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mircea_popescu: billymg, what's the mp-wp story, did i miss some updates ?
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-05#1949577 << I'm sold on 'articles', tho it dun help the cause any that the mp-wp database uses the 'posts' terminology everywhere (posts table, post_id, post_content, etc.)
hanbot: lol, it occurs to me...should mp-wp backend change to reflect post --> article?
feedbot: http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/11/mp-wp-botkvvpatch/ << Krankendenken -- mp-wp-bot.kv.vpatch
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: can I get the random-post-on-landing-page trick that trilema uses? I'm weary of just hacking it into mp-wp atm.
mircea_popescu: i'm all for mp-wp rss style only, tbh.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-02#1949277 <-- guids are currently arbitrary strings tho. mp-wp puts the link in ?p=postid style there iirc.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-02#1949269 <-- hm, I'd keep that distinct from the bot spec (which'd spec bot inputs/outputs and behaviour), but it does bring to light the question of whether feedbot should accept non-mp-wp-style feeds. on one hand I might want to subscribe to heathen feeds on the internets. on the other, the rift is growing anyway (e.g. feedbot doesn't do https), so it's pro
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-11-01 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-31#1008349 <-- ftr, I also stumbled upon this: http://thetarpit.org/2019/a-guide-to-systematically-exploring-the-entrails-of-mp-wp-illustrated-using-some-weird-found-in-the-post-editor . wrapping the input field content in htmlentities did the trick for me, but otherwise I thought this is something particular to my environment
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-01#1949218 <-- oh I see. mircea_popescu, this explains the diff between behaviours then. I'm running latest mp-wp press.
spyked: nyways, this sort of thing can be handled on the operator end, e.g. I can temporarily disable feeds on demand and now we know the sort of thing that alters mp-wp rss feeds
mircea_popescu: incidentally : i'm pretty suspicious of something after-i-released it, because ~my~ mp-wp doesn't do the weird thing re chars/encodings spyked & all been comp;laining about.
diana_coman: so it would seem that jfw has actually found a bug with those html chars, except it wasn't in the original mp-wp but in billymg's trimming patches so that should get fixed now.
mircea_popescu: automattic (the alt-world mp-wp maintainer / saboteur group)
diana_coman: because yes, I wanted that but never made the time to dig in the mp-wp
diana_coman: there seemed to be a bit more to it from jfw's notes http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2019/misadventures-in-mp-wp-setup-the-sad-work-in-progress-post/?b=omfg&e=wysiwyg%20editor#select
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-31 21:35:20 lobbes: and in mp-wp bot updates: I've got the thing pretty much complete at this time. Trackbacks-from-IRC still aren't sending 100% of the time, so I need to fix this first. After that I will be doing final code cleanup, testing, and then vpatch. Still truckin' along
lobbes: and in mp-wp bot updates: I've got the thing pretty much complete at this time. Trackbacks-from-IRC still aren't sending 100% of the time, so I need to fix this first. After that I will be doing final code cleanup, testing, and then vpatch. Still truckin' along
lobbes: example from my own blog; example from Trilema
lobbes: now, just need to do the trackbacks piece and then patch it. Looking on track for deadline
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 20:49:54 lobbes: mp_en_viaje: re: mp-wp bot's spitting of the files, do you want some automated cleanup of said directory at every Nth file, or fine to just leave them be? Also, are you fine if they are static php files or is html (with teh embedded php) an absolute must?
lobbes: mp_en_viaje: in mp-wp bot updates: I've got the search results piece (with the auto-delete-old-results functionality) complete.
mp_en_viaje: as it turns out, mp-wp has a ... well, i dunno, i hesitate to call it a bug. it has the following issue : if the publishing of an article (which is itself handled as a http post) gets interrupted for whatever reason (such as the connection dying, the closing packet being waylaid, anything), the article will still be publioshed, partially, ie what made it there ; however because various settings (notably, whether comments etc) ar
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/2019/decoupling-mp-wp-post-editing-from-the-www-interface << The Tar Pit -- Decoupling MP-WP post editing from the WWW interface
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1948056 << he's not adding it, you add it, gotta subscribe to the feed. dunno about your own setup but on mp-wp it's something like !1subscribe http://thewhet.net/comments/feed/ or such.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 11:18:46 asciilifeform: fwiw a mp-wp extension that lets folx 'download these-here patches' imho may be useful. but really ought not to be ~in vtron~ .
