tmsr - Log 2018-12-26

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-25#1883039 << iirc i explained in prev thread: i have a veerry limited supply of samples. and so, i'd be willing to share 1 with a commercial lab, supposing i had with what to pay, or the proprietor were serious re 'pro bono'. but not so excited to give to some d00d who uses rust remover and layers,whatlayers, etc ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-25 23:19 amberglint: btw, I was considering asking this microscopist if he wants to help you with the Ivory micrograph, but after the last attempt I'm not sure if it's a good idea

asciilifeform: you wouldn't give stradivari to glue to some fella who maybe glued chair leg or 2 some time last yr.

asciilifeform: 'ivory' aint much transistorwise by current-day measures, but at ~370,000 is slightly moar than its contemporary i386, and defo bigger than anyffing afaik that amateurs anywhere reversed to date.

asciilifeform: z80 of course not only costs fiddycents, but ~still made~ , and so has been photographed errywhere, prolly even in zimbabwe. whereas there's maybe 50 'ivory' remaining total. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't think it's underhanded in the sense i don't think underhanded means anything in the context. there's a very strict difference between the priviledged and the unpriviledged position, "only do those things specifically allowed" vs "do all things not specifically forbidden". while you'd expect a customer to only read mail addressed to him, it's iffy whether you expect the post office to read all mail it can

mircea_popescu: 't route -- it all hinges on whether the post office is priviledged or not.

mircea_popescu: in any case, the idea was that the thing neckbeards and assorted morons ("open source" or free ranged) MOST associate with "the bad" is merely a necessary function of a working system.

mircea_popescu: much like the romanian morons imagined in the 80s they want to be "free", as opposed to "they want romanian industrial committments to better reflect their own personal committments [to irrelevancy, impotence and ultimately inexistence]".

mircea_popescu: eventually someone has to do something about all the random piling up at the periphery. sad but true.

asciilifeform: there was an ancient heathen essay re subj, somewhere, in fact - but i've misplaced it

a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 17:51 phf: asciilifeform: it ~is~ the infamous mappers and packers thing, m&p is first chapter

mircea_popescu: afaik it's new art ; but then again, novelty in this world.

asciilifeform: iirc the terminology was diff but came quite close to discussion the actual concept

asciilifeform: ( or even earlier , feynman had a 'some people do physics, others -- stamp collecting' thing )

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-25#1883039 << always a great idea. people ~should~ have ample opportunity to discover how insufficient, unimpressive, etcetera they are. i don't mean "fair" opportunity, ie, a 9mn% increase over what their environment currently provides. i mean fucking ample. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: this is what the internet was even fucking sold as! "this'll be a place where every fucktarded murican, coolest-guy-in-his-town goes to find out he didn't even make the qualifying tops"

mircea_popescu: let them do just that. "i know your wife thinks you're the best she could ever do, but truth be told a name's wasted on your dumb ass" is way the fuck more important, useful etcetera than whatever else they thought they were gonna do that evening.

mircea_popescu: today's xmas and there's no contest. rest of the year...

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-26#1883049 << absolutely fucking not. "everywhere" ? are you fucking kidding me, reading university hasn't discovered the wonder of microphony, in 2018. i'm sure they had the (by then 20yo items) back in 1898, state of the art, too. but 120 years later... http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1764531 and all that. costa ricans can't fucking merge, what "everywhere". ☝︎☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-26 00:25 asciilifeform: z80 of course not only costs fiddycents, but ~still made~ , and so has been photographed errywhere, prolly even in zimbabwe. whereas there's maybe 50 'ivory' remaining total.

a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 01:26 mircea_popescu: "oh, DO WE STILL HAVE TO DO THIS ?!?!?! IN 2018 ?!?! EPICYCLES ?!?!?". gimme a break, you can't light a fucking lightbulb.

mircea_popescu: that's almost older than you.

asciilifeform: possibly asciilifeform has distorted sense of time, but still thinks of it as 'recent'

mircea_popescu: meanwhile i don't even consider fettards delivered to this world in that same five year plan the "reforms" came.

mircea_popescu: or in the next one.

asciilifeform: thinking moar re the 'sense of time' thing, i suspect that my clock stopped where ~anything last happened~. e.g. i'm posting from a 2009 comp.

asciilifeform: ( and the only reason not from 2003 comp, was that i wanted moar bitness, back then, for address lines )

asciilifeform 'moving backwards in time' technologically in other aspects also -- about to do some old-fashioned chemical b&w, for instance

asciilifeform: while on subj, i suspect that the pill for ye olde http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-03#1394833 puzzler, if indeed one can exist, lies in some variation on chemical photography. ( observe that there is no known means of observing the latent image in silver nitrate without developing the film ) ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-02-03 01:53 asciilifeform: actually for many years i have thought about the ideal electric otp.

