mircea_popescu: it is a matter of need : in order to ensure your space you must control whole chains. there's no escaping this, and so someone will have to. nobody particularly has a desire to run a cnc mill or an ic fab, but if one wants working software, one has to. and so it flows.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a naked woman can be taught anything if you're willing to break an uncountable set of sticks.
mircea_popescu: the part that's worth teaching is easy to teach, and unrelated to intelligence.
mircea_popescu: the part you won't teach them shouldn't be taught anyway.
mircea_popescu: "how to make this counterintuitive sht work ? " "don't."
mod6: so re: all the uint32_t, sorry that you're all having problems with this. I guess I missed a lot of stuff.
mircea_popescu: mod6 do you have any idea why your thing compiled it ?
mod6: mircea_popescu: nope. none. my deb6 environments (yes more than one) all compiled it fine with gcc 4.4.5. i didn't have problems on gentoo either fwiw. but not sure what the gentoo AMI had for a compiler. my guess is that I was fooled by gcc.
mircea_popescu: mod6 the question is : why has your compiler not complained about an undefined symbol
mod6: no good answers there.
mircea_popescu: its mother is, "what else is your compiler putting in you don't know about"
mircea_popescu: and their joint horrible twin sister being, "hey, turns out so called static builds aren't even static"
mircea_popescu: by now we have a family of these monsters, which is very worrisome,.
mod6: i think, maybe im not the right guy for this. or at minimum, I need someone who can look over my shoulder on this. there's no way we should have these issues 5 months into a project.
mircea_popescu: mod6 no, actually, there's no way to have these issues INTO GCC!!!
mircea_popescu: which is a 20 year old project, and which i had been using as a reason to justify why im not taking a piss in rms' hairdo
mod6: mp: im not sure I follow
mod6: I don't know why it worked for me.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 no, actually, there's no way to have these issues INTO GCC!!! << here. what?
mircea_popescu: mod6 what i'm saying is, this stuff would not reasonably be expected by you, nor is it a function of the project.
mod6: i guess it was doing something strange on my end, or maybe debian 6 has something strange it does?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why i'd kinda like to get to the bottom of this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform unprincipled exceptions are fine IF DOCUMENTED
mircea_popescu: the undocumented unprincipled exception is something entirely different.
mircea_popescu: the only way to find out is to hammer the things that worked until we know why the fuck they worked.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, ever published the recipe to obtain that "statically linked is not statically linked" error ?
mircea_popescu: people derping about how "bitcoin will fail because tis or that" are such fucking idiots, incidentally. COMPUTING NEVER WORKED.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's the peculiarities of said boxes ?
mod6: <+ascii_field> has any of you lot checked to see that the executable resulting from this build ACTUALL contains the openssl built by auto.sh ? << i never did, this could be a problem too
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mod6: <+mircea_popescu> the idea is, for someone wanting to copy your environment, to be able to do so with minimal work << i think going forward this is the only thing we'll support/build from/work on, something that we agree is "good"
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assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 22:37:17; ascii_field: mistook?!
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 i thought you tested it in vms ? << yup. one virtual box deb 6 vm, one aws deb6 AMI and a friend had a separate deb6 ami. my gentoo testing was on gentoo aws AMI also.
mircea_popescu: so it wouldn't have an openssl other than what auto.sh makes
mod6: i can take a look at mine in xxd, just a moment.
mod6: (the virtualbox one, in particular.)
hanbot: asciilifeform> maybe hanbot can try? gentoo box? << would love to help out, unfortunately i haven't managed to get it working quite yet.
assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 22:43:56; ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> we could readily employ thousands. << you and what budget?!
mircea_popescu: fuck that shit, obama is the blessed child of the heavens, can run deficits ?
mircea_popescu: i am happy to announce that for the fy 2014 serenissima ran a whopping 5798796857967496834% deficit
mod6: someone also mentioned that we (the bitcoin foundation) should host the openssl, bdb, and boost libs on our website for dl. i decided against that as i like someone to feel like they're getting a copy from the originator. (this is from yesterday)
mod6: so that's why that isthe way it is.
mircea_popescu: the reason i proposed that is because i have no doubt the "originators" will sooner or later run away with the code.
mod6: fair assessment. i thought the same thing at first, and even had all the libs on our site. then started thinking conversely about it.
mod6: we can change that up. that's easy enough.
jurov: asciilifeform sigh. it expects a clearsigned text, not just attachments with detached sigs
jurov: no that's fine, just put short clearsigned comment what are the other attachments about
mod6: my deb machine was installed in december, but maybe the system wide OpenSSL 1.0.1g was upgraded in feb. The version the system wide gives me is April 7 2014. The xxd output looks like its indicating the one from the system.
mircea_popescu: mothefucker. the two results lead to... referneces, without actual link, of the original.
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mod6: so if that's not working as expected, I (we) need help getting the makefile in order so that it does this correctly & the auto.sh script if that's part of the problem also.
mod6: obviously, i don't have a clue as to what's going on there.
ben_vulpes: mod6: how does that dpaste indicate the system ssl?
ben_vulpes: i don't know how to read xxd output at all
mod6: 'OpenSSL 1.0.1g 7' << is probably referring to the output seen here: OpenSSL 1.0.1g 7 Apr 2014
mod6: I don't know for sure though.
mod6: alf might know. i bet it's the wrong goddamn one
ben_vulpes: isn't that the release date of 1.0.1g?
ben_vulpes: the version of openssl you and alf found to not wedge bitcoind?
mod6: my hunch is that this is not working as expected. I need alf to verify for me.
mod6: asciilifeform: is there a definitive way to check the binary for which SSL is linked in?
mod6: did you see my paste?
mod6: yeah i get nothing from these: root@debian-test:~/release-test/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/bitcoin/src# readelf -a bitcoind | grep -i ssl
mod6: root@debian-test:~/release-test/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/bitcoin/src# readelf -a bitcoind | grep -i SSL
mod6: so need to run in gdb and disassemble.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> which is one of the penalties for going static << The most important part of a turkey sandwich is the ham
mod6: next part here... in your email, it seems that you apply your patch "asciilifeform-kills-integer-retardation.patch", and this doesnt seem to completely solve it...
