Framedragger: every time a re-read.. "The bug that lasted 347 days was the confusion between a string and an array of integers." 'nuff said. it's just good entertainment value
a111: Logged on 2016-05-18 21:23 mircea_popescu: lol i see the Framedragger fellow got his baptism by fire ?
mircea_popescu: "The bug that lasted 347 days was the confusion between a string and an array of integers. This made the ECC private keys ridiculously small because they passed a string of decimal digits into a function expecting an array of 17, 15 bit integers." ahaha ok that's pretty good.
mircea_popescu: oh ok, so changed 16^64 to 10^64 and the "generate entropy in the shape of floating point number" thing clearly indicate these fellows are windows programmers with a strong javascript focus.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-05-19 01:40 mircea_popescu: oh ok, so changed 16^64 to 10^64 and the "generate entropy in the shape of floating point number" thing clearly indicate these fellows are windows programmers with a strong javascript focus.
mircea_popescu: "Why did it all turn out like this for me? I had so much promise. I was personable, I was bright. Oh, maybe not academically speaking, but ... I was perceptive. I always know when someone's uncomfortable at a party. It became very clear to me sitting out there today, that every decision I've ever made, in my entire life, has been wrong. My life is the opposite of everything I want it to be. Every instinct I have, in every fac
mircea_popescu: et of life, be it something to wear, something to eat ... It's all been wrong."
mircea_popescu: ^ testament of every "computer programmer" of the "modern computing" school ever.
BingoBoingo: ^ Qntra Farm Report is back! Eat Moar Monsanto!
Framedragger:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-19#1468376 << yeah.. because fuck URLs amirite.. i'd think the nadim (of cryptocat) rebased commit history on purpose.. what's funny/sad is that many many stupid people did use cryptocat during those periods of encraption in cryptocat.. too bad for them
☝︎ Framedragger:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-19#1468376 << yeah.. because fuck URLs amirite.. i'd think the nadim guy (of cryptocat) rebased commit history on purpose.. what's funny/sad is that many many stupid people did use cryptocat during those periods of encraption in cryptocat.. too bad for them
☝︎ Framedragger: ;;later tell Vexual missed your PM, msg me once you're online!
shinohai: Because being here isn't complete until you have met Vexual.
shinohai: Nice fph archive there BingoBoingo ... I'd love to see a 450 lb sloth attempting to pedal a bike.
BingoBoingo: the politicaly correct term is "couch bison"
shinohai: HehnI actually saw a BitBet tweet this morning, is finally working?
shinohai: I guess it got lost in the other noise in mah feed
mircea_popescu: Framedragger much like many many stupiud people use tor.
mircea_popescu: "Are you a business man/woman or an ARTISTS,POLITICIANS,PASTOR,ENGINEER,DOCTOR, STUDENTS, GRADUATED and you want to become Rich Powerful and famous, in life or,Are you frustrated in life. What type of wealth do you want? Today is your luckiest day, 'I want to join great Illuminati occult in Nigeria' we are here for those of you that want to join Illuminati Brotherhood in Nigeria and across Africa."
mircea_popescu: apparently that great dream of that (other) great ustardian dreamer (pres. bahamas) is taking shape : the great illumination of africa!
shinohai: That black loose-leaf from Iran or China is what I'm making
Framedragger suspects mircea_popescu is baiting him about tor because he remembers those comments on trilema where framedragger said "evidence or gtfo mircea" ;)
Framedragger: maybe i have. look, i know those folks personally, by which i mean, not only over the internets. however, malice/incompetence are the same in terms of effects
BingoBoingo: Remember kids, asystole is the most stable cardia rhythm possible.
mircea_popescu: it's a sad day in any man's life, when he's squeezed into admitting that personal connection be damned, incompetence and malice aren't usefully distinguishable.
mircea_popescu: with any luck, it happens young. like for instance through the age-old process of, orcs come through rampaging village, rape everyone, surviving kid is faced with the cold, sad truth that "if those assholes were any good, they'd be still alive".
shinohai: tor convo again? (-_\) #facepalm
shinohai: tor is only gtood for making lulzy Qntra articles!
mircea_popescu: turning into quite teh qntra funkmeister over there, huh shinohai ?
