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kakobrekla: Altcoin slogan should be "the 15th standard"
mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/24f461e64b04c9442581a3d3e56deb2e/tumblr_mhpyyfytnT1s01fwto1_500.jpg
mircea_popescu: the community is unimpressed.
mircea_popescu: benkay just messin' with ya
benkay: thought you saved that for the girls
benkay: the research into pre-april 2012 securities is killllllling me
ThickAsThieves: just because i love you guys so much, you get first dibs on the Altcoin package! http://coingen.bluematt.me/build/761afffd.zip
mircea_popescu: wow coingen works this fast ?
ThickAsThieves: 6 confs
ThickAsThieves: and then maybe another hour
kakobrekla: blah now i got to bring my asics back online or what
ThickAsThieves: To show my dedication to the cause, I promise to NEVER mine Altcoin
mircea_popescu: you know i like bluematt more and more as time goes by
jurov: i mined ltc before it was cool
mircea_popescu: i don't remember a shitty thing the man did.
jurov: *runs*
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC
mircea_popescu: i actually vaguely recall zinging jurov for bothering with the silly alts a coupla years ago
jurov: yes, i was kinda psyched about the reaper (first gpu miner for scrypt)
mircea_popescu: "snoochyboochy" lol
mircea_popescu: guise think snoochyboochycoin will ever take off ?
mircea_popescu: midlifecrisiscoin
mircea_popescu: fraudcoin
mircea_popescu: atheistcoin
benkay: cascadiacoin
mircea_popescu: beliebercoin unusablecoin starvingartistcoin biebercoin wethepeoplecoin jasoncoin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.1505 = 0.301 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: and im fucking exhausted. not even 5% of the list covered
mike_c: difficult to monitor, but i would like a bitbet on bitcoincharts uptime
mike_c: then i could go long, and at least make money when they are down
jurov: ok, i got some bitchings from coinbr about the opex from coinbr
jurov: gotta fix
jurov: someone had 10 O.USD.C155T there? such bull
jurov: o that was myself :(
ThickAsThieves: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4866300#msg4866300
ozbot: [NEW] The REAL Altcoin - Act fast
mircea_popescu: lolwut ?
ThickAsThieves: just in a meta mood today i guess
benkay: did anyone save any of the glbse asset descriptions? i know they changed regularly...
pankkake: lol altcoin comes with no source code?
ThickAsThieves: i posted what coingen spit out :/
ThickAsThieves: I'm new to this revolutionizing finance thing, sorry
pankkake: I don't know how coingen works, so I'm not sure how it is supposed to get seed nodes either
ThickAsThieves: the idea is too powerful, someone will figure it out
ThickAsThieves: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4866422#msg4866422
ThickAsThieves: lol
ozbot: [NEW] The REAL Altcoin - Act fast
pankkake: YES! I mined block 1
pankkake: and then 4 blocks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02899911 = 0.174 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: nice!
ThickAsThieves: youre gonna be fukn rich
pankkake: at least I finally figured out how to solo mine
pankkake: can be useful on testnet I guess
azi`: i smell PONZI
ThickAsThieves: i'll buy some from you this weekend or something
ThickAsThieves: hey man Life is a Ponzi
ThickAsThieves: you only yolo once
pankkake: at least someone else is mining!
ThickAsThieves: meanwhile the public demands a better logo
pankkake: perhaps a combination of A and $
ThickAsThieves: maybe a slogan too?
ThickAsThieves: like
ThickAsThieves: Quit Wasting Your Time
pankkake: YOLO = You Only Need One
pankkake: YONO*
kakobrekla: i added your node pankkake
kakobrekla: blocks raining.
kakobrekla: theres 80 of them now
kakobrekla: at least on my branch
pankkake: I'm probably only half
kakobrekla: i just hooked up my gpu, too lazy to bring out asic out of the closet
kakobrekla: but yeah
kakobrekla: no source no fun
pankkake: now mining on 1PonZioHc2gKHhSx3mbXD2tfahJh2vefSi
kakobrekla: lol
ThickAsThieves: maybe mattblue can get source to us somehow?
kakobrekla: btw there seems to be some malware attached or something
kakobrekla: just fyi
ThickAsThieves: for real?
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/mpoe-january-2014-statement/
ozbot: MPOE, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
kakobrekla: i dunno someone posted a link to a scan
pankkake: antiviruses get mad at any bitcoin thing
pankkake: because it's in so many botnets
kakobrekla: aha
pankkake: anyway, source code is an option on coingen, maybe you can ask for it later
azi`: 1k profits for mpex?
pankkake: not that it's hard to create it yourself from another source anyway ;)
mircea_popescu: what they charge for source, fiddy bux ?
mircea_popescu: buy bluematt a cuppa coffe, he deserves it.
jurov: $avg
mpexbot: jurov: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
pankkake: still?
jurov: kako avg fail
jurov: ;;ticker btcavg
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code is (1 more message)
jurov: ;;ticker --svg
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code is (1 more message)
jurov: ;;ticker --avg
gribble: 943.70991
pankkake: "Most giveaway threads are no longer allowed in the Alternate cryptocurrencies sections. From now on, posting or replying to such threads could result in being banned." wow!
kakobrekla: jurov ??
kakobrekla: i dont run mpexbot
kakobrekla: but yeah, if its bad, stick it to kakos ass
mircea_popescu: pankkake lol tryin to make moneyz ?
pankkake: I wanted to give The Altcoin to the community!
pankkake: my first idea of bernankoin giveaway was to award them by number of user posts
pankkake: but there were too many beks and not enough big posters
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: wait, bernakoin actually exists ?
pankkake: of course it does
benkay: haha
kakobrekla: its a success
pankkake: http://bek.gpool.net/blocks
pankkake: ~500 workers still :o
jurov: kakobrekla: sorry
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=375010.0 a nice French guy also provided a better logo
ozbot: [ANN] Bernankoin the Coin Not Evil according to Paul Krugman DL WINQT v1.3 NOW
jurov: assbot knows vwap?
kakobrekla: no clue
mircea_popescu: " Statistically speaking, MPOE-PR and by extension MP, is far more trustworthy than myself"
mircea_popescu: escrow going wtf.
mircea_popescu: $vwap x.eur
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: X.EUR 1 day: average: 0.00166253 high: 0.00166253 low: 0.00166253 volume: 200 btc: 0.332506 7 day: average: 0.00167696 high: 0.00170089 low: 0.00166114 volume: 3800 btc: 6.372431 30 day: average: 0.00180241 high: 0.002 low: 0.0016245 volume: 19539 btc: 35.21732337
pankkake: still, its an use of ;;gettrust over ;;getrating, not insane
jurov: it appears that mpex used 848,37 $ as vwap
mircea_popescu: jurov it just has an issue talking to bitcoincharts for some reason
mircea_popescu: so what's the bernakoin to altcoin exchange rate ?
pankkake: 0, there's still no exchange, no real otc trading as far as I know
pankkake: so at least something is working properly in this world
ThickAsThieves: okay Altcoin has a new logo!
ThickAsThieves: http://i.imgur.com/OqeWed4.jpg
kakobrekla: make it merge mined
jurov: i want bernankoin <-> doge liquidity!!!
pankkake: wow, so pro
kakobrekla: very money
ThickAsThieves: lol
mircea_popescu: wow 33 pages of bernakoin. you're like a celeb
mircea_popescu: hey kako, you have some altcoin alcoins atm ?
kakobrekla: yeah i got altcoins
mircea_popescu: how many you have ?
ThickAsThieves: do a giveaway!
ThickAsThieves: hehe
mircea_popescu: pankkake how much beks you got ?
kakobrekla: 30k , half immature
pankkake: about 1 million
kakobrekla: +-
pankkake: I don't mine it, as it means mining less primecoin (which pays for my server bills!)
mircea_popescu: ok, kako, you sell to me 30k alts for 30 btc. pankake you sell to tako 300k beks for 30 btc. then i sell you 30k alts for 30 btc.
mircea_popescu: this way you got market cap yo!
pankkake: "moneysupply" : 7939613962.72999954
pankkake: lol
kakobrekla: was dat, for bek?
mircea_popescu: it was 3 way linking!
pankkake: yes, total bek supply
ThickAsThieves: i got a pm asking how to mine ATC
pankkake: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2014/01/25/bernankoin-to-save-us-all-from-the-evils-of-bitcoin/
ThickAsThieves: A is better than B right?
pankkake: you're going to get a lot of PMs :|
mircea_popescu: "this coin should be sold on https://www.poloniex.com/ or a Chinese exchange if anyone know how to get it on Chinese that would be our best bet"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves world's #1 letter !
pankkake: http://cynic.me/2013/12/19/bernankoin-the-coin-to-save-our-economy-quantitative-easing/ that was the first external coverage, I was so happy to read it
ozbot: Bernankoin – The Coin to Save Our Economy – QUANTITATIVE EASING | Cynic.me
pankkake: and one of the few to notice the funny commits
mircea_popescu: who';s cynic.me ?
pankkake: random blogger
pankkake: http://www.thebitcoinmaster.com/bernankoin/ and another guy made a faucet!
ozbot: Bernankoin Printer
mircea_popescu: http://cynic.me/2014/01/17/why-you-need-to-take-dogecoin-seriously/
ozbot: Why You Need to Take Dogecoin Seriously… | Cynic.me
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: 22% is a big deal! 11 peopl voted on tardstalk!
mircea_popescu: "The market demand for Dogecoin is there. People love it. It’s fun. It’s exciting. It’s different. It’s loyal. It’s furry. It’s happy. It’s glad to see you. It’s right there licking your face telling you that it loves you."
kakobrekla: lul
kakobrekla: Ink level: 27870.5800065
kakobrekla: Ink reserves: 550000
mircea_popescu: "You don’t need to love Dogecoin. But you do need to see what is happening with it right now. We have a social phenomenon going on, and even if it fails, we will learn a lesson or two from it"
pankkake: it's true, actually
ThickAsThieves: i dont have answers for these people, how do you mine it? who knows?!
pankkake: probably the first altcoin to have a genuine community
pankkake: OK I'm going to do a howto mine I guess
ThickAsThieves: sweet
benkay: odd message from 'cynic.me'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02899999 = 0.174 BTC [+]
benkay: historic goat!
benkay: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=49648.0
ozbot: (ANN) I will form a mining company to be traded on (GLBSE) if there is interest
mircea_popescu: pankkake i doubt this, but perhaps it's on the grounds of being uninformed.
mircea_popescu: wtf community ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02899999 = 0.174 BTC [+]
pankkake: I think it brought people that did not use Bitcoin before
mircea_popescu: so ?
pankkake: whereas altcoins are bitcoiners looking for profit
pankkake: in that sense, it is "genuine"
mircea_popescu: ok, so it has some suction power
mircea_popescu: all the people watching tv are not a community
pankkake: I'm not saying it's The Future obviously
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 18 @ 0.02899999 = 0.522 BTC [+] {6}
mircea_popescu: no but what i mean, a community is different from a crowd.
pankkake: http://www.businessinsider.com/dogecoin-jamaican-bobsled-team-olympics-2014-1
ozbot: Dogecoin Jamaican Bobsled Team Olympics - Business Insider
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02969994 = 0.1782 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: pankkake you realise there's a few people pushing it, and manipulating social media to give the impression of traction
mircea_popescu: or do you ?
pankkake: I don't know. if it had success without organized people behind it, it's a miracle
mircea_popescu: it's quite visibly (and quite respectably) being organisedly pushed.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea specifically who's doing it, but i can tell teh pro hand.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10562 @ 0.00091464 = 9.6604 BTC [+]
pankkake: I wonder if those guys were prepared before launch, or they just saw a thing and decided to do it
mircea_popescu: that i can't discern.
mircea_popescu: but you can trivially notice there's two groups if you take all the sm profiles and do scoring on them. you don't end up with either a powerlaw or any sort of gauss curve
benkay: sm?
mircea_popescu: you end up with two. there's distinguishably group A and group B, and group A is further traceable to convergence
pankkake: social media
kakobrekla: well ThickAsThieves you gonna put a site up displaying thhe logo in all its glory or what
pankkake: things like reddit have been gamed for a long time
pankkake: or digg before that
mircea_popescu: right.
pankkake: it's been widely documented, outed, etc.