mod6: there is another error beyond that one??
mod6: yeah,it's weird. it seemed to puke on this:
mod6: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.3/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lssl
mod6: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.3/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lcrypto
decimation: that's a good point, why is ld complaining
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not retarded having a manifest with it dood.
decimation: dynamic libraries are the depressing result of the c-machine's sad attempt to have a global namespace
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> cannot possibly work for static build. << this.
mircea_popescu: the only reasonable way to go forward at this point would be a) edit the source of the ssl we intend to use to include a magic string ; b) make ; c) strings on the binary.
mircea_popescu: in general this is the golden pill to defeat "general purpose" poisoned compiler, that auto-pulls the magic diddled dependency : put a x = "hash" in the code, compile, see if it included it.
mircea_popescu: "/home/stas/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/include/boost/asio/detail/impl/socket_ops.ipp:2900: warning: Using 'getaddrinfo' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: this is seriously a bigger deal than whatever obama fucking derped today.
decimation: if I recall the getaddrinfo calls up the resolv.conf apparatus
decimation: ie it loads 'binary plugins' by design
mircea_popescu: so basically the problem there is that it says it's static but links dynamically ?
decimation: I gather the warning means that it will probably work on the system on which it is built but if you move it to a different system (the binary) you might not be able to resolve dns properly
decimation: yes, the traditional glibc/dns client shit is quite turdly
decimation: but apparently nobody gives a shit, like the open ntp ddos amplifiers
mircea_popescu: which then inspires idiocy in stuff like wordpress. "hey, open ddos amplification is industry standard!!11"
BingoBoingo: <decimation> but apparently nobody gives a shit, like the open ntp ddos amplifiers << Software names make this shit weird because there was ntpd which had this problem and openntpd which to my knowledge didn't
decimation: ntpd was a somewhat misguided attempt to turn unix into a 'scientific instrument'
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decimation: "But enough of such simplicities, let us now turn our attention to the real headscratcher. The source of that drum was Los Alamos, which is largely – but by no means exclusively – a nuclear weapons lab. And we have someone there who apparently preferentially purchases organically. A"
BingoBoingo: Oppenheimer himself was enough of a hippy to go on the "bad" list
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BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: without a full deturding of a stack there likely can not be a single one blessed OS
ben_vulpes: at the end of the day, man must compute
decimation: ben_vulpes: I use rhel because I know it
decimation: it was used in my day job, became a habit
decimation: although I agree with folks who assert that redhat is gov't influenced, I also think that there is something to the idea of freezing a baseline and keeping it stable
BingoBoingo: OpenBSD has been nice to me, but weird compared to linux and as a point that displeases MP poor fundraiser Bob Beck is in their WoT
decimation: my issue with openbsd is relatively poor hardware support
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BingoBoingo: I had to replace the wifi card in this machine at a cost of $25, but that was not a dealbreaker. It's the other weird that prevents wholesale recommendation. It to asciilifeform's disappoint lacks an Ada
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: OpenBSD does not have a working ada in its ports that I could discover
BingoBoingo: If I want to revert to Nigbuntu or a linux, Sure I can get an Ada.
decimation: ben_vulpes: what linux/unix are you most familiar with?
decimation: I made a bug report on macports recently, was told to fix myself
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll add that on the 5.7 release to do list
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (assuming ordinary gcc still builds there!) << It seems they use a... modified GCC
decimation: I'm sure you can get ada working on osx but it's not as simple as 'port install gnat'
decimation: actually some folks have tried to build ada kernel
BingoBoingo was going to pick up an UltraSparc box this month, but the Chimp in Chief has forced a revision of all my budget priorities
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: is your medium-term goal to cross compile bitcoind with buildroot?
ben_vulpes: (is it in the set of whatever whatever)
BingoBoingo naive, insufficiently initiated here, but how does 0.5.3.1 build with libressl portable 2.0 or later on a linux?
mod6: it probably does not
decimation: I remember fixing that by turning off docs
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i recently got an itch to try that myself
ben_vulpes: join the glorious open source archaelogy project of #bitcoin-assets
ben_vulpes: "does the sub fly if i tape this jet engine to it?"
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 21:33:29; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform stuck with math proven equivalence.
BingoBoingo: I suggest this not as a solution to the OpenSSL turdation and version hell, but as a way to identify which parts of OpenSSL turdify unforgivably
decimation: If you look at how redhat 'maintains' a baseline of code, you find that they pile up patches as shit breaks
BingoBoingo only gave chewing tobacco 3 weeks as a habit before returning to smoked tobacco
decimation: this kinda 'works' when you are trying to keep a somewhat frozen baseline
decimation: not so much if you want to add any features
decimation: ^ real security is designed without bugs
decimation: but as long as 'we' are maintaining someone else's code it's pretty much inevitible to fall into the hole
decimation: "Compare this to the example I gave earlier of performing a TLS exchange with Amazon. This performs an in-depth test of all the crypto algorithms (corresponding to the FIPS algorithm tests, including ones that FIPS ignores), and the crypto mechanisms (many/most of which FIPS again ignores). In other words simply by connecting to Amazon using TLS and ordering a "Scrubs" DVD for
decimation: $19.95 I'm getting more comprehensive algorithm testing than I can for a five-figure sum with the FIPS algorithm tests."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133000 @ 0.0002609 = 34.6997 BTC [+]
decimation: "U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), a division of U.S. Homeland Security, said it would pull the plug on its 17,600 employee BlackBerrys and favor iPhones instead. The deal, according to a "solicitation" document, would be worth $2.1 million — to the U.S. taxpayer, at least."
decimation: asciilifeform: usg buys everything on the 'friends&family' plan
ben_vulpes: i dunno man, new relic isn't terrifically dependent on government purchases.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> maybe not where you live. << You may know there where, but not the how to look
ben_vulpes: "everything comes from the government" my arse
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> is mickey-d usg ? << When I worked there after Library school frozen meat cam in boxes labeled Cargill, member of Carlisle group, indicted somewhat in Farenheit-911
ben_vulpes: modern fascist state permutation of all aspects of life.