shinohai: I grudgingly admit that mircea_popescu was right as always, that I would enjoy it if I got off my ass and did it.
mircea_popescu: for the record : all the various german terms, funkmeister, funkspielen, etc, are derived off how you say radioing in german, ie, funk (hence telefunken). the reason it's called "spark" is because they needed a name back when sparkgap was the way. and so...
mircea_popescu: meanwhile asciilifeform still hasn't explained why he hates early radio so damn much.
shinohai: Radio was like the first thing I was interested in as a child.
shinohai: I still have an sdr and god-awful yagi hooked up to this day
mircea_popescu: the way the world's going, you might end up using that skillset for reals.
shinohai: Will bve downloading trb blockchain with packet radio xD
mircea_popescu: in truth, if we end up that stretched there's prolly going to be some adjustments made. like - daily blocks.
shinohai: Sadly, in the land-of-the-not-so-free 'tis illegal to send encrypted comms with HAM license. :/
mircea_popescu: by the time this is actually needed, all that'll be about as interesting as soviet rubles.
shinohai: I haven't looked into D-STAR much, but it is proprietary chip, which opens possibility that it is already pwnd at that level, you cannot decrypt message without it.
mircea_popescu: actually come to think of it, someone should write code to turn standard base64 (like comes out of pgp armor etc) into text. have a nice markov-based state machine with a large-ish dictionary and a syntax/grammar checker.
mircea_popescu: crypto goes in, poetry goes out. no fucking law against poetry, is there.
mircea_popescu: its announced presence has rearranged my head, it's really the correct solution for the long sought for job market thing.
shinohai: He is pretty close to having an awesum tbot finished, twas working good last night.
mircea_popescu: you know thinking about it... each irc channel is like whatever, a guy walking down the street. maybe carrying a bag of groceries or a skateboard or w/e.
mircea_popescu: then #trilema, it's like mechaworld. 95% computer by mass.
mircea_popescu: nice qntra btw. and yes monsanto is fucked - the projections were for weed resistance to appear in centuries. it showed up within a coupla short decades. this puts the practical utility of their "genetic research" in serious doubt. in fact they've closed down most "general" projects, focusing on a coupla more promising line, after which it's ~the end.
mircea_popescu: incidentally i have nfi how that worked so well for the weeds. pretty impressive.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "genes Monsanto claims title travels" << claims title to ?
mircea_popescu: toxic either because it is a grass < toxic, either - being a grass and all.
BingoBoingo: Well the thing is the weeds were always resistant
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i suppose that must be the explanation, "carried resistance". ie, they had it, genetically, but not normally expressed. until environment changed and so genetic expression changed to fit.
mircea_popescu: shows teh sort of "scientific research" that happens in the us based labs for the lulzy sham it is. "oh, we treated a crop of grass with this vial and the grass died. ERGO IT WORKS!!! we studied genetics under lamarck et all, don't understand much of anything. what do you mean, cultivate the survivors and see, what do you mean need a chain of witness blocks going down many generations ?!?!?!"
BingoBoingo: Well, and some of them like fucking horseweed seemed to have never really cared much about glyphosate. Then there's Japanese knotweed which glyphosate will kill, but only if sprayed during the first new moon after the autumn equinox.
BingoBoingo: Anyways what I found especially lulzy was putting glyphosate and dicamba in the same bottle and calling it innovation.
BingoBoingo: Dicamba's bundled into a bunch of other commercial off the shelf consumer herbicide products already.
mircea_popescu: but yes, for any republican bioscientists in the making : the scientific way to study something like plant resistance to X is to : 1. create the first generation test environment. this means a witness, and a number of exposures (maybe dosed variously, with other substances too, etc). 2. create next generation environment. this means, your experiment now subdivides into as many experiments equal to 1 as there were tests perfor
mircea_popescu: med. 3. keep doing this, depending on life form, MANY times. at least a dozen for plants, for instance, they express fast. mammals, 100s.
mircea_popescu: this is why it's fucking hard & expensive to do genetic research ffs.