KRS1: So dogge coin is worth throwing a few bucks at actually?
mircea_popescu: im not saying there's anything wrong with it, for that matter. the people doing it are providing data to all observers, not just to themselves.
mircea_popescu: i'd venture a guess that they're about 60-70% or so in the red so far, however.
kakobrekla: hm
kakobrekla: pankkake you split the chain?
pankkake: lol
pankkake: shit
mircea_popescu: (in the sense that total resources spent, including time / total market value - as an integral from current price to zero = ~.6x)
pankkake: my last block is orphaned
KRS1: hmm
mircea_popescu: lol now you broke it
kakobrekla: my last 50 are dead
pankkake: well it's still working it seems, I got a 50 ATC donation!
kakobrekla: still moare comming
kakobrekla: ok wtf
kakobrekla: someone plugges some serial power
pankkake: ~1 block per sec
kakobrekla: LOL
pankkake: friedcat's mining
kakobrekla: its getting ripped
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.195 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: whoa lol
kakobrekla: im finding blocks all fucked though
KRS1: lol wut
KRS1: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1woxdt/potential_class_action_suit_against_coinbase/
ozbot: Potential Class Action suit against Coinbase being reviewed by attorney group against : Bitcoin
benkay: yesssss
pankkake: I'd give reddit gold to the first comment
mircea_popescu: rpcuser=lol
mircea_popescu: rpcpassword=cat
mircea_popescu: bwahaha
benkay: good old asstomouthparty
mircea_popescu: "Big Vern told me he is adding this to Cryptsy tomorrow."
KRS1: Hotuglywife goes ass to mouth.
mircea_popescu: watch this shit blowing up and each and every one of you vilified for being fucking illuminati.
mircea_popescu: "just bought 500k on coindup. get on my lvl!" lol
kakobrekla: altcoin reached 1k blocks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC
mircea_popescu: .d altcoin
pankkake: 1.00000000
mircea_popescu: ty robokakke
pankkake: I suppose diff will be changed after 2016 blocks
pankkake: so in about 1000 seconds
mircea_popescu: "Wow! I just solo mined 17 blocks with my CPU"
kakobrekla: VERY CURRENCY
mircea_popescu: lucky cpu
pankkake: easy mining was the success of bernankoin
pankkake: especially since I enabled cpu mining by default on new versions
pankkake: (it's primecoin so cpu is good)
kakobrekla: bernake uses primecoin algo??
pankkake: yes
kakobrekla: zomg.
kakobrekla: didnt know
benkay: well gosh if -assets doesn't have its own derpcoin now
benkay: as if it didn't before...
mircea_popescu: it now has it's own legion of derpcoins
benkay: the menagerie is necessary.
benkay: also whoever dm'd me; dm's aren't working for me today
mircea_popescu: as conversations online progress, the odds of mp comissioning hitler paintings and the odds of each participant to the convo running their own altchain both increase towards 1
benkay: you guys you guys you guys
benkay: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67844.msg790166#msg790166
ozbot: [FREE BITCOINS] MPOE Stress testing.
benkay: historyyyyyyy
kakobrekla: o look, im in it
benkay: har and the miss in question not in full rage mode: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67844.msg792157#msg792157
benkay: rare sight these days
benkay: mircea_popescu: do you ever worry about taking years off that poor girl's life?
benkay: strike poor /strike
benkay: not at the rate she's pulling AMIRITE BOYYYYYS
mircea_popescu: lolwut ?!
benkay: all the cortisol coursing through her system all the time's gotta be bad for wear and tear on the nervous system
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/why-do-gentlemen-prefer-blondes/
ozbot: Why do gentlemen prefer blondes ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 31 @ 0.00594999 = 0.1844 BTC [+]
benkay: as a result, redheads are undervalued in the sexual marketplace
mircea_popescu: and for no good reason
benkay: they're generally much more entertaining, due to having to compete with all the blondes all the time
benkay: at least in my limited experience
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2617 @ 0.00009304 = 0.2435 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.195 BTC [+]
benkay: it's like how overly pretty girls seem to be missing something between the ears and in the sheets
benkay: having never developed any skills in the arena due to self-overvaluation...
benkay: oh god i have to trawl economy>marketplace>services too
pankkake: always seemed obvious to me
pankkake: being a pretty girl isn't such a gift after all
pankkake: best would be to be an ugly child and then beautiful adult
benkay: haven't met many particularly good looking women over the age of 30
benkay: of course, they have other assets at that age
mircea_popescu: you mean good looking naked or dressed ?
benkay: i actually take it back totally
mircea_popescu: lol
benkay: 'cause what is physical beauty without as prince calls it "pussy control"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4234 @ 0.00009117 = 0.386 BTC [-] {6}
mod6: what a month for s.mpoe!
mircea_popescu: huge.
pankkake: "difficulty" : 4.00000000
pankkake: I guess it's capped to 4×
mircea_popescu: it is.
pankkake: > To make use of tweens, you must construct a “tween factory”
kakobrekla: ;;calc 1830/30 ☟︎
gribble: 61
kakobrekla: huh.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16254 @ 0.00091181 = 14.8206 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: At least that piece of shit has the excuse that itt's made by nobody starring Fuckfleck and wht's his name. << lol Fuckfleck
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02868325 = 0.1721 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 388 @ 0.00043 = 0.1668 BTC [-]
benkay: what ultimately happened to F.PURE.SYNTH?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 55 @ 0.00448 = 0.2464 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: it got bought out iirc.
mircea_popescu: ;;google list of discontinued assets on mpex
gribble: NEXT: 16-12-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2013>; Prosoniq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosoniq>; Filing - NASDAQ.com: <http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/ipos/filing.ashx?filingid=9246250>
mircea_popescu: jezzz google.
pankkake: lol pmb
pankkake: scampex
benkay: makes it sound so innocuous
benkay: 'you scamp!'
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/mpoe-rezultate-august-2012/
ozbot: MPOE, rezultate August 2012 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
benkay: ty, mp.
mircea_popescu: "III. F.PURE.SYNTH is withdrawn due to lack of interest shown by investors. All outstanding shares were rebought, the current float being 0."
mircea_popescu: pankkake you know... things today are the way they are and not worse in part because pirate got humiliated on mpex, etc.
benkay: lol: with the caveat that the correct valuation thereof has proven in practice to be more difficult than it seemed in theory.
mircea_popescu: there's a certain amt of interaction one's stuck with.
benkay: how did pirate get humiliated on mpex?
mircea_popescu: when they were running out of liquidity a bunch of assholes (goat chief among them, the "bankers" like kludge, jarnett etc,
mircea_popescu: started a campaign to list it and sucker the average holder.
mircea_popescu: rosenfeld made a fake "short'
mircea_popescu: asset. i made the real short assets.
mircea_popescu: we've been good friends ever since.
mircea_popescu: course they mostly got lost, but anyway.
benkay: rosenfeld's fake short didn't pay out?
mircea_popescu: it was so structured so it didn't short anything.
mircea_popescu: read up on it, i imagine it's still on the forum.
benkay: i can't open any more bitcointalk.org tabs
benkay: my combudder will impludder under the derp
mircea_popescu: anyway, it never got any volume, which was the point of the exercise
mircea_popescu: "let me build a strawman show you nobody REALLY wants to short pirate"
mircea_popescu: that argument led directly into the 10k bet, and so on.
mircea_popescu: history is an interlocking chain.
benkay: and so dense in cryptlandia
pankkake: http://www.coindesk.com/bank-stops-working-bitcoin-exchange-campbx-regulatory-uncertainty/
benkay: excellent
benkay: i'm vaguely aware of this 10k bet but lack the full story. highlights?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
mircea_popescu: wasn't doing much volume was it ?
mircea_popescu: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Vandroiy&sign=ANY&type=RECV and pirate made a bet re pirate's survival. nanotube escrowed it.
ozbot: Rating Details for User 'Vandroiy'
nubbins`: so i got a pm on the forums from goat
kakobrekla: same.
benkay: to the effect of?
nubbins`: new forum, come check it out
nubbins`: "At my new forum cryptocrypt.org free-speech will be restricted a bit to enforce rules on being polite and respecting other members. We will have a very low tolerance for insulting others and more or less being a nuisance. Scamming and the like will not be tolerated at all. I hope this will be more civil place to talk about crypto and economics. "
benkay: can't in2 network effects
benkay: also TEH IRONY
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 56 @ 0.00570003 = 0.3192 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: heh
benkay: man i gotta write something up about goat's role in the madhouse
pankkake: Revenue from new accounts : 1`830 BTC << wut?!
nubbins`: sometimes i don't want to be polite ;(
pankkake: jimmothy is going to explode
mircea_popescu: totally.
pankkake: nubbins`: but you're canadian. that's your nature
nubbins`: ;;calc 1830/30
gribble: 61
mircea_popescu: basically the guy's decided to somehow still matter in btc.
nubbins`: srsly?
mircea_popescu: pretty unclear how that'd work
mircea_popescu: but his general sniffing is correct, bitcointalk is spiraling into the toilet.
kakobrekla: nubbins` http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2014#471636 ☝︎
pankkake: still that's a lot of users, I hardly believe it
nubbins`: kako, heh
kakobrekla: stop doing same shit as i do
mircea_popescu: then again... people like the toilet.
nubbins`: that's a lot of people with 30btc
benkay: mircea_popescu's self-trading nubbins` donchaknow
mircea_popescu: it's even more with 20 btc.
nubbins`: right, that thing
mircea_popescu: then again... 50-100 accounts... whatevs.
nubbins`: well good for you!
pankkake: maybe they're refering themselves endlessly?
kakobrekla: free money
nubbins`: pankkake, money machine
benkay: some days i wonder if mircea_popescu didn't look at Pirate and say to himself "oh so you want to see an elegant scam, do yer?"
mircea_popescu: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/01/21/0215214/amc-theaters-allegedly-calls-fbi-to-interrogate-a-google-glass-wearer << somehow going through your privatge porn is ok,
ozbot: AMC Theaters Allegedly Calls FBI to Interrogate a Google Glass Wearer - Slashdot
mircea_popescu: but you copying their shitty movie is not.
benkay: old news
benkay: is old
nubbins`: recording in a theatre is a crime here in canada as of a few years ago as well
nubbins`: they will srsly call the police and charge you :0
mircea_popescu: benkay we're even then, that wondering is even older than pirate :D
nubbins`: think about the madness of that for a moment
nubbins`: "if you point a machine at our large smooth wall, the police will put you in jail"
benkay: mircea_popescu how did you construct the pirate short that worked?
mircea_popescu: it basically mirrored exactly all the specific performance points teh "bankers" made on their announcement.
mircea_popescu: like, so and so shares issued by so and so date doing etc.
nubbins`: [23:07:39] <gribble> Sent 6 hours and 28 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> ^
nubbins`: SUPER HELPFUL ;(
benkay: well grep the logs, breh
mircea_popescu: nubbins` :D
nubbins`: tbh i like the title
nubbins`: portraits of bitcoin's infamous, accompanied by quotes
nubbins`: a lovely inking of yifu with "this isn't good for my chi", etc
kakobrekla: :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.04999994 = 1 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/SilkRoad/comments/1pko9y/the_bet_bmr_and_sheep_to_die_in_a_year/
ozbot: The Bet: BMR and Sheep to die in a year : SilkRoad
nubbins`: Arbitration & escrow are being provided by Nanotube
mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/SilkRoad/comments/1pko9y/the_bet_bmr_and_sheep_to_die_in_a_year/
ozbot: The Bet: BMR and Sheep to die in a year : SilkRoad
mircea_popescu: if only these experts had heard of bitbet.
benkay: well, fix it
mircea_popescu: sokay.
kakobrekla: you cant fix reddit
kakobrekla: you cant fix cognitive
kakobrekla: you cant fix shit.
benkay: better give up then ;)
kakobrekla: im not trying to fix
kakobrekla: just trying to spare times.
mircea_popescu: fundamentally speaking, time spent trying to improve the lives of idiots is a waste.
mircea_popescu: especially if their lives end up improved as a result.
mircea_popescu: "I begin implementing code changes to freeze funds and dump them to myself. I was unable to cope with the stress and constant demand, so I panicked. I am sorry for my actions, but with the funds I gathered from the site, I will be able to keep myself from being homeless for the next several months. I will always remember those that made this possible."
mircea_popescu: lol apparently nefario v2.0 was running a silkroad clone
mircea_popescu: or wait, was this intersangro v2.0
kakobrekla: hmm where is that from?