asciilifeform: ( for instance, expose 2 overlapping films using spinthariscope. separate the films, and on each end extract pad bits via programmable lcd diffraction grate, where each grate pattern is determined by output of prev. )

mircea_popescu: diana_coman fixed indeed, ty.

phf: diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-24#1882924 << 26Nov-2Dec 54450, 3Dec-9Dec 24809, 10Dec-16Dec 31298 with breakdown http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/afho0/?raw=true i had word count code laying around not wired, it now sits in the stat bar at the top as the (running) word count for the day. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-22#1882726 << added ☝︎☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-24 15:58 diana_coman: phf, would it be a big bother to get for me the number of words in the logs for the weeks 26Nov-2Dec, 3Dec-9Dec, 10Dec-16Dec 2018? It's more to satisfy my curiosity on whether the relative sizes match the variation in size of my summaries for those weeks or not.

a111: Logged on 2018-12-22 17:25 diana_coman: asciilifeform, phf I've signed and mirrored ch6 of ffa: http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/#selection-603.0-617.46

diana_coman: perhaps unsurprisingly, the relative lengths of logs are not quite enough to predict relative lengths of summaries, ofc; the 10-16 dec summary is a whopping 5.1k compared to 3.7k 26-2Dec despite logs being 31.3k vs 54.4k respectively; anyways, I'm rather relieved it turns out that the summary IS at least shorter than the logs! ☟︎

diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-25#1882978 -> I'm in 2 minds on it: basically there is a lot to gain from doing it, the way I see it so that's a big pull; onth it can eat up a lot of time and it's not always the easiest of things either ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-25 16:56 mircea_popescu: kinda addictive to write, too, aren't they.

diana_coman: at any rate, the fact that the summaries seem to elicit further discussion and clarification of the original topics is further benefit (I did not expect it / think of it at all initially) ☟︎

diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-25#1882987 -> my tests show that you can rely on for it to show in bold (b, em seem to be eaten); in further infuriating things, <blockquote> works but ONLY if used on separate line (i.e. this is a <blockquote>bbw </blockquote> will do nothing but this is a \n <blockquote>biegw</blockquote ...works ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-25 17:36 mircea_popescu: btw diana_coman can i rely on <blockquote> working in your comment section ?

diana_coman: this might be to some extent theme-related as well but I'm not too keen on sinking time digging into it really

a111: Logged on 2018-12-18 11:56 phf: asciilifeform: i saw you posted a highres photo of macivory you found on the internet, but could you perhaps post a couple of nice photos of your current board, where one can see labels on chips and whatever text on the surface

asciilifeform: plan with the mega-photo, is that -- when i figure out how to stitch'em -- will make metre-sized poster for wall, to scribble on as i reverse the thing... ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( nao, if we had a source of ~coherent~ xray, could then replicate that https://archive.is/Gb34O thing! 'if wishes were horses..' )

asciilifeform: flatbed scanner for pcb aint perfect, observe that what it gains in res vs digicam, it loses in depth of field

asciilifeform: prolly ideal photo would be from stitch of N 25megapixel shots with small aperture and machine-cranked slide platform. but i currently dunhave a machine-cranked slide.

asciilifeform: this is re the component-side, naturally. (flatbed is unbeatable for the flat side imho)

asciilifeform: phf: i've also bought a period (msdos-powered!) paltron, will attempt reading the original pals this wk

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-26#1883090 << nice! ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-26 10:28 phf: diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-24#1882924 << 26Nov-2Dec 54450, 3Dec-9Dec 24809, 10Dec-16Dec 31298 with breakdown http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/afho0/?raw=true i had word count code laying around not wired, it now sits in the stat bar at the top as the (running) word count for the day. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-22#1882726 << added

mircea_popescu: in other stray thoughts : isn't it a wonder the "orange man" and the "guy fawkes" memes aren't merging ?

mircea_popescu: i'd have expected a LOT more orange plasticrap masks.

mircea_popescu: donald trump

mircea_popescu: i suppose the bare truth of the matter is that much like bower bird building nest out of what plastic can be found, ustard also, will be fashionable ~out of pre-existing selection~, not otherwise.

mircea_popescu: can't merge because while intellectually meaningful, practically impossible, no mfg base.

asciilifeform: not only this, but worse, the pre-existing selection consists of hollywood (e.g. the guyfawkes meme is not made from the historic personage, but from film 'v for vendetta', where rather different item in turn recycled from older meme)

mircea_popescu: trump also exists from hollywood media for the "orange man" crowd.

