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feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/10/qntra-s-qntr-september-2019-report/ << Qntra -- Qntra (S.QNTR) September 2019 Report
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939329 & http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939330 - lol, the easy part! though for proper corridors I suspect I'll need to build the building too.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 18:54:01 mp_en_viaje: o look at that, diana_coman needs a princess dresstrain now with all them pages!
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 18:56:47 BingoBoingo: Also corridors for note running and other forms of paging
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939429 - you told it to me in pm once; I don't recall reading it somewhere else.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 20:05:21 mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, not much more than, my grandmother was school mistress, participated in 1950s ro campaign to likbez ("liquidate analphabetism"), various dudes begged to plox, can't just work the school fields in lieu of sit in class ? will fix fence ? door ? anything ?
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, oh, really ?
mp_en_viaje: can ye fish it out lol
mp_en_viaje: an' holy shit i slept till noon. the slaves dun fled the coop, i'm left with plushy toys an' whips behind. WUT DO!!!
diana_coman: either plush the whips or whip the plushes by the sounds of it; lemme fish that out though iirc it was ~what you said to BingoBoingo yest, not much more to it
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: found it; for bonus points it's in Romanian too, ofc
mp_en_viaje: keks mkay.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: http://ossasepia.com/2019/10/01/din-discutii-cu-bataie/
mp_en_viaje: why ty!
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: enjoy!
diana_coman: lol, poor asciilifeform will have to re-sync snsabot
mp_en_viaje: keks i was just thinking
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/10/01/din-discutii-cu-bataie/ << Ossa Sepia -- Din discutii cu bataie
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/and-on-to-vienna/ << Trilema -- And on to Vienna...
BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> an' holy shit i slept till noon. the slaves dun fled the coop, i'm left with plushy toys an' whips behind. WUT DO!!! << Probably the move is give the plushes the whips and arrange them into a party.
asciilifeform synced , by hand, log
asciilifeform aboutta reset bot, to eat new config, expect 45s of dead time
asciilifeform: there we go.
asciilifeform: the botlog barf, for enlightenment of others.
asciilifeform abolishing the use of the dnsistic rotator in his bot. recommends to others to do same, and actually use the bot's rotator w/ known-good fleanode noads (granted there aint many)
asciilifeform: currently set it to the 1 where lived for 40+ days. would say which, but would rather not have erryone hang from same 1
asciilifeform brb:teatime
diana_coman: wouldn't it be great if we had already own irc node, huh
asciilifeform: net.
asciilifeform: (just 1 noad aint gonna do anyffin useful in re seaworthiness, need at least 2)
diana_coman: that's like saying neah, still better swimming the ocean naked than having a boat, what's a boat gonna do, need at least 2!!1
asciilifeform: diana_coman: irc net w/ 1 noad is moar like half a boat imho.
asciilifeform: for same reason as when there was only 1 logger.
asciilifeform: but tbf i dun see why making 2nd,3rd, irc noad, would be any harder than when we did 2nd, 3rd... logger.
diana_coman: ok, /me promises to let asciilifeform enjoy the salty water and not invite him to half-a-boat; makes some sense since admiral of half a boat is a bit silly, true.
diana_coman: aha, precisely; but dunno why you got at first stuck on the number, lol.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: well i did invite folx to my half boat (august logger) so let's similarly.
asciilifeform admits that when thinks 'half boat', thinks of herodotus's 'scaphism' punishment
diana_coman: asciilifeform: all right!
asciilifeform: diana_coman: wasn't intended as an objection to the idea. simply that in asciilifeform's head, the main open q re irc noades is , how well does the 'net split' sync mechanism in existing servers, worx
asciilifeform: (to experiment with this, need at least pair.)
diana_coman: we shall find out; when we have nodes; still starts with...1 node.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: anyone has the 1 yet ? or still in the worx
diana_coman: lolz; not yet.
asciilifeform: aite
asciilifeform: grr diana_coman my comment was eaten
asciilifeform: ( i think because stray > )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: plox to nuke, i'ma repost
asciilifeform still thinks it aint right that can't use e.g. '<<' in a wp comment .
diana_coman: asciilifeform: nuked as requested; and answrt.
BingoBoingo: Of mebbe historical interest to show the damaging effects of socialism https://i.redd.it/hdhrl6bfgyp31.jpg << Fireman's plaza 1934. Top left in the background is Palacio Salvo. To the right, Cerro and its fortification.
asciilifeform: ty diana_coman
mp_en_viaje: so.many.pictures.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: re that 12mn schloss -- is that supposed to be a 'bargain' price ? i have nfi what these usually cost
mp_en_viaje: i expect about fair, slightly overdone
asciilifeform: ( and, is it the kind mp_en_viaje described in old thread, where you gotta drill 3 metres of stone to put in toilet ? or already plumbed )
mp_en_viaje: https://www.sothebysrealty.com/eng/sales/detail/180-l-83027-ghgew9/fairytale-castle-tradition-meets-modernity-other-lower-austria-la-4101 << specific item
mp_en_viaje: 43 Bedrooms 45 Full Bathrooms 5.8349 Acre(s)
asciilifeform: nifty.
mp_en_viaje: very likely will sell it in bitcoin if anyone cares enough to lean on thwem
mp_en_viaje: now if you do the math, it comes to about same per bedroom-bathroom as the uruguay horrorshow
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: what's austria like in re ameritardation ? ( iirc not yet in nato; but in practice, does it resist the usual idjicy ? )
mp_en_viaje: nope
mp_en_viaje: i mean... there's pic of me smoking indoors. is that enoguh answer ?
