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penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/lets-translate-a-little-rinduieli-de-marin-sorescu/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Rinduieli' ~= (arabic) 'adat' ?
mircea_popescu: that's datina datini, belive it or not.
asciilifeform: понятия.
mircea_popescu: the difference'd be rinduieli can be rationally defended, datini are not.
mircea_popescu: yeah pony is closer
mircea_popescu: actually it's just about exactly it.
asciilifeform: therewego, cooking with gas.
mircea_popescu: http://33.media.tumblr.com/482efd86111bd9cfe13ee302465639de/tumblr_mz1uqaPhkc1r87wz9o1_1280.jpg << and the spark of life.
asciilifeform: lol!
asciilifeform: is that a 'B' battery ?
asciilifeform: and nice lathework. respekt.
mircea_popescu: obviously a lot of blood, sweat and tears went into that.
asciilifeform: own work ?
mircea_popescu: a no.
asciilifeform: on 2nd look, the blue cylindrical object is a dc motor.
asciilifeform: rotor on bottom, to the right of the lead-screw
asciilifeform: presumably strikes it mid-way through rotation
asciilifeform: or rather, motor only engages when the little rotor touches the screw
asciilifeform: a la old-fashioned school bell.
asciilifeform: to start apparatus, it is presumably given a small clockwise twist while current applied.
asciilifeform: wing nut on lead screw - obviously - sets depth.
mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/db9cc5b867a112993e0f818b7359b3d1/tumblr_mw1zrmojRM1s9tujho1_500.png
asciilifeform: oubliette!
asciilifeform is quite confident in the reverse-engineered scheme above.
asciilifeform: except - object on upper side of motor is a commutator.
asciilifeform: so, no twist start needed.
asciilifeform: goes merrily buzzing on power-up.
mircea_popescu: a well designed little apparatus.
asciilifeform: the fellow who built it may or may not have been a tattooist in russian prison.
asciilifeform: typical scheme of apparatus used there.
mircea_popescu: just about.
mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/f26ac8f8aaa82ec58ed70e3976dfe457/tumblr_mvqutdrHlR1sq388oo1_400.gif << and here's stoya, doing what she does (ie, setting the mark for performance)
asciilifeform wonders - anyone else awake? and had alternate interpretation of gadget pictured earlier?
mircea_popescu: if previously awake - now busy.
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: speaking of which... brb
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00075973 = 19.9049 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: do you think there is a way to have an externally chargeable battery as "save" battery on video game cartridges
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: as described earlier
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2014#821825☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2014 18:52:57; asciilifeform: it doesn't have to be a coin cell, either. can attach one of, say, these - http://www.ictradenet.com/models_pic/BH2AA-W.jpg - to outside of cartridge. drill a hole, attach terminals to correct spots. won't win any beauty contests, but will work.
thestringpuller: so external ports long with the leads? I'm not well versed in electrical engineering unfortunately.
asciilifeform: snip off original battery holder, note where '+' and '-' were.
thestringpuller: as long as same voltage etc.?
asciilifeform: solder red lead from battery box to '+', black to '-'. first thread wires through hole in chassic (electric drill)
asciilifeform: origial was 'cr2032' ?
asciilifeform: *original
thestringpuller: yes. most probably unless this specific cartridge was an outlier.
asciilifeform: use two lithium (specifically) aa batteries in a common series holder (as pictured.)
thestringpuller: i'm terrified of modifying because this is a cartridge that appreciates in value due to rarity or something
asciilifeform: if kept as collectible - seal it in a bag under nitrogen, why would you play it.
thestringpuller: LOL
thestringpuller: you speak truth
thestringpuller: i should just buy a Wii-U and get the downloadable version to play for 15 bucks
thestringpuller: seal the original cart in a bag
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00075917 = 22.3196 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'muiere' ~= engl. 'give head' ?
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/localbitcoins-making-bitcoin-easier/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.17417502 = 0.6967 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.17154857 = 0.8577 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it just means woman. most speakers wouldn't notice the relation and im probably going to get inundated with hatemail in the morn
asciilifeform: lulz
mircea_popescu: it's an older term, mostly disused, ever so slightly derrogatory.
mircea_popescu: it's vulgar latin, from mulieris.
mircea_popescu: suppoisedly sucking cock (a da [la] muie, contracted to muie) comes from gypsy language, where muie means mouth.
mircea_popescu: but this distinction is you know, what you make of it.
mircea_popescu: the notion that romanian borrowed anything whatsoever from romales is beyond ridiculous anyway. maybe took back whatever the gypos stole at some point, and that at the very most.
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1490&cpage=1#comment-16768 << great masters of not-getting-the-point, at work
assbot: Loper OS » Practical Blockchain Telegraphy.
kakobrekla: !s SHOUTOUT TO #BITCOIN-ASSETS
assbot: 1 results for 'SHOUTOUT TO #BITCOIN-ASSETS' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=SHOUTOUT+TO+%23BITCOIN-ASSETS
kakobrekla: now 3.
punkman: I was playing a bit at moneypot.com (dice thingy), then I saw this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=709185.msg8776834#msg8776834
assbot: MoneyPot.com -- The Social Gambling Game
punkman: is this a scam? "Look there's a fucking system!"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 1083 @ 0.00141329 = 1.5306 BTC [-] {4}
cazalla: damn, moneypot hooks you instantly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.17999999 = 0.54 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform using addresses to encode satisfies your criteria, it doesn't have to be amounts
mircea_popescu: which is why the b-a deeds system will use addresses rather than amounts.
asciilifeform: need certain amounts to avoid getting dust-collected.
mircea_popescu: hm?
asciilifeform: can't send nil
mircea_popescu: sure, gotta send some btc.
asciilifeform: or less than $dust lower bound
asciilifeform: plus programmatic generation of addrs with reasonably-secure private keys is gnarly.
asciilifeform: (you want the privates if you want the recycling-loop.)
asciilifeform: *usefully encoded addrs with reasonably secure privates
mircea_popescu: sure, its not free.
asciilifeform: my understanding is that for your application, the payload is very small, and 'shooting coin into the sun' in an open loop system - suffices.
asciilifeform: (garbage dest. address)
mircea_popescu: it's not clear that wasting the tx fees for a very narrow space (ie, the amt) is actually cheaper than wasting the min tx for wider space (the address
mircea_popescu: but anyway, a discussion for other times!
asciilifeform: when blasting into garbage addr, still have to include fee
asciilifeform: so necessarily - costlier.
asciilifeform: but yes, wider space...
asciilifeform doesn't give enough of a damn to crunch the numbers
mircea_popescu: makes 2 of us :)
asciilifeform: one caveat with using addresses - 'decoder' must not rely on the garbage addr's balance never moving on own volition. one might, at any time, end up producing an addr to which someone has a key.
mircea_popescu: kinda the idea, yea.
mircea_popescu: anyway, tomorrow!