mircea_popescu: entirely unrelated to historical anything, much like car advertisings unrelated to car, related to viewer.

asciilifeform: made from junkyardwars. but i dun recall him claiming continuity with historic-anyffin

mircea_popescu: (for the benefit of sluts nicole's age : a meme is not 'an image with text in thick font sprawled over'. a meme is a virus for the brain ; the ur-example of a meme [ie, ~SPEECH~] being discussed in http://trilema.com/2014/the-bicameral-world-in-one-room-the-city-dump-in-the-other-room-the-starred-restaurant-do-these-talk-to-each-other-read-on-to-find-out/ )

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform him who ?

mircea_popescu: um. trump is an actual physical person, an old guy, son of a magnate, bankrupt a coupla times, very entertaining town fool in the 70s, etc.

asciilifeform: rrright, but was speaking of trump the stage character, as played for ameritard consumption

mircea_popescu: this is a history, whether you know it or not, whether you rubbed shoulders with the chicago outfit back when they were inventing las vegas and the new york set and so on.

mircea_popescu: this historical character, who happened to win a presidential election IN SPITE of the wishes of the media machinery and the expectations of their vat-dwelling retards, was re-interpreted for their minor intellectual needs as "orange man" by the same mechanisms.

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in other stray thoughts : isn't it a wonder the "orange man" and the "guy fawkes" memes aren't merging ? << There was some overlap with people wearing gray bodysuits to play NPCs

asciilifeform must admit nao that asciilifeform has not been following in realtime the tard squeals of recent yr of trumpreich, and so cannot comment on 'orange' etc

mircea_popescu: those morons, cuz it's really not worth calling the http://trilema.com/2016/please-stop-using-dns-already-and-other-considerations/#footnote_6_65060 set people, are ~also~ approximately the barney sandals crowd, and the guy fawkes crowd.

mircea_popescu: and they're known for a strict incapacity to maintain multiple loci of interest. so if indeed orangemanguyfawkes masks would be available, then #orangemanguyfawkes would have 1mn users ; but as they aren't, thereofe #orangeman has 800k users and #guyfawkes 200k users.

mircea_popescu: entirely the same ones, too,

asciilifeform: aand if 'coke' were to merge with 'pepsi', the # of drinkers of phosphoricacid-cum-cornliquishit would remain ~same

mircea_popescu: exactly my point, right.

mircea_popescu: but there's ~economic interest~ in ~actually maintaining the divide~. not like guyfawkes foundation is out there buying ads.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform faux choice gotta be maintained. like any other http://trilema.com/2009/inchipuiti-va/ item.

mircea_popescu: and in this case, i suppose china's maintaining.

asciilifeform: and it's maintained by 'you can buy orange mask or black mask', 'red bottle, or black' etc

mircea_popescu: if one day they discovered orange paint one cent per ton cheaper than w/e sorta-like sickly white man pallor pigment currently in use...

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all guy fawkes masks i ever saw were evidently same exact item made same exact place.

mircea_popescu: (the study of masks, btw, is a very large part of anthropology, for very good reasons. not much to study these days, but what can you do.)\

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i guarantee you that schmuck had a large debt load to maintain his illusion of being "in civilised world" along with occasional participation at "color revolutions" and various idiotic conversations with similarily inane "friends".

mircea_popescu: ie, the orc pantsuit are just as pantsuit as the empire pantsuit.

asciilifeform: cant think of what else an orc could be trying to say (and it was scotchtaped so as to be visible) with that thing.

asciilifeform: y'know the type; prolly runs a 'tor' node, hangs out with Framedragger's chix, etc

mircea_popescu: in romania that's asking too much.

mircea_popescu: possibly runs ubuntu tho. or w/e, android, same thing.

mircea_popescu: romanians are tards, what can i tell you

mircea_popescu: (everyone with two neurons to rub together long left)

mircea_popescu: maybe not to your standards.

asciilifeform: in gringolandia these folx helpfully advertise themselves with '1337 h4xx0r' tshirts. but perhaps they dun sell those in orcland.

asciilifeform: iirc phf described the ru variant, with their clone of '2600 magazine' etc

mircea_popescu: it's actually a different demographic. ~these~, the moron you saw in romania, advertise themselves in the us as "having a hobby" in their corporate cv. they go race rc boats every third weekend or somesuch.

mircea_popescu: THAT is the level.

mircea_popescu: romania is a small country, and it is incorrect to identify groups by their rarity. a 10k demographic in romania is NOT "the same" as a 10k demographic in the us ; it's the same as the 100k one.

mircea_popescu: thus therefore, the romanian "vampire" is ~the us mall rat hanging out by hot topic ; not the cosplayer.

mircea_popescu: though there's about as many ro.vampires as us.cosplayers.