BingoBoingo still wonders why Monsanto hasn't been digging for Diquat decomposing bacteria to make a wunderwaffen
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah, monsanto is very much apple'd. the original idea seemed promising, in the 90s. sometime years ago, dunno exactly when cuz they've been keeping it secret and i never cared that much, they found out it's a doomed entreprise. ever since then... MON's been pretty much a stock scam.
mircea_popescu: except you know, with much better pr than the usual pinksheet.
BingoBoingo: Right, kinda the pharma model where having a pipeline of things to pattent matters more than anything else.
mircea_popescu: anyway, looking at their stock the news was first heard by sophisticated investors q3 2015, ie recently.
BingoBoingo: Still, the point remains Argentina's only strategy is to void the monsanto glyphosate resistance patents locally
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i guess we retrospectively discovered what a major point of discussion in the recent bahamas-macri meeting was. and the local socialist fucktards thought they ran off and hid in the countryside because of them. lelz. "reddit we diddit!!1"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo maybe even worth updating the article for all these tie-ins ?
mircea_popescu: or maybe save for a later re-piece, if it sells or something. eitherway.
BingoBoingo: I will in a couple hours, gotta get a string trimmer and re-piece. Or you know you could do the tie ins from Argentina bsns perspective.
mircea_popescu: if i had any sort of local confirmation or somesuch actual meat. but i've not been investing in connecting to the local agros who the shit cares, and obv el presidente'd rather die than give up this one, and i'm noit about to start torturing elected presidents just yet.
BingoBoingo: You know, I bet the local farm supply store would have had a better ball gag than all those porno stores...
mircea_popescu: spoeaking of which, found a SPLENDID leather collar with metal spikes in local pet shop. top notch stuff, 12 bux.
mircea_popescu: possibly the most 12 dollars has bought this year anywhere in the world.
mircea_popescu: apparently phf gotta handcrank them, and when he sleeps...
mircea_popescu: in another view, what's nailing monsanto is called "so you thought you were smart, eh ?". heck, plants've been here a while. odds are whatever random unwashed derp in our colonies comes up with, they've seen before.
mircea_popescu: the very deeply ignorant approach is rather notable, to my eyes. derps seriously think that's how genetics works, much like a baby perceiving his environment as a photographic still rather than a dynamic equilibrium and so faceplanting self once an hour
mircea_popescu: nah. i disagree. usa was first to pretend like underage male fuckwards are "worker bees", which only can be meaningfully attempted for ~a certain kind~ of software. what we reference here as the web.
mircea_popescu: the truth of demographics is that underage males are mostly defective by mass. this is unfixable.
mircea_popescu: the soviets had ~the same percentage, but simply killed them./
mircea_popescu: this is also not creation. it is the result of expanding complexity.
mircea_popescu: as the maximal leverage avaialble to the individual increases, the % of things crawling out of cunts (which, recall, run perl) that may ever individuate decreases.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: as the bar to the individuation is fixed ~the mean of the leverage, so obviously as that increases the sigma-ness associated increases also (by about the square root ?)
mircea_popescu: so, year is 160 ad, we're in rome. maximally, a man can replace the work of about fifty or so men, give or take. the mean of this is say 25. about 10% of the population can reach this, and lo and behold - about 10% of the empire's population is citizens!
mircea_popescu: the year is now 660, and we're in londinum. a man can replace the work of maybe two, give or take. the mean is one-something, and "everyone" is someone.
mircea_popescu: by 1160, which catches us in paris, we're up to a leverage of maybe as high as twenty, and so "most men" is good enough an approximation. about 60-70% really.
mircea_popescu: then in 1660... one's either a noble or not worth the mention, and this reduces to a few percent again.
mircea_popescu: the amount of work you CAN replace has been monotonously increasing since about then, mind.
mircea_popescu: you wish to think in terms of your chosen art, which is meaningless. it's not always the same art that provides the additional leverage.
mircea_popescu: however they may ebb or wane individually, of interest to man is the sum total.
