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phf: be like water my friend
mats: o god
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's spelled healthfyre
ben_vulpes: in particular i find the "number of insured will decline" line amusing
ben_vulpes: taking as a given that more insured ===== better
mircea_popescu: that was the whole obamacare thing.
mircea_popescu: socialist paradise of the future to be enacted through having more people involved. just like they think the country will fare better, politically, by having more low information voters added to the rolls, and just like clinton genuinely thought the economy will gain by having more black morons with "home ownership". even if it was a purely scriptural matter.
mircea_popescu: this is the ~only belief of the idiot church : more is better.
mircea_popescu: then they go hole themselves up in "exclusive" cul de sacs with bollards and shit.
mircea_popescu: "no child left behind" wasn't supposed to lead to direct, immediate and precipitous tankage of the basic education system.
mircea_popescu: they genuinely imagined, and to this day still hold on to the impacted, unverbalised and unverbalizable belief that "educating" 100% of the horde is like... 2x better than educating 98.8% of it.
mircea_popescu: some strange fyrefestival math like, eating 4 cupcakes = 2400 calories, eating 5 cupcakes = 3500 calories and eating ALL the six cupcakes > 9000 calories. because ALL!
mircea_popescu: this shit isn't in any sense rational. it's not properly speaking belief, like some believe jesus gives a shit about them or whatever, moses turned piss to vinegar. this is more like fatlogic, a convenient and therefore self-perpetuating earworm. whatever the problem, they'll just pretend like it's caused by you know, something somewhere being left behind, like they're playing old sierra quest games.
mircea_popescu: and it's not novel in any sense, either. exact same idiocy documented late 1800s, as per eg https://archive.is/lWBxq#selection-695.430-695.619 ☟︎
mircea_popescu: !!up asciilifeform
deedbot: asciilifeform voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: how goes alfie
asciilifeform: aalmost done with this here expedition.
ben_vulpes: what have you been up to?
asciilifeform: secular matters
mircea_popescu: auditions for his exclusive rave / festival.
asciilifeform: ( wurk )
ben_vulpes: mm
mircea_popescu: lol secular as opposed to cultish ?
asciilifeform: aha. did get to ride on a (i picture) mircea_popescu-grade yacht.
mircea_popescu: o hey. nude sluts ?
asciilifeform: 0 sluts. old folx with beards. but, two massive diesels.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1651870 << if fucked up the reference, meant http://trilema.com/2016/sensitivity-human-rights-democracy/#selection-69.0-73.139 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-05 00:59 mircea_popescu: and it's not novel in any sense, either. exact same idiocy documented late 1800s, as per eg https://archive.is/lWBxq#selection-695.430-695.619
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah, the generator discussion huh
asciilifeform: it blew my mind, i had never before heard of a 'wet muffler', walked around vessel in search of the missing tailpipe...
mircea_popescu: o ya.
mircea_popescu: there's certain advantages to using the grown up version of items
mircea_popescu: like it making sense to deploy the good trims.
asciilifeform: 'why doesn't smell like the bulldozer it is? where is it.'
asciilifeform: and it turns out, asciilifeform is entirely immune to seasickness.
asciilifeform: fwiw.
mircea_popescu: you know that's somewhat common in folk with myopia ?
asciilifeform: dunno, i get sick on , e.g., trains
mircea_popescu: it's the far peripheral vision that gets the vagal system all fucked up
asciilifeform: even had the electroshocker gizmo, when i rode the train ( helped! )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-04#1651748 << i tried it exactly once, mircea_popescu probably recalls ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-04 14:26 shinohai: I don't think I've ever used Cpanel at any point in my internet life.
asciilifeform: it was a horror
asciilifeform: unusable box.
mircea_popescu: lol i recall
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-04#1651852 << i'ma have to do a likbez when i get home. mod6 did you even split the ads and adb pieces? ( i pasted them into same paste, for ease of reading ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-04 23:33 mod6: I totally should have just checked that the version alignment on the thing. It was weird because simple things would compile.... like really simple things. But when it came to the more complex, ffa for example, was getting weird error messages. But at least, hey, it's out there, it has some sharp edges.
asciilifeform: and incidentally phf did build it .