TheNewDeal: ;;nethash
gribble: 217919029.299
TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 320252 | Current Difficulty: 2.7428630902257874E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 320543 | Next Difficulty In: 291 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 16 hours, 36 minutes, and 16 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 29479555603.0 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.47731
ben_vulpes: evening gang
ben_vulpes: just woke up from the post bang nap
ben_vulpes: awwww missed le popescu@
TheNewDeal: how was the bang nap?
ben_vulpes: restorative
TheNewDeal: and the post bang nap?
ben_vulpes: ho ho ho
TheNewDeal: :D
TheNewDeal: !up decimation
ben_vulpes: clever boy u
decimation: heh thanks
TheNewDeal: everybody gets one
ben_vulpes: man
ben_vulpes: condoms
ben_vulpes: wtf
ben_vulpes: now i reek of latex
ben_vulpes: <xmj> ...and django, and uwsgi, and $crap << hey have you ever done anything with uwsgi or gunicorn as a dev server?
decimation: asciilifeform: I ordered a tcxo version of that gps timing module from some junk dealer in shenzhen http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEO-7N-Flight-Controller-GPS-Module-with-3-Axis-Compass-Pixhawk-APM-2-6-e-/281404421897?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item418502b709
assbot: Neo 7N Flight Controller GPS Module with 3 Axis Compass Pixhawk apm 2 6 E | eBay
ben_vulpes: i want to close the gap between traditional django dev with the mangy pie runderper
ben_vulpes: and production with nginx/apache | gunicorn/uwsgi | piecrap
decimation: ben_vulpes: is apache dead to the cool web 2.0 kids these days?
ben_vulpes: uh apche's fine
ben_vulpes: ape cheese
decimation: seems to me that the list of alternatives is growing
ben_vulpes: what else is one to do when the application layer server authors say retarded shit like
ben_vulpes: "THIS IS NOT A WEB SERVER PLEAZE FOAR TO HIDE BEHIND APACHE OAR NGINX PROXY PASS"
ben_vulpes: dude
ben_vulpes: http ain't so hard
ben_vulpes: you want complicated stupid broken and fucked up beyond all reason? come hang with the asseteers
ben_vulpes: the go situation doesn't even have a production ready wallet
decimation: why is it "popular" then?
ben_vulpes: apache or nginx?
decimation: well, 'go'
ben_vulpes: oh
ben_vulpes: static types, adequately lispy
ben_vulpes: not "which" python
ben_vulpes: ("which")
mike_c: http is kinda hard. you're exposing yourself to untrusted input from the wild
decimation: not if you serve static pages
mike_c: sure you are
mike_c: still gotta process the http request.
decimation: true, but the universe of possible responses is greatly restricted
ben_vulpes: http://www.complang.org/ragel
assbot: Ragel State Machine Compiler
mike_c: more like shit that can go wrong while making sense of the request itself. grep nginx changelogs for the last four years for plentiful examples
ben_vulpes: first, you must state machine.
decimation: neat ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: ragel is bees knees
decimation: in general protocols are the devil
mike_c: i like hiding behind nginx. igor is smart.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13885 @ 0.00075866 = 10.534 BTC [-]
decimation: even TCP is devilish
ben_vulpes: those russians
ben_vulpes: i heard a rumor that nginx has 0% test coverage
ben_vulpes: and builds are shipped around as tarballs
decimation: I like the idea of sending a single udp packet as a request and receiving a stream of udp packets in reply
mike_c: i printed out the source code 3 years ago and i retype it into each server i want to run nginx on to ensure no problems.
ben_vulpes: when i was 14 i talked my cs teacher into letting me use the first chapter of text from cryptonomicon as my wpm benchmark
ben_vulpes: 'cs'
decimation: lol
ben_vulpes: i think ithat i broke 140
ben_vulpes: which, as others have said, "i don't care about how many characters per minute my programmers can type, but whether they type the *right* characters"
asciilifeform: gps box << curious, why ?
decimation: asciilifeform: for poor man's lab reference, for some rf experiments
asciilifeform: decimation: lab reference of what?
asciilifeform: decimation: you don't get any magical enhancement of short-term clock stability that way.
decimation: the device can be commanded to output pulses at arbitrary frequencies
asciilifeform: sure.
decimation: which is why I got the tcxo option. the real solution would be to use it to long-term discipline an oxco
decimation: it would be nice to have a 1pps output for time-tagging too
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> http://33.media.tumblr.com/7acf8dba23117cd363e41e8f5d25581c/tumblr_mzo97lKriP1rhup7qo1_400.gif someone said something of pronz. << sauce?
decimation: as for the short-term stability, I want to measure the phase noise with a proper lab instrument
asciilifeform: decimation: get an Rb oscillator on 'ebay' or the like.
asciilifeform: !up decimation
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah that would be an even better solution. One could use my gps module to correct the long-term frequency variation of Rb oscillator
BingoBoingo: http://deadspin.com/giancarlo-stanton-removed-on-stretcher-after-fastball-t-1633816961
assbot: Giancarlo Stanton Removed On Stretcher After Fastball To The Face
BingoBoingo: http://bitbet.us/bet/882/giancarlo-stanton-wins-nl-mvp/
assbot: BitBet - Giancarlo Stanton wins NL MVP :: 0.08 B (35%) on Yes, 0.15 B (65%) on No | closed 1 week 5 days ago
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 320259 | Current Difficulty: 2.7428630902257874E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 320543 | Next Difficulty In: 284 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 15 hours, 10 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 29494409676.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.53147
xmj: ben_vulpes: hey.
xmj: ben_vulpes: My Dev environment here on this laptop consists of NGINX, some php-fpm, some apache/mod_php, uwsgi and even some manage.py runserver (all at the same time)
xmj: ben_vulpes: this setup is a bit ... shall we call it legacy inspired. But yes. NGINX and uwsgi <3 it works.
xmj: ben_vulpes: fwiw, I much prefer nginx to apache. saner configuration, much faster speed -by default.
artifexd: !s deeds
assbot: 62 results for 'deeds' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=deeds
xmj: fluffypony: do let me know if I can help you with that bitmonero port today
fluffypony: xmj: please do
xmj: er
xmj: fluffypony: do please let me know HOW I can help you with that bitmonero port today
fluffypony: lol
fluffypony: you can create the port...since it compiles out the box it shouldn't need anything except fancy except pkg-descr, which I have already done
fluffypony: I can give you a list of deps
xmj: well, the idea is that you maintain the port and then get infected by the maintainership virus.
xmj: heh.
fluffypony: lol
fluffypony: hold that thought, I need to eat something
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1650 @ 0.00075897 = 1.2523 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.19989999 = 0.7996 BTC [+] {2}
xmj: fluffypony: sure
xmj runnig errands
RagnarDanneskjol: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-319-11851-2_5#page-1
assbot: BlueWallet: The Secure Bitcoin Wallet - Springer
fluffypony: oh this is cool
fluffypony: https://code.google.com/p/corkami/source/detail?r=1906
assbot: r1906 - corkami - Reverse engineering & visual documentations - Google Project Hosting
RagnarDanneskjol: ooh
RagnarDanneskjol: !s corkami
assbot: 2 results for 'corkami' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=corkami
RagnarDanneskjol: thought it looked familiar
fluffypony: yeah just a pity that they use Google Code
fluffypony: makes me feel like its 2005 all over again
RagnarDanneskjol: ha. yea googl code blows
Vexual: mech kittehz poised
Vexual: serpentine eyes entombed in shell
Vexual: i can't believe it's not haiku
Vexual: ;;laserkittens
gribble: ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1276 @ 0.00054999 = 0.7018 BTC [-] {3}
Vexual: ascii: choice of materials on this device indicate it might measure and or deliver potential when fully optioned
Vexual: !up nubbins`
Vexual: !up Namworld you're up early
Namworld: Yeah, I get up early now.
