tmsr - Log 2018-05-31

asciilifeform: meanwhile, in odd spams, https://rndmthts.com

mod6: evenin'

esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-30#1819748 << yes, thanks ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-05-30 12:10 diana_coman: esthlos, "is expected to read and understood before use" -> to read and understand the code?

mod6: asciilifeform regrets not having bought the hdd's, betcha they were fulla lul << lol, srsly.

asciilifeform: know what asciilifeform won't miss at all when we dump fleanode ? how about the join/part vermin.

mod6: same

mircea_popescu apologizes.

mircea_popescu: tis a young domme working to shed it.

esthlos: hey asciilifeform : I'm trying out ratpoison, and lovin it. Mind sharing your workflow/ratpoisonrc?

asciilifeform: esthlos: not only will share, but it'll come standard on those c101pa boxen.

esthlos: ooooh

esthlos: might as well ask: do you have a copy of naggum's emacs? ☟︎

asciilifeform: esthlos: re: .ratpoisonrc : it is different on diff boxen, because screen res. here's http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LmIrz/?raw=true the one from the box i happen to be sitting at just now.

asciilifeform: esthlos: i do not have a copy of naggum's anything, aside from a few usenet posts

esthlos: ah, sad

asciilifeform: this is not to say that nobody does.

esthlos: thanks for the rc

asciilifeform: but i haven't any notion who.

asciilifeform: esthlos: np

asciilifeform: it isn't very useful, imho, my rc, this is intensely individual thing

asciilifeform: (useful to others, i mean. to me -- very useful)

asciilifeform: it is very particular to my display layout here in this particular room, for instance.

asciilifeform: on lappies you'll want a key that shows battery status, for example.

esthlos: based on "bind e exec emacs": you don't run as a server?

asciilifeform: nope

asciilifeform: what's to be gained from it ?

asciilifeform: so that 1 emacs can wedge and hang ALL of them ? nothx

esthlos: mostly protects me from stupidly closing last emacs frame

asciilifeform: why would this be a problem ?

esthlos: well, then I have to spin up my buffers again

asciilifeform: if this is serious problem for you, write a save-restore elisp for yer buffers

esthlos: ...never thought of that

asciilifeform: my emacs does not have this problem. prolly on account of the MB or so of multigenerational elisp in'ere

asciilifeform bbl,meat

mircea_popescu: if only they had had the sense to v-tree it.

asciilifeform: i suspect that most of what's in mine, would be of very little help to folx who hadn't spent past 20y getting musclememoried to it

asciilifeform: maybe 10% or so, worth publishing/vtreeing

asciilifeform: ( supposing we even want to perpetuate emacsism... )

asciilifeform: good chunk of it, has obvious, screaming dysfunctions that i never found satisfactory cures for, and learned to live with.

mircea_popescu: this conversation is starting to veer most dildoesque.

asciilifeform: really not a work of high art that asciilifeform is particularly proud of.

asciilifeform: lol

asciilifeform: i was thinking moar along the lines of prosthetic limbs

asciilifeform: but dildo, wainot.

mircea_popescu: if not prosthetic limb, what is a dildo.

asciilifeform: possibly it is actually better to teach small children to smoke, than to teach new people emacs.

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-30#1819960 <-- dunno why I was convinced that they go up to 4GB. would be quite disappointing otherwise, yes. /me is waiting for official release. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-05-30 21:18 asciilifeform: spyked: 1G of ram. weak.

ave1: spyked, one module has a 4GB eMMC flash

spyked: hm. yes, that might have been what got me confused

spyked: dun dun dun

ave1: the bot is using a list of OTPs?

spyked: ave1, yep. the process is not refined yet (getting the encrypted OTPs from deedbot is a tad irksome, gotta sift through cl-irc messages), but getting there.

ave1: very cool

spyked: hm. this extra +v wasn't supposed to occur. brb.

spyked: apologies again for the noise. should be alright now.

asciilifeform: BreakingRae -> unbrokenRae -> UnbreakableRae -> unbrokenRae << lol

mod6: mornin

asciilifeform: ohai mod6

BingoBoingo: Buenos dias

asciilifeform: hola BingoBoingo

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: didja find a usable flat ?

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Found a strong candidate

asciilifeform: neato

asciilifeform: haggling over price nao ?

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Herding Latinos to determine what exactly needs to be done to who

asciilifeform: aa

mod6: ah, cool

asciilifeform: in other potential finds, https://irclog.whitequark.org/linux-rockchip/2018-05-03 << d00d claims to have clean uboot for c101pa . no complete srcball posted tho, as far as i was able to find, yet

asciilifeform: or possibly i misread and it was the easier c201.

asciilifeform: but theoretically should port, same chipset.

mircea_popescu: i'll be visiting a radio-dark zone today, so cya all tomorrow!