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in real asia news, https://68.media.tumblr.com/224cbc06ec31a452b533aa4fee6574f4/tumblr_nwwqxzsfMi1u1u4hvo1_500.gif
asciilifeform: but yes, you gotta clean your box of any multiple gnats, unless you have a ~very~ tight control of paths in your shell and make sure that only one at a time is visible
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol!!
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C0225860DCE123B51C7C8DEC74F67E219BBD9E6B34A15F6676ECD5F1213549B4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1070...5033 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '12.46.225.30 (ssh-rsa key from 12.46.225.30 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C0225860DCE123B51C7C8DEC74F67E219BBD9E6B34A15F6676ECD5F1213549B4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1015...6703 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '12.46.225.30 (ssh-rsa key from 12.46.225.30 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D65BBD0677E0395C5E6E5DCC0255CF05BFC01B71712815526A8C78C542D93045 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1015...6703 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '50.59.149.233 (ssh-rsa key from 50.59.149.233 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D65BBD0677E0395C5E6E5DCC0255CF05BFC01B71712815526A8C78C542D93045 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1265...1349 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '50.59.149.233 (ssh-rsa key from 50.59.149.233 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
mircea_popescu: is it me or is phuctor popping at an increasing rate
asciilifeform: eh sometimes days with 0
mircea_popescu: tri
asciilifeform: i did recently massage the db knobs, slightly increasing the eat speed
mircea_popescu: ah
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-04#1651723 >> 'He says inside the building he came across a vault that had been cleared of its contents before the planes struck.' ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-04 13:07 mircea_popescu: shinohai lulzy, all the "technical trader" explaining away why their idiocy did not work. here, i have a very similar one for you : https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/1376503/september-11-cameraman-claims-hes-got-proof-the-george-w-bush-administration-was-behind-terror-attacks/
asciilifeform: iirc there were other witnesses of said vault.
mircea_popescu: ya but how many vaults total ?
asciilifeform: 'He says he has the most trouble understanding how World Trade Center 7 collapsed despite suffering no damage.' << this was the cherry on the cake of idiocy usg asked gullible public to swallow.
mircea_popescu: this whole "nefarious AND COMPETENT lizard usg" theory would fare a lot better if it weren;t the case that during ~WELL EXPECTED~ hurricane hit about 500bn in negotiable paper got ruined.
mircea_popescu: you recall that ?
asciilifeform: ruined paper is a win for lizards, not a loss
asciilifeform: it is absolutely never the case that a plebe suddenly no longer owes his mortgage, say, because a paper burned
asciilifeform: whereas the reverse -- always and everywhere.
mircea_popescu: nevermind this tangent. what do you expect was in wtc safe ? paper.
asciilifeform: 'oh your bonds burned? fuck off , usg owes you 0 nao'
asciilifeform: gold?
mircea_popescu: nah.
asciilifeform: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/01/nyregion/a-nation-challenged-the-vault-below-ground-zero-silver-and-gold.html ?
mircea_popescu: it's not practical to keep gold in the middle of fucking new york. you ever saw the wtc traffic ?
mircea_popescu: nonsense, by my lights, but whatever.
asciilifeform: and most of usg's claimed/official reserve lives in nyc still.
asciilifeform: ( at least nominally )
mircea_popescu: not in the fucking wtc though.
asciilifeform: in nyc fed.
mircea_popescu: i dunno about that.
asciilifeform: Officially.
mircea_popescu: what, you mean in the museum building at 33 liberty ?
mircea_popescu: !!up asciilifeform
deedbot: asciilifeform voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: 'The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms also lost two evidence vaults, according to a spokesman for that agency' << gotta wonder, they dismissed even 1 case?
mircea_popescu: well, the lying chemist resulted in about 600 retrials in boston. coupla hundred walked.
mod6: hai
asciilifeform: heya mod6
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> auditions for his exclusive rave / festival. << ha
mod6: how's the trip alf?