Vexual: more power
Namworld: Eh, not really. Day is the same lenght, regardless of sleeping hours
Vexual: yeah that too
jurov: <asciilifeform> ... russian queer-haters. << that's perfect definition of moscow orthodox church, thanks
RagnarDanneskjol: !up Namworld
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: just woke up from the post bang nap << gangbang ? pics ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: not "which" python << lol you hear that zing asciilifeform ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c: more like shit that can go wrong while making sense of the request itself. grep nginx changelogs for the last four years for plentiful examples << but not the same can be said of apache, because those 4 years are in 1988, and consequently not on the "internet". which makes the point about "newer is better" in spades.
mircea_popescu: also mike, sometime do some anal on the correlation between s.mpoe and http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ another fucking random variable right there
assbot: #bitcoin-assets stats
mircea_popescu: mike_c: i printed out the source code 3 years ago and i retype it into each server i want to run nginx on to ensure no problems. << laugh all oyu will but when i was a kid this was exactly how you did it.
mircea_popescu: http://33.media.tumblr.com/6836b6d0201ddcc9f42aedb1c10779fd/tumblr_mmtic3HdIk1qb5ov1o1_500.gif << this is not safe to watch.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: http://deadspin << why not comment on bitbet ?
mircea_popescu: "If no one comes from the future to stop you from doing it, then how bad of a decision can it really be?"
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: lmao romanians are total fuckwits. so : in 2008, the pressure on local journalism university programmes was 6-7 teenagers per place. five years later, two thirds of local media outlets went out of business, aggregate local media audience dropped to a third (not by a third!) and virtually all professional journalists that were clueless enough to have been left started streetwalking on the side.
mircea_popescu: the result ? pressure increased to 8 kids per place.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00075826 = 9.3645 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !up chalbersma
mircea_popescu: !up guntha
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I was hoping some people might try to guess the extent of the injuries. I dun think this late in the season it really affects his MVP chances. Dude has a solid lead on that.
mircea_popescu: o, actually ?
mircea_popescu: i'm iiignorant, i thought it was the kiss o' death
rithm: one thing i've always disliked about xchat (or my setup) is that it doesn't log nick highlights
BingoBoingo: Well there isn't much season left and he's been that dominant. Prolly out until next year at least though. Lacerations, broken bones, broken teeth reported this morning...
rithm: my channel status changes, but i have to search the buffer and I'm too lazy for that
BingoBoingo: If it would have happened last month he'd be out of the race. Happening this month... Prolly too late to derail.
mircea_popescu: what do you mean doesn't log them
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo is mvp a purely technical measurement like batting average or is it a voted/popularity contest ?
BingoBoingo: It's a voted thing the people with the best measurements usually win, but some years it gets controversial
BingoBoingo: Usually it is the guys with better numbers beating popular guys
mircea_popescu: well in that case injury after solid performance is by far the best he could do
mircea_popescu: better than sustained solid performance even
BingoBoingo: Seems so.
punkman: possible namecheap alternative: https://www.namesilo.com/
punkman: looks decent, no design derpage
BingoBoingo: It seems like with Stanton's lead in the Home Run race, he could still finish the season with the most.
BingoBoingo: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140912072316
assbot: Energy-efficient bcrypt cracking
ThickAsThieves: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/12/us-usa-bitcoin-cftc-idUSKBN0H71FU20140912
assbot: Bitcoin gets boost as U.S. watchdog approves first swap| Reuters
penguirker: New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/09/12/architecture-in-riga/
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves myeah.
ThickAsThieves: http://i.imgur.com/17rR3VI.jpg
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha no wai
mod6: hahah
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.feedyes.com/premium.php
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.feedyes.com
pete_dushenski: howdy!
pete_dushenski: logging up for 2 days ago...
RagnarDanneskjol: hiya pete - how goes the trip
pete_dushenski: heya RagnarDanneskjol! back home safe and sound now.
pete_dushenski: trip was just right
pete_dushenski: not too big, not too small
RagnarDanneskjol: nice - a little travel can go a long way if done right
pete_dushenski: mhm
mircea_popescu: hey pete
pete_dushenski: hey mircea_popescu
pete_dushenski: how goes the battle?
rithm: dj battle, rap battle, dance crew battle?
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: Raymonds Restaurant << colour me intrigued!
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski great lol, reading the ro derpage of some guy explaining everyone how trilema is dead because "it has no comments"
mircea_popescu: it's funny to contemplate how many doods hate me, and for what endless sort of terms.
mircea_popescu: !up PeterL__
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: sounds like a blast :)
PeterL__: don't mind me, just lurking
mircea_popescu: lurk away.
pete_dushenski: considering that i can think of few personal blogs with more comments...
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski dude is giving himself as an example. the funny thing is that wordpress has a comment index, trilema is over 100k, his blog was 5k, but hey. HE rules.
mircea_popescu: anyway, yes, im entertained. and riga looks great, nobody thinks of it as a vacation destination, but i don't recall ever hating it there.
pete_dushenski: common question upon return:
pete_dushenski: "why latvia?"
xmj: pete_dushenski: why not?
pete_dushenski: answer: "because i hadn't been there"
xmj: that sounds like me.
mircea_popescu: well yeah, they all want to go to ibiza, because "everyne goes there"
pete_dushenski: plus, legal prostitution, eu standard of living, cheaper than west/central eu
mircea_popescu: you know where everyone really goes ? to the fucking toilet. what reason to pick a vacation in the bathroom is that!
pete_dushenski: everyone here goes to vegas, mexico, etc. just to get pissed
pete_dushenski: thailand too, i suppose
pete_dushenski: but that's not even just the kids, most "adults" from here as well
pete_dushenski: but there's enough immigrants here that there's some worldliness if you look for it
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: and yes, the bathroom is "#1 hotspot"
pete_dushenski: and ty to mircea_popescu and ThickAsThieves for the kind comments :)
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski seriously tho, that's when it begins, when the blog's a tool of self expression.
mircea_popescu: "here's how i'd say this, here's how i'd write this, and here's how i'd blog this"
pete_dushenski: hm yes, that rings true
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: jesus canucks are tought. << lol at least the ones here
mircea_popescu: !up ziggla
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski you got you work cut for you now, what is it, 5 days of logs ?
ziggla: thanks mirc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00076334 = 17.8622 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i was keeping up until the 16 hours of flights and subsequent catching up with people/work
pete_dushenski: on the 10th nao
mircea_popescu: a not so bad
mircea_popescu: ziggla sure. who're you ?
ziggla: a bitbet user
ziggla: who are you?
mircea_popescu: a bitbet owner.
ziggla: ha ok
ThickAsThieves: heh
mircea_popescu: lol i'm going to die as the lord of repartee
ThickAsThieves: dealer meets user
ziggla: maybe you can clarify something for me
mircea_popescu: shoot
ziggla: i'm confused about this silk road bet
ziggla: when do we find out?