ben_vulpes: plenty happens beyond its domain. its domain, as was the french, is vastly less broad and strong than it thinks.
decimation: 'the mountains are high and the emperor is far away'
BingoBoingo: <decimation> asciilifeform: usg buys everything on the 'friends&family' plan << And no one knows how tenous their connection is as Force, Carl Mark IV can likely attest
decimation: BingoBoingo: "Among the purposes of 'Snowden' - who never 'stole' any documents - is to increase the sense of terrorism and blackmail among governments; " < to believe this is to travel through the looking-glass
BingoBoingo: decimation: I have never seen pills colored #FF000 nor #0000FF even when observing pharmacy school slide decks for two years
BingoBoingo: decimation: Snowden is not a person with Agency, yet he has handlers who are Agents.
decimation: mircea_popescu: note that china knows how this game works; is taking 'possession' of the south china sea
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 02:00:00; BingoBoingo: OpenBSD has been nice to me, but weird compared to linux and as a point that displeases MP poor fundraiser Bob Beck is in their WoT
mircea_popescu: decimation im very much left wondering by asciilifeform's ideas about china. i dunno that it's in any sense comensal with the us.
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decimation: well, china has a relatively small core of 'managers', usg is really a headless beast
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I know openbsd has a plan for governance post-Theo. The exact plans are opaque to me. It would be abberant for Beck to naturally outlive Theo, but... known unknown
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "I can verify that downgrading to Perl 5.16 works." uh ?!
nubbins`: asciilifeform haven't peeked at your latest mail yet, but applying the portatronic patch turns my uint32_t error into an int64_t error
nubbins`: but there's another error right before that, almost missed it.
nubbins`: bitcoinrpc.cpp:1761:30: error: expected primary-expression before ‘(’ token
nubbins`: but really though, the closest stable gcc version to mod6's 4.4.5 that portage still carries is 4.4.7
nubbins`: tbh gentoo is the odd one out here, which is curious
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assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 02:21:46; asciilifeform: aha so now we have a local fork of openssl ?
mircea_popescu: since bitcoin pulled the code AS IT WAS and built a chain on it, the optionsare :
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo da force gotta know what to steal, right ?
mircea_popescu: usg doing a splendid job of getting the muppets do the "case da joint" work for free.
decimation: ^ french housewives enforced the various 'maximums'
BingoBoingo actually affected by MP's deed of the day. lacks assets for USG to steal
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 02:24:41; asciilifeform: this is 'the hole through which the night walks in', to borrow a mircea_popescuism
mircea_popescu: hm... check that out, actually it isn't. he has a "coming through a hole in the air", thing. and there's an excellent "the night comes on. it's very clam. i'd like to imagine my father was wrong..." very powerful verse somewhere else.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's probably useful in building the lists of who can be dekulakized willingly.
BingoBoingo: I dunno if anyone here other than hanbot will be familiar with BuzzDave's MO, building ASIC mining farm at any budget, whether feeds scamzors or not in the process irrelevant
mircea_popescu: well... nothing is as strictly relevant to national security as a mining farm, factually speaking.
mircea_popescu: airjets can be made out of imported parts. and are. and they suck. and it doesn't matter.
BingoBoingo knows of no circumstantial evidence that suggest USG proxy more than exists for BuzzDave.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo we're talking more "coming years" than "situation atm" here.
decimation: parts of usg would gravely protest other parts of usg minting non-usd
BingoBoingo imagines in this instance lizards sacrificing CoinBase cred in swap to offer cred to Dave
mircea_popescu: ". The deal, according to a "solicitation" document, would be worth $2.1 million — to the U.S. taxpayer, at least." << how to get 20k ipads for 100 bucks each ?
mircea_popescu: decimation this is not going away. the usg's hunger for btc far exceeds its hunger for anything else COMBINED.
decimation: mircea_popescu: perhaps, but to fully realize it usg would have to publicly destroy the dollar bezzle
mircea_popescu: you act from this strange notion of perfect knowledge.
decimation: who is gonna want to be paid in dollars while the fed is hoarding bitcoin
mircea_popescu: who wants to fuck with an ipad when there's a perfectly usable desktop ?
decimation: I suppose the same holds roughly true with gold
mircea_popescu: who, pray tell me, eats the shit it eats that it just shat ?
decimation: but the sheer fact of usg's gold's possession 'made' it the reserve currency
mircea_popescu: the sheer fact of the b-a of the time made it. the usg follows in all dances. never yet lead, never will lead.
mircea_popescu: and as "we" have agreed bitcoin is what it is, well...
decimation: the 'headless beast' is hard to kill but easy to misguide
mircea_popescu: "i am arthur son of uther pendragon, defeater of the molds, killer of the bilge water!"
decimation: one could imagine killing an ant colony, but not all ants on a continent
decimation: asciilifeform: one wonders what the openssl authors use as a 'baseline os'
nubbins`: "glibc uses libnss to support a number of different providers for address resolution services. Unfortunately, you cannot statically link libnss, as exactly what providers it loads depends on the local system's configuration."
decimation: nubbins`: no that's a different issue, not critical
nubbins`: i'm in lockstep with you, seems
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BingoBoingo: This is BingoBoingo and welcome to day one of Axe time
decimation: asciilifeform: it strikes me that a handy product would be a little ada microcontroller with an implementation of rsa
BingoBoingo unsure how to handle axe time behind enemy lines
decimation: well, the point is that a fairly rigorous device could be made
decimation: and I suggest that key material is loaded with: paper card
decimation: easily human inspection AND comparison
decimation: the trouble is getting enough 'holes' on a reasonable size paper
BingoBoingo: If this is what axe time is like /me wonders about sword time survivability
decimation: heh it's not a particularly fancy circuit
decimation: surely someone in the 'unreliable nation' would have had suspicions
decimation: "The value of the dummy-load resistors is choosen carefully, so that they the circuit draws the same current as the solenoids. As a result, the PSU will not only supply a constant voltage, but will also consume a constant current" < this seems dubious on production units
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decimation: was that one of your 'tiny pcbs in a tin'?
