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danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-06#1578646 << he's aware of it, and he lives near me ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-06 21:10 mircea_popescu: pretty sure the guy reads the log with some sort of frequency.
mircea_popescu: !!up zKawaiiKittyz
deedbot: zKawaiiKittyz voiced for 30 minutes.
zKawaiiKittyz: :O
zKawaiiKittyz: hi, im new :#
zKawaiiKittyz: to life O_O
mircea_popescu: what do you do ?
BingoBoingo: Who is your daddy and what does he do?
mircea_popescu: or that.
zKawaiiKittyz: xD
zKawaiiKittyz: this is confusing, or maybe im not that smart XD
zKawaiiKittyz: Jk, I came here for special purposes, nothing more :3
BingoBoingo: But introductions help make the world go round. Let's play a game. It's called Who is your daddy and what does he do?
zKawaiiKittyz: What does that even mean?
BingoBoingo: It's a simple question.
trinque: "No one has ever asked me who I am before."
BingoBoingo: http://www.ew.com/article/2016/02/16/kindergarten-cop-2-trailer
BingoBoingo: I am the party pooper.
BingoBoingo: Anyways zKawaiiKittyz Here's a sample way to anwer the question: "My dad's a gynecologist, he looks at vaginas all day long"
trinque: same name is some kind of spam account on twitter
zKawaiiKittyz: who's name?
trinque: why, yours!
zKawaiiKittyz: another person copied me :(
zKawaiiKittyz: this has been a rising problem I've noticed -_-
shinohai: A problem solved quite well by following the instructions within these hallowed walls.
zKawaiiKittyz: ?
BingoBoingo: !!help
deedbot: http://deedbot.org/help.html
trinque: and the topic
zKawaiiKittyz: Well I can asue you I have no twitter with this name xD
trinque: so far your output has not differentiated yourself from it.
BingoBoingo: We don't even know if there is a you!
zKawaiiKittyz: I'm so confused, What did I do wrong?
jurov: you are unable to say who/what are you :)
BingoBoingo: You never answered one of "Who are you" or "Who is your Daddy and what does he do?" Pick a question and answer it.
zKawaiiKittyz: oh, I'm a cat xD
zKawaiiKittyz: :)
jurov: male or female?
zKawaiiKittyz: genderless
trinque finger hovers over the button
mats coughs
shinohai: Well at least he's not a tulpa.
zKawaiiKittyz: ?
asciilifeform: is this another eulora dirt-digger or what were those called
BingoBoingo calls on Dog
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is this one of yours ?
trinque: !!down zKawaiiKittyz
danielpbarron: typical n00b job is ord builder
trinque: "the internet is a place I make inane noises with other creatures to soothe myself"
trinque: got enough of those in logs
mircea_popescu: not afaik.
asciilifeform: and everybody knows there is no such beast as genderless cat !!
mircea_popescu: it's impossible to know, apparently the "hello i am joe of clan moe" is no longer taught in primary school.
mircea_popescu: but that said, i could use some new players.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/no-such-labs-snsa-november-2016-statement/ << Trilema - No Such lAbs (S.NSA), November 2016 Statement
asciilifeform: http://i.imgur.com/uByC0cK.jpg << in other...wtf
mircea_popescu: prolly art.
mircea_popescu: !!up EDLionX
deedbot: EDLionX voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-02#1576190 << dude... this thing... ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-02 11:32 Framedragger: totally recommend it, even if my film-recommendation-credit has run dry
mircea_popescu: i've never seen more reluctant male even among the actual mongoloids.
mircea_popescu: EDLionX so who might you be ?
EDLionX: oh hey
EDLionX: im just trying to import me gpg to deedbot
EDLionX: but its confusing the heck outta me
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-17#1568554 << like that. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-17 02:05 RodrigoBTC: !!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/po1v0/?raw=true
EDLionX: oh man thats even more condusing
EDLionX: im submitting my key to deebot
EDLionX: but it keeps telling me this:
EDLionX: Import failed for EDLionX.
mircea_popescu: what are you saying to it ?
EDLionX: !!register ----
deedbot: EDLionX is already registered.
EDLionX: oh what
EDLionX: that worked
EDLionX: and i had no idea how
mircea_popescu: !!key EDLionX
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/ucCLf/?raw=true
EDLionX: !!key EDLionX
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/FfofN/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: ok so there you go.
EDLionX: ok cool
EDLionX: thanks m8
mircea_popescu: don't mention it. so how is brunei ?
EDLionX: huh
EDLionX: now howd u know where im from
EDLionX: its fine
EDLionX: very hot though
mircea_popescu: magic and skills and shit
EDLionX: dayum
shinohai: Lulziest headline of today "Pablo Escobar's former hitman robbed in Medellin"
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/55CD9F30ACFFAF6583F74987FBF4CC60F05BF7145C543061E9F49F1C7DB83443 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1466...3029 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (5429.ovz-ssd9.hc.ru. RU)
asciilifeform: << lul
asciilifeform: 'Производитель перегородок «Орман» является ярким участником отечественного рынка современных конструкций, позволяющих отлично дополнить интерьеры офисных, частных и общественных помещений.'
asciilifeform: cube farms to order!1111
ben_vulpes: phf, jurov: thank you
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: is there an argument for vetoing out-of-hand a v/patch implementation that diffs at the sexpr level rather than the line level? ☟︎☟︎
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/12/circle-exits-bitcoinfiat-exchange-business/ << Qntra - Circle Exits Bitcoin/Fiat Exchange Business
BingoBoingo: In other fronts of Judaism vs Islam https://www.thefix.com/sugar-daddies-vs-recovery
ben_vulpes: https://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/2016/12/6/milking-the-iphone << nowhere mentioned "fancy-ass nixy laptops for hipster-ass rorbros" ☟︎
Framedragger: BingoBoingo: in the merkel article, s/Germans having been taking/Germans have been taking/ ? :)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that link dun werk! https://archive.is/lzImt ☟︎
jurov: ben_vulpes: i'd definitely like to see such thing. otherwise i don't get this obsession with marking stuff "halal" and "haram".
jurov: and preemptively, even more so.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi who beil cybart is ; but the article in question is spun copy, a notch under of the conceptual value of fanfiction and about on par with wikipedia articles.
mircea_popescu: anyway ; intel knows him, "one of the more accurate predictors of apple's earnings" ; guy's been announcing "apple building new company" bla bla for a year
mircea_popescu: more's the point : whatcha mean with the haram halal thing jurov ?