Framedragger: > There's just no life in this idea as originally thought out, a browser thing.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yeah ok i'm afraid i've to agree
mircea_popescu: Framedragger doesn't mean much more than, "the correct path is to take a decent crypto lib, a distributed-hashtable-storage thing from one of the p2p torrent tools, and make a real social media app"
☟︎ Framedragger: asciilifeform: do you have an opinion on IPFS (distributed storage protocol, of sorts)? spoiler: reference implementation is in golang
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude i'm going to make the REFERENCE IMPLEMENTATION of your next girlfriend in golang and what'll you do then.
mircea_popescu: you can implement shit in whatever the hell you want. the reference implementation for cramer-shoup is in malbolge.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform right. which is my point - if you don't like golang pretend there isn't one. you can't invalidate design by "bad implementation" wtf.
mircea_popescu: turns out also that this has to be a personal conclusion.
mircea_popescu: back to the arts : no, not really. finance, believe it or not. and other things. few of which are "palpable" in the sense that farm derp could put hand on
mircea_popescu: finance is a different story from chumpatronics, why teh haet.
mircea_popescu: notrly. finance is basically "engineering for large systems with complex parts"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: anyway, Framedragger golang is not liked here because we don't own it, and we don't like usg.google more than we like usg.anything, and because it seems quite well engineered to work as a baited hook for the usg chump works.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: that aside, the IDEA of ipfs, as far as can be distinguished, is not necessarily bad.
mircea_popescu: it's not very much clear there's anything much there besides the usual marketing crapolade. i dunno how familiar you are with this phenomena, but let me dig a fine example out of the log.
mircea_popescu: plenty of other good ones ( asciilifeform you recall reporting on that group pushing 20 year old schweizer as "wai of footure" at some conference ? ), but the more important point is, that this is a fine field for innovation as it stands. it's very far from "settled science", where the logical move is to simply import the universally accepted library and move on.
mircea_popescu: this is where one writes code as a young man that then makes them famous for rest of life, the c and whatnot of our time. you see what i mean ?
mircea_popescu: for instance, i'm deliberately keeping my ongoing "war on the web" as far as attacking forums goes on a very low roar. not that i couldn't scale it up and end ~any web-based forum, owing to the incredible incompetence of the scammers involved. but then, millions of derps would in a voice go "ok so these are bad, what should we do ?"
mircea_popescu: can't quite answer "get fucked" to something like that, not unless you're prepared to follow through and holocaust them all.
mircea_popescu: but should one be able to answer "use this thing"... well then. different matter altogether.
Framedragger: yeah i see what you mean. also nice to keep idiots in single basket
Framedragger: sounds like amusing examples too, will check later ($dayjob)
a111: Logged on 2016-05-19 15:27 mircea_popescu: notrly. finance is basically "engineering for large systems with complex parts"
mircea_popescu: i also count all SORTS of things, including 3% corp tax in romania, for instance. wasn't there in 86
mircea_popescu: (to be specific : the idea that "small corps are the driver of economy, and should get massive tax breaks" is entirely past 30 years.)
mircea_popescu: but as per our discussion of monsanto, if your idea of "innovation" in humanities is alligned with "absolute first", you can't even PERCEIVE humanities, let alone meaningfully interact with em.
mircea_popescu: context matters, who the fuck cares what lenin's nep did.
mircea_popescu: right ? so you're part of the 55th civilisation to discover cellphones. do you care about the other 54 ?
mircea_popescu: in this sense chloroform was done to the discoverer, not the other way around.
mircea_popescu: yes, of course, life taking place in nature, its discoveries are DONE to it
mircea_popescu: well, they've been sticking to it for a decade+ by now.
mircea_popescu: ah but you see, this is thevery thing we're discussing. ~I~ benefit from it, and it empowers me. that'd be what i'd care about.
mircea_popescu: i don't give the first inkliong of a shit as to whether it could "rightfully" be called technical, inovation, or pornography. that's a concern for kids debating superman-vs-spiderman encounters.
mircea_popescu: what i strictly care about is, doth it or doth it not make it easier for me to send fifty men out of their houses, behead their offspring and claim their women.
mircea_popescu: the particular is not a public matter. but the thing we were discussing, ie, leverage, and its impact of citizenship, and the way this drags out citizenship out of the commoner's reach, is.
mircea_popescu: it ended up illustrated with minutia, but it is not the illustrative minutia.
mircea_popescu: well no, not necessarily. but on the other end of the same chasm, it may not be a case of "either this leverage is universally accessible or stfu"
mircea_popescu: the very point being that it's not universally accessible.
