phf: be like water my friend
ben_vulpes: in particular i find the "number of insured will decline" line amusing
ben_vulpes: taking as a given that more insured ===== better
mircea_popescu: socialist paradise of the future to be enacted through having more people involved. just like they think the country will fare better, politically, by having more low information voters added to the rolls, and just like clinton genuinely thought the economy will gain by having more black morons with "home ownership". even if it was a purely scriptural matter.
mircea_popescu: this is the ~only belief of the idiot church : more is better.
mircea_popescu: then they go hole themselves up in "exclusive" cul de sacs with bollards and shit.
mircea_popescu: "no child left behind" wasn't supposed to lead to direct, immediate and precipitous tankage of the basic education system.
mircea_popescu: they genuinely imagined, and to this day still hold on to the impacted, unverbalised and unverbalizable belief that "educating" 100% of the horde is like... 2x better than educating 98.8% of it.
mircea_popescu: some strange fyrefestival math like, eating 4 cupcakes = 2400 calories, eating 5 cupcakes = 3500 calories and eating ALL the six cupcakes > 9000 calories. because ALL!
mircea_popescu: this shit isn't in any sense rational. it's not properly speaking belief, like some believe jesus gives a shit about them or whatever, moses turned piss to vinegar. this is more like fatlogic, a convenient and therefore self-perpetuating earworm. whatever the problem, they'll just pretend like it's caused by you know, something somewhere being left behind, like they're playing old sierra quest games.
deedbot: asciilifeform voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: there's certain advantages to using the grown up version of items
mircea_popescu: it's the far peripheral vision that gets the vagal system all fucked up
a111: Logged on 2017-05-04 14:26 shinohai: I don't think I've ever used Cpanel at any point in my internet life.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-04 23:33 mod6: I totally should have just checked that the version alignment on the thing. It was weird because simple things would compile.... like really simple things. But when it came to the more complex, ffa for example, was getting weird error messages. But at least, hey, it's out there, it has some sharp edges.
mircea_popescu: this whole "nefarious AND COMPETENT lizard usg" theory would fare a lot better if it weren;t the case that during ~WELL EXPECTED~ hurricane hit about 500bn in negotiable paper got ruined.
mircea_popescu: nevermind this tangent. what do you expect was in wtc safe ? paper.
mircea_popescu: it's not practical to keep gold in the middle of fucking new york. you ever saw the wtc traffic ?
deedbot: asciilifeform voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: well, the lying chemist resulted in about 600 retrials in boston. coupla hundred walked.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> auditions for his exclusive rave / festival. << ha
mod6: how's the trip alf?
mod6: <+asciilifeform>
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-04#1651852 << i'ma have to do a likbez when i get home. mod6 did you even split the ads and adb pieces? ( i pasted them into same paste, for ease of reading ) << yup. that was the first thing I encountered. but indeed, much easier to read.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-05-04 23:33 mod6: I totally should have just checked that the version alignment on the thing. It was weird because simple things would compile.... like really simple things. But when it came to the more complex, ffa for example, was getting weird error messages. But at least, hey, it's out there, it has some sharp edges.
danielpbarron: there's pretty substantial evidence that the WTC buildings were destroyed with a "directed energy weapon"
mod6: and that's the main thing. i really care about trying to fit it in head, as opposed to "compiler" concerns at this time with ffa. however, my other little sample shits i've been trying to make are probably going to go a lot better now that i have a 'sane' environment.
danielpbarron: focusing electromagnetic beams in some sort of static field
mircea_popescu: well, supposedly revoler, directed matter weapon ? i dunno
mod6: asciilifeform: hey, did you ever see my q for ya in #trilema-mod6?
mod6: hope it didn't make you puke or whatever, was just curious...