asciilifeform: in some ways interesting.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-04#1651852 << i'ma have to do a likbez when i get home. mod6 did you even split the ads and adb pieces? ( i pasted them into same paste, for ease of reading ) << yup. that was the first thing I encountered. but indeed, much easier to read. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-04 23:33 mod6: I totally should have just checked that the version alignment on the thing. It was weird because simple things would compile.... like really simple things. But when it came to the more complex, ffa for example, was getting weird error messages. But at least, hey, it's out there, it has some sharp edges.
danielpbarron: there's pretty substantial evidence that the WTC buildings were destroyed with a "directed energy weapon"
mircea_popescu: what's a directed energy weapon ?
mod6: and that's the main thing. i really care about trying to fit it in head, as opposed to "compiler" concerns at this time with ffa. however, my other little sample shits i've been trying to make are probably going to go a lot better now that i have a 'sane' environment.
asciilifeform: what ~isn't~ one ?
asciilifeform: even knife, qualifies
danielpbarron: focusing electromagnetic beams in some sort of static field
mircea_popescu: well, supposedly revoler, directed matter weapon ? i dunno
danielpbarron: that would be a kinetic weapon
asciilifeform bangs head on desk
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron did you bother with the math on that ?
mod6: asciilifeform: hey, did you ever see my q for ya in #trilema-mod6?
asciilifeform: nope
mod6: hope it didn't make you puke or whatever, was just curious...
mod6: so. ok.
asciilifeform: gonna have to check the logs.
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, no. did you do the math on jet fuel?
mircea_popescu: or for that matter the practical details. what's a MW laser look like, cost, what's it sound like when it goes, why would i say "nah, pulsed" as it were obvious in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-17#1628600 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-17 04:04 mircea_popescu: eh ffs, what sustained. pulse.
mircea_popescu: stuff like that.
mircea_popescu: well yes, as a matter of fact i keep doing that math. it keeps coming up here, about how a liter of gasoline is 1.5 MJ and there ain't no electric battery even come close etc.
mod6: asciilifeform: it's here http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema-mod6?d=2017-5-2#084fcaeb-3165-47f6-a8d2-ab029ac3adbb
mod6: basically, I was just wondering about the verbage there and how I aught to "distill"; my first inclination was to go two bytes at a time, xor them together, output 1 byte. but then after sleeping on it, and a search of "xor in place", i thought maybe it meant to take: 0A0B and swap to 0B0A.
danielpbarron: if jet fuel, why wasn't there a million tons of debris at ground zero? why wasn't there any significant seismic activity?
mod6: After doing such, I have a hard time thinking how that would be cryptographically helpful. So perhaps the former is correct? Just looking for a heads up.
mircea_popescu: standard kerosene is 46MJ/kg. the boeing carries about 63k liters, and kerosene density is about .82
mircea_popescu: !~calc 46 * 63 * .82
asciilifeform: mod6: xor is the 1 operation where entropy is guaranteed-additive ( supposing the two items are independent! X xor X = 0 ! )
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 46 * 63 * .82 = 2376.3599999999997
mircea_popescu: 2.3 TJ.
mod6: asciilifeform: even in the case of a swap?
mircea_popescu: what's a swap ?
asciilifeform: what swap
mod6: my being dumb, the second time around.
asciilifeform: this has 0 to do with the swap trick in ffa, mod6
asciilifeform: xor, realize, has many uses.
mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/R51WR/?raw=true
mod6: sorry, don't mean to confuse with ffa
mod6: this is for FG
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i take the laser because notwithstanding the ample lossage generally discussed as "slope efficiency", photon beams are the most efficient em "weapons". actual ion beams are even worse than the 3-5%ish laser. so you know, someone somewhere had to burn 50 TJ or so to deliver the same effect, plus whatever the intervening air ate up. you know how air looks if traversed by a TJ laser ?
mod6: at the end of the page it says "distill a days worth of entropy and xor in place"
mod6: just trying to find out if im doing that right
mod6: nevermind, just hit me up when you're bck
asciilifeform: mod6: it means that you need B bytes, but you collect x*B, and xor them over a B-sized buffer
trinque: "directed energy weapon" is a whole other level of strange
trinque: I had not heard that particular tinfoil
danielpbarron: it wasn't a laser. it was some thing that causes a sort of cold fusion that turns atoms into other atoms, and causes atoms and molecules to repel eachother. it caused the buildings to turn to dust mid-air
trinque: the thing was demo'd.