mircea_popescu: just as long as you admit to an increase of maximal-possible-mojo per capita, and to a decrease in marginal utility per capita, you're basically admitting the premises.
mircea_popescu: ah, but no, i do not accept this requirement that the DESCRIPTION be universally accessible either.
mircea_popescu: because, as per the discussion of "ideas" : in my hand it's an idea, in derp'\s hand is nothing, for derp may not have ideas.
mircea_popescu: tell you what, something as finely technical as, the lorenz contraction, still is not "universally accessible". in fact, it is outside of the purview of ~all us schoolchildren.
mircea_popescu: and there exists a lobby there proposing that for this reason, it is not really, properly technology.
mircea_popescu: dollars to donuts, if you arrest everyone who ever said "quantum computing" on an webpage, and keep them locked up in solitary until such a time they can explain what it means, scientifically,
mircea_popescu: you'll be lucky if you ever release 1% of a rather large inmate population.
mircea_popescu: so then. accessibility is no sort of criteria for technology.
mircea_popescu: and what's wrong with that ? are you derriding the pulley system on the grounds of how trite the rope is ?
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as it allowed the swedes to pretend to being a nation for absolutely no other discerinble reason,
mircea_popescu: fish in the scania is the equivalent of lace in luxembourg.
mircea_popescu: but once yo uspeak of madman you're either granting my point or else going full "no true scotsman"
mircea_popescu: yes, there's madmen and there's people, and technology need not be describable to madmen to be technology.
mircea_popescu: it is not clear technology is an "informational" thing. seems apt to say technology is a productive thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but in a discussion of indian tribes, the smaller trbie with guns that wipes the larger tribe with tomahawks HAS, in fact, deployed the technology.
mircea_popescu: us army grunts notably don't know how the fuck their shit works.
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, when you have sex you get a child, which is yours, even if you have nfi how cunt works. nor does she.
mircea_popescu: that's the point. technology is technology only in context.
mircea_popescu: in and of itself, it's "natural phenomena" or "magic" or what have you.
mircea_popescu: no. it picks you up, in that some can and some can't ; some do and some do not.
mircea_popescu: fine then, let it be so. to me the difference is that i perceive the "you" to be universalizing in your statement.
mircea_popescu: and the important point here is that no agent may be universal ; and no universal may have agency. which is why god can't act.
mircea_popescu: let's do a thought experiment. suppose i invite you to spend a week at my north pole hunting lodge, where, contrary to what you might expect, we spend our time hunting large floating worms of delicious carnation. with me so far ?
mircea_popescu: now then, after a moment of this, you wish to know how the fuck is it possible that these animals live here ?!
mircea_popescu: and i explain to you that i discovered a way to create them by farting.
mircea_popescu: you think i'm joking, but presently i demonstrate : i put a finger on my nose, and frown, and fart, and soon enough there it is, another one.
mircea_popescu: and then i call a girl over, and she tries it, and there it is! a pretty one too.
mircea_popescu: so you're a little miffed, and suspect us of collusion. so then we capture a random inuit woman, and i spend some time with her,
mircea_popescu: but you still can't, and marry her, and learn inuit, and still can't, and what now ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is a much much better example in your own experience. recall the matchsticks ?
mircea_popescu: this "is_technology" function is never as usefully decidable as schoolteachers like to pretend.
mircea_popescu: ie, when decidable, not useful ; when useful, not decidable.
mircea_popescu: and eating the same food, so one'd expect molybdenum to equalize. but...
mircea_popescu: and how do you know this ? other than, it happening to be your religion.
mircea_popescu: do me a favour and don't go all religious freak on me, absence of proof / proof of absence stew etc.
mircea_popescu: and who promised you such barrier as "a jungle far away" ?
mircea_popescu: point in fact, most of what you do is not communicable to "filthy white man". though from what you're saying i take it next you go renting you'll rouse them from their beds to teach lisp ?
mircea_popescu: i use "technology" to describe my numeric head-mathing, though most gurlz can't do it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but not to all :) to selected gurlz.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and how do you distinguish the theorems for which he WILL BE famous from the ones for which he will not be ?