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: iirc the point version your wp split from automattic shit-wp is very close to where mp-wp split from shit-wp.
asciilifeform: fwiw a mp-wp extension that lets folx 'download these-here patches' imho may be useful. but really ought not to be ~in vtron~ .
spyked: when I first looked into it, I found it a little odd myself, since it expects a particular URL structure, e.g. mp-wp/v/{patches,seals}. but then I got used to it and even adjusted my v mirror to match. afaik v.pl is the only vtron that comes with this functionality
BingoBoingo: mp-wp kills em already, and Qntra-wp code hasn't much changed since the cazalla days
BingoBoingo: billymg: Just going to run an mp-wp site?
BingoBoingo: billymg: Sure thing. Just please see http://bingology.net/2019/10/16/reasonable-lamp-setup-for-mp-wp-on-centos-6-and-anyserver-terms-of-use/
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/2019/the-tar-pit-mp-wp-theme << The Tar Pit -- The Tar Pit MP-WP theme
BingoBoingo: press of current mp-wp for comparison to the one I produce and commit to offering it for download on the main site for your venture in at from at least one page describing the shared hosting offering.
BingoBoingo: hanbot_abroad: Let me know if your use of the LAMP discovers any weird, hard corners, etc. .htaccess for classic mp-wp rules works. No more weird apache 2.4 require statements. Good old allow, deny works
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-19 00:37:48 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946439 << I see no issues with this as long as the bot will have permissions to write files to the 'mp-wp root directory'. I'm not very familiar with the old UY1 mp-wp setup and permissions setup so I couldn't say for sure (I used the rockchip for my bloggin' with piz)
lobbes: in a nutshell, the primary domains of the bot are a) interfacing with IRC b) connecting to a running mp-wp mysql database c) writing (and deleting) files in a sub-directory of the mp-wp install directory
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946439 << I see no issues with this as long as the bot will have permissions to write files to the 'mp-wp root directory'. I'm not very familiar with the old UY1 mp-wp setup and permissions setup so I couldn't say for sure (I used the rockchip for my bloggin' with piz)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-17 01:44:25 mp_en_viaje: c) you're thinking too cleanly, which is adequate for republican work but inadequate to interfacing work (a point somewhat reminescent of this php discussion). it's the empire of shit for a reason, let it have it.
BingoBoingo: http://bingology.net/2019/10/16/reasonable-lamp-setup-for-mp-wp-on-centos-6-and-anyserver-terms-of-use/ Leaves out the directory structure figuring someone may want to use the instructions for their own use rather than necessarily bringing up a shared machine.
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/2019/mp-wp-v-patches-markdown-plugin-and-the-tar-pit-lbs-post-importer << The Tar Pit -- MP-WP V patches: Markdown plugin and The Tar Pit LBS post importer
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946089 << on initial testing, the re-application of said vpatch seems to have done the trick
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje lobbes: The comment thing is going to take some digging. Will probably end up pressing mp-wp again.
lobbes: but I think I forgot to re-apply the later hanbot patch for html in comments. Possib. BingoBoingo also forgot.
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946083 << hmm, when I did my recent blog resurrection I used hanbot's mp-wp genesis
mp_en_viaje: in continuing lulz : http://bingology.net/2019/10/16/reasonable-lamp-setup-for-mp-wp-on-centos-6-and-anyserver-terms-of-use/#comment-1385 went through as such, but originally read you break it -- you buy it, which led to stale page.
mp_en_viaje: looks quite like a bug, is it in mp-wp ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 20:49:54 lobbes: mp_en_viaje: re: mp-wp bot's spitting of the files, do you want some automated cleanup of said directory at every Nth file, or fine to just leave them be? Also, are you fine if they are static php files or is html (with teh embedded php) an absolute must?
mp_en_viaje: c) you're thinking too cleanly, which is adequate for republican work but inadequate to interfacing work (a point somewhat reminescent of this php discussion). it's the empire of shit for a reason, let it have it.
lobbes: mp_en_viaje: re: mp-wp bot's spitting of the files, do you want some automated cleanup of said directory at every Nth file, or fine to just leave them be? Also, are you fine if they are static php files or is html (with teh embedded php) an absolute must?