ThickAsThieves: never it seems
mircea_popescu: a that sore spot. well ideally we find out once the usg finally and publicly admits to having been owned, painfully and humiliatingly.
ziggla: lol
ThickAsThieves: see you shoulda just let me make the schrodinger bet
ThickAsThieves: at least that wouldve resolved
ziggla: when will they admit?
mircea_popescu: but unideally, i will just unilaterally decide one side, and that will be what happened,
mircea_popescu: irrespective of what the usg may falsely or accurately claim afterwards.
ziggla: you will just decide?
mircea_popescu: yea.
ziggla: why don't you just cancel the whole thing if we don't find out?
ziggla: seems like a big risk
mircea_popescu: because the bet exists.
mircea_popescu: the risk exists, but it lies with the usg.
mircea_popescu: if it doesn't want to have to lie later, it better tell the truth now.
ziggla: i don't get it
ziggla: what would it lie about/?
mircea_popescu: what price it sold the btc.
mircea_popescu: after i make a decision, if their claims contradict that decision... they're lieing.
ThickAsThieves: ziggla needs to know your version of the truth here
ziggla: but i don't see the purpose of them lying
mircea_popescu: well i don't have one.
mircea_popescu: last fucking thing i want is to play the oracle for bureaucracies
mircea_popescu: ziggla that's kinda what they do, tbh.
ziggla: ha
ThickAsThieves: <+ziggla> but i don't see the purpose of them lying /// are you like 11yo?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: can you normally tell what's wrong with you, if something's wrong, and what food item was the cause, if you're sick ? << hilarious when people get food poisoning, blame it on last meal they ate, ignorant of bacteria with >1 week incubation periods (e. coli, listeria, etc.)
mircea_popescu: anyway, what's the purpose of not publishing it afterwards ? after all that lead-up and promissory behaviour, o noes, we will ruin btc lalal.
ThickAsThieves: there's always a purpose to lying
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski if you stfu and listen to your body, you can generally tell.
pete_dushenski: and that they probably cross-contaminated something at home or at friend's house, not restaurant.
ThickAsThieves: and always a lie to tell
ziggla: seems easiest to not play oracle if you don't have to make any decisions about your thoughts of the usg if the bet is just cancelled
mircea_popescu: ziggla the difference is that you perceive this theoretical 3rd way, of "cancelling bets". i don't.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: perhaps you can, perhaps i can, perhaps other cannot
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski it definitely doesn't work 100%, sure.
ziggla: i'm sure bets have been cancelled on bitbet before
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: people just wanna blame someone or something else anyways, eg. the joo
ThickAsThieves: bets have been cancelled
ThickAsThieves: rare tho
mircea_popescu: ziggla not that many, and not usually in a contention.
mircea_popescu: generally a bet gets cancelled early on, cause w/e, it was miswritten
PeterL__: didn't somebody submit a foia request for the price? have they still not heard back?
mircea_popescu: but there's a legitimate contention here, no way to cancel.
mircea_popescu: PeterL__ multiple people. the 30 day term has been exceeded. by 50+ days.
ThickAsThieves: the USMS acknowledged they have had many public inquiries as to the info
ThickAsThieves: and said theyd give a statement early Aug
ThickAsThieves: that never happened
ziggla: yes, so we wait for them to release this info
ziggla: but they haven't
ziggla: just wonderring how long we wait
PeterL__: rules are for the peons
mircea_popescu: ziggla can't wait forever, obviously. but the alternative is imo worse.
ThickAsThieves: so now a few people have FOIA requests pending
ThickAsThieves: as you can see with the latet NYDFS update
ThickAsThieves: ,
ziggla: it's pretty easy to cancel imo
mircea_popescu: PeterL__ it's funny you know because they walked right into it, they were all "o we hve a pr stragety, here's how we'll crush bitcoin's image lalal"
ThickAsThieves: USG isnt really giving info feedback on bitcoin anything
ziggla: sorry folks, this bet is unresolvable. usg won't release the info. it has been 3 months. we will refund the bets.
ziggla: seems easy enough
ThickAsThieves: it is resolvable
mircea_popescu: ziggla well in that sense driving into the wall is easy, just turn the weel and push the gas.
ThickAsThieves: it is merely unresolved
mircea_popescu: running a business doing that is a lot harder
PeterL__: reminds me of interacting with the IRS "Please submit this info within 3 days or else huge fine, expect a response in 12-16 weeks, maybe"
ThickAsThieves: yeah pretty much
ziggla: yes, it is resolvable. i wish the USG would just cooperate so we can know
mircea_popescu: PeterL__ i still regret no judge made their email thing precendent. "from now on, an y taxpayer may just pretend they lost the emails"
ThickAsThieves: NYDFS needs 3mos to fabricate the bitcoin research they said they already did
mircea_popescu: ziggla makes 2 of us
mircea_popescu: or whatever, 50 million
ThickAsThieves: USMS needs more apparently to fabricate a reality where whatever story they give about the auction will seem true
mircea_popescu: personally, i'm waiting for the drama bubble to pop.
ThickAsThieves: drama bubble?
mircea_popescu: very good drama in the whole auction thing. lots and lots.
mircea_popescu: just need someone to get it together and leak the emails and sutff already
ThickAsThieves: dont the losers deserve to know?
mircea_popescu: totally.
ziggla: mircea, just curious what you think the price was in case you decide to resolve the bet rather than an official release from USMS
ziggla: i'd like to know if i stand to win or not
ziggla: i also don't agree with that methodology either way
mircea_popescu: ziggla i have nfi yet. i deliberately avoided the topic, because why prejudge
ziggla: justc curious
mircea_popescu: anyway, if you're curiuous re precedent, the bfl scammers put 500 btc on a delivery bet early on in bitbet's history
ThickAsThieves: i used to be sure he overpaid, but he was so fukn tightlipped to every direct question on the price
mircea_popescu: then they failed to deliver but tried to claim that "it's unresolvable"
mircea_popescu: some scamsites working with them to help them skewer noobs aquiesced, which ruined their reputation. bitbet did not.
ThickAsThieves: its just "off", this auction
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves if nothing else, there's going to be an investor report, not like he's mp spending his own money.
ThickAsThieves: does that other bet site exist anymore?
mircea_popescu: arguably.