jurov: that everything must be categorized as forbidden or allowed
mircea_popescu: isn't this fundamentally the work of intelligence ?
jurov: if it works for you, cool. every time i tried to forbid somehing, turned out I was the fool.
mircea_popescu: well, but did you have a reasoning behind it ?
shinohai: We forbid you to forbid things.
mircea_popescu: c'est interdit a interdire lol.
jurov: what reasoning? on basis of experience, i concluded it won't work
mircea_popescu: ok, and so then when it did you learned something.
jurov: There's also possibility I misunderstood ben_vulpes, ofc.
mircea_popescu: well... what was he declaring haram ? i'm confused on that part.
jurov: he asked us to
mircea_popescu: ok, but what ?
jurov: "vetoing out-of-hand a v/patch implementation that diffs at the sexpr level rather than the line level"
mircea_popescu: ahahaha i thought you meant that apple pr piece, i was totally lost here.
mircea_popescu: well, technically he asked alf, so there is that. none of our bidnis :D ☟︎
jurov: heh
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/lQY71/?raw=true
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: soo... anyone want to sell me bitcoin for $100 paypal ? o.O ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'll do it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pgpgram re who/where
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/55CD9F30ACFFAF6583F74987FBF4CC60F05BF7145C543061E9F49F1C7DB83443 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1626...2569 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (5429.ovz-ssd9.hc.ru. RU)
mircea_popescu: works ty.
Framedragger: hundred bucks? ich verstehe nicht :O
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1578953 << theoretically v works exactly same with any diffing algo. but if you keep more than one type around, you gotta distinguish'em somehow, e.g., call your sexpr vtron's patches 'foo.lpatch' or similar ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 05:28 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: is there an argument for vetoing out-of-hand a v/patch implementation that diffs at the sexpr level rather than the line level?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'd recommend instead to use standard text formatting scheme (slime's, say) for all lispolade.
shinohai: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzE3NXGXEAEGh99.jpg <<< help Google with their keylogger
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1578982 << fuck i just got it. been too long. not a WHOLE btc. D'OH ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 13:23 mircea_popescu: soo... anyone want to sell me bitcoin for $100 paypal ? o.O
mircea_popescu: well no lol. some tiny fragment.
davout: #trilema, the temple of bitcoin finance
davout: :D
mircea_popescu: apparently.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1578956 << recall, they stopped making these recently. i literally bought ghe LAST one (2, actually, 1 for a relative) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 09:04 ben_vulpes: https://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/2016/12/6/milking-the-iphone << nowhere mentioned "fancy-ass nixy laptops for hipster-ass rorbros"
shinohai: #trilema-otc
asciilifeform: RIP, sorta-working-high-res-unix-lapppy.
asciilifeform: they are no moar.
asciilifeform: (can you picture using a box with no 'esc' key for text entry?!)
davout: esp. true for vimfags
asciilifeform: welcome, ben_vulpes , to the dour world of amd opteron et al, where 'working box is moarprecious than gold, because gold is merely an element in mendeleev table and you can always get more, but there will only get fewer boxes, and quickly'
Framedragger: asciilifeform: related: https://blog.pinboard.in/2016/10/benjamin_button_reviews_the_new_macbook_pro/
asciilifeform: Framedragger: aaah claasic
asciilifeform saw before , somebody linked
Framedragger: probably me on #b-a :p
mircea_popescu: anyway, the way "tech" works in the us aka sv is very simply : get the "hipster ass rorbros" on the wagon, then sell them out later for mass market. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: kinda the deep reason smart people are so very hesitant to join anything. which is all the better - a divided elite is how the plebs get to pretend they matter.
mircea_popescu: just like men clean up their kitchen to ensure their survival, just so fungi dirty up the kitchen, to ensure THEIR survival, and of the rats, cockroaches and other elements of the same ecosystem.
mircea_popescu: passive niche support is what the game is all about, because indirect effects overwhelm direct effects in nature.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/sad-times-in-the-fiat-empire-apparently-you-cant-give-the-dollar-away-these-days/ << Trilema - Sad times in the Fiat Empire - apparently you can't give the dollar away these days.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: nice message and all, but just fyi #bitcoin-otc seems still alive
Framedragger: dunno if they like you there tho
mircea_popescu: i couldn't care less, but sum up the trades for the day, do they come to $100 ?
Framedragger: (well, 'alive' as in there are nyms logged in.)
mircea_popescu: your thought process never ceases to amaze me :)
Framedragger: i've joined about the time you asked about ppusd, getting reminded via nostalgia. there was no interaction as of yet :p
Framedragger: maybe too early
mircea_popescu: hey, im sure they could buy lithuania
mircea_popescu: if apple could buy russia, why not.
Framedragger: heh
mircea_popescu: there are, after all, NYMS SIGNED IN
Framedragger: i'm just sayin', you didn't try hard enough :p
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, i can't hear you over the sound of worthless dollars sloshing around. what was that ? i didn't... try hard enough to find the real place where they don't have meat in exchange for rubles ?
Framedragger: i mean, it does seem pretty pathetic... plus, yknow, pay-"call me / charge me back some time"-pal
asciilifeform: and hey, monopoly does what it likes
mircea_popescu: moreover... why do you think a company would take bitcoin, but refund in fiatola ?
asciilifeform: if the next lappy comes with spiked anal cone, what, ben_vulpes won't buy? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: good money drives OUT the bad.
mircea_popescu: an; they know this.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if they're anything like the earlier 'bitpay' scam, they hold 0 btc
asciilifeform: and can only emit fiatola
asciilifeform: any btc they get hold of goes straight to waterfall
mircea_popescu: oh wait, the divisibility fallacy ? "the rat doesn't eat because the mouth doesn't hold on to any food!" ?
mircea_popescu: gimme a break.
asciilifeform: it was my understanding that this rat swallows, digests, and shits within three seconds
mircea_popescu: mno. all fiat companies are the same company, call it the united states department of business fronts.
asciilifeform: if they actually sold the coinz on the waterfall, and reddit chumpers have it nao, how would you picture them to disgorge it back ?
mircea_popescu: that they picked a specialist which handles bitcoin storage is not germane ; the rat also picked a specialist which handles the fats cycle, called a liver. this doesn't mean the rat dun eat, nor does it mean charcoal is cheese or vice-versa.
mircea_popescu: the rat's preference for cheese over charcoal is dispositive in the matter.
asciilifeform: why would they store it ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why not ? if bitcoin were weaker than fiat ?
mircea_popescu: it'd be good business.
mircea_popescu: you always want to pay in silver and be paid in gold. that's the rule ; that "nobody knows it" has little bearing.
mircea_popescu: grandfathers knew it.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1578953 << just fyi, while you can diff an intermediate ~state~ of an image as a sexp, common lisp's input is a ~character stream~. builtin dispatch ~mostly~ operates on forms (like #p #. (concatenate 'string "foo" "bar")), but not always, like #\; comment reads till end of line. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 05:28 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: is there an argument for vetoing out-of-hand a v/patch implementation that diffs at the sexpr level rather than the line level?
