a111: Logged on 2016-12-03 23:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in re
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-06#1515745 << we've completed tests and confirmed we can actually link ada code. i'm thinking, prolly the best way is to make an official and definitive tmsr-rsa ~in ada~ as a v root ? or hows's your general numeric thing coming along and more importantly what's it written in ?
mircea_popescu: a small one with which you pee and a bigger one with which mrs neighbour brushes her teeth ?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-03 23:35 mircea_popescu: 2nd generation immigrant, sold edonkey to barnes&noble, sold okcupid to iac, will sell his highschool sweetheart if it comes to that or no more starbucks.
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BingoBoingo: "The idea for these arrests came from something called the Minneapolis Police Experiment (MPE) of 1981-82. In the experiment police offices were given pads with one of three words written on them... The results show counseling resulted in a future assault in 24% cases, send was 19%, and the arrest option resulted in a future assault in only 10% of the cases. Perhaps a cheap way of cutting down future domestic violence."
mircea_popescu: yeah, arresting all the dudes women bitch about is going to result in a very cheap way to cut down on complaints once teh muslims move in.
shinohai: The narcissist is surprised to see their reflection in the pool.
mircea_popescu: they're always cute, "oh, someone thinks we're retarded ?!? HOW COULD THIS BE!"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: not particularly robustly, at the moment. when the log-follower observes a line containing REORGANIZE, it re-dumps from the head of the chain back 20 blocks
ben_vulpes: once the sqlization is complete it'll have the smarts to only reload the blocks that actually reorg'd out from underneath it.
ben_vulpes: that said, i occasionally check my logs for reorgs and have yet to see one
ben_vulpes: man should never misplace his eggplant
ben_vulpes: heh, today i learned the unitards are so fully vested in the anti-sex brigade that U+1F346 or ðŸ†if my client doesn't mangle it, goes by the name of /aubergine/
☟︎☟︎☟︎ ben_vulpes: relatedly, there are interesting fault lines at work in the left: anti-sex activists masquerading as feminists (see the CoC mentioning "sexualized language") vs the rad-fems who are cooking a whole pile of wtf for the left's pet "feminists" on the topic of "but i love cock and babies and mothering and what precisely is wrong with that and no you chicks with dicks can't come to my moon party"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes even that is two different heads attached to an improbable ettin. there's the slut-feminists, who love the cock and want to basically be the slaves of men they choose ; and the lesbian-feminists (usually abused teens that never got over it) that hate the cock and don't want cocks to exist but insist on stuffing their vagina with you know, rubber dolphins and etc.
BingoBoingo: Why is Apple pie American when Apples are other?
mircea_popescu: then there's the group that thinks procreation === driving to work ; and the mommy blogger types. then there's...
mircea_popescu: more fault lines than wrinkles on susan sarandon's ass.
BingoBoingo: The feminist divisions also serve as useful sorting fabric for how beta is your male feminist.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : the "complete record" of an unicode symbol is... 102 entries. most of which are boolean, and most of which are entirely haphazard randomness such as "soft dotted ?" and "expands on NFD" etc.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what means "procreation === driving to work" ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo male "feminist" seems to be without exception fat dork trying to value signal, either because stuck in friend zone or because stuck in forever alone.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes as opposed to bycicling, because car pooling is not enough. omygerd you are killing the planet and dolphins.
mircea_popescu: or wait, the dolphins are no longer fashionable i guess ? what is it now, whales ? or too shitlordy ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure, but how they react to different camps can signal whether they are fat aspie ideologue or pliable 4evar-alone lashing out for social approval
mircea_popescu: actually dolphins seem to be the #1 zoophiliac fantasy in females.
ben_vulpes: whales still satisfy the need to help without the time-reactivity that would show results of 'helping'
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: tastes great with "i just want to be a mermaid"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i suspect it's more of the same "i want to want something i can't get because i want to want". horses and dogs more accessible, but horses are very much a showoff thing and dogs well... the afficionados tend to keep it quiet and get rammed often.
BingoBoingo: ^ lol at hipster derps artisticly thumbing nose at fire code
ben_vulpes: the wanting to /be/ a horse only sticks until girly figures out what kind of 1500 cc vibrator her parents strap her to after school
mircea_popescu: dude, isn't 40 the kil lcount of that florida gay club dude ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, 10 short of florida dude
BingoBoingo: Nah, seems to just be shanty town built shoddily inside warehouse. Caught fire as expedient housing tends to.