danielpbarron: there is a woman named Judy Wood who came up with this theory, and she has a lot of evidence to back it up
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: what part of the picture was inconsistent with good old dynamite?
trinque: like any other structure that collapsed into footprint
asciilifeform: ^
asciilifeform: the 'martian deathray' folx -- serve usg.
mircea_popescu: tecnically, i suppose fuel-air bombs are "directed [thermal] energy", for a very weak specification of "directed"
danielpbarron: asciilifeform, lack of explosions, lack of debris, toasted cars on the ground away from where they could have been hit by things-- and toasted not by fire but something else. witnesses saw them spontaneously combust
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron cold fusion tends to leave very specific residue however.
danielpbarron: tritium, yes that was found
mircea_popescu: not that much lithium snow in new york the next day.
mircea_popescu: tritium results from hydrogen cold fusion, theoretically. what hydrogen ?
danielpbarron: isn't there hydrogen in the air?
mircea_popescu: not in this sense, no.
mircea_popescu: there's water in the air. but hydrogen, even lighter than helium, tends to either react or run off.
mircea_popescu: you can't really cold-fuse water's hydrogens, because the tightly bound oxygen works as a sort of equivalent of a moderator.
danielpbarron: i don't know, but the levels of tritium at ground zero were much higher than what you'd expect
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: tritium is a gas at stp
asciilifeform: just like regular old H
mircea_popescu: also flammable yes.
asciilifeform: and you won't find measurable qty of either in outdoor atmosphere.
mircea_popescu: ah, depends with what you measure.
mircea_popescu: can now and again see a line, gets 2nd year physicists all excited.
danielpbarron: the effects of this weapon go on long after it as been deactivated. there was a building near the WTC that suffered minimal damage and was repaired, only to be demolished months later because the structure rotted. the metal looked as if it had been submerged in the ocean for a century
mircea_popescu: ok, but you're aware this is not really how radiation works. there's no electromagnetic linger.
mircea_popescu: actually, that's the principal distinction between "matter" and "energy" as intuitively understood. matter sticks around. energy does not.
mircea_popescu: photon rest mass is 0 for a reason.
asciilifeform: mod6: see logs, 'xor lemma'
asciilifeform: mod6: i'ma post example when i get back to cockpit
mod6: no problem.
mod6: it can wait.
shinohai: So there is this chick that calls herself "Lil Wafarin" on twitter sent me a message. When I casually asked why she chose rat poison as her nom de guerre, she goes ballistic.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at "endoscopy ? i love endoscopy!" camp, https://68.media.tumblr.com/67bc762d294ac3d279059aa8e7a3c511/tumblr_nuu3mpB1qT1uwm5r1o1_500.gif
mircea_popescu: shinohai were you being disrespectful of her roots ?
shinohai: !!Up asciilifeform
deedbot: asciilifeform voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai: Nah least I didn't consider it disrespectful. I was genuinely curious.
shinohai: Perhaps she is a serial killer that uses Coumadin to poison her victims.
shinohai: Quien sabe.
asciilifeform bbl - tomorrow.
mod6: later
mircea_popescu: oh yeah, totally forgot to gloat. so today on highway going to town, crash in front of me. then on the way back... crash in front of me. this one actually made traffic crawl, so i told the driver to switch lanes. because he wasn't going in the faster one.
mircea_popescu: the lane i told him to switch to ? stayed fast. so THERE!
mod6: nice!
mod6: sounds like you dodged a kid on a bike the other day too.
mircea_popescu: passively!
mod6: damn bikes!
mircea_popescu: i suspect kid was trying to impress attendant slavegirl.
mod6: ahh. trying to showboat found him a strategically placed hydrant.
mod6: lifes lessons aha
mircea_popescu: hey, sort of like sidewalk's penis.
mod6: ya, very much. there's one on every street!
mircea_popescu: lel
mod6: i bet the switchbacks were brutal on that hike 'eh?