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: the notion is not so unlike "what if we diffed asts". it's a bad idea because now you want the "encoding".
diana_coman: !!key EDLionX
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/JvRoO/?raw=true
diana_coman: !!rate EDLionX hard-working euloran noob
deedbot hands you a broomstick.
diana_coman: !!rate EDLionX 1 hard-working euloran noob
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/YGSHQ/?raw=true
diana_coman: !!v 16E921C9EED8785749555E4189246AD80F3C8D73B85238CB53B861E5E208B760
deedbot: diana_coman rated EDLionX 1 << hard-working euloran noob
mircea_popescu: yeah that's a point.
mircea_popescu: !!rate EDLionX One of the sharpest Eulora noobs to date.
deedbot hands you a broomstick.
mircea_popescu: !!rate EDLionX 1 One of the sharpest Eulora noobs to date.
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/cEdMP/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: !!v 4E6B41AE30C2330D39F52ADE1A1C6553A9BA155B81D14BB865C6D452AD6D29CA
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated EDLionX 1 << One of the sharpest Eulora noobs to date.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/65F341354F31545C93BE093F7D772392E757E7F7379E2F1A43817607FBE671AF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1508...6879 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ns1.a-webhosting.cz. CZ)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A2C8FC5503BFD645E3509CCC14724B450F5A76F4BD4329A307F76444312ABDE0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1523...8373 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown GB)
mircea_popescu: part of all of this - "asciilifeform" "framedragged" will be permanently associated with "a list of derpy boxes" huh.
asciilifeform: could be worse.
mircea_popescu: i guess in time we'll find out exactly how :D
asciilifeform: ;rate asciilifeform -9999 singlehandedly responsible for reactor meltdown, made entire vicinity of betelgeuse unorbitable
asciilifeform: etc
asciilifeform: openssl s_client -showcerts -connect
asciilifeform: depth=0 C = XY, ST = Snake Desert, L = Snake Town, O = "Snake Oil, Ltd", OU = Webserver Team, CN = www.snakeoil.dom, emailAddress = www@snakeoil.dom
asciilifeform: lel
asciilifeform: << 'Watchguard Fireware'
asciilifeform: ^ new lultron
asciilifeform: http://www.watchguard.com << didjaknow.
mircea_popescu: i did not know
asciilifeform: 'Next-Generation Firewall Security on your terms, with enterprise-speed protection at the edge of your network. Unified Threat Management Maximum performance and security in an all-in-one appliance with built-in headroom.' etc. etc.
asciilifeform: i also did not know!
mircea_popescu: i don't think the boxes knew either.
asciilifeform: man in a nuthouse. he cowers in the corner, won't let anyone come near, in very odd pose. finally the d00dz in white coats come. they ask: ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: 'what do you think is happening' ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'i am an acorn'
asciilifeform: 'didn't we explain yesterday, that you are not an acorn? it's ok to walk in the park'
asciilifeform: 'well ~i~! know now that i'm not an acorn. but do THE SQUIRRELS know??????' ☟︎☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: aha!
asciilifeform: (incidentally almost every single nuthouse joke in existence is only half-funny to programmers, who live in it, in all of them...)
mircea_popescu: do you know the "why are you pulling that string" ?
asciilifeform: nein
mircea_popescu: "what'd you have me do, PUSH it ?"
asciilifeform: lul
mircea_popescu: speaking of fiat world : citibank had a branch in brunei since 1972 ; it was closed in 2014. hsbc is closing down. guess who received permission to open this spring ?
phf: bank of america?
mircea_popescu: eh who's letting the soviets in. no, no. bank of china.
phf: oh i was going to say cbc next
phf: "This is part of the group’s global review of businesses and represents a significant step in HSBCs goal to optimise its global network and reduce complexity outlined during the HSBC Investor Update on June 9, 2015." "optimise and reduce" huh
mircea_popescu: phf first they kicked out the us then the brits (historically colonial owner)
mircea_popescu: nato reich gradually being ghettoized, i dunno who the fuck will swallow this theory whereby you actually want to move banking out of brunei. what, world's richest state ? mmkay.
asciilifeform: will petrosultanates remain rich after nato army umbrella wanders away ?
mircea_popescu: you kidding, brunei has its own army! three companies! and own navy! five frigatges!
asciilifeform: will go in new jp empire.
asciilifeform: Sphere of Asian Coprosperity!111111
mircea_popescu: copro alright.
phf: "reduce group risk weighted assets by about US$290 billion" ... "we will be selling our operation in Turkey. We’ll also be selling our operation in Brazil, but plan to maintain a modest corporate banking presence to serve about 300 international clients in Brazil. We are actually going to keep Mexico" ... "So we moved away from the World’s Local Bank" ... "We’ve exited 15 countries, reducing from 87 to 73 so far, and whole lines of
phf: business exits – for example retail banking in Thailand – in 10 more countries."
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the us still pretends it doesn't know who or what the icbc is, as discussed last year and etc
mircea_popescu: "apple COULD buy russia ; meanwhile icbc bought south america"
mircea_popescu: and as per the "Won't fucking yield" disbelief, they'll go to their shallow grave kicking and screaming about how great the reich is and how black women matter or some dorkage.
asciilifeform: 'yield' means to go to same grave today instead of tomorrow. who the fuck yields.
mircea_popescu: there's exactly nothing that'd keep them from coming here and giving away the nuclear button to the l1. yes we'd butcher some daughters / most sons, but so what of it - some'd survive. even the cod knows this much, that the correct reaction is to throw the meat at the knife, rather than to try and protect it. ☟︎
asciilifeform: theoretically same 'nothing' kept germany from surrendering in '43
mircea_popescu: actually, post leningrad. correct move would have been conditional surrender mid august 1942.
asciilifeform: bbbbbut wunderwaffen!1111
mircea_popescu: mno. idiot planners always do this single-lobe bs.