mircea_popescu: see, it's easy enough in retrsopect, to confound historical accident and meaning.
mircea_popescu: but try it prospectively, like a math teacher on a grad program. pick which kids do good work and which waste their lives.
mircea_popescu: it's a technology, right ? by ytour notions of tech, math is the supertech. so then ?
mircea_popescu: it's not surprisingly easy to do it usefully. it's very easy to do it when no one's doing it and there's a lot of low hanging fruit,
mircea_popescu: then you can say like the butcher that moved into village and introduced hygiene, "i am a better surgeon than the guys in paris"
mircea_popescu: but if it's actually useful to do, it can't fucking be done worth a shit.
mircea_popescu: recall the example of the esteemed mr shockley, for instance.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well the problem with this choir is that it's made of apparent 16 yo girls who spend the night doing all manner of kinky stuff
mircea_popescu: in fact, a useful heuristic to distinguish magic and technology, is that as the stakes increase, magic gets harder and technology easier to do.
mircea_popescu: and by this measure, a good chunk of what you regard one is really the other and back again.
mircea_popescu: to take a simple illustration : make this matchstick exactly 1 mn thick within 0.1% tolerance throughout it's length and i'll pay you a dollar is hard. make this rod of molybdenum 1 mm thick within 0.0000001% tolerance and i'll pay you a billion is easy.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, "shit an atom of gold and i'll pay you a dollar" is easy. "shit a brick of gold and i'll pay you a billion" is very fucking hard. etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's not much to go on when one believes there's more substance than marketing to that "damascus" claim.
mircea_popescu: well, they look the same, should be good enough for our technological needs :D
mircea_popescu: anwyay, there's not so much difference between what we're saying. "make it repeatable" as you say is part of parcel of "economy of scale" as i say.
mircea_popescu: repeatable is one thing ; but your idea of communicable is murky at best.
mircea_popescu: trinque were you also going to give him deedbot log access ?
mircea_popescu: so what's lost here ? very thin foams are well understood
trinque: mircea_popescu: yeah we can work that out too
mircea_popescu: understood and reproducible. at least generally speaking.
mircea_popescu: but the implications for your position are pretty lulzy, wouldn't you say ?
mircea_popescu: (think about it - dead words failed to convey it. in spite of everyone's best effort)
mircea_popescu: wasn't clear that part is intentionally meaningful. fine, consider same item with a single such spoke
mircea_popescu: (note how you keep trying to brace yourself against unstated convention, "of course you would understand this is not the item because that'd breach symmetry and we have a convention re symmetry")
mircea_popescu: because everything everyone ever does has some medium involved.
mircea_popescu: even your "primitive man won't stray" argument is broken, as you stop midway. a) the point of his following your recipe is that he got off lazy butt ; if he doesn't, he doesn't AT ALL. why would he get off lazy butt JUST AS FAR as you imagine he would and no further ?
mircea_popescu: the same sort of thought process is involved (for him) when he decides to make the axe at all and when he decides to make singlespoked flanged mace.
mircea_popescu: but if the "purpose" of the axe (as you imagine it) is unspoken part of the design,
mircea_popescu: soon enough you're going to re-discover post-structuralism at this rate, and end up understanding what i meant by context above.
mircea_popescu: yeah, apart because of how familiar you are with either.
mircea_popescu: how familiar you are with making axes vs making aerogels does not establish if making axes or making aerogels is "magic", it just establishes how familiar you are with them.
mircea_popescu: and since it's gas-based, prolly heated by means of the gas being a neutron poison. xenon.
mircea_popescu looks through his periodic table, that great tool of war.
mircea_popescu: there, the official free world reconstruction of "fogbank" : B4C foam with a xe-135 filling.
mircea_popescu: do the calcs on it beging anywhere close to a critical core if bored one day. "electron gas" exactly.
mircea_popescu: in that drawing, "modern security features added to render useless in the wrong hands" prolly means 1kb rsa with exponent 35, amirite
mircea_popescu: the notion that you can make a) a physical object that b) does something and yet c) is safe in hands of adversary is so fucking lulzy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform problem is i take off that chip and fuzz it.
mircea_popescu: it's a black box circuit, i measure all its outputs for known inputs.