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=321917.0
ozbot: Black market owner shuts down, takes BTC with him
pankkake: bitbet would be a great tool as insurance against black market closure
pankkake: provided bitbet wants too though
pankkake: -o
Duffer1: hello
mircea_popescu: hai.
asciilifeform: looking forward to the mega-scams involving 0.001btc total, a few yrs. from now
mircea_popescu: getting there yeah
kakobrekla: amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
kakobrekla: taht story
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.15 = 0.3 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10200001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.102 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.59858299 = 4.1901 BTC [-] {6}
mircea_popescu: what's altcoin diff yet ?
pankkake: will chaneg in a few secs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00090993 = 8.8263 BTC [-] {4}
pankkake: "difficulty" : 16.00000000
mircea_popescu: o hey. two in a row.
pankkake: still 1+ block per sec, I suspect a lot are lost to stale and orphans
pankkake: coingen really makes terrible coins :))
mircea_popescu: lol i wonder why exactly that is
pankkake: why what? the starting difficulty is too low for todays's hardware
mircea_popescu: no, why terrible.
pankkake: bad settings of starting difficulty and its adjustments; no seed nodes; same genesis block for all coins and I think same RPC port
mircea_popescu: ic.
ThickAsThieves: i emailed him about getting the source
ThickAsThieves: so we'll see
pankkake: cool
pankkake: going to sleep, hopefully will be rich tomorrow
pankkake: "connections" : 26 that part is underwhelming
kakobrekla: i quit mining.
kakobrekla: most gets orphaned
Duffer1: pankkake coin?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 10000 @ 0.005 = 50 BTC
pankkake: yeah :/
pankkake: Duffer1 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.0
kakobrekla: someone do AltGrCoin
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4868391#msg4868391
ozbot: [NEW] The REAL Altcoin
mircea_popescu: your shenanigans have been called.
ThickAsThieves: i replied
ThickAsThieves: All altcoins are altcoins, but only one altcoin is Altcoin.
ThickAsThieves: duh
kakobrekla: get a domain and put up the logo
Duffer1: i'm tellin yall, Hodor Coin is the next Bitcoin
pankkake: I like Hodor Coin
kakobrekla: what about Buttcoins, pegged to 1 buttcoin value
pankkake: that would be centralized!
pankkake: unless we have colored buttcoins?
Mats_cd03: rude
mircea_popescu: you put lipstick on a number of cocks, all different colors
mircea_popescu: and then you mine.
Mats_cd03: 'colored'
kakobrekla: rude was your daddy when he put it in your momma
Duffer1: hahah mp
mike_c: talk about growth hacking. 20 btc into 1800.
mike_c: that's some good marketing stats.
mircea_popescu: fwiw, i don't believe they are in fact marketing stats.
mike_c: what are they?
mircea_popescu: what i mean is : wall street "experts" love to take a fee if the fund does well.
mircea_popescu: statistically, the fund will do well sometime.
mircea_popescu: they have nothing to do with it.
mircea_popescu: similarly here : if you throw money around at some point good things may happen. just because marketeers imagine they have a monopoly on money beng thrown around
mircea_popescu: doesn't give them license to imagine good things happening are a marketing event
mike_c: so you're saying you weren't sure it would work, so you shouldn't get full credit.
mircea_popescu: just as well i could believe it's a sign from god and go into the church.
mike_c: but still, a nice move!
mircea_popescu: believe it or not, i'm saying the entire marketing consideration didn't even enter into it.
mike_c: you don't know how to take credit for good luck do you? what kind of ceo are you?
mircea_popescu: i'm an owner-ceo.
mircea_popescu: incredible, huh ?
ThickAsThieves: website will be up in a bit
mircea_popescu: why is it down! scam!
ThickAsThieves: omg this namecheap interface...
mircea_popescu: lol I PREDICTED
pankkake: management interface looks the same
pankkake: it's like 2000s ugly admin surrounded by trendy 2010s css
mircea_popescu: i dunno how the fuck it would, i had to use mine with nocss.
ThickAsThieves: how the hell do i get ftp access or something
ThickAsThieves: i can find so many features
ThickAsThieves: just none i need
mircea_popescu: ahaha madpax ftw.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00091307 = 10.6829 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: this Hosting Dashboard has no hosting
mircea_popescu: yo dog.
mircea_popescu: we know you don't like hosting so we took your hosting out of the hosting dashboard.
mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/1whket/cantina_market_mega_thread_up_vote_for_visibility/
ozbot: Cantina Market Mega Thread (Up vote for visibility, this is a self post I receive no karma) : DarkNe
mircea_popescu: more lulzy
mircea_popescu: it's incredible how stupid these people are individually. the aggregate boggles.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04999994 = 0.15 BTC [+]
Duffer1: wonder whatever happened to that kid that came in here trying to start his own silk road at his college
mircea_popescu: hopefully he got lazy and is now trying to shag this blonde teen.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this debacle really reminds me of the bitdaytrade thing
mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/1wh8ey/cantina_marketplace_was_not_hacked/ << typical
ozbot: Cantina Marketplace Was NOT Hacked : DarkNetMarkets
mircea_popescu: "It would be neat if a (formerly) decent darknet market were to release their source code under an open source license. Some platform to build your darknet market on would be nice, rather than starting from scratch."
mircea_popescu: because code = business. at least if you're a redditard.
mircea_popescu: "INSERT INTO users(username,password,PIN,account_type,UID,RegDate,BTC,Purse,btc_timestamp, About_me) VALUES ('" . $_POST["username"] . ", " . $_POST["password"] (...)" ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: check that shit out.
mircea_popescu: this is php syntax isn't it ? or does ruby use that $_post construct ?
kakobrekla: its php
mircea_popescu: "They chose "password1" as their admin password."
mircea_popescu: http://www.deepdotweb.com/2014/01/29/cantina-marketplace-pwnd-admin-password-was-password1/
ozbot: Cantina Marketplace PWND: Admin Password was: “Password1″ ? | Deep Dot Web
ThickAsThieves: okay it's up http://therealaltcoin.org
mircea_popescu: Hello,
mircea_popescu: I am the owner of RoadSilk and I would like to ask if its possible to change the status of our website on the marketplace list.
mircea_popescu: We are legit and we do everything to make it the most secure & safe marketplace ever.
mircea_popescu: I know, we are not looking very legit but if we get some help with popular sites like yours, then everyone will notice how legit we are.
mircea_popescu: Currently we advertise on pages like TORSEARCH.
mircea_popescu: URL: kbhpodhnfxl3clb4.onion
mircea_popescu: We offer high security and 100% NO-bitcoin lose.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves do you even mine it /
ThickAsThieves: No I have vowed not to mine it
ThickAsThieves: But I will buy it
ThickAsThieves: i dont premine, ythink i'm some kinda scammer?
mircea_popescu: a ok.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 40 @ 0.005 = 0.2 BTC
mircea_popescu: actually it's probably better to buy it than o mine it.
mircea_popescu: seeing how buying costs the same, but also pumps it through the trade.
ThickAsThieves: another pm "May I ask what are your plans with this coin, are you gonna take it seriously ?"
ThickAsThieves: what does that even mean?
ThickAsThieves: What would my difference in behavior be if I were serious vs. not serious?
Duffer1: the coin wouldn't exist vs the coin does exist
mircea_popescu: it does matter.
mircea_popescu: in fact, from a game theory perspective, the total dollar value of your comittment sets his maximum comitment in turn
mircea_popescu: the discount rate of commitment is a market variable, roughly analoguous to the risk free rate in an economy
mircea_popescu: and jesus fuck i've spelled commitment each possible way
ThickAsThieves: So what if I post that I'll buy 10BTC worth when it lists on Cryptsy
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i'm guessing he may risk his 0.05 btc
mircea_popescu: if there's 200 of them it stabilizes
mircea_popescu: if there's 20k of them it explodes
mircea_popescu: etc.
mircea_popescu: im curious if you beat doge's estimated returns or not.
mircea_popescu: ie, whether you ever make 6 btc back, or if you make more.
ThickAsThieves: i'll need to pay someone to update the logo in the wallet once i get the source
ThickAsThieves: people didnt like the ugly blue one
ThickAsThieves: goes to show, spending 10 minutes on a logo is better than spending 4 minutes
kakobrekla: pankkake is your man, you can pay him in bernankecoin
mircea_popescu: lol
ThickAsThieves: will Namecheap fuck me if i host the package?
ThickAsThieves: this thing is obv going viral
ThickAsThieves: :)
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: just get a vm somewhere, dns webhosting sucks in principle.
ThickAsThieves: You think a Cryptsy.com Lists Altcoin bet would pass the Halls of Judgement?
mircea_popescu: you zeroconfing the no ?
Duffer1: bet x on yes, pay vern x -10, profit
mircea_popescu: srsly. i mean cryptsy exists to list everything neh ?
mircea_popescu: "I have no idea man. The fucking admin has disappeared. All people thinking us fucking mods in on it and we had no idea. We have no access to anything at all. All we can do is ban users and delete forum posts. We also lost everything. Invested so fucking much. No job, no security, now in fucking huge debt all because of “honest” promise of pay. I stil have some kind of hope, but it’s running out fast. I really re
mircea_popescu: ally fucking hope this is just life problems for the admin team, but I have no idea. Thanks man for your support. This is a total fucking disaster though by the looks of it.
mircea_popescu: I’m so fucking sorry for everything I’ve said in the past. I got scammed just like every other fucking person. Scared for my fucking life now people trying to fucking dox us because they think we’re in on it. Fucked up man fucked up."
Duffer1: so.. bitdaytrade
Apocalyptic: not enough fucking
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 this is a diff one.
Duffer1: yea
kakobrekla: labcoin?
ThickAsThieves: watch a bunch of keychain users lose their coins: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wozk1/how_rich_are_you_compared_to_other_rbitcoin/
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: "Please only fill out the survey once, and be honest with your responses."
mircea_popescu: every page you turn, reddit gives the gist of itself.
mircea_popescu: "Right now, I've got less than 1BTC and I'm dirt poor. Back when bitcoins/litecoins weren't worth anything (< 2 years ago), I had what would now be worth over a quarter million dollars worth in my wallet. I ended up wasting it on stupid gambling sites / day trading before it was worth much. Worst foresight ever."
mircea_popescu: myeah.
ThickAsThieves: i wonder how much he sold recently
ThickAsThieves: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/releases/tag/v0.9.0rc1
mircea_popescu: for the 2nd rendition in 2018, "i had almost a whole btc, worth 1/4 mn" ?