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mircea_popescu: ow shit. sorry for that, didn't realise it'll be THAT long.

mircea_popescu: well, the paste was deliberate, but i'd have deliberated otherwise if i realised it's multiline

mircea_popescu: mod6 fine, actually, trying to emerge out of xmas food coma.

mod6: Anyway, I just stopped in as I've been resting, reflecting, doing a spot of work on these forthcoming blog posts over the month.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-26#1883094 << do i have this right, so the logs were ~43% shorter but this drove a summary ~37% longer ? ie, snr varied by at least a factor of 2.4 ? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-26 12:58 diana_coman: perhaps unsurprisingly, the relative lengths of logs are not quite enough to predict relative lengths of summaries, ofc; the 10-16 dec summary is a whopping 5.1k compared to 3.7k 26-2Dec despite logs being 31.3k vs 54.4k respectively; anyways, I'm rather relieved it turns out that the summary IS at least shorter than the logs!

mod6: One is nearly ready, but I'm in need of an actual blog, heheh. So I'm gonna see if I can get wp-mp doing what I want.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-26#1883097 << i was kinda expecting it all along, tbh. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-26 13:02 diana_coman: at any rate, the fact that the summaries seem to elicit further discussion and clarification of the original topics is further benefit (I did not expect it / think of it at all initially)

mod6: BingoBoingo: Can I get a wp-mp @ pizarro when you have some time, feel free to invoice me or whatever is right and proper.

mircea_popescu: mod6 BingoBoingo was saying something about getting a closer to original thing on pizarro

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-26#1883098 << http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/24/a-week-in-tmsr-10-16-december-2018/comment-page-1/#comment-4644 (spoiler : none worked :p) ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-26 13:08 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-25#1882987 -> my tests show that you can rely on for it to show in bold (b, em seem to be eaten); in further infuriating things, <blockquote> works but ONLY if used on separate line (i.e. this is a <blockquote>bbw </blockquote> will do nothing but this is a \n <blockquote>biegw</blockquote ...works

BingoBoingo: mod6: With an annual subscription you get 10% off per http://pizarroisp.net/shared-hosting/ for 0.0216

mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/X0jSO/?raw=true << item used.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-26#1883106 << honestly, this is a better "decorative artwork" plan than i ~ever~ heard. and i heard girls with nice tits sitting on multi-mn budgets all over "teh civilised world". ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-26 14:53 asciilifeform: plan with the mega-photo, is that -- when i figure out how to stitch'em -- will make metre-sized poster for wall, to scribble on as i reverse the thing...

mircea_popescu: so there you go, alf takes the crown for home decorating, becomes the new goodbye girl!

BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell cruciform MP-WP hardening and enhancemenst, please acknowledge receipt http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/j2WcJ/?raw=true

BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell bvt MP-WP hardening and enhancemenst, please acknowledge receipt http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wSwU6/?raw=true

BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell mats MP-WP hardening and enhancemenst, please acknowledge receipt http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/r1dkc/?raw=true

BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell nicoleci MP-WP hardening and enhancemenst, please acknowledge receipt http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/anvCs/?raw=true

mod6: Oh while I'm at it, thanks for helping mats the other day while I was afk. I appreciate it.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know you can do multiple recipients in the same item, yes ?

BingoBoingo: Any pizzaro shared hosting customers who had me configure your mp-wp let me know if you have not recieved a dispatch

BingoBoingo: nicoleci bvt mats cruciform: Addenum to enable the mp-wp uploader http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YvpmR/?raw=true

bvt: hello. BingoBoingo: applied and tested the changes from your first message, everything works. ty!

lobbesbot: bvt: Sent 43 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> MP-WP hardening and enhancemenst, please acknowledge receipt http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wSwU6/?raw=true

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-26#1883211 << lol, it'll hang where the jp hiragana thing previously did ( the latter i have fit-in-head, dunneed nomoar.. ) ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-26 20:19 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-26#1883106 << honestly, this is a better "decorative artwork" plan than i ~ever~ heard. and i heard girls with nice tits sitting on multi-mn budgets all over "teh civilised world".

bvt: the result of command from 'enable uploader' message is 'permission denied'. afaik changing owner of a file works only for root.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-26#1883206 << invisible from here. ( prolly in diana_coman's mod queue ? ) ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/lets-revisit-the-google-is-irrelevant-discussion/#comment-127283 << for completeness

mircea_popescu: (i did have to fish it out of spam, not right off sure what combination of what exactly triggered it, but anyway)

mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oICBM/?raw=true < sauce.

BingoBoingo: bvt: ran the chown, let me know if there are any issues or if there is anything else I can help with