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BingoBoingo: New RK photo'd headed out the door
BingoBoingo: The dead RK will be packaged for transit to alf's testbench
asciilifeform: btw this is a 4GB rk. and moved in record time, also, <6d from gringostan to BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: for the new rk.
asciilifeform: in other noose, hats off to BingoBoingo's orccraft, <6day from asciilifeform ordering rk to BingoBoingo uncrating !
asciilifeform: mod6: plox to lemme know asap if you observe anyffin out of the ordinary on yer rk.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell mod6 your rk is successfully redisked and running, see instrs. in #p.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the rk case is about 1.5 metre away
mircea_popescu: could a very shitty battery meltdown and fuck the rk then ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: once we actually have vacant rk again, i'ma absolutely institute mechanical life tests for'em.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i think diana_coman's q is re the time it was stood up with new drive in aug. do you recall any peculiarity re rk-c at end of that ?
BingoBoingo: <diana_coman> so at first new drive it required several power cycles but then it seemed fine? << But only with the vacant drive. Not with my RK drive.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform was gettin' ready to grumble re rotten usb drives in the l0gz today. instead nao grumbles re dead rk..
BingoBoingo: residue from sad drive contacts was was removed like on the other RK's
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's the behavior we observed with the sad drives. Have not observed this post sad drives on any other RK.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma order 3 rk's.
BingoBoingo: Is that vacant one because stood up with the vacant RK drive but fought my image.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-08 16:58 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma test new kernel today, then tomorrow will ask BingoBoingo to power down rk-c and put disk in dulap to i can snap new master img, then it will go into service ( and can reimage BingoBoingo also ) .
diana_coman: did this RK died while being unused ? a log search for it shows only something in August last year - new master img deployed http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-08#1840376 ☝︎
BingoBoingo suspects USB controller gone sad, Going to extract sad RK when the fingers are feeling nimbler
asciilifeform: i'd quite like to 'ha, i'ma throw rk, and use $x', but i haven't any lead on a usable $x.
mircea_popescu: well, i'm not sure what your decision tree is like, exactly. but proceeding logically : 1) it can not be the case cpu is sad on rk ; 2) it is not shown that deffect is organic rather than nsatronic ; 3) the selling point of rk is cheapness/disposability. you can afford to throw these away, unlike an adult server board+deckings.
asciilifeform: i picked rk orig. not even because of price, but specifically cuz it contains, on the pcb itself, nuffin (known to be) writeable, all of state is loaded from sd and afterwards usb. so i dun expect to be able to tell much from autopsy of the unit, when i get it here
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's kernel for rk does not support loadable modules
asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/dead-rk/run_1.txt http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/dead-rk/run_2.txt http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/dead-rk/run_3.txt http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/dead-rk/run_4.txt
asciilifeform: ok, let's rephrase, there's no detectable fw on rk.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's no 'fw' on rk.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the idle rk that was to house lobbes et al, has turned up dead.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what was the rk problem anyways ?
asciilifeform looked at erry available rk board on market in last coupla hrs, they are all either of substantially inferior spec, or cost no less than 3x moar per
asciilifeform: it appears that we'll still have to construct a larger rk plant, but they will have to be physically racked in such a way as to be replaceable without taking down whole plant
asciilifeform: mod6: note that there is still not afaik anything like a candidate for 'rk, but better'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo agreed to house lobbes et al on his personal rk, until the swap is made, he will fill in the details when he gets back to his console
asciilifeform: mod6: i'ma ship new rk + a few spares to BingoBoingo ( who appears to have solved his orc customs problems ) , but the find is concerning in re the wisdom of installing 9000 of'em
asciilifeform: mod6: currently much moar pedestrian concern: seems like we have 1st instance of a dead rk.
asciilifeform: ( whether subj item is terraformable rk-style, is yet unknown to asciilifeform )
asciilifeform: would like to , 1st, give the znc people a chance to sit down on rk, if they can be aroused to.