feedbot: http://bingology.net/2019/10/16/reasonable-lamp-setup-for-mp-wp-on-centos-6-and-anyserver-terms-of-use/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Reasonable LAMP Setup For MP-WP On CentOS 6 (And 'anyserver' terms of use)
BingoBoingo: http://bingology.net/2019/10/16/reasonable-lamp-setup-for-mp-wp-on-centos-6-and-anyserver-terms-of-use/ << bvt hanbot nicoleci peterl Please note that anyserver is not the place to put IRC bouncers
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/2019/a-guide-to-systematically-exploring-the-entrails-of-mp-wp-illustrated-using-some-weird-found-in-the-post-editor << The Tar Pit -- A guide to systematically exploring the entrails of MP-WP, illustrated using some weird found in the post editor
BingoBoingo: Well, the LAMP thing has three moving parts that gotta talk to each other. mp-wp seems happier on apache 2.2 than the 2.4 UY1 had. But, that means cleaning up all sorts of version to version nitpicky breakages.
BingoBoingo: The apache version on anyserver from the 2.2 line which means mp-wp Deny, Allow statements in .htaccess will work as opposed to needing 'Require' statements as per UY1's apache 2.4
spyked: mp_en_viaje, lobbes: re. digging into mp-wp coad, it happens I have an article in the works on exactly that (emerging from the editor weird). /me will try to get it done tomorrow
mp_en_viaje: aaand in other MAJOR http://trilema.com/2018/how-things-have-changed/ developments, http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/10/mp-wp-bot-workplan-now-until-november-3rd/#comment-133 stands like an absolute milestone. there's also a cultural aspect to contend with now!
feedbot: http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/10/mp-wp-bot-workplan-now-until-november-3rd/ << Krankendenken -- mp-wp bot workplan: Now until November 3rd.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 06:32:26 mp_en_viaje: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/0a5-work-plan-vi.html << if you care for w43 suggestions, the one most painfully outstanding mp-wp item is the multi-image uploader.
billymg: BingoBoingo: i took a snapshot of my blog db when piz briefly came back after the unexpected outage, and i have local copies of my patches (i see diana_coman mirrored the mp-wp patches, but i also have the mp-wp-tests patches)
lobbes: turns out, btw, that the whole "detect permalinks structure" thing wasn't even needed... the "guid" field does not represent, as I erroneously thought prior, the absolute path to the post. mp-wp just puts the absolute path in there "by default" as the guid. Saved a lot of time by realizing that
lobbes: in other news, I have knocked out all items in week 4 mp-wp work plan. Next on list is: the search blog portion, and the sending pingbacks from irc portion
lobbes: On that note, I'm off to sew mp-wp bot before we all die of old age
mp_en_viaje: but you know, first, gotta see lobbes mp-wp combo, THEN
lobbes: mp-wp bot couldn't be a thing without it, for example
lobbes: in that case I will deploy detect_disconnect tonight methinks. The mp-wp bot will probably end up forking from this point in the logotron tree as well
lobbes: since my main blog is stuck in the latech mire atm, I will give my unofficial 'mp-wp-bot week 5 workplan' in the logs: I have virtually all of week 4's work complete, save for the piping in of needed values from the mp-wp-config bits, which I may be able to complete tonight.
ossabot: Logged on 2018-10-31 19:16:55 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-31#1867924 << ikr, multi-upload has been on the wishlist for mp-wp ever since... hey hanbot how long's it been now ?
mp_en_viaje: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/0a5-work-plan-vi.html << if you care for w43 suggestions, the one most painfully outstanding mp-wp item is the multi-image uploader.
mp_en_viaje: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/mp-wp-bot-work-plan-week-4/#comment-125 << this is not even altogether a meritless issue, "how and when to rationally merge trees"
feedbot: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/mp-wp-bot-work-plan-week-4/ << lobbesblog -- mp-wp bot work plan: week 4
spyked: in other news, I'm in the process of standing up a mp-wp for thetarpit and migrating posts from the current platform there. will post a genesis for the current blog later today and then work out a plan for migration
billymg: mircea_popescu: http://billymg.com/2019/09/additional-tests-for-mp-wp-now-according-to-spec/comment-page-1/#comment-50
mircea_popescu: moreover, if that's all you want, you could just add per-para anchors with some tiny tweaking of the mp-wp
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-26 00:13:24 lobbes: re: two or more mp-wp loggers agreeing with each other; I'm not sure they would ever need to agree with each other in terms of links... IF not indexing. In other words, each instance of a mp-wp logger and its output becomes indistinguishable from any other blog post on said blog. (in other words, if you don't care to sync, or don't care if "missing" lines, then not an issue)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 22:34:53 billymg: just found it now and read it over, did not know mp-wp trackbacks were broken in this way
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938150 << nevertheless, things like this are harder to implement once the concept of dates are thrown out the window
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-26 00:54:16 mircea_popescu: whereas on trilema you have the whole power of the mp-wp selectylanguage at your disposals, you don't need the line numbers because you can just select w/e actually interests you
lobbes: Now, to revisit upstack, if you are intending to *sync* one mp-wp logger with another mp-wp logger, then I guess you'd run into the same issue as the trad. loggers. I.e. In order to sync you *would* need to index.