ThickAsThieves: or did they just reskin to betmoose?
ziggla: 500 btc is different than like 7 btc. the silk road bet isn't for much. don't think tim draper or the usms is scamming newbs on bitbet here
mircea_popescu: ziggla its not really germane, when discussing precedent. and yes, i do think usms is scamming.
ziggla: so if they are going to lie and scam, you think they will try to inflate the price they received?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves afaik betmoose is the attempt to "prove me wrong" of some guy that was pissed that i despise the "marketplace model"
ziggla: that's the only point of lying i see
mircea_popescu: ziggla it's complicated.
mircea_popescu: originally it was going to be "nobody wanted to bid so we just gave it to our friends to help us "enforce" price policy"
ThickAsThieves: they also have an asston more coin to sell
mircea_popescu: but then that fell through. now, how exactly it fell through... it's not clear.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so they claim.
ziggla: interesting
mircea_popescu: so far, it's unclear they've even delivered this batch
ThickAsThieves: they did at least transmit coins
mircea_popescu: maybe.
mircea_popescu: someone moved some coins.
ThickAsThieves: right
ziggla: pretty sure the transaction to tim draper was confirmed
mircea_popescu: ziggla confirmed, how ?
ziggla: i thought i saw articles
ThickAsThieves: he never signed from the waller
ThickAsThieves: t
mircea_popescu: ziggla your standard of proof may be weak.
ziggla: i guess i haven't looked into it too closely
ThickAsThieves: not that he has an identity to prove it
mircea_popescu: that's kinda the problem, noobs wanna pretend like they're playing this crypto currency game.
mircea_popescu: except they want to do it with clay pots.
ziggla: at the end of the day, rather than wait potentially forever for a small profit or loss, i'd prefer to just receive my bet money back. it's just a long wait and i have no other bitcoins to bet so i can't even place more bets that i'd like to right now.
mircea_popescu: i hear you.
mircea_popescu: if you will, take solace in the concept that a fiat investment arrived in contention can trivially lock your funds for a decade+
ThickAsThieves: i know i'm biased, but i cant look at the betmoose web design long enough to attempt using it
mircea_popescu: and we're not even a year in here.
artifexd: <ThickAsThieves> and said theyd give a statement early Aug << Maybe they did give a statement. They held a press conference on the back loading dock at 3 am on a Tuesday and forgot to call the press... or anybody.
mircea_popescu: that's not giving.
ThickAsThieves: nah they have a feed for PR
ThickAsThieves: right on the website
mircea_popescu: when was the auction again ? june wasn't it ?
ThickAsThieves: announced may i think
ThickAsThieves: i forget
mircea_popescu: yeah they announced draper like 1st of july
mircea_popescu: so they should have responded by 1st of august
mircea_popescu: thern they said they'll break the law, but do it by end of august
mircea_popescu: and here's semptember.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's also possible someone sued, which is frequent in these auctions
mircea_popescu: the auction won't be settled until all claims are resolved.
asciilifeform: only way the truth (tm) comes out is if more than a few of the players involved are thoroughly pwned, rooted, results trotted out.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform being worked on i hear.
asciilifeform: and even then only if the culprits hanged upside down, wired to the mains by the balls, and admit the data genuine.
ziggla: OK. well maybe if it's not solved for like 5 years and i end up winning it will be worth a lot more at that time
ziggla: bitbet is like a bank
mircea_popescu: ziggla this was said before.
ziggla: but i guess then i have to trust bitbet will remain solvent and hold my coins securely
ziggla: which is kind of worrisome, no offense
mircea_popescu: in principle, if your credit / wot ratings are good, you should be able to use the proof of holding the bet you made as collateral with a gpg contract
ThickAsThieves: auction announced june 13 ftr
mircea_popescu: i see no impediment to this secondary market developing, rather than forcing me to do stupid shit.
ThickAsThieves: held on Jun 27
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yeah that's it.
mircea_popescu: ziggla bitbet isn't going anywhere.
ThickAsThieves: <+ziggla> which is kind of worrisome, no offense /// insult is the sincerest compliment
mircea_popescu: i ain't insulted lol
ziggla: i don't think any credit agency or bank would take my funds on bitbet as a securely held asset of mine.
kakobrekla: !s bitbet audit
assbot: 10 results for 'bitbet audit' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bitbet+audit
ziggla: maybe if we had a GSA or something
mircea_popescu: ziggla a bitcoin bank might.
mircea_popescu: if you knew one / one existed.
kakobrekla: ziggla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2014#608481☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-04-2014 20:18:41; bitcoinpete_: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/results-of-first-bitbet-audit-april-7-2014/
ThickAsThieves: btcjam would
ThickAsThieves: ;)
ziggla: i guess in my opinion the most fair result is to just cancel/refund the bets at a certain point. prefer not to wait forever
mircea_popescu: well yeah, but sadly things can't always work the way we'd like them to.
mircea_popescu: the arabs want women that stay virgins, never bleed and are made of translucent flesh
mircea_popescu: !up ziggla
ziggla: ha. i think its pretty easy to make them work that way
ziggla: but i guess it should be what the masses want
ziggla: i am flexible, just want everyone to be happy and feel satisfied
ThickAsThieves: ever considered a porn career?
ziggla: yes
ziggla: but i have a small penis
ThickAsThieves: :)
assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/03MAB12.txt )
ThickAsThieves: !b 5
ziggla: maybe there's a role out there for us dudes with 3 inch cocks
ThickAsThieves: sry
asciilifeform: not everyone on the stage needs one at all...
ThickAsThieves: there surely is a role
ziggla: its wide like a soup can though
ThickAsThieves: Soupcan Sue
ziggla: maybe can make a bit. Will ziggla get a role in a porn movie by June 2015?
ThickAsThieves: there's your porn name
ziggla: i'd probably bet no
ziggla: and if i lost, i'd still win cause at least i'd be in a porn movie
mircea_popescu: ziggla> but i have a small penis << this is no impediment, so does stoya
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: why not just buy shipping containers then. not so expensive, can be stacked... << http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/01/30/shipping-container-house-vancouver_n_4697469.html
assbot: Shipping Container Housing Community To Grow In Vancouver
ziggla: who is stoya
mircea_popescu: !s stoya
assbot: 16 results for 'stoya' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=stoya
ziggla: pretty sure there's a female pornstar named stoya
ThickAsThieves: oh those reading vids are great
kakobrekla: here we have an ugly one called 'la toya'
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: fiberglass toxic << yes << just insulation or… canoe?
ThickAsThieves: http://hystericalliterature.com/stoya/
asciilifeform: re: container houses piece << classic chumpatron. put up steel container on empty lot to live in -> illegal, confiscated. bezzlamatic cuts costs for self by using shipping containers (painted to look like house) -> 'amazing company, innovators!'
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
ThickAsThieves: lol https://www.betmoose.com/bet/bitcoin-cryptography-broken-in-2015-791
assbot: Bitcoin Cryptography Broken in 2015 - BetMoose
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves thing got rejected on bitbet recently i think ?