asciilifeform: still waitin' to hear from the znc-on-uy1 people, whether any want a rk acct.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm thinking to switch off the raid auto-walk ( http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-16#1887553 ) currently, and set it going manually during a maintenance window that we'll announce after folx are seated on the rk. ☝︎
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: no moar than 16 rk can be comfortably fit in 1u.
asciilifeform: that being said, i'd quite like a rk-like box with expandable rams. but it aint happening on the current budget.
asciilifeform: upstack, gotta revisit http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-15#1887223 >> there's no economic way to expand ram on an existing rk, it's similar to the proposition of adding cylinders to an existing bmw engine ☝︎
asciilifeform: rk is idea for low disk footprint items , e.g. znc.
BingoBoingo: In other news I am satisfied the vacant rk is very clean. Our airflow sensor has also been blown out, tested and rehung on the front door.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: on contemplation, this is yet another place where rk utterly wins -- it is possible to include a very compact source of backup power, survive fairly long brown/black-outs
asciilifeform: let's see if/what passengers appear in next week or two. after that, i'ma begin preparations for rk.
mircea_popescu: that'll take your rk plant to 6 (extant) + 48 additional ?
mircea_popescu: " this gives 2 1u slots remaining, they can be occupied by colo passengers, will carry rk plants otherwise"
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: a rk + disk is about 100bux ea. << There's also a 4GB RAM model which would push the unit price up to ~150 each
mircea_popescu: c) unlike commodity gear, rk never gave you trouble.
asciilifeform: transport of crate aint exactly a mars mission, when we finally drum up demand and fill up the rk's, next crate can sail in short order.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a rk + disk is about 100bux ea.
asciilifeform: it is also time to speak of the next crate. and the customary four cargo slots. 1 is to contain a replacement for uy1 ( and ideally will run cuntoo . ) 1 will contain a 1u that holds rk's. this gives 2 1u slots remaining, they can be occupied by colo passengers, if these stand up and wish to ride , or pizarro irons, at BingoBoingo's option. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i'd prefer to do this ~after~ the rk is made available to the affected folx.
asciilifeform: i'm still at a loss re why nobody makes rk, or for that matter any arm box, with upgradeable rams
mircea_popescu: this is not even a bad idea, turn iffy situation itno "help drive rk adoption".
mircea_popescu: can a rk actually run all that ?!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i am thinking : let's consider giving all uy1 users an acct on the idle rk , until uy1 is replaced and moved to cold spare.
asciilifeform: i'd much rather folx did those on rk's..
asciilifeform: the only new iron in the cage is the rk's.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877609 << there's even a vacant rk, available to danielpbarron . ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877608 << pogo is a 256MB ram / 2core / 800MHz box, and takes up considerable vertical space if you mount the sata disk ; rk is a 2GB / 4core / 1.8GHz box, and takes up 2cm of vertical ( and there is existing rack of'em ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877602 << there's listed pricing for 'rk', 'rk + fg', you get 1 of the pizarro stash with the latter. ☝︎
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: consider. there's also FG option for rk.
asciilifeform: for photo-heavy / warez etc www, i'd recommend the rk
asciilifeform: amberglint: there's an unsold rk ( http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2295 ) machine at pizarro, waiting for somebody's sweet bl0g
asciilifeform: spyked: if you're interested in arm64ifying cuntoo, i recommend to begin with rk.
asciilifeform: then and only then , c101pa will turn into an item like rk, where you can operate strictly with self-built contents
asciilifeform: ( for n00bz -- racking an actual bolix is afaik a nonstarter -- the remaining units lack not only the requisite 24/7 reliability / component life , but also any means to cleanly wash the whore between customers, the way i do with e.g rk )
phf: i meant the asus, i'm running it without X, but i suspect that pretty much standard way of doing gui on a console is via /dev/fb0. rk eventually will give you similar device if everything else is correct
asciilifeform: i admit that i've never actually plugged a display into rk
phf: ty, i've been using linux in console mode on my rk, so i wanted to write a framebuffer tooling for ada, using your mmap as blueprint (i'm not sure there's much overlap though..)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it might take a little work for other folx, but realize that you can back up your rk just by picking up the disk, lol, with hands, and sticking in yer lappy and dd if=/dev/sdb | gzip > backup
asciilifeform: sumthing like a rk, booted to ram disk, would make a perfectly fine toilet for such a thing imho
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6 pleez let me know when we can swap yours, iirc you're the last rk fella on old disk << go ahead when ever you guys are ready.
