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diana_coman: phf`, fwiw I am reading and I usually do; however, I tend to not talk much
mircea_popescu: phf` it's easy if you're used to it.
asciilifeform: and incidentally phf did build it .
mod6: phf: thanks for the info.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-04 10:14 phf: afaik gnat is built as part of gcc, i.e. it's one of possible artifacts produced during gcc suite compilation, so you shouldn't have a situation of non matching versions, and if you do it's most likely not going to work right. the easiest approach is to build matching gcc/gnat into their own directory structure, and change PATH when you're working with gnat projects. i think package managers going the other way and try and carefully match gcc/gnat
a111: Logged on 2017-05-04 10:14 phf: versions (at least that's what pkgsrc does)
mircea_popescu: phf eh, the whole satanism thing is all about mock-catolicism. "oh, it's a cross, but it's BLACK!!1 oh it's a mass but it's DARK!111".
Framedragger: phf: have you been to the catacombs? not the "tourist tour" way, but the "crawling through them all night, emerge victorious in middle of street" way
a111: Logged on 2017-04-30 22:08 asciilifeform: !~later tell phf http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/DqmQw/?raw=true
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/DqmQw/?raw=true ☟︎
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf if you are still working on the puzzle : it is my current understanding that no clean detection of multiply-overflow (when operands and result are all N-bit registers of same N-arity) is possible...
a111: Logged on 2017-04-29 00:03 phf: vaguely related, all these papers that cite subj. i'm sure all these people have a copy in their private collection (the one they referenced when writing!!1), that they don't share out of copyright considerations and the respect for great scientist
a111: Logged on 2017-04-28 23:50 phf: in related lulz Karatsuba and Ofman's "Multiplication of Many-Digital Numbers by Automatic Computers" doesn't seem to be available anywhere online, but "everyone" seems to know it somehow
asciilifeform: phf: paste whole routine plox?
asciilifeform: phf: you will notice, i also 'de-optimized' some of the arithmetical functions, to help clarity.
asciilifeform: phf: https://archive.is/j4Lue >> 'Умножение многозначных чисел на автоматах' (1962), subj2
asciilifeform: phf: karatsuba's algo is in knuth
asciilifeform: phf: egyptian algo is , afaik, the simplest that's at all practical
asciilifeform: phf: the given algo isn't even 'adult', it's the old ancient egyptian one.
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/DJJ8J/?raw=true << possibly of interest
asciilifeform: if i correctly understood what phf wanted.
asciilifeform: phf: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/z16GS/?raw=true << tentative constant-time >wordsize-increment shifters.
asciilifeform: phf: perfectly legal to call with same variable as in and out.
mircea_popescu: phf can pre style wrap something. but anyway.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-27 22:46 phf: it is not in fact phf who posted this nonsense but an adversary, a sybil attack is in progress!
asciilifeform: ( phf's and Framedragger's both )
phf: it is not in fact phf who posted this nonsense but an adversary, a sybil attack is in progress! ☟︎
asciilifeform: phf: your expt doesn't exponentiate, it (slowly) Shift_Left's.
asciilifeform: phf: also FZ_Add(Result, Result, Result, Overflow); can be a shift, neh.
asciilifeform: neato phf
asciilifeform: congrats to phf for being first to build , btw. hats off.
asciilifeform: phf: plox to elaborate
mircea_popescu: phf Framedragger there's actually a specific law forbidding your approach from prevailing.
Framedragger: phf: seminar group! imma read shannon's orig paper realsoonnao anyway
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648964 << ah shit i (in fact) just repeated phf, sorry lol ☝︎
mircea_popescu: phf if it can categorize the events it necessarily can say ~something~ about ["the past","how they came about"], neh ?
mircea_popescu: phf can you with not so much effort point out to me what netbsd anything he did ?
mircea_popescu: phf yeah well.
asciilifeform: phf: 'infinitely' expandable bignums have their place -- phuctor, for instance. but they are a specialized and EXPENSIVE thing
asciilifeform: phf: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/IZdid/?raw=true << sneak preview.
asciilifeform: phf: indeed they are
asciilifeform: phf: it isn't global, it is part of the 'generic' definition (analogous to cpp template.) will become apparent when you read entire thing.