ThickAsThieves: hilarious, if Yes, then your winnings are worthless
ziggla: i just went to that bitmooose site. it's lol
ziggla: betmoose*
asciilifeform: in any and all anglo-reich tendrils, a house is required to cost at least 2-3 years of the expected occupant's entire wage. break this rule, they break your neck.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall the case of the people making that very cheap wholly natural house, being ordered to destroy it ?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: 2-3? more like 5-7
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: 2-3 around here
mircea_popescu: was based on some high fiction popular work, the hobbit or w/e
asciilifeform: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/eco-friendly-hobbit-house-must-demolished-3931069
assbot: Eco-friendly 'Hobbit house' must be DEMOLISHED as council rules it illegal - Mirror Online
mircea_popescu: ^
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: lol hobbits… so about that fiberglass toxicity?
pete_dushenski: fiberglass has applications and uses outside of insulation
mircea_popescu: it's not relly toxic, more like noxious. the glass itself is harmless silica, but the shape it has allows it to mechanically breach the skin,
mircea_popescu: and cause lung and respiratory tract serious issues
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: loose fibers. itchy.
pete_dushenski: like asbestos then
asciilifeform: precisely like asbestos (which the fiberglass makers had banned)
mircea_popescu: no, asbestos is toxic.
pete_dushenski: and ya, itchy dusty bits are no bueno
asciilifeform: no prizes for guessing why they banned
asciilifeform: asbestos is inert
ziggla: ha i see that betmoose site cancelled the silk road bet. hmmmmm
asciilifeform: but irritating mechanically, just like fiberglass
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform from what i know it actually is not, and seems to trigger a type of lung cancer in some people
asciilifeform: no need for poison to trigger cancer
asciilifeform: just churn cell inventory in an organ ahead of schedule
asciilifeform: whittle telomeres.
mircea_popescu: so mesothelioma ?
asciilifeform: that's how.
mircea_popescu: i guess thios is true, after all. protective cover.
mircea_popescu: hm. well til.
mircea_popescu: ty :)
ThickAsThieves: wow i'd rage if they tore down my hobbit home
ThickAsThieves: it had been up years by the time
mircea_popescu: "this is my house where i go to play with my graphs!"
ThickAsThieves: lol
ThickAsThieves: how can one troll without a troll house?!
asciilifeform: in totalitarian reich, it's not 'your' home and they aren't 'your' children
asciilifeform: both belong to the state-god-emperor.
asciilifeform: aka 'community', 'the people', whatever name-of-the-day.
ThickAsThieves: homeland
asciilifeform: vaterland.
asciilifeform: most you can hope to own, in original sense of that word, is - your arse. and that's only if you abscond with it before someone finds a better use (e.g., biodiesel.)
ThickAsThieves: mother and father are confused now, so best to avoid engendering words
mircea_popescu: ziggla so what do you do, other than betting all your coins ?
mircea_popescu: or so the imperial dream goes.
mircea_popescu: back when i was a kid, you had to try and imagine what the inquisition looked like. nowadays, you just need to check out "porn" http://31.media.tumblr.com/101eab0b3b90b3fe81916c5e95ea962a/tumblr_mr66avsy7w1s3rid7o1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: what a terrible chop job
asciilifeform: who does the bottom half belong to?
asciilifeform: 'gladiator' ?
mircea_popescu: "the departament of motherland security"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you tihnk ?
mircea_popescu: if this particular shot is fake, which i guess is possible, the thing still exists and i've seen it before.
asciilifeform: every time i see the bed of nails i think of the soviet caricature
asciilifeform: n00b goes to india to learn yoga (the -real- yoga, that lets you take a day's break from breathing and talk to the gods, in imagination of homo sovieticus)
asciilifeform: he finds the guru, sitting on the mandatory bed-o-nails
cazalla: that image looks like a screencap from an insex video
asciilifeform: guru gets up, leads n00b to a plank with a single very sharp nail.
asciilifeform: 'you gotta start small.'
mircea_popescu: anyway, if you reject my bed of nails, here's a domestic black servant girl as a replacement. http://31.media.tumblr.com/6d2383b64bd6de9018e867b5aaf31633/tumblr_mxmms3ViO51s65rzwo2_250.gif http://31.media.tumblr.com/e2b0e7664e2e4d64c5a4d8352c9d0bfa/tumblr_mxmms3ViO51s65rzwo1_250.gif http://38.media.tumblr.com/4d6b7bd5912313cf6ceda23ca4a442de/tumblr_mxmms3ViO51s65rzwo3_250.gif http://38.media.tumblr.com/fac9f44da82f3a48
mircea_popescu: 33fceac722353afd/tumblr_mxmms3ViO51s65rzwo4_250.gif
mircea_popescu: ah the "first one ?"
mircea_popescu: hehe
mircea_popescu: cazalla im pretty sure it's the armory repackaged by insex.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: twould be grand if life could go on without condoms << well, this is sort of the way life starts, y'know?
pete_dushenski: and weren't you all "i dunno about $conference because bun in oven?" a few months ago?
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes ^
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: mthreat: has mircea_popescu been to vancouver recently? http://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/so-thats-what-they-meant-by-the-beast-will-rise-up << teh lulz!
assbot: A Statue Of Satan With A Huge Erection Has Appeared In Vancouver For Some Reason
ThickAsThieves: http://freeross.org/ulbricht-defense-calls-for-evidentiary-hearing-re-server/
assbot: Ulbricht Defense calls for Evidentiary Hearing to Resolve Server question | Free Ross Ulbricht
asciilifeform: 'A simple “no” in answer to questions regarding NSA involvement could end the controversy. The government’s failure to answer generates a presumption that either “no” would not be a candid response or the prosecutors do not know the answer.'
asciilifeform: all usg needs to do is say 'no' ?
asciilifeform: and everyone will be convinced, yes.
ThickAsThieves: yeah that bothered me too
mircea_popescu: lol i'm not satan!
ThickAsThieves: parallel parallel construction?
ThickAsThieves: USG might be that meta!
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves caught in their own web of parallels.
chetty: <mircea_popescu> lol i'm not satan!// just his little brother
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 11.43088072 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 994 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: just because i'm old doesn't mean i'm involved with all the jewish agitprop :D
mircea_popescu: see jurov ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.40997627 BTC to 15`381 shares, 9167 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 2.26113278 BTC to 29`438 shares, 7681 satoshi per share
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: teh jooz run everything. cept bitcoin << tell that to goldberg ;) trilema.com/2014/the-sharp-friar-and-the-golden-jew-discuss-your-options/
mircea_popescu: http://beranger.org/ludditus/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/logo.png << who knows this dog ?
pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/510466545014046720
assbot: Enjoyed /PeterDiamandis' talk last night. Can't wait for him to join the Bitcoin fray, starting with bitcoin-assets: http://t.co/bsMbRCfy9J
asciilifeform: 'Passionate about innovation and creating a world of Abundance.' << lol!
pete_dushenski: yil: diamandis is an asteroid mining, spacexing, self-proclaimed "capitalist libertarians" who is a big believer in bitcoin and is going to be launching a bitcoin something soon
asciilifeform: chap should get on with drowning honourably aboard a seastead or stfu...