ThickAsThieves: https://gist.github.com/laanwj/8693503#file-release-notes-0-9-0rc1-txt-L65-L205
ozbot: Preliminary 0.9.0rc1 release notes
mircea_popescu: "I myself had over 20 BTC I needed to withdrawal. I requested that I have my withdrawals open, he said he would, then never did. Last night all the mods began to realize it was true….he scammed us.,..even his own admin team. I mean obviously scamming all of you is terrible, but to scam his own team is beyond a normal scammer. It is someone who is the lowest of the low, the lowest of the scammers who are already so lo
mircea_popescu: w."
kakobrekla: lol
mircea_popescu: http://www.deepdotweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/avid.png
mircea_popescu: "i couldn't believe you have a web page asking users for their private pgp key"
Namworld: A scammer will scam anyone... ANYONE. As long as he can get away with it. He might not scam partners who live nearby. But from another country, working on same project. Why not?
Namworld: That's a silly statement.
mircea_popescu: Namworld kinda why it's funny.
ThickAsThieves: https://twitter.com/Bitcoin_Assets/status/429482019928559617
ozbot: Twitter / Bitcoin_Assets: The Altcoin to end all altcoins ...
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so what diff are you targetting ?
Namworld: Whut?
Namworld: Altcoin: The Altcoin
ThickAsThieves: I want all the diff
ThickAsThieves: obv
mircea_popescu: not unless youy have all the btc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1000 @ 0.0057 = 5.7 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: I'll consider it a success when it passes Doge
mircea_popescu: figure out based on mining cost what diff you want, put a bid wall around there on whatever altscam marketplace
mircea_popescu: you'll get it by simple economics.
ThickAsThieves: gotta get enough interest to get it listed first
ThickAsThieves: i wonder how they decide
kakobrekla: say neo and bee will support it
kakobrekla: and run.
Duffer1: ha
Duffer1: brb setting up vps
kakobrekla: also techically you can say mtgox will suport altchain(s)
kakobrekla: non capital leter!
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves at their level, not like they can make a decision. if you say "i'll put a bid wall for x btc" they can't say no.
ThickAsThieves: hmm
Apocalyptic: I heard you have to pay Vern
ThickAsThieves: i'll wait for any more meaningful moves til i get the source
ThickAsThieves: has a coingen coin gotten into a market yet?
Apocalyptic: ThickAsThieves, i will list it for 4 btc
ThickAsThieves: you have an exchange?
Apocalyptic: x-bt.com
mircea_popescu: http://www.deepdotweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/developer.png
ThickAsThieves: and youll pay me 4btc to list it? ;)
Apocalyptic: haha
ThickAsThieves: can you even do it without the source?
mircea_popescu: https://x-bt.com/markets/ltcbtc
ozbot: X-BT - The new marketplace for trading Bitcoin with Litecoin and Namecoin
mircea_popescu: the entire mkt depth is like <1btc ?
Apocalyptic: yeah mircea, it's new
ThickAsThieves: seems this would be an opportunity for you
ThickAsThieves: i'll let you list it for free
mircea_popescu: well so then enforce volume not fees.
mircea_popescu: tell him you'll list it if he puts at least X btc bids.
Apocalyptic: <ThickAsThieves> can you even do it without the source? // if you have a linux 64-bit exec yeah
ThickAsThieves: dunno the bit, but linux is in the package too
kakobrekla: why put bids
kakobrekla: you can buy it off me
kakobrekla: im jk. its better to put bids.
ThickAsThieves: how does one put a value on it?
ThickAsThieves: it's virtually priceless
kakobrekla: whats the current diff pankkake
ThickAsThieves: hey thats the slogan maybe!
Apocalyptic: heh
ThickAsThieves: making slogans is just too easy
ThickAsThieves: "Never Mine Another Altcoin Again"
ThickAsThieves: i'm gonna sting em all into a subliminal message
ThickAsThieves: string
Duffer1: "We're totally not trying to reduce LTC diff, MINE ALTCOIN WITH CONFIDENCE"
mircea_popescu: it's shared anyway neh ?
Duffer1: tat how much does it cost to coingen a new alt?
ThickAsThieves: .01btc, with some upgrade fees
ThickAsThieves: i missed the whole source code part
ThickAsThieves: i think its .05btc
Vexual: does this share keys with bitcoin? can we chared key trade?
ThickAsThieves: pankakke might know
ThickAsThieves: i'm just a CEO, what do i know
Vexual: u running a node?
Duffer1: ha
ThickAsThieves: i havent even opened the package at all
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: ;;eauth mircea_popescu
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mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:3dd75e1e1e35261f5cd9fbf33c902e58cae06d9217ebbfc20e59d872
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust benkay
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user benkay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=benkay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013
mircea_popescu: ;;rate benkay 1 The original Cascadian.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3075 @ 0.00090799 = 2.7921 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;unrate theymos
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herbijudlestoids: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/01/tsa-screener-confession-102912.html
ozbot: TSA Agent Confession - POLITICO Magazine
ThickAsThieves: look new scams! https://www.therocktrading.com/en/exchange/stock
mircea_popescu: ;;unrate oneeyed
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mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids you know you gotta read the log before linking stuff
Vexual: this coin better hit dollar parity, i got an orphaned ATC block at 4000M
herbijudlestoids: soz
herbijudlestoids: hullo vexual
Vexual: hey herbi
ThickAsThieves: herbijudlestoids https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/429315308973588481
herbijudlestoids: double lul!
herbijudlestoids: nice pants mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: ty.
herbijudlestoids: are they custom fit? no belt i see
kakobrekla: ThickAsThieves that thing has been around since time immemorial
kakobrekla: and is not a scam AS SUCH.
mircea_popescu: myeah.
herbijudlestoids: fancy
mircea_popescu: ;;rate thestringpuller 1 I dunno that he's ever pulled any strings.
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herbijudlestoids: is that romania? looks nice
kakobrekla: i always thougt that were guitar strings or smth.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate leotreasure 1 Trader.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids that is iirc veracruz
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mircea_popescu: ;;unrate Josh_Rossi
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mircea_popescu: ;;rate jborkl_ 1 He blogs and stuff.
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kakobrekla: no more like for mjr?
mircea_popescu: i think he's not using that anymoar.
mircea_popescu: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Josh_Rossi&sign=ANY&type=RECV
ozbot: Rating Details for User 'Josh_Rossi'
herbijudlestoids: here is the distribution of 20tick lognormal returns for last ~3 days, heavy trading last night means better sample size! http://imgur.com/J7AQWiu
herbijudlestoids: (for MPOE)
mircea_popescu: is this good ?
kakobrekla: looks like fuck you
kakobrekla: srs
kakobrekla: middlefinger.
mircea_popescu: lol kinda ya
herbijudlestoids: the simplest story the graph tells is that a gambler could bet on any 20 tick bar and more likely expect a positive return than negative one
herbijudlestoids: it also tells other stories ;)
mircea_popescu: so basically "it's going mostly up" ?
herbijudlestoids: for example, if there is a 20 tick bar with a -2% return, you should bet against it
herbijudlestoids: because its highly unlikely that the next bar will be also a -2% return bar or even a -1% return bar, etc
herbijudlestoids: this is just preliminary play info until i can get more sample size
herbijudlestoids: we are at 155 ticks total
mircea_popescu: did you truncate past -2/+2 or just never happened ?
herbijudlestoids: no i dont truncat its automatically bucketed
herbijudlestoids: so whatever tails you see are the best/worst of the distribution
mircea_popescu: a
herbijudlestoids: definitely starting to look more like the levy distributions that im used to in other stocks
mike_c: i hate technical analysis, so excuse my stupid question: wtf is a 20 tick bar?
herbijudlestoids: its a different way of plotting the data instead of price/time its price/arbitrary divisions of price
herbijudlestoids: 20 ticks == 20 trades
mircea_popescu: http://live.coinbr.com/?mpsic=S.MPOE
ozbot: CoinBr Live S.MPOE
mike_c: so if a stock trades down for 20 ticks, you're saying buy it or sell it?
mircea_popescu: you gotta catch one of those events
mircea_popescu: (select month)
herbijudlestoids: im not really saying anything based on a 155 tick sample size
mike_c: right, but if you were
mircea_popescu: lol
herbijudlestoids: on avg? yea bet against the down
mike_c: hm. just watch out for those head & shoulder patterns, i hear they're rough.
herbijudlestoids: it doesnt have to trade down all 20 ticks, right? just a - return
herbijudlestoids: lol h&s
herbijudlestoids: this isnt really technical analysis so much as quantitative analysis
herbijudlestoids: there is a big difference
Vexual: no hypothesis?
mircea_popescu: no, we'll just insult your crackpottery regardless
mircea_popescu: listen to that, numbers and zodiacs!
herbijudlestoids: TA guy will buy and sell based on ...for example h&s pattern...QA guy will analyse exactly what a h&s pattern is, expected returns, failure rates etc
herbijudlestoids: one sec someone at door
Vexual: cops
mircea_popescu: lol.
mircea_popescu: cops, hookers or pizza.
Vexual: trifecta
kakobrekla: hooker looking like cop bringing pizza
kakobrekla: id have that.
herbijudlestoids: lemme give you example, this is TA: http://finviz.com this is QA: http://thepatternsite.com/
herbijudlestoids: i mostly spend time on SSRN and thewholestreet.com tho
mike_c: your QA site is talking about h&s
mike_c: http://thepatternsite.com/BustHSB.html
ozbot: Bulkowski's Busted Head-and-Shoulders Bottoms
mircea_popescu: lol
herbijudlestoids: yes, but hes *tested* it over ~5000 stocks and multiple parameters etc
mike_c: If price fails to drop more than 10% below the bottom of the head-and-shoulders bottom, then it could be forming a double bus
herbijudlestoids: data going back ~30 years adjusted for bias
mike_c: *double bust
kakobrekla: lolz
herbijudlestoids: and what does it say about success rate of this pattern mike_c?
herbijudlestoids: lowwww
mike_c: ohh, so if you find patterns in a random walk, then they must be valid going forward
herbijudlestoids: wut? no...
herbijudlestoids: think of that site like mythbusters
herbijudlestoids: ...sheesh nevermind
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids his question is simply this : both qa and ta rely on a fundamental predictive presumption.
mircea_popescu: which is equally incorrect for both
mircea_popescu: so now, how do you insulate from that problem ?
mike_c: yeah, like i said :)
herbijudlestoids: whats the presumption? you lost me
mircea_popescu: that future data relates to past data.
herbijudlestoids: oh right :D
mircea_popescu: predictive. ie, that somehow a numeric manipulation of the past yields the future.
herbijudlestoids: mostly through the use of adaptive algorithms, for me, personally
mircea_popescu: can you see why that won't impress him ?
herbijudlestoids: i am not interested in impressing, im interested in consistent double digit returns with low vol
herbijudlestoids: ~10-20%pa is good
mike_c: apply your quant to JD and see what you can predict
herbijudlestoids: whats JD?
mircea_popescu: just dice, a dice site.
mircea_popescu: .jd
mircea_popescu: hm what was the command ?
herbijudlestoids: is it a listed stock somewhere? or do you mean apply it to bets on the site itself? i couldnt see it in my mpex data
Vexual: bot is mining atc
kakobrekla: !jd
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 0 BTC profit, 0.0k BTC invested, 0.00 mio bets, 0.00 mio BTC wagered
kakobrekla: or what
herbijudlestoids: the simplest betting strategy is to bet on the low volatility bets, i.e. those that have a low payoff but high probability of succeeding
kakobrekla: SCAM.
herbijudlestoids: most gamblers cant beat that strategy
mircea_popescu: whgat ?!
mike_c: whoa. jd is broke
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kakobrekla: he changed ips
kakobrekla: apparently
mircea_popescu: o
kakobrekla: i had direct access to his server
kakobrekla: for assbot
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids jd is a dice site. people gamble on it. its house edge is 1%. the returns it pays investors vary wildly.
mircea_popescu: you can bet on any self-chosen odds, including 95% for a 4% gain or w/e.
mike_c: point being, you could backtest and find patterns that would look profitable but are in fact completely irrelevant.
mircea_popescu: people do, all the time, actually.
mircea_popescu: about half the time they work.
mike_c: like people at a baccarat table marking player vs banker
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mircea_popescu: anyway, nothing wrong with an actual quant.
herbijudlestoids: i dont really look for any form of complex pattern
mircea_popescu: too many tas in bitcoin as it is.
herbijudlestoids: im looking for robustness and simplicity
Vexual: the lucky chap claimed to have spotted it when he took jd for thousands
mircea_popescu: Vexual the first time it happened it spooked doog to all hell.
herbijudlestoids: if its a regular dice site i would say just bet using kelly criterion
herbijudlestoids: hard to outperform that
Vexual: yeah i dont doubt that mp
mircea_popescu: i wonder if im the oldest net positive jd gambler
mircea_popescu: if memory serves i was up 50 btc or so, whenever that was
mircea_popescu: prolly last syummer ? when did it launch
mike_c: https://just-dice.com/roll/1
mike_c: 2013-06-19
mircea_popescu: aha. yeah.
herbijudlestoids: hmm ok i just looked, id make bets with 60% chance to win
herbijudlestoids: and adjust bet size by kelly criterion
herbijudlestoids: done
mircea_popescu: by kc you should actually invest not bet. ☟︎
Vexual: is doog on wot? who's he tight with?
mircea_popescu: kc on a negative ev is negative.
mircea_popescu: Vexual yes. me for instance.