mircea_popescu: and i'll recover them through any of the numerous cryptanalysis tricks available.
mircea_popescu: sure. so you have a chip, that takes say 4 inputs, and generates say 3 outputs.
mircea_popescu: i put this chip on a breadboard, and feed all possible input combinations to it, note down all that comes out.
mircea_popescu: and then have a physics team to sort outputs in order of likelihood and a cs team to rebuild the chip from scratch.
mircea_popescu: right, and im well persuaded the current item is just a glorified enigma machine
mircea_popescu: ie, decent physicist takes one look at list of possible outputs and picks the right one.
mircea_popescu: tey said "wrong hands", they didn't fucking say "reddit's hands"
mircea_popescu: i guess the ustards imagines itself in the glorified position where all non-orcs are friendly.
mircea_popescu: come to think of it, tyhe usg aspires to be tmsr in more ways than one, huh.
mircea_popescu: come to think of it, the idea of using acetonitrile is very bizarre. much better polar solvents exist ; unless the remarkably high dielectric constant of the substance is useful.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: yes. but why use this headache when much better solvents available
mircea_popescu: unless, again, the dielectric is a major part of what "better" means.
BingoBoingo: Or need that solvent to get the exact right contaminants fixed?
mircea_popescu: note how they stand : thf, massively used, because relatively safe - million tons produced a year or such. yet, dielectric < 10
mircea_popescu: acetone, barely 20, also rather volatile if not as toxic.
mircea_popescu: of course, dmso would be even dielectrical-er, but hm.
mircea_popescu: so the boron carbide with xenon filling aerogel production process involves electromagnetics and evaporation. SCIENCE!
mircea_popescu: or maybe dmso was really too toxic (that thing is a riot) and thf acvtually dissolves borones and so ...
a111: Logged on 2013-11-13 14:20 asciilifeform: we had a beautifully-educational incident with DMSO
mircea_popescu: the sad truth underneath this all is, that the "computer [security] industry" has slowly became dependent on usg-sponsored burnings to the degree that unless weimer and co actually write all the stuff and put it out, they can't do it on their own, in any sort of timeframe.
mircea_popescu: there's now and again cases when actual forces hostile to usg do the whole thing, but when genuine independent research occurs... well. this.
mircea_popescu: why do all these people put so much effort into creating some sort of label/brand/title for themselves anyway
mircea_popescu: he read unspecified "central texts" and references some william buckley. who the fuck is william buckley ? turns out, a tv show host.
deedbot: PeterL voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: PeterL voiced for 30 minutes.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-19 17:42 mircea_popescu: come to think of it, the idea of using acetonitrile is very bizarre. much better polar solvents exist ; unless the remarkably high dielectric constant of the substance is useful.
mircea_popescu: PeterL they use lots of it, and constantly bitch about how expensive it is to handle.
mircea_popescu: whatever be the case. PeterL presumably has a very legitimate need for it, being in the business of organics. these schmucks making advanced clays however... not so much.
PeterL: and solubility is not exactly linear with polarity
PeterL: depends on other factors as well
PeterL: my sister-in-law started leaking after spending a day at the maternity ward when my daughter was born, she had weaned her kid about a year before that
mircea_popescu: this is pretty well known, sure. actually screaming on a reasonable frequency will get recent mommies all lactating in a social setting.
hanbot: <BingoBoingo> ^ Qntra Farm Report is back! Eat Moar Monsanto! << is there anti-monsanto graffiti in the us, btw? common theme here. also, "go home obama", from a few months ago.
BingoBoingo: Nah, Bayer pretty much has to buy Monsanto
hanbot had to double-take whether there was "unilever" printed over a local "pizzalomo" ad on a building the other day
hanbot: it wasn't, but prolly coming.
phf: trinque: what kind api?
trinque: just whatever's passed to the search page as data
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun see how he needs any further spray for any purpose, the substance's self-discrediting enough.
trinque: anybody built sbcl on musl?
trinque senses he will need his shitwaders for this
shinohai: testing a file upload script since I'm ditching imgur for good.
shinohai: I tried earlier today, was 404 for me :/
shinohai: "Whose a pain in the ass now bitch?"
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell copypaste btw the party's here --> #trilema