asciilifeform intensely allergic to 'silicon valley' state religion.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: lol ya and he's pro-gmo because "no one hurt yet"
asciilifeform: once you utter 'pro-' or 'anti-gmo' you're swallowed the stupid pill.
pete_dushenski: also: "wait until you see what the third world invents when they get internet access"
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: how do you figure? re gmo
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2014#800342☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-08-2014 16:08:14; asciilifeform: gmo foods << a term annoying as all hell. there are no 'gmo foods
pete_dushenski: lab-modified-foods then?
asciilifeform: focusing on the fact of modification, rather than specific purpose, is idiotic.
pete_dushenski: naively engineered top-down slop?
pete_dushenski: so is calling bitcoin crypto-currency
asciilifeform: the only extant commercial mods are - to help the plant resist megatonnes of poisonous crud poured on top.
pete_dushenski: so is calling a crossover vehicle a truck
pete_dushenski: also aridity
asciilifeform: it's precisely like calling bitcoin a 'crypto-currency', as if there were other similar apparatus worth mentioning, sitting on the shelf next to it.
pete_dushenski: right. ok so let's clean up the language and go with "lmo"
pete_dushenski: ;;ud lmo
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=LMO | LMO. Acronym of the phrase 'Let's Move On'. Most commonly used in three contexts: 1. To express the idea of accepting an event 2. To change the topic of ...
pete_dushenski: lol fitting
pete_dushenski: ;;ud gmo
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gmo | 1. genetically modified orgasm. 2. to have a fake orgasm. "I just found out my girlfriend has been GMOing on me." "Jenna Jameson is the queen of GMOing.".
pete_dushenski: jenna's up there all right
asciilifeform: american propaganda schools have an interesting term of art,
asciilifeform: 'teaching the controversy'
asciilifeform: once you've been 'taught the controversy' - that is, convincing that there -even is- reasonable debate among informed people, on a particular subject - the lie becomes a kind of half-truth, automagically
asciilifeform: because suddenly, there is (or you think there is) a debate. with 'sides.'
asciilifeform: (at least two! of which the artist controls at least 1...)
pete_dushenski: myeah. or both
pete_dushenski: but i must be going. cheers b-a!
asciilifeform: if controversy is manufactured from whole cloth, in empty space, then typically - both.
asciilifeform: https://twitter.com/PeterDiamandis << revolting spam. mega-vomit.
assbot: Peter Diamandis (PeterDiamandis) | Twitter
ThickAsThieves: "Want to become a billionaire? Then find a way to help a billion people."
asciilifeform: there's not a single post where the 'parody horizon' isn't crossed or at least approached...
asciilifeform: there are more people who miss required classes in marx-leninism than there ever will be people who will miss the silicon valley crapolade.
ThickAsThieves: a salesman is but a caricature
ThickAsThieves: http://www.coindesk.com/tim-draper-bitcoins-price-still-headed-10k/
assbot: Tim Draper: Bitcoin's Price Still Headed to $10k
ThickAsThieves: “I guess the markets aren’t seeing what I am seeing. An entire economy is being rebuilt. I have a price target of $10,000 in three years. Even that may be pessimistic.”
asciilifeform: what does $1 usd cost in soviet rubles? zimbabwe dollars ?
asciilifeform: and does anyone care ?
xmj: no.
ThickAsThieves: well...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00075704 = 2.0062 BTC [-]
xmj: ben_vulpes: around?
ben_vulpes: not really
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> focusing on the fact of modification, rather than specific purpose, is idiotic. << focusing on female immodesty rather than the specific excuse idem ?
mircea_popescu: !up jenninsea
mircea_popescu: <assbot> Tim Draper: Bitcoin's Price Still Headed to $10k << "I read some stuff on BitBet let me tell you it" FIFH
jenninsea: ty mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: yw.
mircea_popescu: !up bhcoins
The20YearIRCloud: RS Div: 0.00002808 per share on 2014-09-13
The20YearIRCloud: Just in case there's any RENT investors here
mircea_popescu: assbot reports hl divs
The20YearIRCloud: Ah
mike_c: !t h rent
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00449998 / 0.00449998 / 0.00449998 (4 shares, 0.01799992 BTC), 7D: 0.00365223 / 0.0041741 / 0.00489000 (1195 shares, 4.98804710 BTC), 30D: 0.00320001 / 0.00411841 / 0.00489000 (10651 shares, 43.86522841 BTC)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: specific excuse idem << this is more like the fabled pestholes where female dies of appendicitis unless a female appendectomist can be found, because 'modesty.'
mircea_popescu: but the point remains. what exactly is so fundamentally wrong with focusing on the fact of modification rather than "purpose" ?
mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares what the purpose is, generally speaking
asciilifeform: purpose+effect - rather than 'uses godless tech, must be satanic'
mircea_popescu: it would seem to me it's the job of the proponents to communicate that
mircea_popescu: if they fail, their failure can't be held against the conservative mind.
asciilifeform: the proponents (there's exactly 1, monsanto corp. and its subcontractors) are happily and silently raking in the $$$
mircea_popescu: and sane people are happily and silently banning them.
asciilifeform: proponents of what is currently permitted in bezzlandia, that is
mircea_popescu: homeostasis
asciilifeform: except - they aren't banning monsanto garbage. they're banning 'gmo.'
mircea_popescu: yup. tis how the world works.
mircea_popescu: borrowing from the future, always.
mircea_popescu: it's "too expensive" and "not user friendly" to proceed properly.
mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Pareidolia/ << there's actually a cool reddit.
The20YearIRCloud: 7.49% dividend yield based on current price, and we still have one more property to renovate from the original money
kakobrekla: mk price + div - ipo price = ?
mike_c: -0.00085027
kakobrekla: btcalpha saves the day
mike_c: ;;calc -.00085027 / 0.0055
gribble: -0.154594545455
mircea_popescu: http://www.nj.com/gloucester-county/index.ssf/2014/09/paulsboro_police_settle_with_three_brothers_in_alleged_assault_case.html
assbot: Paulsboro police settle with three brothers in alleged assault case | NJ.com
mircea_popescu: nj police steals 20k from random people ; nj residents get to pay for their salary ; for their paid leave ; for the court cost ; for the damages.
nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/ofjksF0.jpg
nubbins`: mp, i've been thinking about this massive problem for a while now
mircea_popescu: http://33.media.tumblr.com/b63301154fbd9241bf7c89af8ca31db3/tumblr_mxggb9heKL1ra163eo1_500.gif
mircea_popescu: lol wtf is that
nubbins`: the state fucks you up, your only recourse is to sue, which itself is detrimental to you as well as those around you
asciilifeform: nice lathework!
nubbins`: it's "if men in fighting games dressed like women"
nubbins`: not bad rly. i wouldn't fuckin fight that guy
mircea_popescu: i would lol
mircea_popescu: looks like an easy fight
nubbins`: sure, but if you miss the dick on your first strike, you're goin down
mircea_popescu: orly ?
nubbins`: them muscles didn't grow themselves
nubbins`: well. i mean. they did
nubbins`: but y'know what i'm trying to say
kakobrekla: mp shows him his dick and nigga faints?
mircea_popescu: lol but i dun get it, what's the dick going to do to me ? not like i'm a woman.
mircea_popescu: do you also fear elephants ?
nubbins`: tf?
mircea_popescu: !ud tf
mircea_popescu: ;;ud tf
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tf | The Fuck. Most commonly used as a shortened WTF. However, TF is used in instances when WTF takes too long to be said. TF is also used in a more exc...
nubbins`: what's his dick got to do with it?
nubbins`: women don't fight with their tits
mircea_popescu: you never met one with big tits then
kakobrekla: save on the "w", spend on the "!ud tf" and ";;ud tf".