mircea_popescu: THE MOMENT you slate august 9th for lavish banquet at astoria, YOU THEREBY ALSO slate unconditional surrender in any other case.
mircea_popescu: play with fucking real money wtf is this bs.,
asciilifeform: dunno that any of these folx have seen, touched, smelled real money.
mircea_popescu: sad.
mircea_popescu: and in other thinspiration / ana : https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/%D0%94%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F.jpg
mircea_popescu: notice that apparently, the tit goes last.
phf: Апатия истаявшей свечи... \ Все перечни и признаки сухие \ Того, что по-ученому врачи \ Зовут «алиментарной дистрофией» \ И что не латинист и не филолог \ Определяет русским словом «голод».
mircea_popescu: glod, evidently cognate, is "dirt" in romanian. not so much as the generative mud but as unwelcome dirt.
asciilifeform: 'В мире есть царь: этот царь беспощаден, Голод названье ему.' (tm) (r) (nekrasov)
pete_dushenski: http://archive.is/ISTTX << speaking of 'baffling' chinese behaviour in orclands, tourists invading kidlington uk, pop 13k.
mircea_popescu: http://thinintentionsforever.blogspot.com.ar/p/pro-ana-tips.html << check out the think btw. the deep carnal nature of the disorder/"disorder" (really, eat naked in front of a mirror ?) and the purely symbolic approach of the self-appointed healers in the comment section.
pete_dushenski: why kidlington ? close enough to london, quiet enough to be affordable, clean air, safe. what else could a pekingian want ?
mircea_popescu: THEY WONT FUCKING YIELD. exactly 0 approach for the actual issues involved, no you can't own your body, no you can't want actualities ; please consider THIS approach to a purely symbolic relationship with reality. oh, "imagining yourself as a 3yo" won't do it for you ? ok, ok, there's other layers of indirection available! pick one! YOU MUST PICK ONE!
mircea_popescu: control is verboten!
mircea_popescu: must has indirection! java good asm bad ; unicode good ascii bad ; usd good bitcoin bad ; "signal" "tor" whatever good rsa pgp etc bad and so on it goes. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: in brunei, porn is forbidden, fucking your wife is not ; in the us porn is acceptable, "marital rape" is a thing.
mircea_popescu is persuaded the whole story with imperial ideology is the mandatory indirection layer.
mircea_popescu: imagine, you're not allowed to pick up a woman and fuck her ; you're required to pay someone to pick women and fuck them and film the process and pass it to you!
asciilifeform: more subtly, they teach rubes to want certain impossible things -- 'central namespace', 'reversible money', 'transparent email crypto', various follies, that can only be satisfied with their particular dope supply
mircea_popescu: "professionalization" amirite. division of labour, am i rite. high tech!!!1
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect that's just natural fallout.
mircea_popescu: "could i have cubic sphere with this ?" "sure, why the fuck not." "ah ok then"
mircea_popescu: the amusing part being that given indirection layer, cubical sphere is entirely possible.
asciilifeform: aha, tracks eyes and where you look - it is flat.
mircea_popescu: however implemented ; it is after all why it's an indirection layer - so it lies.
mircea_popescu: indirection lier.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski maybe they were confused as to how "kid lick ton" translates into chinese ?
asciilifeform: btw possibly this village is a tourist trap because not yet allah-snackbar ??
mircea_popescu: the chinese don't have the soviet problem with sharia law from what i've seen.
asciilifeform: lolwut, they have whole west half of country corralled off for it, neh ?
mircea_popescu: individual people i mean
asciilifeform: and ~0 leakage save for the occasional machete hero
asciilifeform: well not necessarily 'have problem', but say a chinese d00d wants to visit actual britain, vs cairo
asciilifeform: possibly it lives in kid lick.
mircea_popescu: possibly!
asciilifeform: 'A three-bedroom semidetached house sells for about $430,000, local real estate agents say.' << lel just like suburns of washington
asciilifeform: (slightly, in fact, cheaper)
mircea_popescu: after argentina experience /me puts no value in room counts.
mircea_popescu: floor area plox.
mircea_popescu doesn't want to hear about how irrelevant island thinks itself special, "we don't use measurements here"
asciilifeform: university towns in usa are terrifying in this respect
asciilifeform: i toured a '5 bedroom' where each was the size of a large phone booth
phf: huuh two thirds of these ana recommendations are basic food hygiene, and how i've been eating for most of my life. the rest is a bit over the top, but doesn't look particularly bad
mircea_popescu: phf yes but i ignore those. the "be naked eating and watch yourself" thing is the clincher to my eyes, because WHEN the fuck does empire advise nudity ? never, not in "feel your boobs" public literature even
mircea_popescu: and moreover, when the fuck is it "try AND SEE what happens" a criteria ? no, the excuses are always there, "marks are so unfair" blabla.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1578958 << not that big of a lol. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 12:18 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that link dun werk! https://archive.is/lzImt
mircea_popescu: but that said - the article is plainly indicative of psychopatology of the systematizing persuasion ; whether it's actually clinically relevant or subclinical will have to be decided by the clinician attending the case.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/12/another-spam-tipping-service-emerges-to-fill-invisible-void/ << Qntra - Another Spam Tipping Service Emerges To Fill Invisible Void
phf: well, right, even if the practices are solid the "and see" part is not going to work, because seeing is broken
mircea_popescu: which is kind-of the point of this entire anorexia/bulimia thing : the subjective misperception.
mircea_popescu: it's just therapy is almost never successful because it is almost never willing to address the actual core of the problem - which is society, specifically, the impossibility of intelligent youth controlling things.
phf: right, the healers in the comments are basically happy inmates, telling her that everything's going to be ok as long as she sticks to prescribed pill regiment
mircea_popescu: regimen*
mircea_popescu: the sad truth of the matter is the mp trilemma. which reads like so :
mircea_popescu: you can have youths with two of three : a) "civilised world" native ; b) intelligent and c) not self-harming.
mircea_popescu: the exact nature of c) is often obscure ; but there are no exceptions.
phf: (i had a good result with a scale before. "here's a scale, write your weight daily in this calendar, in fucking killos, what the fuck" then every single complaint is brought back to the data, if actually intelligent start noticing disparity. "i'm FAAAT but the weight went down by a killo in the past two months, wtf" etc)
mircea_popescu: this isn't how it works.
phf: how come?
mircea_popescu: well if it worked then you could install a laughmeter on their ipad and any complaint of unhappiness would similarly be referred to the graph.
mircea_popescu: phf's anti-depression app.