mircea_popescu: phf functions with any runtime that average about the interval PER CALL show up all over the place.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-25 02:26 mircea_popescu: phf as a side point, do you know anyone totally into death methal with a bmi under 30 ?
mircea_popescu: phf as a side point, do you know anyone totally into death methal with a bmi under 30 ? ☟︎
Framedragger: phf: will read later but i'm getting lots of "regulate, regulate, regulate!" vibe. also possibly too much mindrot from his recent escapades to save tech world from trump ('tech solidarity')
a111: Logged on 2017-04-22 23:26 phf: *is
a111: Logged on 2017-04-22 23:22 phf: http://www.stanforddaily.com/2017/02/28/cs-department-updates-introductory-courses/
a111: Logged on 2017-04-21 21:57 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1647131 << in which we lol at how phf's logtron makes https clickable to 404.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1647131 << in which we lol at how phf's logtron makes https clickable to 404. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-17 21:04 phf: i used to promote a bar in the same block (tom tom's, closed now), so i used to spend a lot of time in this area
a111: Logged on 2017-04-17 19:47 phf: but yeah a communal work coffee shop is a space that advertises itself as a coffee shop, but mostly consists of permanently parked people with laptops. i'd say about 7-10 years ago it suddenly was hip to work from coffee shop?
asciilifeform: phf: i've been there
a111: Logged on 2015-09-21 21:39 phf: mostly amusing, at the local coworking i've probably seen all the stereotypes in flesh. girls with social sciences ph.d. doing research projects, guys pushing feminist rhetoric in every conversation, black transgender talking about white oppression, all manner of "you can do anything" mentality. it's like irl tumblr out there
mats: phf: is the coffee shop like these coworking spaces? http://workbar.com
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-30#1181883 << that one was a (small) real comp tho, phf ☝︎
asciilifeform: phf: i also remember when colour laser was, not so long ago
BingoBoingo: <phf> well, in u.s. dominant roasting brands tend to ruin the coffee << But ruined consistently!!!
BingoBoingo: <phf> well, if you assemble a car out of chinese parts in alaska it still wouldn't be an alaskan car, but the line gets blurry << Many proud "USA!!!" mower made in USA, even varied manufacters (even when accounting for companies collecting "badges"). Motors usually now made by Loncin motor company of China. But USA!!! made the mower!!!
mircea_popescu: phf wouldn't you say p hilton qualifies as what alf discusses, xy skeleton ?
asciilifeform: hey phf , danielpbarron , et al, any of you have any such cd nearby ? can look at it ?
asciilifeform: phf: srsly ?! iirc, danielpbarron had aluminum disks
mircea_popescu: phf this is true but also you know, "everyone assembles the car with wheels on hood -- we do not"
mircea_popescu: phf so if i paint the car in alaska it's a local car now ?
mircea_popescu: phf from his 5x comment i gathered it's one of those cheaper joints where they don't make money out of table service and charge per the bj
mircea_popescu: phf i was just asking in my spare time!
gabriel_laddel_p: phf: text browser. and yes, emacs can do images, but has no notion of x,y coordinates. Also, lack of threading.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 03:17 phf: my solutions to problems like that don't usually involve "bring in a 40mb package". i'd write a top level handler, that shows a modal x11 based repl/restart machinery. sort of poor man's genera
mod6: Thanks phf
asciilifeform: ty phf !
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-11#1642183 << nah. Magic of not-python I assume. My logotron is just a python dildo I found in forest; parses each log flatfile each time search is performed. It is on my longterm list to actually write my own thing eventually (and yes, I would love to know how phf does it) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: as you perhaps imagine, mp will readily turn the ratchet the other way, "Hey phf, i thought lisp worked ?" etc.
mircea_popescu: "21 matches in 678 log files with 138047 lines (1.5 seconds)." << from lobbes 's logotron. "10 entries in 0.482s" from phf 's logotron. i imagine this log is about 10x as long, how the fuck do you do it phf!