mircea_popescu: they can't be arsed with switchbacks here. fuck it they say, make it 25% and let you drive in 1st for a few hours, what of it.
mircea_popescu: good for the engine!
mircea_popescu: you ever saw "4x4" choke to death on asphalt ?
mircea_popescu: just couldn't get enough torque to get its fat ass up the grade. period.
mod6: wow. no, can't say that I have.
mircea_popescu: they have some hills here that if it even lightly frosted, it'd just be farewell to arms
mircea_popescu: and legs.
mod6: heheh.
mircea_popescu: they'd just have a bunch of disparate torsos collected in the valley.
mod6: i'd imagine that it'd be crazy.
mircea_popescu: even water slick is VERY problematic.
mod6: i suppose even with the rains it's pretty bad
mod6: ya
mircea_popescu: rains daily, see ? and if you start sliding there's nothing.
mircea_popescu: just no fucking way, stop on the first ravine.
mod6: there a fair amount of mudslides/erosion?
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: they build walls and shit to contain it, and are very good with trench gutters, foot deep etc.
mircea_popescu: but still.
mod6: sure.
mircea_popescu: fortunately the soil isn't very good. if it were the rich black stuff, that sucks a lot of water, forget about it.
mircea_popescu: but mostly jungle crap, not so soaky.
mod6: sure, more sand like then?
mircea_popescu: sand/clay sorta thing.
mod6: ah. what's the power situation like? do they lose power often during the rain?
mod6: take a while to get it back on?
mircea_popescu: nah. it's pretty dirty but hey, you get inverters etc. otherwise, no, outage may be 10 minutes or such. they're just very serious, diligent people, drive up the hill fix it.
mod6: that seems reasonable.
mircea_popescu likes ticos.
mircea_popescu: way the fuck better than argentina, i'll tell you that. those idiots... god help them.
mod6: good to hear.
mod6: i think you had all you could stand of that place.
mircea_popescu: just about.
trinque: yeah, I found 'em friendly, helpful, and you could joke with them
trinque: no air of "someone's about to get offended"
trinque: which sad that this was noteworthy to me, but was
mircea_popescu: haven't seen good salesmen for a long while pre coming back here. you know that, BOTH a) not be obnoxious and b) talk to you. not one, or the other. fucking both.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i wasn't here for it, but one opf the places, tree fell over brought down power grid. ticoswarm, power back on 2 hrs later.
mod6: ah, nice
mircea_popescu: ~the inner limit for what something like that can reasonably take, i figure. so... yeah.
mod6: hell, sometimes a storm can come through here, knock down lines; the tree guys might have to clear debris, power guys gotta hook up new equip and lines, can take ~12-24 hours
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> standard kerosene is 46MJ/kg. the boeing carries about 63k liters, and kerosene density is about .82 << Aha, this seems to be a source of common misunderstanding. That Jet fuel is a kerosene "heating oil" and not a gasoline exploding oil
mircea_popescu: aha. because turbine not boomegine, but whatever.
BingoBoingo: <shinohai> So there is this chick that calls herself "Lil Wafarin" on twitter sent me a message. When I casually asked why she chose rat poison as her nom de guerre, she goes ballistic. << BwAHAHAHAHAHAH
mod6: when i first moved into this place, the huge silver-maple tree was touching the high-wire during a storm. the branch actually caught fire in the rain. started to spread down the branch quite a ways...
mod6: i was like "well... umm... tree is ON FIRE... so call fire dept?"
mircea_popescu: live tree ?
mod6: so, did, they came and kept an eye on it until it went out on its own. but next day, they came and trimmed off the back half of the tree to clear for the line.
mod6: yah live tree. still is huge monstrosity in my back yard.
mircea_popescu: pretty hardcore
mod6: sounds like these highlines for residential service are somewhere between 300-600 volts
jurov: iirc in murica the lines have like 1-2kV and everyone has own transformer?