Vexual: ah
Vexual: nuff said
Apocalyptic: ;;gettrust dooglus
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user Apocalyptic to user dooglus: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Apocalyptic&dest=dooglus | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dooglus | Rated since: Thu Apr 5 06:34:26 2012
mike_c: herbijudlestoids: i think the more analysis the better, so i hope you keep at it. i'm just not a believer.
herbijudlestoids: hope i can show you some cool stuff when hte sample size gets bigger
Vexual: trade it herbi
mircea_popescu: night all.
kakobrekla: make a blog, post results
kakobrekla: i hear that is what people do
kakobrekla: nite mp
mike_c: sell predictions. tell half of them it's going up, the other half it's going down. next week, split your list again and repeat.
mike_c: works for sports touts
herbijudlestoids: i might buy a couple of bitcoins and bet on just dice...maybe...kind of got my heart set on buying as much MPOE as i can
mike_c: that would be better than betting on jd.
herbijudlestoids: best mates here, peace
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00090839 = 4.542 BTC [+]
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_5YJoMNmXc
Namworld: not JD... it's always JD
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Vexual: ;;seen Vexual
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.17173037 BTC [-]
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jurov: Revenue from new accounts : 1`830 BTC *gasp*
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Duffer1: Jimmothy should be on payroll
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nubbins`: hi
ThickAsThieves: mornin
nubbins`: altcoin millionaire yet?
ThickAsThieves: i have to buy some first
ThickAsThieves: need to get the damn source
ThickAsThieves: being a CEO isnt as easy as I imagined!
nubbins`: heh
mircea_popescu: wow mike_c knows how the sport tout biz works. props.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, this is how idiots like keiser work, too. all the obscure web "financial experts", or bet picking experts, or so on work on the same business model : ☟︎
mircea_popescu: 1. you put up a site with some content and drive a ton of traffic to it. google ads, whatever. this is your start-up cost.
mircea_popescu: 2. you gather leads for your "special picks" list, which you contact via email. this is your stable of suckers.
mircea_popescu: 3. you split them in equal halves and give one half one pick, the other your opposite.
mircea_popescu: now you have 50% of the list worth of people who think you must be on to something.
mircea_popescu: 4. you subdivide both divisions. now you have a list of people who know you fucked up twice, this you discard ; two lists of people who think you go tone out of two. these you merge ; a most valuable list of idiots who think you got 2 out of 2. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: that latter list is your money maker. the merged list is where you mine for idiots.
mircea_popescu: this allows you to actually extract a profit out of the stupidity of people who are too stupid to realise just how stupid they are.
ThickAsThieves: now swap lists for Financial News Networks
mircea_popescu: "ll the obscure web "financial experts", or bet picking experts" :)
ThickAsThieves: surely someone has done a study
mircea_popescu: surely nobody has bothered.
ThickAsThieves: how often tv picks work out to be worse then flipping a coin
ThickAsThieves: than
mircea_popescu: because the scammors can pay, and can scream, whereas the idiots can't pay, and can scream too, and they will scream against their interest.
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mircea_popescu: you don't get a mpoe-pr in all venues.
mircea_popescu: in fact, she's so novel that people that go by "what i've seen" generally imagine she's a poor pr.
ThickAsThieves: it's also funny that this is just economics, nothing sinister
ThickAsThieves: having mpoe-pr on tv just wouldnt be as profitable ad Mad Money
mircea_popescu: well, science employed to dominate idiocy is the idiot's definition of sinister.
mircea_popescu: thinkaboutit :D
mircea_popescu: anyway, i woke up after six hour's sleep with two article ideas in my head and ended up writing a third in chat while taking a break from writing my first ;/
mircea_popescu: to think people actually BUY drugs. whatcha got endocrine glands for, ya tits ?!
ThickAsThieves: people like variety i guess
nubbins`: ^
nubbins`: my endocrine glands don't produce thc
ThickAsThieves: Hormones - The REAL Gateway Drug
mircea_popescu: nubbins` so return them and negrate your parents ? :D
ThickAsThieves: how long before negrate is in the dictionary?
ThickAsThieves: ;;ud negrate
nubbins`: ;:rate mom -1 bad glands
ThickAsThieves: negrate
ThickAsThieves: (N) 1. An ungrateful person, behaving as if they were entitled to everything. 2. A white person behaving as if they were black.
ThickAsThieves: (V) 1. To treat someone of the same color with the disrespect of racial discrimination. 2. To disregard a respectable black person because of their skin color
ThickAsThieves: verb: give a negative rating to a posting or a definition in Urbandictionary (thumbs down)
nubbins`: huh.
mircea_popescu: dude so meta and self absorbed and awareness rasing this.
ThickAsThieves: it is pretty on point considering your efforts to clearly define niggers.txt
mircea_popescu: lol
pankkake: "difficulty" : 1024.00000000 harsh
ThickAsThieves: how much hashing is that?
ThickAsThieves: Are we at one TH yet?
ThickAsThieves: :)
ThickAsThieves: anyone know a better way to reach bluematt than this coingen email?
nubbins`: kiloharsh
nubbins`: speaking of THC
ThickAsThieves: tetrahydrocoin?
nubbins`: tetrahydrocannabinoin
nubbins`: increase your harsh rate
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/kink-high/ <this is #1
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves use his gpg email
mircea_popescu: http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x0A82509767C7D4A5D14DA2301AE1D35043E08E54
ThickAsThieves: typo: was = wash
ThickAsThieves: thx
nubbins`: hahah hey look, i'm practically in this article
mircea_popescu: :D
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ThickAsThieves: btw nubbins I really like that art video you shared
nubbins`: the guy's very earnest
ThickAsThieves: the guy is nuts, but it's a great mind opener
nubbins`: maybe a bit obsessed with scarlett johansson
ThickAsThieves: hehe
nubbins`: but he makes some surprisingly lucid points
nubbins`: like how there are no "problems" in art
ThickAsThieves: his convinction and consistency made it easy to follow along on something so abstract
mircea_popescu: did i miss this ?
nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2YLZc_gDMM
ThickAsThieves: i suspect the editing floor contains some less respectable moments though
nubbins`: haha
nubbins`: freakouts
nubbins`: the part where he goes on about whether a piece is "finished" or not is good, too
nubbins`: gestures to a piece
nubbins`: "is this finished now?"
nubbins`: makes a yellow mark on it
mircea_popescu: wow he's camera shy
nubbins`: "now?"
ThickAsThieves: oh yeha that was awesome
ThickAsThieves: the kink article made me think of this
ThickAsThieves: seems the answer to all these queries is Embrace Chaos
ThickAsThieves: why is change so hard for the Old Republican
ThickAsThieves: but so easy for Kink High?
nubbins`: meese said it, all politicians must resign
mircea_popescu: lmao. dictatorship of x comes, "alles super"
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nubbins`: the bit about symbols, too
nubbins`: carl jung would have loved to meet this guy
nubbins`: or maybe the other way around? heh
mircea_popescu: lol alles relic vient kaputt machen
mircea_popescu: ahahaha so basically chimp guy wants no history
mircea_popescu: he just wants to play
ThickAsThieves: everything is a toy!
mircea_popescu: i rest the case on the representation of southpark. this guy is mj, and i'm ignorant.
ThickAsThieves: he musta went to Kink high
nubbins`: all art is play!
mircea_popescu: i doubt he has.
mircea_popescu: i have, and it changes your perspective in a particular way.
ThickAsThieves: you are bias
ThickAsThieves: :)
mircea_popescu: yup.
mircea_popescu: i think when i die, i may become the god of bias.
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves, there are some other good vice art talks too
nubbins`: the one about bongout is what inspired me to start silkscreening on paper
nubbins`: lel, related videos reminded me of another series they do
nubbins`: where they feed some poor freelancer some acid and get him to cover an event
nubbins`: like a dog show
ThickAsThieves: i'll check it out, but if i get back into printing in any way I will be mad at you
mircea_popescu: wait, is the fbi investigating vice, the drug marketplace yet ?
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi_-PddFCKU
nubbins`: ^westminster dog show on lsd
nubbins`: there were points in that video where i legitimately felt bad for the guy
ThickAsThieves: Bilk Road
mircea_popescu: basically how did they call that thing where they paid homeless people to be abused ?
nubbins`: bumfights?
mircea_popescu: it's progressing, now you don't even spend money, just give them some crack
mircea_popescu: and pretend it's art or w/e.
mircea_popescu: funny how ideology works.
nubbins`: fun fact, you don't need to pay homeless people to take crack
mircea_popescu: fun fact : homeless people will refuse money, even in high amounts for easy jobs.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, homeless people will not refuse drugs, even cheap shitty drugs, and do anything for some.
mircea_popescu: somehow being paid is demeaning, being drugged is empowering (this year)
nubbins`: guy in video: "things that aren't necessarily interesting become extremely interesting"
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: man, i've already seen this video, and watching it again is making me anxious for him
ThickAsThieves: Is that a term? Doggers? No! Dog People!
ThickAsThieves: even they know niggers.txt
virtuals: mircea_popescu, hey, would quote "a Bitcoin billionaire from Romania" like to donate to a good cause, here is more information: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=263445.msg4873516#msg4873516
mircea_popescu: ty
Apocalyptic: labcoin complaint heh
mircea_popescu: virtuals have you read http://trilema.com/2013/the-anatomy-of-a-scam/ back in august last year ?
Duffer1: alberto about to spend a reallly long time in jail
Apocalyptic: you know mpoe-pr warned it was a scam from the beginnin
nubbins`: 5 bucks says virtualspade takes the money and runs
virtuals: or dont you like to have anyting to do with labcoin, even helping to put alberto to jail
mircea_popescu: virtuals answer the questionm will you.
virtuals: I read that a long time ago, whet question
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mircea_popescu: so then there it is : i already donated to those idiots more than what their skin is on average worth.
mircea_popescu: some took the donation, some didn't.
mircea_popescu: it's how these things work.
mircea_popescu: those that didn't don't get a 2nd round today, it'd be unfair to their betters, that did take it.
virtuals: ok, thank
virtuals: *thanks
mircea_popescu: np
mircea_popescu: but since it's a topic, i wonder if anyone were to make a list of all the supposedly big businesses in btc ordered by the total btc sum they donated to exposing scams,
mircea_popescu: how far on it my say 500 on harnett would put me.
Apocalyptic: what happened with that harnett btw ?
mircea_popescu: he sunk.
Apocalyptic: he just defaulted and disappeared
Apocalyptic: ?
mircea_popescu: yeah.