mircea_popescu: in your own terms : the problem is hidden under the definition of "intelligence" ; now intelligent has been re-defined to mean "whatever it meant before + good response to the scale method"
mircea_popescu: whereas my intelligence is defined very much in low bio terms, as an antonym to sluggishness. entirely to how you score "lively" colts and puppies.
mircea_popescu: o wow, such a goldmine. check this out :
mircea_popescu: "People who have never had an eating disorder won't understand and yet they still feel the need to comment on people telling them they are wrong well no, we arent. I had an eating disorder and it was the most happiest I had ever been, the thought of not eating and not even being bothered was good, I was in control of something and things were how I wanted them to be, I was happy and now I'm over that I'm not happy I hate myse
mircea_popescu: lf I've put weight on and it was the worst thing that I have done and all for making other people happy!! If people are happy to starve themselves or make themselves sick then leave them be we dont need petty sly comments of people who have no idea what they are talking about."
mircea_popescu: "you'll die" "so will you" "yes but i'll die happy" "so will i". go ahead and settle the dispute, good heavens.
asciilifeform: wagner,cyanide, await.
asciilifeform: why interfere with these folx.
mircea_popescu: because as it is commonly the case, the only people who should still be here are the ones who died already.
mircea_popescu: the rest are the scum of the pack.
asciilifeform pictures a valhalla full of anorexic gurlz
mircea_popescu: very thin ryes.
asciilifeform: and somehow medieval flagellants also come to mind.
asciilifeform: they also liked 'control'.
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: plagues, i imagine, beget flagellants.
asciilifeform: there, and now.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, much to my vague meh, nobody seems to have caught on and started a study in terms of "modern domestic terrorists, medieval flagellants"
mircea_popescu: the similarities are striking, but i guess no humanities scholars left.
trinque knows a person who owns a weimaraner, thing paces in her back yard back and forth between back door and window so much there's no grass in the path, has various other compulsions ☟︎
trinque: in valhalla, it hunts bear
mircea_popescu: aha. hunt dogs kept by normies, worst curse.
trinque: it's awful
mircea_popescu: "whadda ya mean walk this dog means, 20+ miles! nobody can walk 20 miles!"
asciilifeform: i knew a d00d who got weimaraner, brought it to office, it gnawed chairs, pant legs
mircea_popescu: "bitch... you have no idea."
asciilifeform: i think i still have the pants with the hole
asciilifeform: incidentally happy perl harbour day, folx
asciilifeform sings 'kimigayo'
mircea_popescu: that's a holiday ?
asciilifeform: in gringolandia
asciilifeform: 'holiday'
mircea_popescu: meh, this is worst anthem. wtf.
mircea_popescu: laaa-laaaa-waaaank-laaaa-ndiiiiiaaaaaa
asciilifeform: 'tleast it's short!111
asciilifeform: circa 800 ad or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcUR6y6Kmkk << just as short ; much better music.
mircea_popescu: exact same conceptual framework, what with prinz karl erschinen etc.
asciilifeform adjusts pickelhaube
mircea_popescu: pity there's no hats with pickled gerkins.
asciilifeform: l0l
BingoBoingo: Yet!
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/7SE9E << somehow i missed this old noose. in re how nato does target practice on own boats.
asciilifeform: (july '16)
mircea_popescu: actually the taiwan harpoons are pretty good.
mircea_popescu: iirc nuclear capable even
BingoBoingo: In other foundations https://i.imgur.com/sDx1hyG.jpg
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is almost same as a photo i posted from under where i sit.
BingoBoingo: Oh shit
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-24#1307133 << thread ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-10-24 23:39 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/hz7j9hf << an equally-appealing photo i took today.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the one linked earlier, is yours ?
BingoBoingo: AHA, no not mine. Found on a "How not to do it" thread.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Anyways interesting detail was the giant hole in the foreground right next to the piers
asciilifeform: where
BingoBoingo: Where that all encompassing slope leads!
BingoBoingo: convenient place for piers to fail to.
asciilifeform: i see no pliers..
BingoBoingo: Not pliers, piers! The stacks of brick holding up the steel beams set on concrete piles from which surrounding dirt has been washing away.
BingoBoingo: That poor house is set to become something other than level in a period of time that depends on local rainfall.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/the-burial-and-the-impossible-object/ << Trilema - The burial ; and the impossible object.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lel i misread
asciilifeform: aaalso deedbot skipped a trilema?!
mircea_popescu: did it ?
mircea_popescu: no it's right there.
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2016/sad-times-in-the-fiat-empire-apparently-you-cant-give-the-dollar-away-these-days/ ?
shinohai: !~bcstats
jhvh1: shinohai: Current Blocks: {"blockcount":442390} | Current Difficulty: {"difficulty":286765766820.5504} | Next Difficulty At Block: None | Next Difficulty In: None blocks | Next Difficulty In About: None | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mircea_popescu: oh hm
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: lol. ANyways crawlspace is a way to put house on foundation. Crawlspace on slope is way to develop lot that will require debris removal during resale.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's in the log.
asciilifeform: hmm
thestringpuller: did you ever offload that $100 paypal?
mircea_popescu: yeah.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aah found it, nm
phf: i recently finished reading olympus/ilium scifi series by dan simmons, where one of the lines is Achilles becoming immortal (in the unable to die sense) because Paris is killed before he can deliver the arrow
mircea_popescu: did it have to be paris specifically for some reason ?
asciilifeform: his destructor never called, he sits around in the heap...
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: and eventually this becomes a regular thing and universe OOMs
mircea_popescu: this isn't how the greek lehmer sieve worked afaik.
phf: well, it being a scifi series achilles's immortality is one of the ways in which "quantum probability" something something "destruction of known universe"
mircea_popescu: funny (to me) how often "destruction fo known x" is an ontological rather than gnoseological matter.
phf: probably because the first one can be imagined and verbalized, where's the second one once understood for what it is already happened. doesn't allow for much action, with shooting and adventures and stuff
mircea_popescu: aha.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579135 << branch prediction good! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 16:42 mircea_popescu: must has indirection! java good asm bad ; unicode good ascii bad ; usd good bitcoin bad ; "signal" "tor" whatever good rsa pgp etc bad and so on it goes.
ben_vulpes: "i gave up on understanding processors a while ago"
ben_vulpes dies inside
ben_vulpes: "you know, if you can squeeze a tenth of a percent of a performance increase out of their chips over the course of your career there, you'll be sitting pretty with that dumptruck of printolade showing up at your house every two weeks!"