Framedragger: new chrome version supports "headless" mode for very easy and accurate archiving. i'm curious, would the forum tolerate the use of chrome in an archiving tool (if properly packaged and (to the extent it's possible - yes, limited, barf) sanboxed)? ☟︎
Framedragger: also not sure how easy it'd be to do the "have JS run, then save the resulting no-JS snapshot" thing (for having properly rendered copies without JS in them.)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652105 << can make your own tools for as long as you can live with them. the output is sane ? ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-05 11:39 Framedragger: new chrome version supports "headless" mode for very easy and accurate archiving. i'm curious, would the forum tolerate the use of chrome in an archiving tool (if properly packaged and (to the extent it's possible - yes, limited, barf) sanboxed)?
trinque: Framedragger: iirc archive.is uses headless webkit ☟︎
trinque: why did you skip over wget -R ? ☟︎
mod6: mornin'
mircea_popescu: no js ?
BingoBoingo: In other idiotgeneering, Neighbors on the other side of the Mississippi are bitching and moaning about "OMG, towns [a,b,c] have had second 500 year flood in 18 months!!!" meanwhile only marginalized commentators are raising the issue of "Why did we let the Chesterfield valley get levees and suburbs?" Apparently people raising the issue that building levees for new construction turns meandring floods into energetic and giant log flume rid
BingoBoingo: es are the ones who don't know how the world works...
trinque: mircea_popescu: wget -R will suck down every URL it finds, js included ☟︎
mircea_popescu: hey, us public discourse is == marketing talk, and there's no marketing benefit in pointing out "real estate" is neither real nor valuavble.
trinque: * wget -r
mircea_popescu: trinque yes but not process and render it, is the thinking
trinque: ah if one wants some kind of preview before loading the archived site, yes, can't get that
mircea_popescu: i thought one only wants the previews.
mircea_popescu: why would anyone save the ajax pile of bullshit. "modern" web dev has no place in the present let alone to be preserved for the future.
trinque: certainly not.
trinque: so archive.is waits for the DOM to render, then what, serializes that back to HTML?
mircea_popescu: it appears so
trinque: got it; was trying to understand why have a browser involved in the archiving
trinque: I don't run JS in either case ☟︎
mircea_popescu: to get rid of usg idiot party
mircea_popescu: heck, if everyone forgot how to "web 2.0" tomorrow, this'd be a greater gain for human culture than the discovery of fucking penicillin.
trinque: sure. Framedragger meanwhile with a headless chrome will have all the attack surface anybody ever wanted ☟︎
trinque: will want to consider that as he puts things where
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/things-that-happened-to-sam-chapter-1-sorry/ << Trilema - Things That Happened To Sam. Chapter 1 - Sorry.
BingoBoingo: Oh my, Pam's going to find some dick with initiative!
trinque: Framedragger: https://github.com/o2platform/chrome-repl << ever see this? might be a way to snag teh html tag's outerHTML ☟︎
trinque: ah you know what, that wasn't even the thing
trinque trying to recall whatever he used to jack chrome into emacs
trinque: https://chromedevtools.github.io/devtools-protocol/ << was some elisp that ate from this
asciilifeform: achtung, panzers! anyone who noticed that his trb wire to dulap dropped last night -- the thing was rebooted (without my permission) ~13 hours ago.
shinohai: wb asciilifeform
asciilifeform: ty shinohai
ben_vulpes: oh interesting, asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: that wouldn't lead to a node pegging 100% cpu, would it?
BingoBoingo: In other news, Canada is trying to start a Dairy trade war with US\
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: not afaik
ben_vulpes: didn't think so.
ben_vulpes: A MYSTERY
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652115 << trinque -- not only does this mean that you (reader) are stuck with executing js - but also that it can DYNAMICALLY load turdolade from the original www (which may or may not still be there, or be the same as before) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-05 15:14 trinque: mircea_popescu: wget -R will suck down every URL it finds, js included
asciilifeform: so wget and any similar mechanism, is quite worthless for archiving hostile www.
trinque: nonsense.
trinque: and removing those tags > running the thing through a giant wad of browser
trinque: if the thing doesn't render readably without JS it was written by morons, and who wants to read anyway ☟︎☟︎
trinque: supposing someone does want to read, sure, doing this is the only means
ben_vulpes: how is one to hoist the morons upon their own words if they're only legible with js?