BingoBoingo: But because pretentious thing called "artists studios" and not "indoor slum"
mircea_popescu: the whole "downshifting" subculture is headed for a serious collision with the bureaucratic tradition. from the etsy "textile creator" and "vintage" "reclaimer" all the way to lazy bums generally there's this entire "we don't need no exit paths wtf are fire extinguishers 50 to the room is good man because we can't just walk up to a girl and tell her to strip and dance". serious fire hazard to say the least.
mircea_popescu: i dunno if you've seen how the "aware", couch-surfing, backpacking, burning-manning redditard lives, but it is most reminescent of the warsaw ghetto cca 1916.
BingoBoingo: AHA, either that or they form "nuclear" family in suburban house populated by "family" of 5 unrealted dudes.
BingoBoingo: Because apartments are expensive or some shit.
mircea_popescu: except the suburban houses keep getting torn down to make room for higher density rats' nests.
BingoBoingo: Suburban houses are frequently converted to rats nests by changing occupants
mircea_popescu: in the end, through whatever means, they do the same thing, and the problem is slowly growing and getting noticed. just another one of the countless and uncountable ways in which the us becomes ungovernable for the usg.
mircea_popescu: it's very strictly speaking a transfer of raw, unadulterated power from the bureaucrats to random anonymous gurus and other populist figures. that trump stole hillary's cake is one thing ; but that the ability of usg department to dictate discrete behaviour in regards to whatever topic is decaying because the ability of joe videoblogger's ability to dictate same is increasing... now that smarts.
mircea_popescu: that the niggers won't listen to usg is one thing - they get the TB treatment (body reaction to koch's bacile is to build walls, literally of calcar, around bacile ghettos in the lungs). who cares, 10% of the pop and concentrated in the poor south / poor urban areas. but by now the hippies don't listen either ? young whites ? that's becoming dangerous.
mircea_popescu: and the whole scam of "well they will listen if we run in front of them and try to guess which way they're headed and pretend to be pointing exactly that way ourselfes first so there nyah!" only goes so far. eventually they start going really stupid ways, such as.
mircea_popescu: supposedly 3.3 hp/lb/hr, which translated from the idiotic idiotarian units would be over 50% efficiency.
mircea_popescu: (to properly math 3.3*745.7 = 2460.81 watts of work for 47 * 10**6 / 2.20462 / 3600 = 5921.90742874 watts of burned off fuel. that's 41.5% which is still pretty remarkable, around the upper bound for a large 4stroke.)
BingoBoingo: most contemporary lawn mowers have moved on to 4-cycles. 2-cyle however dominates the more noble string trimmer.
mircea_popescu: the odd truth is that electric engines are much better at small and high loads. the combustion engine has it's niche, but it's strictly car sized.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: which is why diesel-electric trains still go to this day.
mircea_popescu: or why diesel subs still use electric engines to power the shaft.
BingoBoingo: This is very true. The lawn niche where electric consistently still loses to gas is blowers and blowers lose to strong back and a rake.
BingoBoingo: Except where blower is reversible for vacuuming and chewing debris where electric wins again.
mircea_popescu: blowers are the most fucking retarded nontool, above even kitchen robots. (which no, aren't "work saving", competent woman beats it out of water in all domestic cases).
mircea_popescu: ever seen one of those tiny ballot making sucker things ? get your leaves packaged ready to go into compost.
pete_dushenski: and don't even get me started on blowers. they're worse than scooty puffs as far as motorised sensitory offenses.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Yeah. On hard surfaces broom wins. On turf rake wins.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Blowers are great for stotting
pete_dushenski: i've even been using a broom on the light dustings of snow we've been graced with this fall. big fan for the drier, powdier varietals of the flakey stuff.
BingoBoingo: ANd they are not sensory offenses. They are sensory aggression. They are a challenge to all who hear their roar.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Nah, to the neighbors. You are daring them to MAKE you quiet that shit down.
pete_dushenski: i'd argue that blowers are slave 'empowerment' tools and little else besides.
BingoBoingo: And yes, this means you invite the neighborhood to beat you down if you can't back up your blower's roar.
pete_dushenski: like all 'empowering' devices. they do ~jack shit but they FEEL phenomenal for the user. at least that's my impression. god help me if i ever find myself using a blower first-hand.
pete_dushenski: canadians are too nice and middle class to even SAY they object to blowers. so... they persist.
pete_dushenski: btw mega-logs yesterday, still hammering my way through trilema commentary ;)
pete_dushenski: poor dpb is right. that attack dog side of trinque is sumtin fierce! fun to see.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: caught the 'commie is someone who doesn't drive a v8' reference! 'grand tour' was finally released in canada and i caught up this weekend. skipped most of ep2 but had a fair few chuckles throughout 1&2.
pete_dushenski: and i gotta agree that v8 is defo the king. the queen and prince would be i6 and v12, just not sure the orde tbh. but these are the most readily encountered configurations that are inherently balanced, which results in smoother firing sequences and less vibration. i4 and v6, which are found in >90% of new cars sold. v8 is only ~5% of new cars (trucks obv. have much higher uptake of larger engines).
ben_vulpes: i figured you might catch that and find it amusing, pete_dushenski
ben_vulpes: same goes for mircea_popescu and the very very long depreciation schedule
jurov: ben_vulpes what is that? You were dumping /dev/random for 48 days straight and got only 8MB data?