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, no. did you do the math on jet fuel?
a111: Logged on 2017-03-17 04:04 mircea_popescu: eh ffs, what sustained. pulse.
mircea_popescu: well yes, as a matter of fact i keep doing that math. it keeps coming up here, about how a liter of gasoline is 1.5 MJ and there ain't no electric battery even come close etc.
mod6: basically, I was just wondering about the verbage there and how I aught to "distill"; my first inclination was to go two bytes at a time, xor them together, output 1 byte. but then after sleeping on it, and a search of "xor in place", i thought maybe it meant to take: 0A0B and swap to 0B0A.
danielpbarron: if jet fuel, why wasn't there a million tons of debris at ground zero? why wasn't there any significant seismic activity?
mod6: After doing such, I have a hard time thinking how that would be cryptographically helpful. So perhaps the former is correct? Just looking for a heads up.
mircea_popescu: standard kerosene is 46MJ/kg. the boeing carries about 63k liters, and kerosene density is about .82
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 46 * 63 * .82 = 2376.3599999999997
mod6: asciilifeform: even in the case of a swap?
mod6: my being dumb, the second time around.
mod6: sorry, don't mean to confuse with ffa
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i take the laser because notwithstanding the ample lossage generally discussed as "slope efficiency", photon beams are the most efficient em "weapons". actual ion beams are even worse than the 3-5%ish laser. so you know, someone somewhere had to burn 50 TJ or so to deliver the same effect, plus whatever the intervening air ate up. you know how air looks if traversed by a TJ laser ?
mod6: at the end of the page it says "distill a days worth of entropy and xor in place"
mod6: just trying to find out if im doing that right
mod6: nevermind, just hit me up when you're bck
trinque: "directed energy weapon" is a whole other level of strange
trinque: I had not heard that particular tinfoil
danielpbarron: it wasn't a laser. it was some thing that causes a sort of cold fusion that turns atoms into other atoms, and causes atoms and molecules to repel eachother. it caused the buildings to turn to dust mid-air
danielpbarron: there is a woman named Judy Wood who came up with this theory, and she has a lot of evidence to back it up
trinque: like any other structure that collapsed into footprint
mircea_popescu: tecnically, i suppose fuel-air bombs are "directed [thermal] energy", for a very weak specification of "directed"
danielpbarron: asciilifeform, lack of explosions, lack of debris, toasted cars on the ground away from where they could have been hit by things-- and toasted not by fire but something else. witnesses saw them spontaneously combust
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron cold fusion tends to leave very specific residue however.
mircea_popescu: tritium results from hydrogen cold fusion, theoretically. what hydrogen ?
mircea_popescu: there's water in the air. but hydrogen, even lighter than helium, tends to either react or run off.
mircea_popescu: you can't really cold-fuse water's hydrogens, because the tightly bound oxygen works as a sort of equivalent of a moderator.
danielpbarron: i don't know, but the levels of tritium at ground zero were much higher than what you'd expect
mircea_popescu: can now and again see a line, gets 2nd year physicists all excited.
danielpbarron: the effects of this weapon go on long after it as been deactivated. there was a building near the WTC that suffered minimal damage and was repaired, only to be demolished months later because the structure rotted. the metal looked as if it had been submerged in the ocean for a century
mircea_popescu: ok, but you're aware this is not really how radiation works. there's no electromagnetic linger.
mircea_popescu: actually, that's the principal distinction between "matter" and "energy" as intuitively understood. matter sticks around. energy does not.
shinohai: So there is this chick that calls herself "Lil Wafarin" on twitter sent me a message. When I casually asked why she chose rat poison as her nom de guerre, she goes ballistic.
deedbot: asciilifeform voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai: Nah least I didn't consider it disrespectful. I was genuinely curious.
shinohai: Perhaps she is a serial killer that uses Coumadin to poison her victims.
mircea_popescu: oh yeah, totally forgot to gloat. so today on highway going to town, crash in front of me. then on the way back... crash in front of me. this one actually made traffic crawl, so i told the driver to switch lanes. because he wasn't going in the faster one.
mircea_popescu: the lane i told him to switch to ? stayed fast. so THERE!
mod6: sounds like you dodged a kid on a bike the other day too.
mircea_popescu: i suspect kid was trying to impress attendant slavegirl.
mod6: ahh. trying to showboat found him a strategically placed hydrant.
mod6: ya, very much. there's one on every street!
mod6: i bet the switchbacks were brutal on that hike 'eh?
mircea_popescu: they can't be arsed with switchbacks here. fuck it they say, make it 25% and let you drive in 1st for a few hours, what of it.
mircea_popescu: just couldn't get enough torque to get its fat ass up the grade. period.
mod6: wow. no, can't say that I have.