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2015 06:16:02; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: before i fall asleep, i remembered to tell, that there actually were 'integrated circuits' in ussr that were built in the way you suggest
nubbins`: asciilifeform do you have libssl.so, libcrypto.so on your system? (/usr/lib64, perhaps?)
nubbins`: are they symlinked to .so.1.0.0 like mine are?
decimation: yeah it's kinda the magnetic equivalent of a bigass flywheel
decimation: that actually sounds pretty effective, assuming the listener didn't have a recorder
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decimation: la wik' seems to imply that the "system 3" punch card was the most densely packed card in common use
decimation: you would still need many of those cards to hold a standard gpg key
decimation: one of the reasons why the "PC" was such a success (as in the commodore, etc) was because many universities had taken to putting their computers behind a locked wall
decimation: obviously 'actual people' were not exactly thrilled with the idea of being treated like criminals while calculating
decimation: so there was a hunger to 'own' said machine
decimation: but it was made worse because apparently the hippies of the time took to 'attacking' the machines
decimation: because they were seen as a symbol of 'the man'
decimation: yeah because the hippies want to 'set free'
decimation: socialist dumbfuckery is like pollution, it ruins everything
decimation: yeah, the 60's were definitely a golden age of the hard sciences in the us
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decimation: perhaps. it's hard not to see things taught to undergrads as 'not obvious'
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assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 03:26:39; decimation: asciilifeform: one wonders what the openssl authors use as a 'baseline os'
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 03:29:10; asciilifeform: ok so nubbins` has what i have.
mircea_popescu: once i was done screaming so people could ask questions.
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 03:34:34; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu:fork the chain or maintain the historical copy. << third option: make new apparatus, prove idempotence.
mircea_popescu: in that "proof of idempotence" has generally been orders of magnitude more successful at proving the proving party has no idea what proving means,
mircea_popescu: "Please note that due to security reasons from this release on the minimal mDNS stack included in nss-mdns (dubbed "legacy") is no longer built by default. Thus, nss-mdns will not work unless Avahi is running!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude how did you dig up the fialka thing.
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mircea_popescu: i suppose "works according to what we know how to do" is the one standard of tradecraft.
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 03:51:47; asciilifeform: i can see this being given to unreliable warsaw pact nations to -amplify- their tempest emanations
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 04:00:21; asciilifeform: considering that solenoid is an inductive load, and resistor is - well - resistive.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck not put in there... some "carefully chosen" solenoids of the right fucking charge.
mircea_popescu: how hard is it to reproduce a coil of wire with... another coil of wire!
BingoBoingo did not expect axe time to offer this much lead to work the whetstone before sword time
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 04:09:37; asciilifeform: but 'omg11111111111111!1!!11!!11 not convenient!!'
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mircea_popescu: "To view a downloaded movie, you double-click it. And then you're watching it. Stick a recent commercial DVD into your player, though, and you'll probably have to sit through lengthy, un-skippable warnings about how dastardly is the piracy in which you did not just engage."
mircea_popescu: "if kids continue to not show up for class, the class will continue to get detention!"
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assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 04:44:24; asciilifeform: they could be put on the tree today and would stay unpicked.
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nubbins`: In April 2014, BitStamp representatives messaged Force, asking him why he was accessing his account through Tor. He responded through the support ticket: “I utilize TOR for privacy. Don’t particularly want NSA looking over my shoulder :)”
nubbins`: BitStamp management found this message to be, well, incredibly weird.
nubbins`: yep. INCREDIBLY WEIRD, this. a guy using tor.
nubbins`: so i get woken up 3:30am last night by the guy next door POUNDING on the wall
nubbins`: after a few minutes of this, my doorbell rings, so i go grab a chunk of wood to cave the guy's face in with
nubbins`: and it's my piece of shit roommate who lost his keys
nubbins`: because, y'know, if you lost your keys three days ago, you should come home drunk to a locked house at 3:30am
Adlai: sounds like his plan was "pick a time when nubbins`'s probability density is most concentrated within the home"
nubbins`: or, since i am generally always home, pick a time when any normal person is precisely in the middle of a night's rest
nubbins` can't wait to reduce the head count in here
Adlai: breaking news: not all interspecies interactions are beneficial for both parties, or even either!
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mike_c: funkenstein_: blockchain sync progress on a SSD vs. 5400 rpm platters.
lobbes: I posted obamaz magic decree to my facebook. Quite expectedly, no one cares.
lobbes: I feel the cynicism growing inside me
Chillum: obama is magical? I knew it1
nubbins`: <+lobbes> I posted obamaz magic decree to my facebook. Quite expectedly, no one cares. <<< no one, including you
Chillum: some sociologists are magical twits
nubbins`: golly gee, you shared a whole link on bookface?
lobbes: yes yes, I deserve that
nubbins`: put another way: maybe all your bookface friends care just as much as you do
nubbins`: i.e. they care enough to share a link
nubbins`: but you did it first, so "*shrug* w/e"
lobbes: hmm I see what you mean
lobbes: just 'hey, "be aware"'
nubbins`: the slightest twitch of a finger.
nubbins`: yes, and awareness has done wonders so far 8)
lobbes: so are the only real options: 1) gtfo 2) wait for the eventual hanging?
nubbins`: no, but i'll leave the other options for you to figure out
nubbins`: some things you can't be shown, neh?
lobbes: I'd like to believe if I just focus on myself and amass enough wealth I can weasel my way through time
lobbes: some things you can't be shown, neh? << agreed. Trial by fire, eh?
nubbins`: well, i'd like to believe this is all an illusion and i'll eventually wake up, my 16-year-old self, sweating through the mattress in a fever dream
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nubbins`: asciilifeform mod6 ben_vulpes and others: on a side note, auto.sh doesn't put the openssl headers in /ourlibs/
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funkenstein_: power rangers added more int types later like arith_uint256
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assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 03:26:58; nubbins`: "glibc uses libnss to support a number of different providers for address resolution services. Unfortunately, you cannot statically link libnss, as exactly what providers it loads depends on the local system's configuration."