Apocalyptic: i've read some interesting article about him a while ago
Apocalyptic: written by a supposed investor saying how confident he was, cause Patrick got too much to loose if he ran
mircea_popescu: derp.
mircea_popescu: at the time it was a big deal, people really bought it.
nubbins`: "what good is piles of btc if you don't have your internet friends"
mircea_popescu: more importantly, at the time it was really common, to the point of being a rule, that nobody made public default complaints
mircea_popescu: making it insanely easy for the scammers
mircea_popescu: afaik mpoe-pr going all public with it was absolutely the first case a default was prosecuted in public in btc
mircea_popescu: it set some standards, changed some things, etc.
Apocalyptic: because they were ashamed of being scammed ?
mircea_popescu: yup
mircea_popescu: and because they're generally immoral fuckwits, who'd rather suck up to the scammer as if he were their daddy
mircea_popescu: "can i have at least a little back ?!?!?!"
mircea_popescu: i quoted some stuff from the scamdarknet earlier, pretty much illustrating this style.
nubbins`: "i'm in a really bad spot financially right now"
pankkake: this is still going on :(
jborkl: Just the tip ok? Don't shove it all the way
mircea_popescu: jborkl i got liek 19 inches of pure love throbbin' here :D
jborkl: Lol
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mircea_popescu: pankkake course it is. like infection you know ? there's always going to be bacteria on your skin
mircea_popescu: the idea is for it not to be in the liver or w/e
mircea_popescu: complete sterility is apparently a serious health risk.
nubbins`: not even apparently
mircea_popescu: how you mean ?
nubbins`: how you gonna digest!
mircea_popescu: you only eat shit you don't need help with
nubbins`: pure glucose is a tough diet
mircea_popescu: ikr ?
pankkake: lack of bacteria in modern diets makes digesting harder
nubbins`: speaking of food
pankkake: eat more dirt
nubbins`: i read an article about gut flora of natural vs c-section births recently
nubbins`: was interesting
mircea_popescu: pankkake actually it's possible that the recent rise in ass licking as a sexual practice is fundamentally driven by the need to compensate for a lack of bacterial load in the digestive tract.
mircea_popescu: i wrote about this at some point, in romanian.
pankkake: lol
ThickAsThieves: maybe thats all eating is, humans trying to find the perfect mix of microbes to balance the gut for immortality
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves, it really is
mircea_popescu: possibly.
jborkl: Well it didn't work out for the human centipede
nubbins`: consider that a human is just a bacteria colony surrounded by a fleshy support system
mircea_popescu: lol jborkl
nubbins`: bacteria colony doesn't do so well, fleshy support system suffers
mircea_popescu: nubbins` that view is not unlike the view that human society is basically women trying to survive men fucking their shit up.
mircea_popescu: popular with some nutty groups :D
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: well, kill all the women and see how far you get :P
mircea_popescu: no need to kill them.
decimation: So it seems answer to "why bitcoin?" is "gentlemen prefer blondes" or "choose the black pawn"
decimation: seems legit
nubbins`: i wonder how much of humans' love for cheese, yogurt, cured meats, fermented dishes, etc etc is bacteria telling us what to eat
mircea_popescu: decimation well, if the q is "why bitcoin rather than the altcoin" then yes.
decimation: And if the q is "why bitcoin rather than the fiat" also yes?
ThickAsThieves: is there a religion for this, worshiping bacteria and our role as its protectorate?
mircea_popescu: that q is a lot more complex, but did you read discussion with herbi a few days back ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves only in sf afaik.
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves, it's much more subliminal than religion
nubbins`: is there a religion for being selfish?
mircea_popescu: yes, actually.
nubbins`: heh, as soon as i hit enter
nubbins`: "wait..."
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: so since y'all are a lot more knowledgeable than me : is there a manga/hentai/whatever you call the weird cartoons which is predicated on females being decerebrated at birth, kept on live support systems, used as reproductive furniture ?
mircea_popescu: apparently i broke his client.
Duffer1: the only thing i can think of that comes close isn't a manga
Duffer1: Where Late the Sweet Birds Sang - kate wilhelm i believe
mircea_popescu: this seems kind-of obvious, i thought teh people making them were creative and like... taboo-less
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: sorry, court-controlled regex disconnect
nubbins`: lel, i kid
mircea_popescu: lol
nubbins`: i'm sure there's a "manga" of everything
nubbins`: in the sense that some weirdo drew up a few doodles of exactly this
mircea_popescu: i use the same stereotype :)
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pankkake: I have seen those, but they're not japanese
nubbins`: did i tell you about the drawing i found when cleaning out the rental after the last tenants?
ThickAsThieves: that is exactly the only reason i enjoy some anime and asian horror, no taboo
ThickAsThieves: allows new areas of creativity
Duffer1: lol
nubbins`: some weird masked jester lifting up a My Little Pony's tail to examine the goods?
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 kind-of anvilicious really.
nubbins`: somewhere, someone is wondering "i wonder if that's been done..."
ThickAsThieves: did aeon flux have incubator people in it?
mircea_popescu: pankkake what are they, swiss ?
mircea_popescu: aeon flux had an incredibly disappointing charlize theron in it
Duffer1: the mtv animated series was amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: good god, anyone sane filming that'd have had her half hour nude and the rest in latex.
mircea_popescu: the spray-on kind.
decimation: Yes. I read it earlier and now I re-read it. So the transcendental nature of Bitcoin describes its ontology. Bitcoin's effect on the world of humans is more like that of a soveirgn state.
ThickAsThieves: someone wants to buy some Altcoin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4874054#msg4874054
pankkake: I don't know, I don't think I kept those. I've seen a few novels too. crazy stuff
mircea_popescu: decimation even without going into all of that : bitcoin has massive advantages over fiats. chief among which its fungibility.
decimation: Much like Mr. Yarvin's Goldenstein : http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2008/02/return-to-castle-goldenstein-gold.html
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4873881#msg4873881 << this post is epic.
decimation: Except Bitcoinstein has a much brighter looking future than Goldenstein
mircea_popescu: so succint, yet so universally representative.
mircea_popescu: decimation now you're making me read more of that stuff.
mircea_popescu: it always pisses me off, because the kid is clearly bright and yet clearly wilfully stupid. anyway.
decimation: Sorry. He has his good moments, but I agree he is a spaz
ThickAsThieves: :)
ThickAsThieves: getting my hands on the source will be Altcoin's "2 weeks"
decimation: Bitcoin is immune from legal tender law. Unlike fiat, no bank will be able to force depositors to accept bank credit (in bitcoin) as fungible with actual Bitcoin
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mircea_popescu: well this article does a lot to explain his psychological drive in being so bitcoin-butthurt
mircea_popescu: anyway, the arguments he makes are mostly sound and generally banal, it just so happens they didnt work out for gold.
mircea_popescu: the reason they didn't is that gold has a negative mining return.
mircea_popescu: what i mean by this is : romania sits on a mountain of gold. it was the main source of minable gold for the roman empire, when they finally conquered dacia the local king's treasury financed 100 days of straight games with plenty left over.
mircea_popescu: the austrians mined it, transylvania still sits on a pile of untold millions of ounces.
mircea_popescu: about ten years ago a mining group formed to cut out one certain mountain, convert it to gold (and silver, palladium, tungsten, etc etc) and pay the government 20%
mircea_popescu: (of the gold only).
mircea_popescu: they;ve been trying to push this deal for the entire decade, hiring pr, doing tv shows, paying the idiots living there fiddy bux a head to go "omfg we're dying of hunger", the works.
mircea_popescu: it never worked, to date, it'll never work to date.
mircea_popescu: my objection, and i'm confident the thing that sunk the project (not for it being mine, but for it being sound) is simply this :
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mircea_popescu: why bother with all the digging, all the cyanide ponds, all that, just to get gold out fo the ground, move it 500 miles south west and then... dig a hole, put it there and guard it ?
mircea_popescu: just put up a sign, National Bank of Romania Gold Vault, Rosia Montana Division on that mountain and be don with it.
mircea_popescu: it's,,, just as gold, and just as burried, where it stands.
mircea_popescu: in short : a land deed on a gold field is as good as gold itself. you have a negative incentive to actually mine it.
decimation: Indeed. Gold in the ground as ore is just as good as gold in the ground as a bar.
mircea_popescu: whereas you have a positive incentive to mine bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: so the driving force isn't bitcoin's immunity to the legal tender law,
ThickAsThieves: I actually know a guy that manages contract negotiations between governments and mines
mircea_popescu: it's bitcoin's imunity to the real estate law.
ThickAsThieves: he of course paints this as vital to their nation
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is immune to human agency, which means you can't pass a law to hinder it's fungibility.
mircea_popescu: more importantly tho... there's no rational way to represent property in yet-unmined blocks. this is so obvious it escapes notice
ThickAsThieves: but when 20-yr contracts run out, his job gets trickier
mircea_popescu: yet it;s the more important factor.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i bet.
decimation: Right, unlike anything physical, unmined bitcoin is utterly useless
chetty: You can pass such a law, they pass unenforceable law all the time
mircea_popescu: right-o. precisely BECAUSE it is in no way physical.
ThickAsThieves: isnt everything not a thing useless?
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mircea_popescu: or in other words, the reasons all the "experts" in old-fiat crap give for bitcoin's failure
Duffer1: law where though chetty?
mircea_popescu: are in fact its points of strength
mircea_popescu: this strengthening the chief pillar of all hermeneutics.
decimation: Right, and all the game-theory arguments about savings is really just restating Gresham's law
decimation: except bitcoin is harder than gold
decimation: Goldenstein < Bitcoinstein
mircea_popescu: indeed.
mircea_popescu: he does get a lot of mileage in wordcount out of restating the banal, but he does so in a pleasant form and this is a good thing,
mircea_popescu: you never know which exact word combo is some guy's aha moment.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it's still just as much dicking about with shit we know.
decimation: I find the goldbug's (enemies of the fiatists) objections to bitcoin to be amusing, because they complain about the lack of physicality.
decimation: Whereas that's bitcoin's greatest strength, as you point out.
mircea_popescu: well in their defense, they just rooted for the correct principle their whole life, fighting valliantly for their sanity as an oppressed minority.
mircea_popescu: to have, within their lifetime, their cookie stolen by a newcomer...
ThickAsThieves: Old Republicans
mircea_popescu: imagine if after having pampered jesus for 30 years, the entire thing was suddenly taken over by baby allah.
mircea_popescu: fucking religious war.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves pretty much.
mircea_popescu: so i can understand why a 50 something guy with a bunch of gold bars and no functioning linux distro is fucking pissed at bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: and tbh i kinda feel for him. sadly tho, they also can't be helped, because... as tat points out, "The problem here is that you have no mechanism with which to do so, and that because language is not employed for the purpose you imagine it employed."
ThickAsThieves: and why in 15 years bitcoiners will be crying over some newer thing
Duffer1: i'd be surprised if it took 15 years
ThickAsThieves: me too
decimation: At least James Turk is smart enough to recognize a good thing when he sees it. Hopefully he will get his bitcoin exchange running at some point.
ThickAsThieves: language exists so we dont have to hit each other and grunt to communicate, just more economy at work
ThickAsThieves: probly mostly cuz female facial expressions were never well-interpreted too
mircea_popescu: possibly, tho i find female facials easier to read than males.
mircea_popescu: i suspect the reason is people tend to spend more time looking at other bits, and so lack practice.
mircea_popescu: anyway. it's not clear atm that an improvement on bitcoin is in principle possible.
ThickAsThieves: i always considered myself instinctively above average with body language
mircea_popescu: this is true of gold, too, at least up to about 2005 or so. however... it did take > 2k years with gold.
mircea_popescu: maybe 15 is short. maybe we have 250 years.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so does everyone else.
ThickAsThieves: yeah but me more so!
mircea_popescu: those with good reason for good reason, those without good reason for d-k reasons.
decimation: www.netagio.com <-- has anyone used this exchange?