mircea_popescu: they have some hills here that if it even lightly frosted, it'd just be farewell to arms
mircea_popescu: they'd just have a bunch of disparate torsos collected in the valley.
mod6: i'd imagine that it'd be crazy.
mod6: i suppose even with the rains it's pretty bad
mircea_popescu: rains daily, see ? and if you start sliding there's nothing.
mod6: there a fair amount of mudslides/erosion?
mircea_popescu: they build walls and shit to contain it, and are very good with trench gutters, foot deep etc.
mircea_popescu: fortunately the soil isn't very good. if it were the rich black stuff, that sucks a lot of water, forget about it.
mod6: sure, more sand like then?
mod6: ah. what's the power situation like? do they lose power often during the rain?
mod6: take a while to get it back on?
mircea_popescu: nah. it's pretty dirty but hey, you get inverters etc. otherwise, no, outage may be 10 minutes or such. they're just very serious, diligent people, drive up the hill fix it.
mod6: that seems reasonable.
mircea_popescu: way the fuck better than argentina, i'll tell you that. those idiots... god help them.
mod6: i think you had all you could stand of that place.
trinque: yeah, I found 'em friendly, helpful, and you could joke with them
trinque: no air of "someone's about to get offended"
trinque: which sad that this was noteworthy to me, but was
mircea_popescu: haven't seen good salesmen for a long while pre coming back here. you know that, BOTH a) not be obnoxious and b) talk to you. not one, or the other. fucking both.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i wasn't here for it, but one opf the places, tree fell over brought down power grid. ticoswarm, power back on 2 hrs later.
mircea_popescu: ~the inner limit for what something like that can reasonably take, i figure. so... yeah.
mod6: hell, sometimes a storm can come through here, knock down lines; the tree guys might have to clear debris, power guys gotta hook up new equip and lines, can take ~12-24 hours
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> standard kerosene is 46MJ/kg. the boeing carries about 63k liters, and kerosene density is about .82 << Aha, this seems to be a source of common misunderstanding. That Jet fuel is a kerosene "heating oil" and not a gasoline exploding oil
BingoBoingo: <shinohai> So there is this chick that calls herself "Lil Wafarin" on twitter sent me a message. When I casually asked why she chose rat poison as her nom de guerre, she goes ballistic. << BwAHAHAHAHAHAH
mod6: when i first moved into this place, the huge silver-maple tree was touching the high-wire during a storm. the branch actually caught fire in the rain. started to spread down the branch quite a ways...
mod6: i was like "well... umm... tree is ON FIRE... so call fire dept?"
mod6: so, did, they came and kept an eye on it until it went out on its own. but next day, they came and trimmed off the back half of the tree to clear for the line.
mod6: yah live tree. still is huge monstrosity in my back yard.
mod6: sounds like these highlines for residential service are somewhere between 300-600 volts
jurov: iirc in murica the lines have like 1-2kV and everyone has own transformer?
Framedragger: new chrome version supports "headless" mode for very easy and accurate archiving. i'm curious, would the forum tolerate the use of chrome in an archiving tool (if properly packaged and (to the extent it's possible - yes, limited, barf) sanboxed)?
☟︎ Framedragger: also not sure how easy it'd be to do the "have JS run, then save the resulting no-JS snapshot" thing (for having properly rendered copies without JS in them.)
a111: Logged on 2017-05-05 11:39 Framedragger: new chrome version supports "headless" mode for very easy and accurate archiving. i'm curious, would the forum tolerate the use of chrome in an archiving tool (if properly packaged and (to the extent it's possible - yes, limited, barf) sanboxed)?
trinque: Framedragger: iirc archive.is uses headless webkit
☟︎ BingoBoingo: In other idiotgeneering, Neighbors on the other side of the Mississippi are bitching and moaning about "OMG, towns [a,b,c] have had second 500 year flood in 18 months!!!" meanwhile only marginalized commentators are raising the issue of "Why did we let the Chesterfield valley get levees and suburbs?" Apparently people raising the issue that building levees for new construction turns meandring floods into energetic and giant log flume rid
BingoBoingo: es are the ones who don't know how the world works...
trinque: mircea_popescu: wget -R will suck down every URL it finds, js included
☟︎ mircea_popescu: hey, us public discourse is == marketing talk, and there's no marketing benefit in pointing out "real estate" is neither real nor valuavble.