BingoBoingo: Enjoy

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: give my regards to the ocelots

asciilifeform: in other noose, unmodified pizarro pilotplant rootfs ( as published in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2295 and to rc customers ) boots ( with, for the time being , heathen kernel ) on cp101pa . ☟︎

asciilifeform: phf ^

asciilifeform: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/blog/adios-o-la-bifurcacion.html << in other noose.

asciilifeform: !!up timella

deedbot: timella voiced for 30 minutes.

lobbes: shinohai embarking on man-alone adventures eh?

asciilifeform: lobbes: imho better like this ( or for that matter, like, e.g., cazalla , in the past ) than to silently vanish ☟︎

asciilifeform: until/unless d00d is found to be consorting with enemy or whatever misdeed -- i recommend to see his retirement as a honourable discharge.

trinque: it'd be pointlessly wasteful to say falling out of lordship is the end of all productive life.

mod6: agree

mod6: One does not require lordship to mearly participate.

trinque: esthlos here just cranked out a mighty fine vtron without a fancy hat

ben_vulpes: !!deed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2TGf0/?raw=true

deedbot: accepted: 1

lobbes: asciilifeform: Ftr, my original !!unrate of shinohai was reflective of the fact that I could not at the time discern if he was coming/going/passive-aggressively-whatevering. When I return to my key I'll rate the guy positively as this satisfies my earlier stated criteria of "there are ways to gracefully exit while preserving reputation"

lobbes: And indeed, as per that trilema, titles (i.e. lordship) are merely pointers for convenience

deedbot: http://deedbot.org/bundle-525331.txt

diana_coman: shinohai's blog looks slick and I wish him all the best but his post reads to me as a full-blown collection of strawmen (what "consensus decided"? what is "official reason given" even supposed to mean exactly? etc); at most I can read it as a mistaken "if not a lord then not a member either" but an honest mistake is just about the most positive reading I can do of that thing

diana_coman: !!rated shinohai

deedbot: diana_coman rated shinohai 1 at 2016/09/03 22:20:37 << Held many euloran noob hands.

diana_coman: that much is certainly true so my rating stands as it is

deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/05/populists-thwart-italian-president-candidate-for-finance-minister-found-who-hasnt-talk-about-leaving-eurozone-yet/ << Qntra - Populists Thwart Italian President Candidate For Finance Minister Found Who Hasn't Talk About Leaving Eurozone Yet

ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: talk -> talked ?

BingoBoingo: ty fxd

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-31#1819989 << i believe the only piece of "naggum emacs" that was available at any point is his patches against emacs 20 to remove MULE (and maybe also provide his own, unicode based alternative) ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-05-31 03:22 esthlos: might as well ask: do you have a copy of naggum's emacs?

phf: i remember seeing the archive.org version of the relevant page, but i think the correspond tar.gz was not in archive, and i gave up tryin to track it down ☟︎

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-31#1820052 << ah ty, is that boots, or with video/wifi/suspend? ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-05-31 15:48 asciilifeform: in other noose, unmodified pizarro pilotplant rootfs ( as published in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2295 and to rc customers ) boots ( with, for the time being , heathen kernel ) on cp101pa .

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819488 << i vaguelly suspect that's something i need to do, but i don't know if i'm willing to go through the whole song and dance with american medical professionals (tm) to extract the medication out of them. might be easier to wait till my next trip to russia.. ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-05-29 16:28 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819451 << and if not, try antibiotics.

asciilifeform: phf: do what errybody else does, veterinary pharma.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-31#1820079 << currently, simply boots ( and runs, sans networking, but userland - gcc etc. -- work, and can emerge proggies from heathenos under chroot. ) the remaining iron is expected to work once i get a patched kernel (with baked-in mods) built. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-05-31 21:41 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-31#1820052 << ah ty, is that boots, or with video/wifi/suspend?

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-31#1820076 << supposing one could count it as part of emacs -- naggum's oddball kbd mappings are also known ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-05-31 21:39 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-31#1819989 << i believe the only piece of "naggum emacs" that was available at any point is his patches against emacs 20 to remove MULE (and maybe also provide his own, unicode based alternative)

asciilifeform: but afaik that's all.

asciilifeform: the rest -- presumably went down with the ship.

phf: right after his death his "estate" posted that the archives of naggum's work will be published "soon", outcome not surprising. i suspect somebody illiterate saw magic runes, decided that sits on lead to gold technology, "to be monetized when i retire"

asciilifeform: phf: moar likely, some combo of simply leaving to gather dust, and throwing out

asciilifeform: same thing that happens to most dead folx.

asciilifeform: whatever the debt collectors didn't take.

phf: there are bits and pieces of code in the usenet, i actually use one of naggum's functions extensively: https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3115568738543631@naggum.no.html

phf: (it's all the way in the end/signature)

asciilifeform: incidentally phf , the keeper of ^ archive never answered asciilifeform's mail re providing a copy. so really oughta scrape it before it evaporates.

phf: you mean copy of his renderer, or the original usenet messages?

asciilifeform: messages. tho the renderer would be nice also.

asciilifeform: can't exactly scrape the renderer tho.

phf: http://data.xach.com.s3.amazonaws.com/cll.txt.gz http://data.xach.com.s3.amazonaws.com/naggum-articles.tgz

asciilifeform: oh ha i missed this

asciilifeform: ty phf

asciilifeform: ( where was this originally linked ? )

phf: https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/notes.html

asciilifeform: somehow i missed.

phf: he also describes a nifty indexing strategy on same page, that i was thinking of using for logs even (very early on)

phf: (to clarify it's completely useless for logs, for obvious reasons, but it was so simple and lispy i thought it can be modified somehow)

asciilifeform: something like what he describes, is unavoidable when data set gets to weigh enough, if you still want reasonable search times

asciilifeform: kinda why phuctor doesn't have an arbitrary string search

asciilifeform: ( i elementarily haven't the memory to make this work reasonably )

phf: right, the approach is sort of one step removed from naive brute force, and now you're paying with extra memory for the index

phf afk

asciilifeform: in other... useful... links: http://natribu.org/en/ << multilingual!

danielpbarron: !!v D814418CC2C6E0514157B897F842E5B34F765CA9C18DFE91A0E5133F339D63C0

danielpbarron: trinque, what am i doing wrong? ^

trinque: how bout a little more context there bud

danielpbarron: trying to !!pay someone

trinque: probably had the parameters reversed