ThickAsThieves: just realized that this and our prior bacterial topic bring new subtlety to "trust your gut"
mircea_popescu: never seen before.
mircea_popescu: ;;google john cussack "my gut is full of shit"
gribble: High Fidelity - Wikiquote: <http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/High_Fidelity>; This One Time I Met John Cusack And It Changed Everything ...: <http://thoughtcatalog.com/phoenix-askani/2013/05/this-one-time-i-met-john-cusack-and-it-changed-everything/>; John Cusack, Gen X's Favorite Antihero | Mother Jones: <http://www.motherjones.com/media/2008/07/mojo-interview-john-cusack>
pankkake: https://github.com/thiderman/doge
decimation: LoL they have a nifty javascript historical bitcoin-price chart: http://www.netagio.com/market-data
mircea_popescu: did i see 1024 altscamcoin difficulty earlier ? that means you missed no quadrupling yet ?!
Duffer1: any thoughts on the recent high profile bankster suicides?
Apocalyptic: they finally saw their derivative balance
pankkake: mircea_popescu: yup
Apocalyptic: more seriously though, no idea
Duffer1: ha
mircea_popescu: pankkake make a bitbet bet as to how many 4s you get ?
pankkake: I'm not mining anything now :(
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 people generally do not wish to live in any possible world.
mircea_popescu: they have a set of worlds they'll live in, and a set of worlds they won't.
ThickAsThieves: did Altcoin burn out your chips?
pankkake: I guess the bet could be "altcoin difficulty to be exactly X", but I don't know what could be a good number
ThickAsThieves: Altcoin gets listed on Cryptsy is a better bet
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, that implies something must have recently changed that is strong enough to shift the reality to the other category of worlds
pankkake: I think there are too many blocks per second and thus even my good finds get rejected
mircea_popescu: pankkake it could be "altcoin difficulty will be a power of 4 by bitcoin block X"
ThickAsThieves: How about this bet : Altcoin is the best altcoin. This bet resolves as Yes if the answer is No.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic it's not necessarily true. if you won't live in a world without cunt, and right this second i turn all women's crotch into angels' how long would it be before you realise i did it ?
decimation: tat lol
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves somehow i suspect it's not getting accepted :p
ThickAsThieves: cuz your mods have no appreciation for the arts
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, a matter of days i guess
mircea_popescu: so there you go.
ThickAsThieves: just like my schrodinger's bitbet idea
ThickAsThieves: i will see that one implemented before i die!
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves actually, strangest thing : they do! if it has my seal of approval on it, they'll do it even if it makes no sense.
mircea_popescu: now that's art.
ThickAsThieves: thats slavery, not art
decimation: Ja the dictatorship of art is the ideal
mircea_popescu: ^
ThickAsThieves: unless you are Meese...
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic if you've ever seen V for vendetta, there's that scene with "i've already killed you"
mircea_popescu: kinda how the fiat world goes, atm.
Apocalyptic: i've seen it
mircea_popescu: "is it too late to apologize ?" "never" etc.
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nubbins`: hahaha
nubbins`: http://www.canadianart.ca/wp-content/uploads/online/see-it/2008/10/16/jonathan_meese1_800.jpg
Apocalyptic: i don't specifically recall these quotes though
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic mebbe time to re-see it ? :D
Apocalyptic: indeed
nubbins`: http://www.art-magazin.de/asset/Image/KUNST/Meese_Essl/bildstrecke/02-Meese-Essl-003.jpg
nubbins`: what a freak
decimation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9Tuf_uQFFg
mircea_popescu: "Unbelievable as it may sound, the US economy today is a shadow of what it was in the '70s."
mircea_popescu: hahaha for whom exactly would this be unbelievable ?!
mircea_popescu: srsly now.
kakobrekla: http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg4872372#msg4872372
kakobrekla: gotta be persistent, you know, and things turn around.
mircea_popescu: paying forum shills now i see
mircea_popescu: shame on you.
kakobrekla: lol
Apocalyptic: that wasn't a difficult call kako
kakobrekla: why didnt you call it then!?
mircea_popescu: zing.
Apocalyptic: i don't follow the scamining scene
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic perhaps the reason it is an easy call today is that today happens in an universe which was shaped by the uneasy calling yesterday.
kakobrekla: 3 months ago i was getting ripped
mircea_popescu: and perhaps had that not been called then, it'd be just as difficult to call today as it was then, and then you'd know about it,
decimation: In 1975 the US had a trade surplus
decimation: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/02/business/02charts.html?_r=0
mircea_popescu: yet you wouldn't still be following the scene
kakobrekla: when i went saying such things
kakobrekla: now im getting +1 ones.
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> Apocalyptic perhaps the reason it is an easy call today is that today happens in an universe which was shaped by the uneasy calling yesterday. // you may well be right
mircea_popescu: this is a well documented phenomenon in movies/entertainment, where a show that pioneers a lot of new devices that are then amply copied, when seen by later generations seems "stale" and "uninteresting"
nubbins`: pascale's assessment of funds on havelock: "none of these seem to be worth buying"
mircea_popescu: sorta the same thing at work, in the world which it made, which is entirely populated by its clones and copies, it seems... oddly banal.
mircea_popescu: and nobody can understand why anyone thought seinfeld was a big deal in 1995
nubbins`: same thing happens in music
pankkake: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SeinfeldIsUnfunny
mircea_popescu: hence
mircea_popescu: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SeinfeldIsUnfunny
pankkake: héhé!
mircea_popescu: ow fuck!
mircea_popescu: wd lol
pankkake: it even was in my browser history
mircea_popescu: nubbins` definitely happens to music too
mircea_popescu: perhaps happened to music first, actually.
nubbins`: oh sure
decimation: The more white altcoins there are, the more obvious the choice of the black pawn becomes
mircea_popescu: shh :p
mircea_popescu: i keep telling these doods altcoins are useful, and they only don't throw things at me because i'm fucking scary.
decimation: lol
decimation: anyway, if Bitcoinstein rises to rule the world one day, it is likely that the history recorded here will be used as the basis for law
mircea_popescu: there's been some formalisation of this principle going on so far, too.
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nubbins`: any news re: new eulora release?
mircea_popescu: lemme dig it
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2014#470093 ☝︎
nubbins`: cool
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mircea_popescu: virtually priceless lmao
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nubbins`: B.* is pretty lelly
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i tell you, if #bitcoin-assets trollcoin made on a lark ends up disloging doge, you will have SO MUCH angry wanna-be financial darklord butthurt on your hands
nubbins`: was just reading up
mircea_popescu: you won't be able to wash it off in a river.
KRS1: eh wut lol
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KRS1: f'n dogge coin is getting on my last nerve
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ThickAsThieves: is that a bad thing?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
ThickAsThieves: surely it's a resource for something
mircea_popescu: prolly picking up chicks.
kakobrekla: jurov you already got spam in your blogs commens
mircea_popescu: "hi baby, smell m yhands"
kakobrekla: bitbet captcha rulez
mircea_popescu: http://www.coinwarz.com/cryptocurrency << is it not here ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves ^
pankkake: it would have to be on an exchange first
mircea_popescu: "But one question, how to do with my block erupter ?"
mircea_popescu: such win.
ThickAsThieves: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4875170#msg4875170
nubbins`: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Funded-Casascius-25-BTC-Physical-Bitcoin-2011-V2-/281255345385
nubbins`: ^ fake
ThickAsThieves: I decided it prudent not to go convincing people to list ATC til i get that source code
ThickAsThieves: right?
pankkake: right
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4872857#msg4872857 lmao
nubbins`: you might want to remind them that you can't stop them from doing so, though!
nubbins`: heh, dumpîng
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mircea_popescu: pankkake http://bitbet.us/bet/748/altcoin-diff-to-be-power-of-four/
mircea_popescu: got your wish
pankkake: stupid bets get approved fast!
mircea_popescu: i love a good caper.
ThickAsThieves: just sent .1btc on yes
pankkake: someone smart/not lazy could probably game the bet, with enough mining equipment
pankkake: at least for it to be Yes
jurov: kakobrekla i know i just wanted to start something. when it gets bad i'll migrate to something more customized
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Apocalyptic: .d
mircea_popescu: "what's a keylogger"
mircea_popescu: famous words of a guy with a degree. in Exercise and Sport Science
asciilifeform: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ap-exclusive-cia-and-secret-vacuum-cleaner
mircea_popescu: ap has a "bigstory" sub ?!
asciilifeform: nobody cancelled 'idiocracy'; expect a 'bigbooms' sub for war reportage, etc.
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: actually bigbooms sounds quite "in"
mircea_popescu: The prison had a debriefing room, where Mohammed, who saw himself as something of a professor, held "office hours," as he told CIA officers. While chained to the floor, Mohammed would lecture the CIA officers on his path to jihad, his childhood and family. Tea and cookies were served.
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: i am curious whether overall the value of the guy to the cia was greater than the value of the cia to the guy.
mircea_popescu: one of these days one of those agents shoots his comanding officer and then there you have it, you bought m's tea and cookies for him.
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mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=159.0 omfg that board.
mircea_popescu: finally, the kids got what they really wanted all along!
asciilifeform: woah
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=437695.0 omg
mircea_popescu: first page is 13 minutes long
pankkake: logo, gif
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you can read this?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can read anything.
asciilifeform: what i meant was, without retching
mircea_popescu: it's what you get in exchange for a classics education, you can entertain yourself with any string of text.
mircea_popescu: pankkake why the fuck does titscoin wear a bra
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mircea_popescu: btw, you two, that guy's post is a good checklist of what to do. see if you can match all his links
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mircea_popescu: "No one observing the Western governments today can fail to be struck by a massive sense of sleepwalking. There is no unified consciousness or purpose behind their actions. Each of their decisions is an atom unto itself, made through an almost ritualized process by a large number of very intelligent, talented and ambitious people, whose abilities tend to cancel each other almost perfectly, leaving nothing but a chillin
mircea_popescu: g bureaucratic continuity."
mircea_popescu: "a country of laws, not of men" ye wanted, such a country ye now have.
mircea_popescu: dun be a-bitchin' to me.
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mircea_popescu: Professor Bernanke is just that - a professor. He is a specialist in a framework invented to employ specialists. Computer science is full of these research empires, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Detaching your little subfield from reality is the easiest thing in the world. Reconnecting is almost impossible. First, you'd have to admit on your grant application that you'd been studying something other than
mircea_popescu: reality. If that's hard in Berkeley, try Washington.
mircea_popescu: yea, not a bad article really.
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mircea_popescu: diametric btw re the goldstein thing, grep the logs for "republic of bitcoin"
KRS1: http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/242/610/b82.png
KRS1: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101380488
mircea_popescu: also, for our couple greek speaking readers : Απολείπειν ο θεός Αντώνιον.
mircea_popescu: Σαν έξαφνα, ώρα μεσάνυχτ', ακουσθεί αόρατος θίασος να περνά με μουσικές εξαίσιες, με φωνές -- την τύχη σου που ενδίδει πια, τα έργα σου που απέτυχαν, τα σχέδια της ζωής σου
mircea_popescu: που βγήκαν όλα πλάνες, μη ανοφέλετα θρηνήσεις.
mircea_popescu: Σαν έτοιμος από καιρό, σα θαρραλέος, αποχαιρέτα την, την Αλεξάνδρεια που φεύγει.
mircea_popescu: Προ πάντων να μη γελασθείς, μην πείς πως ήταν ένα όνειρο, πως απατήθηκεν η ακοή σου· μάταιες ελπίδες τέτοιες μην καταδεχθείς.
mircea_popescu: Σαν έτοιμος από καιρό, σα θαρραλέος, σαν που ταιριάζει σε που αξιώθηκες μια τέτοια πόλι, πλησίασε σταθερά προς το παράθυρο, κι άκουσε με συγκίνησιν, αλλ' όχι με των δειλών τα παρακάλια και παράπονα,
mircea_popescu: ως τελευταία απόλαυσι τους ήχους, τα εξαίσια όργανα του μυστικού θιάσου, κι αποχαιρέτα την, την Αλεξάνδρεια που χάνεις.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 52 @ 0.04999993 = 2.6 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.02859997 = 0.3146 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 57 @ 0.02899999 = 1.653 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in english, "Good money must have an intrinsic value. The United States of America cannot make its shadow legal tender for debts payable in money without ultimately bringing upon their foreign commerce and their home industry a catastrophe, which will be the more overwhelming the longer the day of wrath puts off its coming. Our federal constitution was designed to end forever the emission of bills of credit a
mircea_popescu: s legal tender in payment of debts, alike by the individual states and the United States; and it will have that effect, if it is rightly interpreted and firmly enforced."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02899999 = 0.29 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ( http://www.constitution.org/gb/gb-plea.htm )
mircea_popescu: the 1800s called, they want their pound of flesh back.