mircea_popescu: trinque yes but not process and render it, is the thinking
trinque: ah if one wants some kind of preview before loading the archived site, yes, can't get that
mircea_popescu: why would anyone save the ajax pile of bullshit. "modern" web dev has no place in the present let alone to be preserved for the future.
trinque: so archive.is waits for the DOM to render, then what, serializes that back to HTML?
trinque: got it; was trying to understand why have a browser involved in the archiving
mircea_popescu: heck, if everyone forgot how to "web 2.0" tomorrow, this'd be a greater gain for human culture than the discovery of fucking penicillin.
trinque: sure. Framedragger meanwhile with a headless chrome will have all the attack surface anybody ever wanted
☟︎ trinque: will want to consider that as he puts things where
BingoBoingo: Oh my, Pam's going to find some dick with initiative!
trinque: ah you know what, that wasn't even the thing
trinque trying to recall whatever he used to jack chrome into emacs
ben_vulpes: that wouldn't lead to a node pegging 100% cpu, would it?
BingoBoingo: In other news, Canada is trying to start a Dairy trade war with US\
a111: Logged on 2017-05-05 15:14 trinque: mircea_popescu: wget -R will suck down every URL it finds, js included
trinque: and removing those tags > running the thing through a giant wad of browser
trinque: if the thing doesn't render readably without JS it was written by morons, and who wants to read anyway
☟︎☟︎ trinque: supposing someone does want to read, sure, doing this is the only means
ben_vulpes: how is one to hoist the morons upon their own words if they're only legible with js?
trinque: man I don't want to read every livejournal before condemning
trinque: the nuremberg that lasted eternity
ben_vulpes: and when nate silver tires of the archiving of his bad predictions?
a111: Logged on 2017-05-05 18:19 trinque: if the thing doesn't render readably without JS it was written by morons, and who wants to read anyway
trinque: I guess I remain unconvinced that I ever gained anything paying attention to them
trinque: but am not prepared to argue that's the general case
trinque: I see a bias of my own here, towards tuning out noise.
trinque: the archiving of them is indeed relevant to the historian
trinque: for archiving the few sane folks in same time period, no js required
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
trinque: diversity strengthens us (and fattens the budget)
mod6: ok will look in just a sec here.
mod6: thanks asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: psh why would anyone ever need more than one server
a111: Logged on 2017-05-05 18:19 trinque: if the thing doesn't render readably without JS it was written by morons, and who wants to read anyway
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i ordered a kubinetes book but got instead an ikea box.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: are you thick? it comes with instructions
mircea_popescu: yes but it put together a maschinengewehr 42 when i followed wthem
ben_vulpes: are you sure you're reading the romanian instructions and not the argentine ones?
ben_vulpes: also have you tried rebooting your cardboard
ben_vulpes: oh there's your problem, the broken pigeons hold it all together
ben_vulpes: plz rate if this answered your problem
mircea_popescu: i don't expect by now there's any relation whatsoever between the mouth-like organ and the arm-like organ of the vaguely organised amoeba colony.
mircea_popescu: odd, figured prominently in the previous "we need isp" installment.
trinque: could've been power outage and network segment refers to area of DC
mircea_popescu: on the strenght of the text as it is could just as well been guywith molotov for the same money.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ^^^ mod6 , ben_vulpes , trinque , et al -- complete gnat magics ^^^ << aha. thx.
mod6: fwiw, i don't emacs or whatever it is.
mod6: but, let's not worry about that for now, i got a working env on my side.
shinohai doesn't emacs either so all of last thread was lost on him.
mod6: asciilifeform: hey!! Thanks for the makefile :]
mircea_popescu: he;'s basically interested into losers BECAUSE losers.
BingoBoingo: And apparently US DOJ refuses to yeild to Trumpreich orders re:"What's a body of water?"
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> when we know what the 'great things' are -- reddit ? << Or local news bitching about how they plan to rebuilt their thrice washed out property, because apparently the watershed that took everything from you thrice did not bring enough pain to negate "good memories at the old house(s)"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Those exist in saner river proximity construction
BingoBoingo: Instead the vermin bitch and moan that the nest they keep building in the culvert keeps washing away