lobbes: re: two or more mp-wp loggers agreeing with each other; I'm not sure they would ever need to agree with each other in terms of links... IF not indexing. In other words, each instance of a mp-wp logger and its output becomes indistinguishable from any other blog post on said blog. (in other words, if you don't care to sync, or don't care if "missing" lines, then not an issue)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 21:41:56 mircea_popescu: consider both the positive (no convergence language'd ever have emerged out of "oh, phf did excellent job with logger") and the negative (without "we have these loggers, how do we sync them" nobody'd have ever understood why mp-wp is a better display mechanism than "this shit i just brewed").
billymg: just found it now and read it over, did not know mp-wp trackbacks were broken in this way
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 21:41:56 mircea_popescu: consider both the positive (no convergence language'd ever have emerged out of "oh, phf did excellent job with logger") and the negative (without "we have these loggers, how do we sync them" nobody'd have ever understood why mp-wp is a better display mechanism than "this shit i just brewed").
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 21:38:22 mircea_popescu: whereas on trilema you have the whole power of the mp-wp selectylanguage at your disposals, you don't need the line numbers because you can just select w/e actually interests you
mircea_popescu: consider both the positive (no convergence language'd ever have emerged out of "oh, phf did excellent job with logger") and the negative (without "we have these loggers, how do we sync them" nobody'd have ever understood why mp-wp is a better display mechanism than "this shit i just brewed").
mircea_popescu: whereas on trilema you have the whole power of the mp-wp selectylanguage at your disposals, you don't need the line numbers because you can just select w/e actually interests you
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 20:12:27 lobbes: hmm this makes me rethink my current design re: mp-wp bot as well. As it stands, there is no way to "re-sync" since it just spits the lines into a blog post.
lobbes: yeah, I'll guess I'll let the man speak to if he wants sync capabilities in the mp-wp-tronic branch
lobbes: hmm this makes me rethink my current design re: mp-wp bot as well. As it stands, there is no way to "re-sync" since it just spits the lines into a blog post.
billymg: i did some reading on pingbacks vs trackbacks and it looks like we could remove trackbacks without anyone noticing (mp-wp supports pingbacks and that seems to be what everyone is using)
billymg: http://billymg.com/2019/09/additional-tests-for-mp-wp-now-according-to-spec/comment-page-1/#comment-49 << mircea_popescu: i now see what you mean about the pingbacks supporting the extra selection parameters but i'm still not sure what is meant by "trashing the whole trilema trackback pile as extant, and having them re-done in the new manner"
feedbot: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/mp-wp-bot-work-plan-week-3/ << lobbesblog -- mp-wp bot work plan: week 3
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-22 16:37:18 lobbes: With that out of the way it has been going smoothly, and I'm mainly making up for lost time now. It would seem I'm on track to hit my deadline though. I will probably have some demo output for mircea_popescu to look at by the end of the day
lobbes: diana_coman: it was productive, at least. Learned things, sharpened skills. Know the logotron code more intimately as well as the mp-wp mysql "guts"
lobbes: asciilifeform: well, mircea_popescu's spec all of the lines are to appear on mp-wp articles (hence, the database piece is the backend for mp-wp, which is mysql)
lobbes: With that out of the way it has been going smoothly, and I'm mainly making up for lost time now. It would seem I'm on track to hit my deadline though. I will probably have some demo output for mircea_popescu to look at by the end of the day
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-21 23:38:50 lobbes: has been glued to console most of the day; almost has the first chunk of mp-wp-bot functioning (inserting log lines to blog post piece)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-21 23:38:50 lobbes: has been glued to console most of the day; almost has the first chunk of mp-wp-bot functioning (inserting log lines to blog post piece)
lobbes has been glued to console most of the day; almost has the first chunk of mp-wp-bot functioning (inserting log lines to blog post piece)
lobbes coincidentally saw that key a few hours ago while grabbing your main key for a mp-wp install for testing