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 03:27:23; decimation: nubbins`: no that's a different issue, not critical
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mod6: yeah, what we need now is a build environment as discussed yesterday. or we really can't move forward.
nubbins`: i know qemu was bandied about in the past
mod6: are you talking to me?
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mod6: i thought everyone wanted to create a common gentoo configuration.
mod6: anyway, that's the deal. we need something that we can work with; one supported environment, blessed by alf.
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nubbins`: you don't generate a public key from an email address, you generate it from a private key
funkenstein_: nubbins i can hold the private key for you don't worry
assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 22:18:14; ascii_field: nubbins`: but even something like living in a dwelling without the company of strangers is a titanically expensive luxury in most of the world
nubbins`: anyway i gave said idiot the boot
nubbins`: i think the openssl build has some problems
nubbins`: asciilifeform his bedroom is being turned into a paper-printing studio
nubbins`: pink eye will make up the rent shortfall
nubbins`: incidentally i tried a non-static build of openssl, auto.sh barfs w/ same error
nubbins`: oh ha is that what's using it!
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nubbins`: wow, the latest DDOS attack against the forum seems to have reinstated the ability to change/add avatars
mats: funkenstein_: read the extract
nubbins` takes this opportunity to make his avatar look meaner
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danielpbarron: A problem in Truecrypt is that in some extremely rare circumstances, the Crypto API can fail to properly initialize. When this happens, Truecrypt should barf and catch fire. Instead it silently accepts this failure and continues to generate keys.
mats: For example: the most significant issue in the Truecrypt report is a finding related to the Windows version of Truecrypt's random number generator (RNG), which is responsible for generating the keys that encrypt Truecrypt volumes.
ben_vulpes: <mod6> [14:57] anyway, that's the deal. we need something that we can work with; one supported environment, blessed by alf. << asciilifeform, what's the One True Build Target for La Serenissima?
nubbins`: gentoo on amd64, but the shit don't work
ben_vulpes: if it doesn't work how is it a candidate now?
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nubbins`: gentoo is ostensibly used by alf because it's the sanest. the fact that bitcoind doesn't compile on it doesn't necessarily mean that the OS is the problem, nor does it mean a turd should be adopted as the OTBT
nubbins`: i don't know nearly enough about gcc to be of much further use atm
nubbins` is good at figuring things out but is currently in position of "doesn't know what questions to ask"
ben_vulpes: anyways, we need a build target. one. not the accidental build target of debian 6 that fell out of my archaeology project.
jurov: (context: i was hired to patch android system. had to create nigbuntu lxc container for its monstrous build system)
ben_vulpes: oh yeah. i did a continuous integration thinger for an android project recently.
ben_vulpes: ('here, let me duct tape a bunch of libs together so you get emails when your derps break the cpp compiled into the android code')
nubbins`: well, alf's not gonna go for anything w/ systemd
nubbins`: what *has* 0.5.3.1 worked on so far? debian, darwin, that it?
thestringpuller: rich boy sellin' coin broke niggaz wanna jack this just bought a debian "THROW SOME SYSTEMD's on dat bitch"
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: are you coming to con3?
thestringpuller: no. i'm going to have to cancel for family reasons related to finance
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thestringpuller: "It's all fun and games until someone jokes about systemd" lol
mod6: <+nubbins`> what *has* 0.5.3.1 worked on so far? debian, darwin, that it? << what's blowing my mind is why i was able to build just fine on aws Gentoo AMI. Unless it was packed full of stuff in there that we don't want to begin with. Which must be the case.
nubbins`: i know nothing about aws, can you pull an image of that machine down locally?
nubbins` has a suspicion that this is somehow related to 32bit vs 64bit libs
mod6: yeah, I believe I did. But I can't find a build log for it.
mod6: I also seem to recall, and maybe I should dig for it, someone else built for gentoo before anyone was discussing 32bit.
mod6: like... say.. 3-4 weeks ago when we were testing stuff.
nubbins`: asciilifeform then i'd mention again that i built it on POSIX-compliant os
nubbins`: that happens to be made by crapple
nubbins`: one of the solutions floated for the "no lssl, lcrypto" thing was to download precompiled bins
mod6: asciilifeform: can you make a repeatable build environment for The Foundation to use going forward? Something put together by you, blessed by you, so we're all building/testing/using something that "fits in head"?
nubbins`: "can't untie the knot in your laces? cut em off and apply glue-backed velcro"
nubbins`: mod6 in fairness my gentoo was installed using the official docs, and it's reacting precisely the same as alf's
mod6: What I was hoping for is maybe a build script. Would that be muti-gig?
nubbins`: "build script" is sorta the install guide :P
mod6: Ok, so say that you have installed via offical docs, bla bla bla. Ok, then our release doesn't work. But we need to fix defects, and I refuse to have this happen going forward. So we need something repeatable.
nubbins` has a virtualbox .VDI with gentoo installed
mod6: i don't want a binary.
mod6: i want a script that will build all of the "accepted"/"blessed" versions of the things it needs; gcc, etc, etc, etc.
mod6: we have to get to some sort of common ground here.
mod6: ok. im not sure if we have a way forward on this project. or if there is, I don't know what it is.