☟︎ jurov: When dieharder has to rewind them so many times, obv it finds some problems
a111: Logged on 2016-12-04 06:17 pete_dushenski: and don't even get me started on blowers. they're worse than scooty puffs as far as motorised sensitory offenses.
thestringpuller: !~later tell pete_dushenski shit. first you get circle of life stuck in my head, now i'll be watching the why of fry...
jhvh1: thestringpuller: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-04 05:07 ben_vulpes: heh, today i learned the unitards are so fully vested in the anti-sex brigade that U+1F346 or ðŸ†if my client doesn't mangle it, goes by the name of /aubergine/
a111: Logged on 2016-12-04 06:16 pete_dushenski: ^as requested
pete_dushenski: pretty sure i pumped out 2014 y-i-r in late november so dec 3 ain't so bad.
pete_dushenski: just sold the is300 this morning on its first showing and fifth day on sale, have an appt to rent out a condo shortly here. looking to go 2 for 2 on the day. abc baby!
a111: Logged on 2016-12-04 17:03 phf: 🍆
phf: i'll go with "if my client doesn't mangle it" part
mircea_popescu: phf there seem to be 3 layers of manglizing. yours above i saw both as a square with numbers, so i suspect your irc client fucks it up ; mine above is fucked up differently (looks like byte-interpreted rather than unicode) and then the scarfer/www displayer prints them out correctly but a111 reads them eggog'd.
shinohai: Mine doesn't show them in regular weechat, but the webclient attached to it does b/c js
mircea_popescu: this self-licking icecream cone has the capacity to keep coders entertained for multiple lifetimes.
phf: mircea_popescu: you see above as square with numbers because that's a unicode convention for missing font symbol
phf: but log never the less interprets, stores and passes through correct unicode
mircea_popescu: in the case you tested, yes. in the case i tested, the log seems to, judging by the www part, but the bot quoting in chan doesn't, judging by the transform. like :
shinohai: what about this retardedness ....
a111: Logged on 2016-12-04 17:12 mircea_popescu: ðŸ
phf: this happens because of the often discussed latin-1 fallback. "by convention" irc lines are interpreted as "utf-8 and if that fails latin-1"
phf: well, a111 takes a pill against the convention. otherwise you get the mangled lines in log rendering for all the latin-1 posted content
phf: the log website ~and the bot~ render everything as unicode, because you can't mix multiple encodings in rendering. before rendering a decision needs to be made about the validity of original content. the validity check is "if this is not valid utf-8, then assume it's latin-1, in which case take latin-1 string and encode it as utf-8"
mircea_popescu: so now, you're telling me the XY vs XZ line happens because... i pass latin-1 ? then why is Z there.
phf: what was the original byte sequence you sent?
mircea_popescu: this all started because ben_vulpes sent unicode for /augergine/ which was displayed differently by btcbase.org and a111 in channel.
phf: sure, and that works. sending utf-8 byte sequence for u+1f346 is correctly preserved through (which is also the case for all the other unicode that's being sent, like thumbs up)
mircea_popescu: except it isnt : the website shows ðŸ�†if whereas a111 says ðŸ†. these two will appear the same in the btcbase log, but i trust you see them different in terminal ?
☟︎ phf: well, it isn't in a sense that ben_vulpes sent a sequence of bytes that can't be parsed as valid utf-8
phf: what a111 should say should be identical to what the website says though, let me check
a111: Logged on 2016-12-04 05:07 ben_vulpes: heh, today i learned the unitards are so fully vested in the anti-sex brigade that U+1F346 or ðŸ†if my client doesn't mangle it, goes by the name of /aubergine/
mircea_popescu: not the right bytes, not even the right byte count, and now i suspect this is enough for priviledge escalation in a111 or any other item which uses the same unicode libs.