trinque: man I don't want to read every livejournal before condemning
trinque: the nuremberg that lasted eternity
ben_vulpes: and when nate silver tires of the archiving of his bad predictions?
trinque: !#s enumerating badness
a111: 11 results for "enumerating badness", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=enumerating%20badness
ben_vulpes: we possibly speak past each other.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652151 << ~whole point is to archive völkischer beobachter et al. the folx who work day and night to make it difficult. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-05 18:19 trinque: if the thing doesn't render readably without JS it was written by morons, and who wants to read anyway
asciilifeform: otherwise 'unhappening' is far too easy.
trinque: I guess I remain unconvinced that I ever gained anything paying attention to them
trinque: but am not prepared to argue that's the general case
asciilifeform: not as such
asciilifeform: but to pay attention to the specific pattern of what is lied about -- gained, yes.
asciilifeform: this is quite difficult without archiving.
trinque: I see a bias of my own here, towards tuning out noise.
trinque: the archiving of them is indeed relevant to the historian
trinque: for archiving the few sane folks in same time period, no js required
asciilifeform: !~later tell mod6 http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/upCny/?raw=true << makefile. this will work everywhere but crapple, where static linking is entirely dead. ( will work there also if you discard the relevant flags. )
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: subdir 'bin' must exist.
asciilifeform: this also gives you automagic flymake support in emacs
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/tBbGD/?raw=true << well, not quite automatic, you need this in your .emacs .
asciilifeform: ^^^ mod6 , ben_vulpes , trinque , et al -- complete gnat magics ^^^
ben_vulpes: from the void: https://perma.cc/
asciilifeform: lol another heathen deedbot.
asciilifeform: 'supporting partners' 'cloudflare' 'harvard'
asciilifeform: and of course archive.org ( why does usg need TWO of these ? )
trinque: diversity strengthens us (and fattens the budget)
asciilifeform: mod6: lemme know if you have questions re the makefile. you will notice that there are multiple knobs.
mod6: ok will look in just a sec here.
mod6: thanks asciilifeform
asciilifeform: that ain't all :
asciilifeform: there is another util, called gprbuild
asciilifeform: it comes with adacore's gnat, but with the vanilla gnu one, you gotta build it by hand
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/H2ASf/?raw=true << example of how to use it.
asciilifeform: it displaces gnumake entirely
asciilifeform: in favour of a more intelligent, ada-specific thing
asciilifeform: see official docs for what all of the knobs do, my paste only shows the very basic ones.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oh, so that's what it was.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/rhezw/?raw=true << very helpful professional isp, i'm like... "oh, MY SERVER. that's unambiguous enough."
ben_vulpes: psh why would anyone ever need more than one server
ben_vulpes: just containerize everything you do
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652151 << people making fun of morons, for instance. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-05 18:19 trinque: if the thing doesn't render readably without JS it was written by morons, and who wants to read anyway
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i ordered a kubinetes book but got instead an ikea box.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: are you thick? it comes with instructions
ben_vulpes: just bolt the jet to the submarine
mircea_popescu: yes but it put together a maschinengewehr 42 when i followed wthem
ben_vulpes: oh that's odd
ben_vulpes: are you sure you're reading the romanian instructions and not the argentine ones?
ben_vulpes: also have you tried rebooting your cardboard
mircea_popescu: it's all in broken pigdin anyway
ben_vulpes: oh there's your problem, the broken pigeons hold it all together
mircea_popescu: i see ty for help a+++ would quora again.
ben_vulpes: plz rate if this answered your problem
mircea_popescu: !!rate ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: mark as resolved
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: seems odd, the phrasing, 'a network segment associated with your server', as if only the lan had gone down
asciilifeform: ( whereas in fact entire box did )
mircea_popescu: i don't expect by now there's any relation whatsoever between the mouth-like organ and the arm-like organ of the vaguely organised amoeba colony.
asciilifeform: i thought this was a vaguely-sane d00d, not amoeba...
mircea_popescu: i broadly inferred that "something happened".
mircea_popescu: !#s cherry servers
a111: 1 result for "cherry servers", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=cherry%20servers
mircea_popescu: odd, figured prominently in the previous "we need isp" installment.