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jurov: can't be some supported-till-2020 distro used for now? gentoo is good, but moving target
nubbins`: before we dig too deep, is it fair to say that qemu is worth using for hosting dev environment?
nubbins`: leaving aside the question of OS for now
nubbins`: what's the simplest we could get away with?
mod6: i dont want to rely on an emulator if possible. i'd like to have: a URL to an ISO of gentoo that's "acceptable", a script that pulls down tar balls of required tools and builds them
jurov: mhm...how do you ensure you'll hav exact versions of stuff once gentoo moves on?
mod6: ok so we're stuck with using an emulator only.
mod6: how does one then build on an emulator then run it on their desktop or vps or w/e?
nubbins`: i wouldn't ascribe "stuck" to having clone-able metal available
nubbins`: i fear this'll add complexity from the start because you won't know if the cross-compile is failing because it's a cross-compile or because the code's borked
nubbins`: cross-compile failing would probably be a canary
nubbins`: other pros/cons for qemu vx gxemul?
nubbins`: might as well get em all laid out now
nubbins`: based on this, i think qemu is the third choice
nubbins`: if anyone reading feels like being tasked
nubbins`: do a run-through (or 10) of getting gxemul set up, and make a guide
nubbins`: i'm assuming the built environments can be swapped around from person to person?
nubbins` asks "sanity check" questions more often than most
nubbins`: current stable is only 0.6.0.1
nubbins`: my path forward is prolly gonna be (a)gxemul (b) gentoo on same (c) 0.5.3.1 on same
nubbins`: i do feel that we'll run into precisely the same issues as we're having with our current gentoo installs
nubbins`: but hey. the plural of anecdote is proof, yes?
jurov: will it be able to run or even debug bitcoind?
jurov: otherwise no one will use that for development
jurov: building and usefully running are two disticnt things
nubbins`: BingoBoingo messed w/ 0.5.3.1 on bsd?
nubbins`: i'll be afk-ish, one last color to lay down on these business cards
jurov: even openbsd prefers to maintain racks of obsolete hardware to running emulators
jurov: so i'm not very keen on this
nubbins`: jurov openbsd keeps a room of shit hardware because it's expected to run on that shit hardware in the real world
nubbins`: not on emulators of the shit hardware
nubbins`: <+nubbins`> i'll be afk-ish, one last color to lay down on these business cards
nubbins`: i know i'd sure as fuck rather play Super Spike V-Ball on an actual NES
jurov: why not use jvm? </troll>
nubbins`: asciilifeform i wonder how well it works w/ modern tvs
nubbins`: yeah they still come w/ RCA in
nubbins`: incidentally, the fact that NES has RCA out is amazing
nubbins`: asciilifeform via stupid RF adapter
nubbins`: my atari 2600 one had a switch for CH 2/3
nubbins`: imagine, future-proofing a video game console in 1983 :0
nubbins`: hahahahaha is he holding a fucking pint of draft?
nubbins`: oh wow there's another almost-empty glass behind the other side of the banner
nubbins`: TOGETHER WE WILL *HIC* [SIC] NOT ALLOW...
punkman: this girl I know moved to germany to work at some tech company, 800eur salary for first 2 years or something.
punkman: " balaclava-clad goon attempts to burn a fire-resistant EU flag"
jurov: together we will *hic* ...so? let's have fun
jurov: alf takes his usaschwitz suffering too seriously
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jurov: damn, i realized took me half day to get through last 24h logs
jurov: should be doing sth else
ben_vulpes: it's not the number of lines but the maaaadness described herein
jurov: BingoBoingo: interested in "Weekly #b-a"? i need at least someting useful to come out of this
mircea_popescu: jurov yes actually, summaries have been sought and hoped and desired for year+
ben_vulpes: every 2 lines i have to hare off to the internet - "buildroot" "qemu"
mircea_popescu: apparently. EVEN I!!!! had actually seen the thing used.
ben_vulpes: naw, you're too old to be a noob anymore.
mircea_popescu: but i never put any serious effort into electrical engineering!
jurov: who wants to get'em first?
mircea_popescu: i was going to, but then i got caught in conversation!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you will notice it is not my effort tho.
mircea_popescu: i have put plenty of ope, as you may well be aware of from unrelatedlandia.
mircea_popescu: we should start our own cockney. coupla unrelated things = fleas.
trinque: perfect time for me to point out that current incarnation needs friendly hosting
trinque: I don't run whatever URL that is
mircea_popescu: a) put the fucking history in and b) fix your 404 scheme
trinque: that's not hitting the current one, wherever it's going
trinque: and I don't know what that registry is
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mircea_popescu: <trinque> perfect time for me to point out that current incarnation needs friendly hosting << fucking hell someone start that hoster already.
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jurov: trinque what specs?
trinque: and some space for the blockchain
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jurov: interesting, what it needs blockchain for?
nubbins`: <+punkman> " balaclava-clad goon attempts to burn a fire-resistant EU flag" <<< protip: spray paint the corner of the thing before lighting
jurov: so, we can bootstrap on aws and move to iron later
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just meant for size. server ssd 100gb is expensive as shit
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jurov: trinque any specific distro?
trinque: currently gentoo which is my preference
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i'd say that man drinks the 190 proof
nubbins`: prob drinks the paint too, i mean, that 'clava doesn't even fit him! it's like 3x too big!
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nubbins`: if you wanna see people be loose with money, that's the place to go
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jurov: trinque are you interested in running it on pogoplug?
trinque: jurov: the bot part I think I will
trinque: mircea_popescu: what do you think about the deeds being added to the wiki?
nubbins`: maybe deedbot should be auto-voiced by assbot? dem silent fails
trinque: that'd be quicker than waiting for me to give it fancy auth-to-assbot code
assbot: deedbot- is not registered in WoT.
jurov: anyone interested in hosted pogoplugs w/2 terabyte hdds? or 2x100G ssd?
nubbins` has 3 pogoplugs and 2 more in the mail
nubbins`: i'm gonna need babysitting, not hosting ;D
trinque: hanbot: it does not know your public key, which is added in the same fashion
nubbins`: man i'm outta touch w/ this new deedbot
nubbins`: i gotta pastebin my public key?
mircea_popescu: the lulzy part is that they try to make it sound feminine :D
mircea_popescu: "The Semenette® is unique because it offers the ability to replace the embedded plastic tubing with each use, eliminating sanitary concerns about mixing liquids you choose to put into the tube."