asciilifeform: pretty sure that diana_coman is on rk tho
asciilifeform: also iirc diana_coman and hanbot both have mp's-wp on rk , and i dun recall either of'em ever reporting OOM
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if we ever build a rk-like board from the ground up, i'ma give it at least mirror raid. but presently afaik no such thing can be had.
asciilifeform: mod6 pleez let me know when we can swap yours, iirc you're the last rk fella on old disk
asciilifeform: i did say 'let's errybody move to new rk disks asap' , neh
a111: Logged on 2018-11-14 10:54 diana_coman: and done: the updated .vpatch files and starter_v.zip + sigs are all up; I've checked them on my RK; genesis is the same and result is identical to V-2017; the result of 99993 .vpatch is identical to V-2018; the result of keccak_vtools vpatch is to update BOTH docs and code; re docs, I've nuked the user manual as I won't maintain it and it's becoming confusing due to being out of date; I've updated the quick_guide however, mainly for 1st t
diana_coman: and done: the updated .vpatch files and starter_v.zip + sigs are all up; I've checked them on my RK; genesis is the same and result is identical to V-2017; the result of 99993 .vpatch is identical to V-2018; the result of keccak_vtools vpatch is to update BOTH docs and code; re docs, I've nuked the user manual as I won't maintain it and it's becoming confusing due to being out of date; I've updated the quick_guide however, mainly for 1st t ☟︎
phf: asciilifeform: everything i test, i test on Linux gravity 4.4.138-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Jun 26 21:26:35 MDT 2018 aarch64 GNU/Linux, which is a press of your rk pre-cuntoo
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plox to test rk shortly, i gotta go to meat in ~20m
asciilifeform: boot up yer rk, BingoBoingo , and then http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/abcAC/?raw=true and lemme know.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> but i will add, e.g. rk draws (and emits as heat naturally) ~7watt on a bad day. << On this note new heavy metal rockchip drives were still cool to the touch when I visited the rack yesterday
asciilifeform: a 20kg crate can carry enuff battery to power rk and any modems for ~week of mains outage.
asciilifeform: but i will add, e.g. rk draws (and emits as heat naturally) ~7watt on a bad day.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm presently unconvinced that crapple iron with the horsepower of a rk but the footprint of pc, belongs in the rack ( tho will listen to reason if anybody wants to argue the opposite, or for that matter contract to colo one )
asciilifeform: it's slated for inclusion in cuntoo, so at some point will come standard on rk, but that day not yet come
asciilifeform: billymg: you can't 'emerge' gnat on the rk, the only known arm64 gnat is ave1's, and presently gotta be hand-emplaced
asciilifeform: less horse than rk
asciilifeform: ( i was initially testing rk pilot plant to run off sd, discarded on acct of meh speed vs usb3 )
a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 19:10 bvt: should set everything up till the end of the week. i didn't rent a rk; but already tested pressing mp-wp locally.
bvt: should set everything up till the end of the week. i didn't rent a rk; but already tested pressing mp-wp locally. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 03:02 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862295 << bootstrapping problem, he has to get vtools compiled to press mp-wp to install it on the rk he already bought.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma switch to issuing cuntoo for new pilot rk folx as soon as trinque is finished birthing it
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862295 << bootstrapping problem, he has to get vtools compiled to press mp-wp to install it on the rk he already bought. ☝︎☟︎
mod6: <+asciilifeform> BingoBoingo, mod6 : i'm thinking , i prolly oughta roll the mp-wp prereqs into the standard rk image, in the short term << sounds alright to me, alf
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862311 << btw, i explicitly disrecomment updating rk gentoo from heathen-upstream. it will lead only to tears. ☝︎