trinque: could've been power outage and network segment refers to area of DC
mircea_popescu: on the strenght of the text as it is could just as well been guywith molotov for the same money.
asciilifeform: aha, anything from tripped cable to asteroid
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ^^^ mod6 , ben_vulpes , trinque , et al -- complete gnat magics ^^^ << aha. thx.
mod6: fwiw, i don't emacs or whatever it is.
mod6: but, let's not worry about that for now, i got a working env on my side.
shinohai doesn't emacs either so all of last thread was lost on him.
asciilifeform: shinohai: makefile for static binary.
asciilifeform: ( everything else -- extras )
asciilifeform: https://thewildpeak.wordpress.com/2013/10/20/exile-rather-than-servitude-the-english-leave-for-constantinople << in unrelated olds. lulzy www , generally. reminds that not all liberasts are illiterate, even today.
mircea_popescu: "people matter more than power" eh ?
mircea_popescu: what fucking people.
mod6: Hi all: Ok 3rd run of entropy collection & `ent` & `dieharder` tests are done on FG #3: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg3.ent_run3.txt http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg3.dieharder_run3.txt
mod6: On to FG #4...
mod6: asciilifeform: hey!! Thanks for the makefile :]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fella's a bit fixated on normal conquest, berber slavers, conscripted sailors. might even be a candidate for one of your cuckold stories.
asciilifeform: *norman conquest, lol
asciilifeform: pretty well read , overall, which is rare for the type
mircea_popescu: he;'s basically interested into losers BECAUSE losers.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in chicago, http://68.media.tumblr.com/754d603234af5c2572e04173e28223a4/tumblr_ntdlsjAmgA1utyzkko1_500.gif
asciilifeform: paging BingoBoingo !11
BingoBoingo: The obeast's toes are out of frame for a reason http://www.podiatrytoday.com/files/pt12tma1_1.png
BingoBoingo: And apparently US DOJ refuses to yeild to Trumpreich orders re:"What's a body of water?"
asciilifeform: 'This is what nobles do. The Duke of This or the Baron of That, the King of France or the Holy Roman Emperor, they called themselves warriors but actually they were just armed and heavily armoured thugs. If they weren’t leading their men up the hill to their death, they were leading them in the slaughter of the enemy. Sometimes in these battles the nobles died too. But in the middle-ages, in the so-called Age of Chivalry, while the
asciilifeform: y expected the common soldiers, their ‘men’, to be slaughtered without mercy, they expected that if they themselves were facing defeat they would be able to ‘yield’, to be taken prisoner, to be treated honourably while awaiting the collection of a huge ransom paid for their release. The ransom money of course had to be ground out of their ever-suffering tenants and serfs back at home.' << lulzy
asciilifeform: ( https://thewildpeak.wordpress.com/2014/10/18/the-grand-old-duke-of-york-he-slaughtered-ten-thousand-men-2 )
asciilifeform: more typical yet, https://thewildpeak.wordpress.com/2013/07/24/dont-sit-like-melvyn-bragg >> 'I for one have the utmost respect for Churchill as a war leader, but what about Churchill as an aristocrat? What about his wealthy and privileged background? Where did the wealth to build Blenheim Palace come from? What had his ancestor John Churchill, The Duke of Marlborough, done to deserve it? Who were his victims?'
asciilifeform: i actually find orwell quite considerably less outrageous than linked d00d. in the time of o it was at least possible to imagine the commoners whom, if, e.g., churchill, had not eaten, might have 'done great things'. but today ?
asciilifeform: when we know what the 'great things' are -- reddit ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> when we know what the 'great things' are -- reddit ? << Or local news bitching about how they plan to rebuilt their thrice washed out property, because apparently the watershed that took everything from you thrice did not bring enough pain to negate "good memories at the old house(s)"
BingoBoingo: Flood insurance reform now
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: why not houses on stilts, as in vietnam ??
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Those exist in saner river proximity construction
BingoBoingo: Instead the vermin bitch and moan that the nest they keep building in the culvert keeps washing away
BingoBoingo: We're going to need bigger conibears