esthlos: hey mircea_popescu, you used to study physics, right? any opinion on mach's principle?
mircea_popescu: i dunno ; grav theory is particularily opaque.
esthlos: certainly
mircea_popescu: anyway, celestial reference is practically useful, and the question "but why should it be" seems ill posed.
mircea_popescu: in any case i find the web 2.0 ish approach intellectually repugnant ; if i'm to explain why one "feels his arms pulled" when spinning under the moon, perhaps i'll be next held to explain why the same one doesn't "feel" the normal pressure in his bladder, or the heliocentric nature of the solar system in his horse's clavicle. let einstein, ziggler, marx, godin and friends answer this nonsense ; anil dash stands ready to angri
mircea_popescu: ly tweet their productions.
mircea_popescu: in short, it's not only ill posed, but rather seems ill posed a certain, familiar way.
esthlos: most admirable physicists I've encountered feel ~ the same. still, idea secudes me from time to time
esthlos: trinque: any time to look at the new vtron? the currently outstanding issues I'm aware of are 1. need to reintroduce a defpackage; 2. weirdness with ccl and building the gpg keychain
mircea_popescu: i suppose the proper term is "new age". funny how that principal designation of pantsuit idiocy during the 80s disappeared once the soviets gave in.
esthlos: funny, they conjure literal beings of pure energy
esthlos: also mircea_popescu , I'm curious what your formula for learning new languages is; or to be more precise, what your advice is to an esltard trying to not be so tarded
mircea_popescu: get a girlfriend.
esthlos: i see
mircea_popescu: not just theory, either. afaik it's how BingoBoingo learned spanish.
esthlos: now to find a deutsche Frau in pantsuit central
trinque: esthlos: yep, I just got to the keyboard. iirc there was something wrong with ccl in regards to keychain path?
trinque fires it up
esthlos: well, try this out: load in the file from a ccl repl, run make-wot, back out of the failure, and run wot again
mircea_popescu: no, you go there.
esthlos: ah nevermind, I thought I remembered this working
esthlos: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Pdqaf/?raw=true
esthlos: see the different error messages? I find it odd
trinque: esthlos: I wager neither of us knows how to use that ffi macro correctly. doing some reading.
esthlos: I found the piece of code causing the trouble
esthlos: CCL::%ERRNO-DISP
esthlos: on the first invocation of make-temp-dir, (ccl::%GET-ERRNO) returns -38, which according to https://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/10/linux-error-codes/ is "function not implemented"
esthlos: sorry, don't mean CCL::%ERRNO-DISP is causing the trouble. CCL::%ERRNO-DISP is setting errno to -38, even though it seems to successfully create the directory
esthlos: err, #_mkdtemp sets errno to -38
trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kHzNl/?raw=true << this is why I think it's being called incorrectly.
trinque: appears to want some C type there as the argument, which makes sense. I wouldn't know how to provide that, just yet.
trinque: "There's no supported way to directly pass lisp data to foreign functions: scalar lisp data must be coerced to an equivalent foreign representation, and lisp arrays (notably strings) must be copied to non-GCed memory." << right there in the https://ccl.clozure.com/manual/chapter13.2.html
esthlos: yep, and check out on https://ccl.clozure.com/manual/chapter13.3.html
esthlos: example: (ccl:with-cstrs ((x "x")) (#_puts x))
trinque: yep, was over here trying to jam it in with make-cstring
trinque: appears to work, i.e. (#_mkdtemp (ccl::make-cstring "/tmp/fooXXXXXX"))
esthlos: can you check the errno with (ccl::%GET-ERRNO) ?
esthlos: as in (progn (#_mkdtemp (ccl:with-cstrs ((x "/tmp/fooXXXXXX")) (#_mkdtemp x))) (format t "~a" (ccl::%GET-ERRNO)))
trinque: getting a -22 out of that
esthlos: yep, and that's causing the error I believe
esthlos: but, verrry strangely, doing it with make-cstring works for me
esthlos: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/KVZFO/?raw=true
trinque: well, expand the with-cstrs macro and see if it does what you assume
trinque: also the code you pasted had a #_mkdtemp wrapped in a #_mkdtemp ?