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1578978 << only because he wrote v ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 12:33 mircea_popescu: well, technically he asked alf, so there is that. none of our bidnis :D
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579032 << i have an entire vault of macbooks, odds that i'll buy more are ~0. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 14:31 asciilifeform: if the next lappy comes with spiked anal cone, what, ben_vulpes won't buy?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i thought you sold proggies for these, and was forced to use latest os etc
ben_vulpes: i have a vault of them!
ben_vulpes: latest os runs fine. today.
asciilifeform: aha and every couplea years they cut off the old iron
asciilifeform: (e.g. i have a 'mac air' here that won't go past 10.6)
ben_vulpes: by that time i think the coolies will be responsible for their own hardware, not me.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579050 << "image" as in "lisp image"? the reason i ask is because reindenting blocks of code for a multiple-value-bind makes unnecessary patch noise. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 14:50 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1578953 << just fyi, while you can diff an intermediate ~state~ of an image as a sexp, common lisp's input is a ~character stream~. builtin dispatch ~mostly~ operates on forms (like #p #. (concatenate 'string "foo" "bar")), but not always, like #\; comment reads till end of line.
trinque: clearly lisp comments are borken!
trinque kids, various other reader macros also violate the homoiconicity
phf: trinque: go write scheme, infidel
phf: ben_vulpes: yeah, lisp image. fwiw if you're trying to ignore whitespace (since you're going to lose that information in a sexp, unless you preserve that information, in which case you will have to patch it same way), then diff already does it: it's called ignore whitespace (-b or -w or -B depending on usecase)
ben_vulpes: is there a difference between ignoring whitespace and only examining the forms that changed?
trinque: sounds like it'd produce a patched item that is formatted incorrectly, which would suck
phf: well, it's fundamentally different things, but for your purposes it'll be different when there's information in whitespace. like say it's a form that has text in it, and you modify text inside that form, ec.
trinque: that also
phf: for all other cases it'll ignore the lines that have whitespace changes, but if you make a change that has whitespace change on one line, and then substantial change on another line, that relies on new whitespace, then yeah you get borked formatting
trinque: really, it's true that all those lines whose whitespace changed *did change*
trinque: their return will now be run through some other form, or now not, or whatever
trinque: same thing happens in well formatted C, if you say add an "if" where one was not
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, local power co notifies me that "in order to continue providing high level of services" etc they'll be installing a gasoline backup generator, which will result in two "very short" power interruptions.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didntcha have a marine diesel
asciilifeform: what gives
mircea_popescu: ostensibly they'll park theirs right next to mine, we can get a diesel generator burning tailgate party going
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suppose people who aren't me complained ? honestly i was half expecting they're actuallyoffering to buy mine.
mircea_popescu: (argentina being one of the few places where used machinery is valued above same machinery new, perhaps on a derivation of the medieval "woman with children worth more, proven functional cuntperl implementation", it might even have made business sense to sell it.)
mircea_popescu: phf nevertheless, it does say "AS WE KNOW IT". clearly it's a knowledge problem not a being problem neh.
mircea_popescu: "my mom as i knew her died the moment she hooked up with her old associates and went back to stripping."
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: by now you probably understood that 'diff sexpr' doesn't necessarily win, because, e.g., commonlisp sexpr can involve reader macros and look like, say, this -- http://www.loper-os.org/?p=103
mircea_popescu: moreover, v is about people and therefore it must work on the closest-to-people juncture.
asciilifeform: i was about to phrase it as 'output of v transformation must always remain obvious to kindergartener' but mircea_popescu has it.
ben_vulpes nods
phf: ben_vulpes: i don't know how to solve that problem, but "i know, sexp will help us!" is not. you basically need to redesign a bunch of things about reader, have a custom save format (that will look closer to (DEFUN FOO () (IF BAR QUX (PROGN ...)))). sexp nature will help you ~a bit~, but like mp said it's closer to "let's save AST", because sexp don't preserve nearly enough required info ☟︎
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=103&cpage=1#comment-3946 so we click on the "recommendation", find a 404. ty so much for recommending expiring licenses.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: diffing sexprs is an attractive idea for other purposes but it still gotta ~work~ with your lisp (and all conceivable readermacroizations thereof, which is harder)
ben_vulpes: "slap a license on it!!!"
mircea_popescu: society would be better served if buttslappers stuck to slapping butts
asciilifeform: lulzy link rot.
mircea_popescu: rather than being chased into... intellectual pursuits.
ben_vulpes: web dogs slap butts?
asciilifeform: http://copyfree.org/content/standard/licenses/ctl/license.txt << full, apparently, text.
mircea_popescu: no but their fathers did.
asciilifeform: it was a trololol.
phf: asciilifeform: i've seen people diff sexps for producing semi-automatic patches of live system. so like if you want to replicate the image code state across machines, can rig up some not-for-reading dumper
asciilifeform: 'Crowley Thelemic License Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the License.'
phf: that one warms my heart for sentimental reasons
asciilifeform: phf: one problem is that all lisps running on x86 have 'heathen' state
asciilifeform: that isn't adequately represented in a save-and-die
asciilifeform: (e.g., open unix fd's)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pity the thelema doods didn't put a card spade inside their figure, it'd have been a great gypsy-like icon
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579309 << the amusing observation lying in wait is that the difference between satoshi-style design and tmsr-style design evidently is that in the case of the former a prototype is hashed out and then much to everyone's surprise almost all ulterior ideas are actual improvements ; wheres in the case of hte later a prototype is similarly hashed out and then much to everyone's surprise almost a ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 22:11 phf: ben_vulpes: i don't know how to solve that problem, but "i know, sexp will help us!" is not. you basically need to redesign a bunch of things about reader, have a custom save format (that will look closer to (DEFUN FOO () (IF BAR QUX (PROGN ...)))). sexp nature will help you ~a bit~, but like mp said it's closer to "let's save AST", because sexp don't preserve nearly enough required info
mircea_popescu: ll ulterior ideas aren't.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579283 << ben_vulpes please consider posting the example of this you ran into ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 21:46 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579050 << "image" as in "lisp image"? the reason i ask is because reindenting blocks of code for a multiple-value-bind makes unnecessary patch noise.
asciilifeform: i'd like to see.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: all in due time
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in all fairness, i massaged 'v' quietly for quite some time before posting
mircea_popescu: so did satoshi.
