tmsr - Search: interlisp

a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 02:18 gabriel_laddel: In my mind, lispm, or interlisp editor + fixed clim comes first. hence, have been following that route

gabriel_laddel: In my mind, lispm, or interlisp editor + fixed clim comes first. hence, have been following that route ☟︎

phf: barpub: nah, real structure editor doesn't. but then i've no idea what asciilifeform is talking about. there's not really any real structure editors in production. i know of a dead one, and it's an interlisp programming environment

asciilifeform: (i have not succeeded in locating a working example of xerox-interlisp lm, for sale at any price by anyone)

phf: there's a lineage of lisp, which is significantly mutually compatible. LISP, maclisp, interlisp, zetalisp. common lisp is a standardization attempt on top of those. for example if you take eliza code (written for LISP 1.5) you can make it run on common lisp without any transformations (need to provide some missing forms though)

phf: another take on this might be common lisp vs scheme. cl was standardized after the fact, existed and evolved on lisp machines. i'm looking at mit's cadr at the moment, and at a certain point you have maclisp, interlisp, zetalisp and "common lisp" all coexisting on the same machine, 10 years before the standard was written. scheme on the other hand was esparantoed for a purpose. the result is that as you move closer to speaking common

asciilifeform: phf: interlisp had a graphical 'structure editor', i have never used it, and now i wonder if the {} thing was slightly less braindamaged given the context of having it.

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-03#1551486 << was it interlisp or maclisp that let you close multiple parenthesis with a single final one, like (do ((foo 1) (bar 2)) (blah (foo) == (do ((foo 1) (bar 2)) (blah (foo))) ☝︎

sbp: asciilifeform: how did you find SEdit? I have only spoken to one friend who used the Interlisp-D machine, and I don't think he said anything about SEdit

sbp: also, I don't know if you remember, but the Interlisp-D machine had a program called SEdit

asciilifeform: but if you like structure editors, interlisp (destroyed by commonlisp, incidentally, and by symbolics, as described in the pitman link from mircea_popescu ) is your sunken atlantis !

asciilifeform: incidentally i cannot tell, from the screenshots, whether that thing has a structure editor, like interlisp, or merely clutters the display

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> that was where she lifted the interesting part. << lol nicely put, what meaning is contemplated ? "she [metaphorical person] lifted her skirt, rather than shoes and sleeves and whatnot random insanities" "she [interlisp author] stole the good bits for once, rather than dubious ux or w/e"

phf: ben_vulpes: no, this https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/eieio/ is emacs's whacky clos. i think advice is a separate lineage, by way of interlisp. there's defadvice in lispworks for example

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/smbxman.jpg << all but the blue (interlisp, xerox) and orange ('chinanual', for the original mit lisp mach)

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there were other interesting lisps of the period - xerox's 'interlisp' (and its environment) being perhaps the most noteworthy

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