esthlos: oh, yeah
esthlos: I might need some sleep
esthlos: now it's returning errno 0
trinque: so what are we doing here?
esthlos: I'm looking into the expansion of ccl:with-cstrs to see why it's #_mkdtemp might raise an error
esthlos: make-temp-dir is still setting errno to -38. only my snippet was ill-formed
trinque: I don't think %GET-ERRNO does what it seems. mkdtemp returns a null pointer on error, proper pointer otherwise, and I'm seeing that change depending on whether e.g. there's enough X in the pattern.
trinque: phf, if you're around, would you be more familiar with ^ ?
trinque: esthlos: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QjAE4/?raw=true << here's a fixed make-temp-dir
esthlos: excellent, I was trying to make heads or tails of http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/eFqSm/?raw=true
esthlos: I am curious though, if http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817664 was working for phf, because it wasn't for either of us it seems☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 15:04 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817293 << i started writing a lispy make-temp-directory but the implementation is not particularly elegant (C concerns are at odds with lisp concerns), you can pouch the ccl bits though. i'm not sure if there's a better way to do errno handling, without relying on private ccl symbols
trinque: esthlos: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/odjHx/?raw=true << fixed run-subprocess for ccl. external-process-status return is a "values"
trinque: without the format, of course.
esthlos: ah, nice
trinque: with those changes I was able to press trb with a ccl-built binary
esthlos: have to change the make-pathname of make-temp-dir back btw, because sbcl barfs
trinque: ah k
trinque: well, seems like this is pretty close to done!
esthlos: so, what's the path from here?
esthlos: yep!
trinque: get the defpackage in there, test, then when you're satisfied, post a genesis patch on your blog.
esthlos: hey douchebag feel like some pentesting?
esthlos: break my shit
esthlos: sounds good trinque
trinque: eh, I wouldn't rely on him for that. he's yet to show any signs he's pressed a trb himself using the previous V
trinque: I'll be banging on it myself as well.
esthlos: heh, there was some attempted sarcasm there
trinque: oic
trinque: what's this contents thing, emacsism?
esthlos: very light literate programming
esthlos: only to stay organized
esthlos: though wrt the pentesting, I would be grateful for any flaws found
esthlos: anyway, think its bedtime. defpackage tomorrow
esthlos: night
esthlos: oh I should add, the vast majority of time of the proggy is spent calling gpg. would be nice to replace that turd
trinque: sure would, cya
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-26#1819137 -> they do indeed so it seems it is the same problem, yes; I just didn't know if anyone had already struggled with it with any success☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-26 21:49 lobbes: did your php 5.6 barfs look like mine too? >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/KNEJ4/?raw=true
diana_coman: lobbes, re php 7.2 I'm totally lost as to what new (as opposed to old) mess it brings in
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-27#1819154 << A girlfriend and girl friends. Mustering attention to pay attention to what the boys are saying usually isn't worth it.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-27 01:47 mircea_popescu: not just theory, either. afaik it's how BingoBoingo learned spanish.