asciilifeform: 2km from asciilifeform's chair there's an indoor smokery. so that dun 100% answer. but otoh there's gotta be a reason why mp_en_viaje not already bought coupla austrian schlossen
mp_en_viaje: da fuck do i want them for ?
mp_en_viaje: they're not particular good deals, they're simply fair "waterlevel" so to speak. useful as a comparison point if one's confused.
asciilifeform: nfi. but apparently did bother to window shop, neh
asciilifeform: a.
mp_en_viaje: was just continuing the uy real estate discussion
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/10/trend-platforms-losing-free-labor-amid-political-pronoun-wars/ << Qntra -- Trend: "Platforms" Losing Free Labor Amid Political Pronoun Wars
mp_en_viaje: happen to pass by, wasnt seeking it out
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: iirc there were places with even cheaper schloss than ro, austria, etc. e.g. india. (but w/ the obv. problems)
BingoBoingo: I suspect something like the schloss takes ~1 girl/year a week to clean (give or take factor of 2 maybe 3 margin of error).
mp_en_viaje: nfi how you reason.
mp_en_viaje: if india has schloss then washington has engineering experts, whynot.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, well, 45 bathrooms.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: well if a schloss aint a schloss unless built by at least a kurfurst -- then of course 0 in india. or cr.
mp_en_viaje: right.
mp_en_viaje: a) built at least by a kurfurst and b) within miles of A-1.
mp_en_viaje: i ain't talking about bullshit rural nonsense, i want to get there at 120mph
mp_en_viaje: if not possible, then a) not schloss and b) 50% discount indisputably
asciilifeform pictures mp_en_viaje sizing up a flakturm for eurobase
asciilifeform: they've convenient flat tops, too, could prolly get to it at 300mph in chopper..
asciilifeform: returning to BingoBoingo's q tho, just how many hands does it take to fully crew a 40room thing ?
mp_en_viaje: afaik only a dozen or so of those were ever built
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, from experience, an item like depicted would take about a baker's dozen to dozen-an-half slavegirls dedicated to the premises.
asciilifeform would expect it'd need at least dozen pairs of hands to keep from looking like tutankhamon's dusty tomb. but not expert
asciilifeform: a.
mp_en_viaje: if you're entertaining though, you'll need cooks, scullery maids, fluffers, cocksuckers, bedwarmers an' everything else.
asciilifeform: aha. i was thinking of even skeleton crew.
mp_en_viaje: which is part of the problem -- such an item is a terrible design for a working lordly manor, because very ineptly tiered to an overtly equalitarian flatworld.
asciilifeform: prolly needs dozen+ just to maintain as a passable museum
mp_en_viaje: you'd want dungeons, you'd want communal quarters for the plebs, you'd want all sorts of things.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it's roughly same problem as crewing a surplus sovok submarine
asciilifeform: (where'll you get the deck hands?)
mp_en_viaje: and as you can see from the shots, all the furniture can simply be thrown out, who the fuck wants a tub looks like an overlarge vase.
mp_en_viaje: not at all, submarine's tight and unpleasant because NECESSARILY flat.
asciilifeform: not that flat (assuming comment is re org chart) , there's traditionally no fewer than 3 level
asciilifeform: ( in ww1 germany -- even 4 ! )
mp_en_viaje: imo ideal design is more like 7 floors, going -3 dungeon -2 storage -1 garage 0 receiving 1 master's bedrooms 2 harem 3 servants 4 pools and amenties / terrace
asciilifeform: aa, physical levels.
mp_en_viaje: re submariens, no, i meant flat as in social hierarchy. commander's quarters aren't 100x the surface of midshipman.
mp_en_viaje: these schloss things are more like overgrown bed&breakfast in practice, and i don't intend to run a motel.
asciilifeform: e.g. sovok 'type 941' is almost what you'd want (iirc 7 decks) size-wise. but prolly bad deal for same reason as the austrian thing.
BingoBoingo: I suspect the reinforced concrete mid-rise tower would make decent bones for a near-ideal design. I've been watching one of these go up in the backyard. It's just a shame the floors always get divided in such equalitarian manners.
mp_en_viaje: to be fair my design is so early i don't even have anything definite worth the mention. so perhaps.
BingoBoingo: The actual ferrocement structural components aside from the elevator shaft don't seem to be particularly limiting with respect to the floor layouts.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, re typhoons : they're a 23x12meter oval 170ish meters long. this is fucking tiny wtf.
mp_en_viaje: and a third of it has to be a nuclear reactor. i don't fucking want to have to operate a (marine!) nuclear reactor.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: came with 4 diesels , and i dun suppose the reactor gets sold at any rate. but if mp_en_viaje says 'too small', then too small, who am i to say.
mp_en_viaje: your total usable floor space is not going to be over 500 sqm or so.
asciilifeform: well asciilifeform never 1ce lived in anyffing remotely approaching 500 sqm, so possibly aint one to talk.
mp_en_viaje: and meh diesels, if you don't nuclear why submarine, buy a boat.
mp_en_viaje: my cr place is about there. it's not THAT big.
asciilifeform aint by any rights qualified to design a schloss, cuz 'never inverted 10k x 10k matrix'
BingoBoingo: A bit more than an hour remains before te first Uruguayan presidential debate in 25 years.
feedbot: http://bingology.net/2019/10/01/overview-of-local-politics-as-the-election-approaches-pre-debate-edition/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Overview Of Local Politics As The Election Approaches Pre-Debate Edition
BingoBoingo: ^ Obligatory unbounded symbol warning for asciilifeform
mp_en_viaje: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/mp-wp-bot-work-plan-week-4/#comment-125 << this is not even altogether a meritless issue, "how and when to rationally merge trees"