asciilifeform: neither i nor afaik anybody else knows what satoshi did prior to posting
asciilifeform: possibly wrote whole thing in one weekend, and with vodka
phf: mircea_popescu: i really hope i'm not preventing ben_vulpes from hacking, i have a few previous failed attempts at doing this though
mircea_popescu: not so, according to knowledge that i guess may have expired meanwhile.
mircea_popescu: phf i wouldn't worry about it.
ben_vulpes: ^
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: expand plox re the 'expired knowledge'
mircea_popescu: most of the honest (as oposed to gavinous) people originally involved with the project went away quietly.
phf: but so that it's not just noise, here's one thing that i used as a jumping point, http://foldr.org/~michaelw/log/programming/lisp/diff-sexp there's also a cmu archive of differs, including a working common lisp diff implementation (with a different output though) http://www-cgi.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/project/ai-repository/ai/lang/lisp/code/tools/src_cmp/0.html
mircea_popescu: for instance, everyone thinks of theymos as "tardstalk owner", except that forum was made by sirius ; and was quite acceptable before it went to shit.
ben_vulpes: www-cgi
ben_vulpes: tight
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: btw if you are writing a differ, familiarize yourself with needleman-wunsch algo, most extant difftrons for some reason unknown to me do not use it
mircea_popescu: actually, even if you aren't writing a differ.
asciilifeform: (it is a pretty good levenshtein-minimizer, if you will)
phf: ben_vulpes: that archive has like dozen of access points, half of them regularly disappearing, a project for a lisp aficionado would be to archive it before it disappears completely ☟︎
ben_vulpes: wow cool 2 assignments in as many seconds
phf: :D
mircea_popescu: blame canada.
asciilifeform: speaking of!
asciilifeform: 'Dear Internet Archive Patrons, We need your help to make sure the Internet Archive lasts forever. On November 9, we woke up to a new administration promising radical change. This is a firm reminder that the Internet Archive must also design for change. So we set a new goal: to create a copy of our collections in the Internet Archive of Canada. This will cost millions. For us, it means keeping our cultural materials safe, private an
asciilifeform: d perpetually accessible. It means preparing for a Web that may face greater restrictions. It means serving patrons when government surveillance may be on the rise. The Internet Archive is a non-profit library built on trust. Reader privacy is very important to us, so we don’t accept ads. We don’t collect your personal information. .... [snipped bs]'
mircea_popescu: fuck 'em.
asciilifeform: the sheer...
mircea_popescu: built on "trust", the non-crypto, anon version of trust.
mircea_popescu: hurr.
mircea_popescu files the "mp again picked the right horse" and forgets "internet archive" even existed.
phf: can also use zhang-shasha "editing distance between trees" algo http://epubs.siam.org.sci-hub.io/doi/pdf/10.1137/0218082
asciilifeform: re 'trust', oblig orlol, ' Trust is transactional: a person needs a reason to trust you, and you need a reason to trust that person. There is, however, such a quality as trustfulness: this is the property of small children, tame animals and, most unfortunately for them, many regular, salt-of-the-earth, mainstream Americans. It is of negative survival value in the context of financial collapse. It is being exhibited for all to see by
asciilifeform: some of the people who recently lost money when MF Global stole it to cover some private bets it had made. They licked their wounds, complained bitterly, and then...went looking for another financial company—to be taken advantage of again. '
asciilifeform: ( http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2013/04/the-untrustworthy-and-trustful.html )
mircea_popescu: chumpness is a resource.
asciilifeform: sure is
mircea_popescu: trusfulness, as it were.
mircea_popescu: trusefulness*
mircea_popescu: anyway, he's wrong re "negative survival value". the fitness value (correct term) of bovine behaviour is uncomputable, because http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579116 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 16:04 mircea_popescu: there's exactly nothing that'd keep them from coming here and giving away the nuclear button to the l1. yes we'd butcher some daughters / most sons, but so what of it - some'd survive. even the cod knows this much, that the correct reaction is to throw the meat at the knife, rather than to try and protect it.
asciilifeform: the fitness value of getting into the first black van that offers the proverbial candy -- is computable.
mircea_popescu: not so. what if i happen to be running the first and you end up my main bitch ?
asciilifeform: what if asteroid falls.
mircea_popescu: the dispute is "computable"!
mircea_popescu: yes, it can be bounded.
asciilifeform: 'I wrote this email recommending bitcoins to Dmitry on June 18th, 2011, I hope he is rich now, since Bitcoins are up 4000% since then...' << a particle of lultronium from the comments
mircea_popescu: amusingly, ~none of the early bright minds are rich now.
asciilifeform: you mean the avaricious idiots who insisted on 'investing' in imaginaries ?
mircea_popescu: wasn't the prb devteam announcing dismal holdings last they talked about it ?
asciilifeform: (' i have 10,000,001 unpilferable cryptotronic magic coin; what to do now? I KNOW! i'll trade'em all in for PROMISES and HOLOGRAPHICALLY SEALED TURDS ')
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: last i recall, prb was 100% mit-powered
mircea_popescu: buterin was circling bitcoin (as an outsider) a coupla years before you showed up. where's his millions ?
mircea_popescu: same repeats for all the various bright minds in their own / reddit's estimation.
asciilifeform: quite truly i have nfi what precisely happened before i tuned in ( and even during; the record is not so great )
asciilifeform: but i also see no reason to think that the mega-wealthy folk publicly advertised their stashes
asciilifeform: ( why ?? )
mircea_popescu: the problem with smart kids who have the misfortune to be born to english speaking whores is that they're taught to not want to rape anything.
mircea_popescu: what sort of idle knowledge this is and whom it serves we shall not discuss ; but it does make them inept for life.
asciilifeform: from my perch it looks opposite, they are busy round the clock raping one another
mircea_popescu: i did say any~thing~. they're ecologists, they just want to imagology.
mircea_popescu: none of that last century "by god i will dig this mountain up and reshape it as a pineapple" piss and vinegar feelin' left.
mircea_popescu: "gotta get along", "will take a picture of me in front of this strangely pineapple-shaped mountain" etc.
asciilifeform: 'We don't do that anymore. Any of it.' (uncle al, of course. http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/gasoline.htm )
mircea_popescu: now, that they let the mountains be could be excused,
mircea_popescu: but they also don't perceive any burning need to spend all their money on $2 btc.
mircea_popescu: quoth the woman "my children are dying!" quoth the man "good, you'll make others."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: same folx happily blew their money on $2 (etc) alt-turds
mircea_popescu: do you know why ?
mircea_popescu: guess why!
asciilifeform: same reason why the bitcoinists bought $2/btc ?