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you not getting enough fluid ? :D << I survived log catch up time
mircea_popescu: mp's rule of the junkworld : no machine may be roomsized.
mircea_popescu: i don't think you exactly understand how envy that wears a coat and hides in the hallways works.
mircea_popescu: imagine there was a breed of marginally intelligent rabid dogs, and they attacked cars
nubbins`: people putting bids in with 60 seconds left
mircea_popescu: this is kind-of what online action has come to mean i thought.
nubbins`: i'm gonna pretend that wasn't a typo
nubbins`: anyway, late bids extend the end time by 15 minutes
nubbins`: so it's just people being silly
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deedbot-: imported: EA0FAD90985B3025576A5061454B0FC0BC07B87E
hanbot: ty trinque, nubbins :)
mircea_popescu: neither can anyone else tell if fatchick or metrosexual.
mircea_popescu: but there clearly must be some regulation about all this unsanctioned mirror picture taking by self
mircea_popescu: there's a reason stuff must be ipad even if crapple does not work : orc wants things it can carry
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as an engineer that's not a psychiatrist.
mircea_popescu: you can't proceed. "this harness is no good" "Why not ?" "it's yellow. duh."
mircea_popescu points out that his entire life he's been a transaltor, and perhaps the most successful/best paid/dearliest loved translator ever. started off translating the law to a bunch of burly dudes, then later translated romania to foreigners, then later translated psychiatry to engineers
BingoBoingo: jurov: BingoBoingo: interested in "Weekly #b-a"? i need at least someting useful to come out of this << I see no reason why not
mircea_popescu: cause lo siento means sorry, but it also means i hear you in a very unspanish ethymological approach
nubbins`: unless you replace the two L's with a J
nubbins`: if i wanted to be refined, i'd decompose under pressure into hydrocarbons!
nubbins`: tried alpaca meat, never tried llama
nubbins`: while i'll advance that it was "good", peruvian standard is to beat any steak with a maul before grilling
nubbins`: so i can't really say if it's actually as tender as it seemed
nubbins`: was told it's too much work for the amount of meat
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hanbot: <mircea_popescu> i dunno anyone offering either of these o.O << my butcher sells llamaburgers
nubbins`: anything burger-ified is generally edible
nubbins` has admittedly made "lamburger helper" more than once :(
trinque: nubbins`: sounds... delicious
trinque: yeah, I tend to encounter it via greek food
nubbins`: i should make donairs ("doner kebab" for you non-eastern-canadians) with actual lamb soon
nubbins`: i don't think i have debug symbols built in. easy way to check?
nubbins`: oh man, that was the year i burned my hand! you can see the scar
nubbins` is running latest release build, but assuming static
trinque: asciilifeform: I am building one on amd64 gentoo for ya
hanbot: mircea_popescu hello sir! no cuy at all i tell you!
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mats: found yerself a greater fool eh
mircea_popescu: you know asciilifeform, i don't hate them. i love them.
nubbins`: asciilifeform five colours should be enough for everyone 8)
trinque: he's referring to your dirty communist spelling of "color"
nubbins`: quick: what's the word for the people who live in the houses around you
nubbins`: asciilifeform then a couple thou years from now you've got people taking guesses as to the True Name of mrc ppsc
mats: fun fact: i played starcraft with the guy that patented ASLR.
mats: he also went on to write the Control Flow Guard code.
nubbins`: iirc there's an hg wells story about the guy who invented the stone axe.
mircea_popescu: and as peole stupidify, more and more tyhings will be.
trinque: there's a patent on having a database of products and modifiers which dates to 2000s sometime
mircea_popescu: stuff that was ridiculous to patent in 1850, such as "how to make bread" definitely meets the bar today.
assbot: Patent US7831791 - Method of address space layout randomization for windows operating systems - Google Patents ... (
http://bit.ly/1BViSki )
trinque: the twist was "synchronizing the data between multiple terminals
trinque: sure that and dragging every entity smaller than a billion plus in revenue into court to die by starvation
trinque: til there's an even lower tier of "valid" patents
trinque: I've seen insane, *insane* cases in the hospitality software space
trinque: prior art from the dawn of computing type patents
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it occurs to me that if you spend some time now designing and patenting gasenwagens
trinque: asciilifeform: jury of "peers"
trinque: this prior art thing if it actually worked would burn like a grease fire through 99.9% of software patents
trinque: the standards for "novel" seem trivial
trinque: asciilifeform: current release busts for me on uint32_t as well
trinque: have not made any attempt to fix it yet; have to attend to something else first
gribble: FabianB was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 17 weeks, 6 days, 4 hours, 35 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <FabianB> not down but very slow it seems
trinque: asciilifeform: do you use a hardened toolchain?
trinque: dunno why that would magically poof in a header defining that type
trinque: no, saying I don't know why that would be relevant
trinque: wondering what's different about the debian
trinque: asciilifeform: yeah I don't use it
trinque: hardened here just means having things like stack protection turned on
mats: and why don't you like sel
trinque: in my case it seems like a vast, complex surface to deal with
trinque: seems also that within that complexity you could hide nefarious things
mats: i know why i don't like selinux, but i have a feeling we don't intersect
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 13:34:48; lobbes: I posted obamaz magic decree to my facebook. Quite expectedly, no one cares.
trinque: cept those here and a handful of clever meatspace guys
mats: i dunno about that second part, but in general i agree with you
trinque: this seems to be why openbsd just has chroot, bsd has fancy jails or whatever, and now linux has Containerz (TM)
trinque: just make fucking chroot work
trinque: that and a working firewall
mircea_popescu: that reason is that intelligent people do not wish to spend their time working on idiocy
mircea_popescu: and they do wish to tell themselves that they can ever work on "something else"
mircea_popescu: that's what the jwz dood quite typically told me : that he "doesn't care about whatever political bone i have toi pick"
mircea_popescu: as if that's what happened, i was sitting on an exercise ball one day and spontaneously decided hey, let me make a political party and pick bones!
trinque: ah that makes it very clear.
trinque: "pretend to do it" << is exactly the useful thing there
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 15:59:59; thestringpuller: haven't been able to contact cazalla
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Apparently he set the record
mircea_popescu: nice lordosis on the chick... that babe knows how to party.