phf: i can't actually find anywhere where website is ~producing~ that second sequence (besides your own lines)
phf: a111 is producing the first sequence on the wire
a111: Logged on 2016-12-04 05:07 ben_vulpes: heh, today i learned the unitards are so fully vested in the anti-sex brigade that U+1F346 or ðŸ†if my client doesn't mangle it, goes by the name of /aubergine/
mircea_popescu: it just said (in part) : U+1F346 or C3B0C29FC28DC286if
a111: Logged on 2016-12-04 17:28 mircea_popescu: c3b0 c29f c28d c286 becomes c3b0 c5b8 efbf bde2 80a0
mircea_popescu: it was expected to say (in part) : U+1F346 or C3B0C5B8EFBFBDE280A0if
phf: well, that's what i'm saying is that i can't find the second ("expected to say") sequence anywhere on btcbase
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: heh, today i learned the unitards are so fully vested in the anti-sex brigade that U+1F346 or 🍆if my client doesn't mangle it << pasted from page source of the log
mircea_popescu: U+1F346 or &#xF0;&#x9F;&#x8D;&#x86;if << pasted from... archive.is version of btcbase log
phf: so apparently cl-who's escape-string which produces the ð... bits simply takes character's char-code which in sbcl corresponds to character's unicode code point
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu</a>: ðŸ vs ðŸ << from your source.
phf: and the original sequence that ben_vulpes sent ~can~ be parsed as valid utf-8, so it gets mapped to some code points and rendered a such.
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu</a>: except it isnt : the website shows �if whereas a111 says 🍆. these two will appear the same in the btcbase log, but i trust you see them different in terminal ?
phf: where does the website show the first sequence anywhere?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-04 17:25 mircea_popescu: except it isnt : the website shows ðŸ�†if whereas a111 says ðŸ†. these two will appear the same in the btcbase log, but i trust you see them different in terminal ?
phf: mircea_popescu: but that was pasted by you!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes</a>: heh, today i learned the unitards are so fully vested in the anti-sex brigade that U+1F346 or 🍆if my client doesn't mangle it
mircea_popescu: the other one only appears pasted by me. so apparently i have an issue whereby unicode transforms into bs.
jurov: i think ben_vulpes' client magled it, i see all the aubergines fine, except his
jurov: hexdump of my log (just fyi, does not mean my client did not massage it too):
jurov: 6f 72 20 26 23 78 46 30 3b 26 23 78 39 46 3b 26 |or ðŸ&|
jurov: 23 78 38 44 3b 26 23 78 38 36 3b 69 66 20 6d 79 |#x8D;†if my|
mircea_popescu: so : for ~some reason~ my client reports a111 as saying " �" whereas the webpage reports it as saying "🍆"
mircea_popescu: but my same client does NOT misreport OTHER instances of "🍆" as " �" when they are ~not~ spoken by a111
mircea_popescu: which is why the belief that a111 mangles something. because otherwise how is my irc client distinguishing ?
jurov: does a111 keep as-came-from-wire copy of logs? i'd recommend to.
mircea_popescu: just did a hexdump on the logfile. the relevant portion "or ðŸ†if" reads hexdump or ðŸ†if0000000 726f c320 c2b0 c29f c28d 6986 0066
phf: yeah it does, but in this case the byte sequence is untouched, because the original byte sequence is valid utf-8. the disparity seems to come from the fact that a111 sends utf-8 sequence, where's website renders it as unicode code points.
mircea_popescu: other than "unicode is fucking evil" i have no moral from this wasted hour.
jurov: so it boils down into conversion into 🍆 vs. &xF0;&xFD;...etc.. ?
phf: nah, in the first case bot's sending raw bytes on the the wire (which are valid utf-8 for a bogus code point sequence), in the second case the raw bytes have been intrepreted as code points and are sent as html escape codes for code points.
mircea_popescu: a111 log ðŸ†if ðŸ†if a111 ðŸ�†if site bv site ðŸ�†if
mircea_popescu: i am persuaded phf is right : bot is sending raw bytes, log is displaying unicode points as escape codes.
jurov: ^ my aubergine came back as raw bytes f0 9f 8d 86 but in the html log it is 🍆
phf: for example in the original there's a byte sequence \xc3\xb0, it's a valid utf-8 for code point #240, which if it renders looks like `ð' and in html can be represented as ð
mircea_popescu: incidentally i'd say the arrangement as present is also the right thing. bot should send raw bytes ; wwwtron should send escape codes.
shinohai: Lets just plug in this charger .... OH SHIT
mats: what's with fucking americans and consistently misusing ww2-era phraseology
mats: if it's not 'the alt right is made up of neo nazis' it's 'chinese people are implementing eugenics by selecting for clever and attractive children in band programs'
mircea_popescu: what's with mats thinking random spamsites have anything to do with the world.
mats: way to denigrate the suffering of tens of millions dead because you want to make an incendiary political statement
mats: i believe the 'ex' suffix is the chip, is that right?
mats: ('scuse the mobile site)