BingoBoingo: But you do have to surround yourself with the language. It doesn't matter if one or a handful of charitable ears understand you, you have to get pronunciation from crashing into everyday tasks of living.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-27#1819155 << The question is do you want to go to Germany/Austria, or do you want to learn another language and stick to reading German☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-27 01:50 esthlos: now to find a deutsche Frau in pantsuit central
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/republican-thesaurus/ << revised, added aspie and the zone. comments as always welcome. rhymes cost extra.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, if anyone can explain wtf selection dun work on pages, i'd be thankful
mircea_popescu: oh, and added "empathy" to http://trilema.com/imperial-thesaurus/
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-27#1819227 << This was my realization, as well; to immerse myself in the german language I'd have to move to... europe.pantsuit central >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-29#1790965☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-27 13:40 BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-27#1819155 << The question is do you want to go to Germany/Austria, or do you want to learn another language and stick to reading German
a111: Logged on 2018-03-29 16:50 mircea_popescu: lobbes austria is in the wrong. you buy cheap young hussies generally. romania-czech-slovakia-slovenia-serbia etc, the periphery of the empire. not austria (or hungary), the fucking center of it
lobbes has since settled for simply being able to -read- das Deutsch and has begun trying to learn el Español for practical matters (started with Portuguese only to realize.. that only leaves one with Brazil as a potential escape destination vs. the ~entirety of central/south america)
mircea_popescu: nah, portuguese is useful in south china sea
lobbes: interesting, I had no idea. I only knew of Cape Verde, Azores, and of course Portugal (which I wrote off due to: island, island, nato)
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/the-common-psychosis/ << Trilema - The common psychosis
BingoBoingo: Yeah, Portuguese gets you Brasil, Macau, Portugal, and parts of Africa
BingoBoingo: !!pay-invoice ben_vulpes 2
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LPl7e/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: !!v A39276CCE73F01B9C7357D101203D852B662A128DF28DC10726D7F735F8DC3FE
deedbot: BingoBoingo paid ben_vulpes invoice 2
mircea_popescu: aaand in other lmao, "in 2008 the Ugandan army invaded the DRC in search for the LRA in Operation Lightning Thunder."
mircea_popescu: there was this "freedom figther" dude that meanwhile became a "dangerous criminal" because the "evil government" swtiched sides and is now pantsuit-sponsored
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-27#1819230 <-- looking at http://trilema.com/republican-thesaurus/ , I see that the selection script looks for subtrees under the "shash-39332" span element, but there's none to be found in the rest of the document. is the <span id="shash..."> bit included in page.php? if so, then it's really odd.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-27 15:06 mircea_popescu: incidentally, if anyone can explain wtf selection dun work on pages, i'd be thankful
mircea_popescu: ha! thanks lessee
mircea_popescu: spyked, you found it. tyvm!
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/republican-thesaurus/#selection-43.0-45.0 << behold!
spyked: hey, neat!
mircea_popescu: spyked, btw, ever saw http://trilema.com/2011/cel-mai-bun-film/#selection-97.1-97.24 ? there's genuine romanian spoken in some parts, as well as tits. how the fuck they managed to film that in 1985 is a ~very~ interesting question to me. really, what, paid pcr some $$$ and "here's a slut and some dorks" in exchange ?
spyked: mircea_popescu, didn't see it. but there don't seem to be any romanian names in the cast, so wtf. made me curious, adding it to the list.
douchebag: esthlos: what do you need pentested?
spyked finds a moderate amount of time for movies nowadays. has seen http://trilema.com/2009/nunta-muta/ and http://trilema.com/2015/top-secret/ from his list, and was completely blown away by the former. it still didn't fully sink in, might need to watch it again once or twice.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-26#1819113 <-- I personally like trinque's proposal because it enforces a certain level of hygiene and because it doesn't require calling gpg from lisp. but I'm more curious about what other bot operators have to say about it. so even if for example the poker bot needs to handle funds into its own deedbot wallet, I'm curious whether this semi-manual scheme would be feasible.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-26 15:02 mircea_popescu: re the voicing approach : the above is fine. the alternative, where you keep a dedicated key on the bot, is also fine. the damage it can do is very limited (what, spend money it doesn't have ? rate people ?) and the upside is that you get to find out about possible attacks. neither method is wrong or anything.
spyked: I won't dwell on it too much though. could in principle also end up with both implementations and let operator choose via Common Lisp's *features*... if this doesn't mess up the code too much.