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assbot: Logged on 19-10-2014 18:32:52; asciilifeform: engineers, who (as shown by the 'monolith' gedankenexperiment, search logs) often do not really apprehend how lizard-reich and its subordinate bureaucracies really think.
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 14:05:13; lobbes: I'd like to believe if I just focus on myself and amass enough wealth I can weasel my way through time
cazalla: !rate thestringpuller 1 overpromised and underdelivered on task he set himself for qntra
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 14:54:13; assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 03:26:58; nubbins`: "glibc uses libnss to support a number of different providers for address resolution services. Unfortunately, you cannot statically link libnss, as exactly what providers it loads depends on the local system's configuration."
mircea_popescu: i can see why this would be useful as an alternative method for very peculiar situations
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, in vast majority of cases, libnss SHOULD JUST CONTAIN ALL!
cazalla: !verify assbot:cazalla.rate.thestringpuller.1:16ae1454fd113b8cc0c781069043ec4cfadbdd32f55f8f028415f9d88daa29df
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for thestringpuller from 2 to 1 with note: overpromised and underdelivered on task he set himself for qntra
mircea_popescu: that you don't randomly stick binary in my ass is not a "many things"
mats: 2M s.mpoe buy wall @ 0.00027
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you even have a clue why the fuck libnss is made that way ?
mircea_popescu: is it to load whatever early ityeration of nsa diddle in systems ?
mircea_popescu: if whoever the fuck is responsible for this crapever shows up in wot he's getting my -.
mircea_popescu: pure anomie, this shit. idiots "doocracying" with no conception of right and wrong whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: "i have tried and so nobody should criticize the steaming pile of dumb dung "
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mircea_popescu: "unfortunately, the way we made this foss software is that it behaves exactly like windows"
mircea_popescu: you KNOW this shit even got to be used in the first place because usg said so.
mircea_popescu: "why do we have dns ? it sucks! " "yes but that's how nsa could figure out how to diddle via libnss"
mircea_popescu: "so why are you all pushing pki ? it's fucktarded beyond reason" "no look, it has a whiff of salami right in this spot!"
mircea_popescu: and that, incidentally, is the objection ot poettering : it's not a matter of "doing". the man simply has no conception of right and wrong.
trinque: asciilifeform: so there's u_int32_t defined in sys/types.h but not uint32_t; I would be interested to see what sys/types.h holds for the other folks
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just pick one of the preexisting sluts and then prevent washing, sure.
trinque: comment above: /* But these were defined by ISO C without the first `_'. */
trinque begins a debootstrap to see what it craps in sys/types.h
trinque: asciilifeform: stop trying to stifle people's creativity
trinque: asciilifeform: said poettering to the porcelain, parting is such sweet sorrow
trinque: debootstrap failed mysteriously the first time
trinque: asciilifeform: couple files didn't download
jurov: nss was added to "remove hacks"
mircea_popescu: the idea of loading binary modules and breaking static builds is not exactly = to nss.
jurov: i guess they wanted to avoid running standalone process and whatnot
mircea_popescu: dude holy hell, no configured file ever existed before ?
jurov: butbutbut we need to support dns resolving with mongodb(r)(tm)!!!
jurov: and without(gasp) recompiling libc or running dns servers!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 4470 @ 0.00037719 = 1.686 BTC [+]
nubbins`: what's it sending a POST request to whatismyip.com? :D
trinque: holy shit no one knows why there's both a u_int32_t and a uint32_t
trinque: the latter is defined in c99
nubbins`: prob because one asshole somewhere along the line had a build error
trinque: all I can find is derps going "just include ..."
nubbins`: i suppose github could tell you who committed it the first time
nubbins`: i don't keep a list of this type of person, mp may be interested enough to look
jurov: may have been satoshi himself
nubbins`: may have been there from the beginning
trinque: this forum post thing where people pop off with some tape fix rather than explaining what's going on
trinque: asciilifeform: could boost be pulling or not pulling this type in based on some kind of config magic?
cazalla: lucky i am not otw to conf, i would so attach a padlock to your ear :P
trinque: in my /usr/include I see for example this "nettle" thing doing typedef u_int32_t uint32_t;
trinque: nubbins`: those look great.
nubbins`: really nice texture on the black parts too
nubbins`: ok alf i'm applying all 3 of your patches to a fresh 0.5.3.1, should know one way or another in an hour or so
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36956 @ 0.0002719 = 10.0483 BTC [+]
trinque can suddenly not paste into chrome
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trinque: nubbins`: pls don't trigger me
trinque: I actually typedef'd the missing type to see what happened, and now it's pissed about something else
trinque: heh yeah I was derping through exactly what he fixed
trinque: well, he was a notch closer anyway
trinque: starting clean and logging all output
trinque: but it looked like the stuff not being linked *was* built
nubbins`: i am also at the "cannot find -lssl, -lcrypto" stage
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trinque: nubbins`: what does export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$OURLIBS/lib under the rest of the exports do for you?
trinque: I'm waiting on mine to rebuild
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59100 @ 0.0002719 = 16.0693 BTC [+]
nubbins`: <+asciilifeform> the integer retardation patch includes the one from portatron <<< o look
trinque: I dunno what that link error is.
nubbins`: while we're at it, do not operate chainsaws w/ your genitals
danielpbarron: nubbins`, how many of those birds of newfoundland books do you have left? / remind me to get one of those if/when the qntra cards get sent out
nubbins`: danielpbarron we'll be making them for as long as people buy them. i'll set one aside for ya
nubbins`: your if/when is currently an if
nubbins`: i floated a design, nobody was too fussy, nothing else suggested
nubbins` generally doesn't do design work on open-ended spec
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16146 @ 0.0002719 = 4.3901 BTC [+]
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cazalla: mircea_popescu, you might need to edit the s.qntr post
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55400 @ 0.0002719 = 15.0633 BTC [+]