming and sys admin perspective.

dorion_road: For fundamental strategy decisions such as the static linking knot, I'm really going to have to lean heavily on the technical expertise here.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-13 18:16:19 bvt: re tmsr os - i am curious what work plan trinque will come up with, esp wrt static linking.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 17:07:58 jfw: I expect that'd be quite difficult, its libGL is a glibc-based .so

mircea_popescu: that's how it's supposed to work, anyway.

mircea_popescu: a project's in some trouble when management's technically above the actual engineers for chrissakes. and yes, the whole point of even having a republic is fine high escalation, so as to be able to deal well with insanely difficult rare problems.

lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953567 << sorry. I'll refrain from derailing my trains of thought into the forum going forward

ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-26 13:29:01 mircea_popescu: conversation, at least among well spoken & intelligent people and in the context of organizing work, very well resembles well written programs for well built machines for the exactly obvious reason : that's what the machine aims to be, a well spoken intelligent person.

lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953607 << indeed still outstanding. I'll aim to get a proper estimation in hours for that work out by Saturday

ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-26 19:26:28 dorion_road: lobbes Reading your latest plan, looks like auctionbot work remains outstanding useful. How much work/time do you estimate for the auctionbot updates ?

lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953620 << sounds good to me. The mp-wp bot needs to be completed/delivered this week (which I will have some extra time to do so due to upcoming US holidays). Once I get that and the auctionbot work estimation complete, I will propose a deadline for my ebuild 101 homework.

ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-26 19:49:58 dorion_road: lobbes the understanding ebuilds self-assignment is a good starting point in the meantime as the strategy clarifies. How about you explain them to yourself in the form of a blog article(s) ?

BingoBoingo: In new developments, next week will be meeting with someone from a datacenter firm that keeps POPs all all over South America when he hits Montevideo.

mircea_popescu: lobbes, if you refrain you'll never know what's wrong with them eh

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, sweet!

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm trying to get that number up to 500. Sticking with the small got a lot of the same dumb silence I met in 2017.

BingoBoingo: Asia's delivered some fast, but dumb. I am beginning to suspect folks with heads in the DC space may have moved to doing the POP in a bunch of other people's buildings thing Pizarro was intended to grow into.

mircea_popescu: myeah.

BingoBoingo: Actually owning, provisioning the Datacenter more of a Burlington sorta industry.

BingoBoingo: Anyways, they aren't paricularly looking to get more hands in Uruguay, but they are interested enough to have a get to know you sit down. I'm emphasizing my readiness to locate while moderating my expectations.