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: kakobrekla new math
nubbins`: bbl jazz cigarette
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 154 @ 0.00389517 = 0.5999 BTC [-] {9}
The20YearIRCloud: now our yield is almost 9%
mike_c: the lower the price goes the higher the yield! :)
kakobrekla: lol
The20YearIRCloud: yeah, so exciting
mike_c: are you doing more issuances?
nubbins`: The20YearIRCloud i ;;later told you a tracking number a couple days ago, did you receive it?
The20YearIRCloud: Yes
nubbins`: ok!
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "1BTC >= $10,000 USD" http://bitbet.us/bet/635/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 813.28919187 BTC. Current weight: 18,995.
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1028/ Odds: 91(Y):9(N) by coin, 88(Y):12(N) by weight. Total bet: 91.96707126 BTC. Current weight: 15,533.
mircea_popescu: mike_c he got a bank loc iirc.
kakobrekla: hm
kakobrekla: []bot is missing bets
kakobrekla: is it feed by twitter? that would explain it
mircea_popescu: was it artifexd 's ?
artifexd: Yes it is fed by twitter
mircea_popescu: best feed it by rss if possible
mircea_popescu: twitter is, in so many words, a pos.
asciilifeform: piece of sale...
asciilifeform: (point of shit?)
artifexd: Yeah. I see the rss feeds for resolved and new bets. I don't see an rss feed for bets placed.
kakobrekla: and rss is so great the author offed himself.
mircea_popescu: lol
artifexd: Is there an rss feed for bets placed?
kakobrekla: and half of asset issuer on mpex has or is interested in putting current through brain.
asciilifeform: recall how naggum paid for his crime of sgml.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla is there a new bets rss ?
asciilifeform: lulz
asciilifeform reveals that he has not, in recent times, succumbed to the temptation of connecting current to brain
kakobrekla: the twitter has it no ? :D
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla help the man lol
mircea_popescu: ;;ud spastic pussy
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Spastic%20Pussy | Nov 11, 2013 ... When ones Vagina has become "twitchy" and unable to be inserted by any penis or likewise object due to the "twitchy" pussy causing pain and ...
asciilifeform waits for obligatory mention of dogs and their geometry / deadlock phenomenon
asciilifeform: and of course, the undying legend of said bug applying to human.
asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/8d55BT9v << example from well-known work of fiction
assbot: From Jerzy Kosinksy's The Painted Bird - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: ahhh pecans
asciilifeform: (and yes i do know herr kosinsky cribbed it)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it does happen to young women, sometimes.
asciilifeform: as pictured here ?
mircea_popescu: yeah
mircea_popescu: ;;google vaginismus
gribble: Vaginismus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaginismus>; Vaginismus: Causes, Symptoms, and Treatment - WebMD: <http://www.webmd.com/women/guide/vaginismus-causes-symptoms-treatments>; Vaginismus.com: Home: <https://www.vaginismus.com/>
asciilifeform: well yes
asciilifeform: but would need threaded cock for the locking action.
mircea_popescu: well depends how bad it gets but ya
asciilifeform still finds the picturesque scene in 'bird' implausible.
mircea_popescu: which was that again ?
BingoBoingo: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 205 Ask: 221 Last Price: 205 24h-Vol: 8k High: 205 Low: 205 VWAP: 204
kakobrekla: artifexd http://bitbet.us/rss/betsbets/ ?
assbot: BitBet Bets
artifexd: Sweet. Is that new?
mircea_popescu: nah
kakobrekla: i just made it
mircea_popescu: oh :D
artifexd: So the three feeds are new, resolved, betsbets? I can work with that.
kakobrekla: yea
kakobrekla: something like that
kakobrekla: one only is new
kakobrekla: the betsbets thingy
artifexd: Roughly how long is the delay between a block being broadcast and bitbet updating the feed with bets contained therein?
kakobrekla: a minute
artifexd: Okey dokey
kakobrekla: you can hit that feed as often as you like
kakobrekla: there is no restriction
mircea_popescu: lol @reddit "it's okay to be a redditor with a website ; it's not okay to be a website with a reddit account"
mircea_popescu: !up gsdgdfs
mircea_popescu: im curious when this "walled garden" idea of the internet is going to finally die, and how and why
BingoBoingo: Prolly around the time #Freenode is a channel on Bitcoin-Assets IRC
mircea_popescu: hm.
BingoBoingo: That's when it starts prolly.
mircea_popescu: !up CryptOprah_
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00076167 = 21.7076 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up HFSPLUS
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-fucking-understudy/
asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/09/911-after-13-years.html << usalol
assbot: ClubOrlov: 9/11 After 13 years
artifexd: http://crashworks.org/if_programming_languages_were_vehicles/ << the lisp section made me think of asciilifeform
assbot: If programming languages were vehicles
asciilifeform: artifexd: always hated these.
artifexd: Why?
asciilifeform: artifexd: for one thing, 'lisp' written in all-caps is dead giveaway that author is familiar with idea from - encyclopaedia (if that.)
asciilifeform: one printed in 1970 or so.
artifexd: That's like being upset at a Michael Bay movie because the acting sucks.
asciilifeform: no. it's perfectly rational disgust at n-th generation regurgitated crapolade disguised as 'deep wisdom.'
artifexd: I don't think it is claiming "deep wisdom". It is an attempt at extracting a chuckle. Maybe a laugh. That's it.
BingoBoingo: It's a small step from a chuckle to a person choking on their own blood
asciilifeform: 'Physicist Steven Jones, who first pointed to the use of thermite in the destruction of the two towers had to agree to having his university buy out his tenure or his university was faced with losing all federal financing.' << anyone remember this?
BingoBoingo: Not really.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: artifexd: for one thing, 'lisp' written in all-caps is dead giveaway that author is familiar with idea from - encyclopaedia (if that.) << shit i think i may be guilty of that crime
mircea_popescu: but srsly, isn't lisp allcaps since 4ever ?
mircea_popescu: ;;seen jayne
gribble: I have not seen jayne.
mircea_popescu: freenode is getting it pretty thickly.
mircea_popescu: !up fdd_
mircea_popescu: da fuck, .al has no whois ?!
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sor9GzivGbk
assbot: The Money Song - Monty Python's The Flying Circus - YouTube