mircea_popescu: because... let this sink in, ~~~BECAUSE~~~ the alt-turds offered a ready, indefeasible excuse to NOT seriously invest, to the degree of starving the children.
asciilifeform doesn't quite grasp subj
mircea_popescu: unthreateningly, "coupla bucks, who knows" is the exact name of the demon.
asciilifeform: sooo the various 'omfg i lost my car and house' ethertards etc were confabulating ?
mircea_popescu: the discussion here was from the get-go limited to "engineering" "intellectual" "bright minds".
asciilifeform: or how about the folx who bought into btc just in time to get nailed by mtgox
asciilifeform: hm
trinque: hi!
mircea_popescu: i have no interest in the misguided speculations of reddit as such, they're not a demographic as much as a random number machine.
mircea_popescu: hola trinque
ben_vulpes: in other dimitris https://www.meetup.com/The-Decentralized-Web/?from=ref
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: who's that
mircea_popescu: i was about to ask what am i looking at.
ben_vulpes: nobodies! having meetups!
ben_vulpes: https://twitter.com/dryajov
mircea_popescu: good for 'em.
ben_vulpes: inb4 nonperson
asciilifeform: wai am i looking at this-here set of nobodies instead of that-there
asciilifeform: (that-there ad infinitum)
mircea_popescu: this isn't one of those west coast things that'll burn down in a final, desperate attempt of the participants to make the evening news, is it ?
mircea_popescu: "burning man" suddenly a lot more psychanalizable than one'd care to.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this mazepath is grand
asciilifeform: they are all pretty great imho.
asciilifeform: and iirc mircea_popescu got an uncleal.tar.gz at some point.
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: (they, funnily, are all on the man's www, but not indexed, every time i grep the local copy and look for same filename on his www, it's there...)
mircea_popescu: i'm happy to report the auto-archiver works!
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/gasoline.htm << neato
mircea_popescu: "In 2003, massive cabals of Enviro-whiners are suing petroleum companies for contaminating the global environment with methyl tert-butyl ether. MTBE was the "oxygenate" for which Enviro-whiners massively sued petroleum companies, demanding it be added to gasoline. MTBE is an EPA priority carcinogen. Enviro-whinerism: expensive, shoddy, deadly." << quite exactly how the bullshit works, and worked, in all parts.
mircea_popescu: in other random, http://www.thejohnwilkesclub.com/2013/07/23/revisiting-the-essay-on-woman-scandal/
asciilifeform: http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/12/the-magic-of-polaroid-and-how-i-rescued-it-from-oblivion/ << linked somewhere from mircea_popescu's random
mircea_popescu was never much of a fan.
asciilifeform: https://www.justice.gov/usao-mn/tom-petters-case-summary << somehow i slept through this
mircea_popescu: gotta sleep sometime!
asciilifeform: http://www.polaroid.com/products/onestep-600-instant-camera << holy fuq i had nfi these were still made. i have only ever seen'em at junk shops
asciilifeform: possibly whole thing is a 'nostalgia' play
asciilifeform: rather like the usb vinyl-record players etc.
phf: asciilifeform: they are popular at dodgy events, because "only copy"
asciilifeform: promisetronic!1111
asciilifeform: (sell polaroid-with-seeeekrit-digicam, ???, profit!11111111)
mircea_popescu: the argument is not without some merit, legions of 1960s aspie hos were flattered by the "unique, just like you" gate to pornography.
phf: well, sell polaroid-with-seeeekrit-digicam destroy that whole segment
phf: actually promisetronic to the max, since you don't even have to surrender the photo. something about the Polaroid part implies that you're not live streaming it to pornhub
mircea_popescu: https://blog.pinboard.in/2016/07/pinboard_turns_seven/ << in other lulz.
mircea_popescu: summary : "guy with no business model and no investors running some pointless web shit claims to make 10k a month from it somehow"
mircea_popescu: (basically delicious re-done, and we all recall how that went. or no wait, was it magnolia ? right it was magnolia. anyway.)
deedbot: http://www.dianacoman.com/2016/12/08/the-impossible-chances/ << Ossasepia - The Impossible Chances
phf: he's got "sign up for $11/year" so if he has 11000 paying subscribers?
mircea_popescu: something like that.
mircea_popescu: note that a) facebook doesn't have 11k paying subscribers ; and that yahoo sacked delicious. it's rare dying things like yahoo terminate items that make money.
mircea_popescu: heck, if they LOSE money slower than the whole shebang loses money the people involved tend to be promoted
mircea_popescu: such is the rule at say alphabet ; microsoft ; etcetera.
mircea_popescu: that said, he does have stroing support in the sprawling i-wanna-be-a-writer collective, which may actually contain 10k who can part with $10 a year (if not the same 10k each year, still) ; and if he keeps a tight lid on costs it may well work.
phf: i went looking if marco arment has published any stats for when he was running instapaper (it was $3/mo for paying subscribers and perhaps somewhat more useful) and instead found https://marco.org/2016/11/11/letter-to-young-people
mircea_popescu: phf i suspect the entire business model is "get archive.is for pay because you don't google too well".
asciilifeform: hey that doesn't differ so much from rest of the shitware industry now does it.
mircea_popescu: "but we did fix most of it" AHAHAHAHAHA omfg. name ONE THING mulatto-in-chief fixed. i wish to hear this wonder, the one item.
mircea_popescu: leftards always go in general about bahamas. name the fucking item he did right, ever. what was it.
asciilifeform: blacking
mircea_popescu: "Most people in the world are good, and want to be good to each other. Whether they vote that way or not, far more Americans believe in progressive, liberal, inclusive views than regressive, aggressive, conservative ones. Young people know this better than anyone, because young people are overwhelmingly liberal, even more than older people. That’s not because you’re inexperienced — it’s because you’re right." << hur
mircea_popescu: r. it is STRICTLY because young people lived on the dole much more than old people ; and so believe more in dole. many of them for complete lack of any understanding whatsoever that "milk doesn't come from supermarket" and equivalent.
mircea_popescu: anyway, we agree : hang in there.
mircea_popescu: phf asciilifeform as per your understanding of folk logic, could Кощей have kept the needle anywhere ?
phf: probably not, requires a descent/ascent into the cave for the development of hero's journey. so couldn't keep it in his private study or kept some complicated opsec routine with fake needles and multiple storages and rotations, because that would take it out of realm of mythical
mircea_popescu: my idea is that it being an ontology (as distinct from and very much opposed to a technology) such is entirely out of the question.