a111: Logged on 2017-04-10 18:29 phf: ok, i guess we both know what the problem is. my solution is "study db related algorithms until you know enough to write a db", your solution, unless i misunderstand, seems to be "use an existing database a lot". i don't understand how learning, say, postgresql will get you from not knowing anything about db internal design to writing your own
a111: Logged on 2017-04-10 16:37 phf: well, right, but you're not going to learn how to db by ~running~ databases. the whole "db" thing is an illusion anyway. rtrees, btrees, indexes, locking mechanisms, mvcc are all concrete algorithms, that you can implement in an adhoc manner for your task at hand and actually see how they work and what they do.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-10 16:15 phf: ascii actually can criticize postgresql from the position of understanding. knowing intricacies of psql is not knowledge (rtrees, caching, etc.), it's trivia ("you have to turn lever 3 and depress button Y"). ascii knows what he needs to express, but he can't express it directly, because he's running against architectural constraints of his tool. from that perspective a general "databases are shit" is an entirely valid perspective.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-10 16:07 phf: tmsr work is primarily defined by its voluntary nature, if i had to do things same way i do it at the office i wouldn't bother. ascii doesn't know intricacies of psql from his day job, and i think it's cruel and inhuman to make him study psql ~as part of tmsr work~. it's not the kind of know how you get to learn by sitting down with a cup of tea and a large printout..
a111: Logged on 2017-04-10 16:03 phf: trinque is the resident psql guru, he managed to wire his 50 request lisp process to a postgresql database
a111: Logged on 2017-04-10 15:57 phf: they laughed at me when i said btcbase doesn't use a database, who's laughin now
trinque: phf: one thing they don't do is speak for the other, then proceed from there as if it'd been said
trinque: phf: ^
asciilifeform: fwiw i still don't grasp what trinque was disagreeing with phf about.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-10 19:35 phf: but that's a roundabout way, and you could just read about it in a blog. if the position is that "we should study postgresql source code extensively, as a necessary prerequisite to writing our own database", then i would agree with you, but that doesn't seem to be what you're saying
trinque: and I agree with phf that my recourse is to write the thing I want
lobbes: But re: fits in head. Isn't phf's/alfs argument that you cannot really even audit said generalized glue?
a111: Logged on 2017-04-10 16:37 phf: well, right, but you're not going to learn how to db by ~running~ databases. the whole "db" thing is an illusion anyway. rtrees, btrees, indexes, locking mechanisms, mvcc are all concrete algorithms, that you can implement in an adhoc manner for your task at hand and actually see how they work and what they do.
trinque: phf: I'm having the same experience over here!
a111: Logged on 2017-04-10 16:51 phf: most of them ~also use sql~. but likewise there's no such thing as "the database" there's also no such thing as "the database company uses to store its data". banks typically have 50-100 different large data stores, that serve different purposes
trinque: phf: I didn't claim everybody uses SQL
trinque: phf: ah, then wasn't my intention
trinque: phf: the data is political??
trinque: phf: I'm speaking from the perspective that this data storage thing eventually gets solved in the republic.
trinque: phf: you can avoid the point as you choose. "there is a better land and we'll be there someday; don't eat til we get there, best food on earth, they have." has sunk many companies, and many people
trinque: phf: knowing how to use it is trivia, but tell me, where can I put a dataset now, which I do under no circumstances want to lose, which must be served concurrently to a wide number of clients, which, and so on
trinque: yes phf; this is the only work I've ever done
asciilifeform: phf: i've been searching for how to lose the db, for years now.
mircea_popescu: phf im starting to understand the problem though. here it is : engineer will not consider inconvenient problems. NO MATTER WHAT. that is why he's an engineer : because paradigm made him a personal promise.
asciilifeform: phf: a bolix-style machine that -- hypothetically - could have cost-competed with the 'i can't believe it's not butter' state of the art, would imho count as 'resolve'
mircea_popescu: phf this part is fine. now, why did they fail to a) band togetgher and b) control, deliberately, the product. ☟︎
asciilifeform: phf: i was offering to mircea_popescu that not everyone is born to walk around robbing banks to fund hardware manufacture, or 'burning boston' to extirpate 'socialism', some folks were born to theorems. but mircea_popescu won't have it -- either banks, and burning, or untermenschen, apparently.