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, a pre-prepared !!v string for payment of a fixed amt is a de-facto reimplementation of... the banknote.
mircea_popescu: spyked, anyway, i wouldn't say it's a good movie. run of the mill 80s tv camp, with vampires and whatnot. "tales from the crypt" fare, if you recall that show.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/05/us-and-china-play-naval-footsie/ << Qntra - US And China Play Naval Footsie
spyked: mircea_popescu, dun think I've seen that one either. first somewhat "creepy" movie I've seen was Twin Peaks cca 1992. but not creepy in the horror sense, and I was 4yo at the time, didn't get much of what was happening.
mircea_popescu: ah ah
spyked: among other horror stuff spyked has seen as a youngun is "horror express" (1972). the rolling eyeball thing completely creeped me out, gotta rewatch that sometime.
mircea_popescu: this was a tv show on hbo in the late 80s (at the time hbo was a perfectly respectable premium cable channel, far from the shitpile it has degenerated into after the end of america).
spyked: with telly savalas aka kojak (which was also popular on romanian tv in the early 90s)
mircea_popescu: ever so slightly less fucktarded (american) and possibly the closest esltards ever got to european tv. even had boobs now and again!
spyked: hm. hbo also had a series with boobage starring the guy from x-files, forgot his name. but that was mid-90s I think?
mircea_popescu: 90s are a thoroughly different kettle of fish.
mircea_popescu: but yes, that's how the dork ended up in showgirls, notwithstanding he evidently didn't belong there at all.
spyked: hm didn't showgirls have the guy from twin peaks/blue velvet/other lynch movies? kyle maclachlan.
spyked: anyway, /me finds the tv format increasingly repetitive and hard to follow. last thing I saw was cowboy bebop, and found about a third of it boring. the other two thirds were worth it though, I can now say I've seen most tv anime.
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/05/27/dumpster-fires-not-just-a-metaphor/ << Bingo Blog - Dumpster Fires: Not Just A Metaphor
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell shinohai Possibly of interest? http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/05/27/dumpster-fires-not-just-a-metaphor/
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
jurov: mod6: ben_vulpes: perhaps you noticed the foundation has some bitcoin cash/gold. liquidate?
mod6: jurov: thank's for the Q. I'm fine with liquidation. ben_vulpes, agree/disagree?
mod6 looks at current hodings.
mod6: Ok here's the latest statement: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-May/000300.html
mod6: So we'd be liquidating: 35.39160115 BCH & 35.38714671 BTG
mod6: !Q calc 0.13520700 * 35.39160115
lobbesbot: mod6: 4.78519221669
mod6: !Q calc 0.00598863 * 35.38714671
lobbesbot: mod6: 0.211920528402
mod6: (Using some recent market rates for BTC/BCH & BTC/BTG calc'd above ^)
mod6: So yeah, I'm in to sell those two symbols into BTC.
jurov: OK, the rate will be different because it will take some time (i'm using home-patched electrum to generate the txen)
mod6: fair enough. I was just trying to get a mental idea of where it's at. I don't activly track BCH or BTG. We'll see what ben_vulpes has to say.
mod6: Adding ~5 BTC to our balance sheet sounds great to me.
mod6: In other news, this cold of mine has been really persisting the last 5 days. Ugh.
mod6: The Advertised Republican Nodes list [http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html] has been updated to include The Bitcoin Foundation's node @ Pizarro.
mod6: Lords and Ladies, please let me know if there are any changes needed to this list. Thanks in advance!
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-27#1819191 << maybet get-errno doesn't do what it's supposed to do☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-27 03:00 trinque: phf, if you're around, would you be more familiar with ^ ?
phf: (ccl:with-cstrs ((x "/tmp/fooXXXXXX")) (#_mkdtemp x)) should just work. i'm not sure why esthlos has a nesting there
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-27#1819192 << i'm pretty sure you have to free after you use make-cstring. with-cstrs puts the content onto stack (that's what (DECLARE (DYNAMIC-EXTENT X)) in macroexpand does)☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-27 03:12 trinque: esthlos: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QjAE4/?raw=true << here's a fixed make-temp-dir