ThickAsThieves: i never realized how useful paulo coelho quotes could be in our world
mircea_popescu: their world, but yea.
ThickAsThieves: “Every blessing ignored becomes a curse.”
ThickAsThieves: “When we strive to become better than we are, everything around us becomes better, too.”
ThickAsThieves: “You will never be able to escape from your heart. So it's better to listen to what it has to say.”
ThickAsThieves: “Everything that happens once can never happen again. But everything that happens twice will surely happen a third time.”
ThickAsThieves: lol
mircea_popescu: fortune cookies ftw.
ThickAsThieves: “Remember that wherever your heart is, there you will find your treasure.”
mircea_popescu: there's an entire subculture dedicated to this stuff (and embroidery) in romania
mircea_popescu: not so in the us huh ?
ThickAsThieves: “It's the possibility of having a dream come true that makes life interesting.”
ThickAsThieves: yeah, lotsa catholic stuff
ThickAsThieves: Footprints, etc
mircea_popescu: yeah. soft catholic, not the anti-abortion rabble-rabble types
mircea_popescu: just... zacharine 70s b movies sort.
ThickAsThieves: http://www.emblibrary.com/EL/product_images/A2296.jpg
ThickAsThieves: i like that domain name, cute
mircea_popescu: wow. such deep.
mircea_popescu: many footprint.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04800787 = 0.144 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.175 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.17 = 1.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.175 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 16 @ 0.24310363 = 3.8897 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 95 @ 0.00292 = 0.2774 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 45359 @ 0.00009781 = 4.4366 BTC [+] {10}
asciilifeform: so casascius is alive.
asciilifeform: therefore, recipe: QT9701B or newer (Quantum Research Ltd.)
asciilifeform: charge-transfer capacitance sensor (femtofarad!)
asciilifeform: then, do the obvious (or do i have to draw a picture.)
asciilifeform: the experiment's result, especially if positive, will be highly educational.
asciilifeform: (there's gotta be somebody here with a set of balls /and/ free time both...)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 100 @ 0.005 = 0.5 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 410 @ 0.00448494 = 1.8388 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 19412 @ 0.00009889 = 1.9197 BTC [+] {6}
asciilifeform: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/31/footage-released-guardian-editors-snowden-hard-drives-gchq
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9841 @ 0.00010635 = 1.0466 BTC [+] {13}
Duffer1: ya you teach those files a lesson
Duffer1: that surely fixed the leak
Duffer1: oh wow so they just blatantly threatened to shut down the guardian..
asciilifeform: Duffer1: if you believe the words coming out of the mouthpiece wholesale, then sure
asciilifeform: more likely they threatened a pederasty conviction or somesuch for someone relevant
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00540444 = 0.2702 BTC [-] {6}
Duffer1: oh i just read: "Asked if Downing Street really intended to close down the Guardian if it did not comply, Robbins confirmed: "I'm saying this."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
asciilifeform: it isn't like you and i were there and heard what was said.
asciilifeform: all we have is the article
asciilifeform: no reason to suppose it wasn't dictated.
asciilifeform: (one of the purposes of 'totalitarian surveillance' is, when they whisper: 'newspaper magnates can also have problems' and he asks 'how', there will be a relevant and persuasive answer.)
asciilifeform: 'cooperate like a gentleman or you'll rape someone in sweden tonight.'
jurov: yes, govt agent are infinitely cunning or incredibly stupid...whichever befits the conspiration theoris
jurov: *theorist
asciilifeform: these folks have been learning the fine art of human-to-mupper conversion for more than half a century.
asciilifeform: *muppet
asciilifeform: no special cunning required. just an unbounded willingness to use violence - 'soft violence' of disinformation on the rubes, the 'hard' variety for people who matter
mircea_popescu: ah ifonly it were that simple
mircea_popescu: what wunderking of a state would caesar have run
asciilifeform: caesar + mass broadcasting would've been a marvel.
asciilifeform: but worlds with mass chumpcasting don't produce caesars.
mircea_popescu: so then no +
mircea_popescu: "A lot of people in government think you should be closed down."
mircea_popescu: derp you know, as if that ever was different
mircea_popescu: tbh sounds morel ike guardian vying to retain relevance than anything
mircea_popescu: fact is, they failed to publish. who needs a sob story ?
ThickAsThieves: okay i will need a lil help with the Altcoin source
ThickAsThieves: he's getting it, but says we'll need to sort something about the genesis block
ThickAsThieves: [14:03] <BlueMatt> the only issue is the genesis block is like timestamped or so to make them all unique
ThickAsThieves: [14:04] <BlueMatt> so you'd need to figure out the genesis block, but other than that it would be the same
ThickAsThieves: [14:05] <BlueMatt> you could dump the genesis block via rpc, I think
mircea_popescu: well and he doesn't know the timestamp ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, yeah, you can have altcoind dump any arbitrary block
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60999996 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: he doesnt know the timestamp
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform : "Two GCHQ technical experts – "Ian" and "Chris" – recorded the process on their iPhones. " <<< law enforceement never fails to unintentionally entertain part 5487649587695
mircea_popescu: well point out to the guy it might not be the worst of ideas to store that at creation just as a convenience.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40150 @ 0.00091397 = 36.6959 BTC [+] {5}
ThickAsThieves: sounds like he's sold coingen.io or something
ThickAsThieves: it's "in transition"
mircea_popescu: o
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.17 = 1.36 BTC [-]
pankkake: maybe a coingen.io providing an exchange and bootstrap nodes could work better
pankkake: but that would not hide the fact that it was generated, though…
pankkake: (the endgame being destroying altcoins by flooding the market)
ThickAsThieves: "Coding bootcamps are scrambling to figure out how they can save their programs"
ThickAsThieves: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04999596 = 0.2 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "With zero premine... I'm not criticising, just wondering how you can pay bounties?" see, you're doing it right already.
pankkake: haha, that bounty thing
pankkake: kinda like paying contractors with shares, I think
mircea_popescu: i love how he's taking the entire absurdist angle up to 11
mircea_popescu: pagefuls of retarded quotes and shit. so much win this.
pankkake: "I can't pay you, but would you like some shares of my facebook for dogs website?"
mircea_popescu: pankkake it's a step up from designerhell's commonplace "i can't pay you but you should do it for fun anyway".
pankkake: I've read a designer blog or something, yeah… I don't envy them
mircea_popescu: http://www.27bslash6.com/p2p2.html
ozbot: "It's like twitter. Except we charge people to use it."
pankkake: well, actually, app.net did it.
pankkake: it got momentary hype and is probably dead now
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/all-you-may-ever-need-to-know-of-financial-planning/
ozbot: All you may ever need to know of financial planning pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
ThickAsThieves: so Kelly = Jesus ?
mircea_popescu: nah, just some bell labs fellow
mircea_popescu: pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4879408#msg4879408 << give the kid some atcs too eh.
pankkake: ?
mircea_popescu: he's the one photochopping the altcoin into whatever altcoin site screencap
mircea_popescu: ima give him a bitcent, cause you gotta encourage kids. give him some altcoin too neh ?
pankkake: oh, of course
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.175 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.028 = 0.364 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 24 @ 0.00448505 = 0.1076 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: are we gonna se altcoin options on mpex
kakobrekla: see
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
mircea_popescu: options no, but futures perhaps.
mircea_popescu: if a major player in some alt gets his shit together.
kakobrekla: he said some alt.
mircea_popescu: wait so ?
mircea_popescu: s.mpoe statement rectified (~5.4 extra btc expenses on mpex sheet)
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4879803#msg4879803
ozbot: [NEW] The REAL Altcoin
mircea_popescu: dude this thread is so much fun
mircea_popescu: who knew all it took was not premining. certainly all the 5464598769485 derps in the subforum there hadn't figured it out, their premine is like their holy grail
mircea_popescu: clearly satoshi had done that wrong, and clearly they be fixin' it.
kakobrekla: there is no 'some alt'
kakobrekla: just the alt
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC
mircea_popescu: omg come see the violence inherent in the system
mircea_popescu: you see him repressing me ?
mircea_popescu: you saw him didn't you!
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOOTKA0aGI0
ozbot: Dennis The Constitutional Peasant - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1499 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00091087 = 17.1244 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00579426 = 0.1333 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC
mircea_popescu: "Everyone that is saying that I have some kind of gambling addiction is a douche and they can go and die in hell. I have never had and I will never had a fucking gambling problem."
mircea_popescu: sounds convincing.
mircea_popescu: lmao "galtcoin", libertyblabla, scrypt, only 1k coins (20 blocks) premined for "testing"
mircea_popescu: 2nd post ? ""blocks" : 13158,". premined to all hell.
mircea_popescu: pumper answer ? "o we had an [unannounced] open beta" but srsly, we don't mean to do any harm"
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=441403.msg4850402#msg4850402
ozbot: [ANN]GaltCoin - Full Release
mircea_popescu: back to the age old "speculator's fault! i swear!"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4866879#msg4866879 << he has a point btw. prolly best chase down the new owners of coingen and nail them to a wall.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 42 @ 0.00310008 = 0.1302 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00090855 = 17.8076 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: shhh http://therealaltcoin.org
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
mircea_popescu: btw, get bluematt to take off w/e links/watermarks/anything nao.
ThickAsThieves: thats partly why i want the source
ThickAsThieves: to bounty people to clean it
mircea_popescu: i think he does it for like 100 bux, prolly cheapest.
ThickAsThieves: oh thats an option too?
mircea_popescu: afaik, nae.
ThickAsThieves: paying attention as a new CEO, not easy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.028 = 0.112 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=444169.0
ozbot: [BaLBOND] - Pre IPO - Bitcoin's Only Exchangeable Bond
ThickAsThieves: BEXBOND
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/429721375452848128
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Hey @dogecoin, prepare to eat ...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 189 @ 0.00447956 = 0.8466 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: btw, if you want to know who we're pissing in the ear of, it's this kid : https://twitter.com/jacksonpalmer
mircea_popescu: and it doesn't seem he has much dough left, either.
mircea_popescu: adobe fuckwit.
ThickAsThieves: he made dogecoin, or?
ThickAsThieves: i will use adobe to slay him!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 49865 @ 0.00011199 = 5.5844 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.1749 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.175 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4880796#msg4880796 <
assbot: 123!
ozbot: [NEW] The REAL Altcoin
ThickAsThieves: You see this Goat ad in the forum?
ThickAsThieves: just text that says "Goat says: "Bitcoin is NOT Illegal in Thailand. There is no law against Bitcoin in Thailand!""
mircea_popescu: kik
mircea_popescu: good for him.
mircea_popescu: thermos is now taking goat's coin ? how much difference does a year make when you're 25, i swear.
ThickAsThieves: http://therealaltcoin.org/Altcoininati.jpg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.0280909 = 0.309 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 90 @ 0.0028 = 0.252 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: you need a blockchain reader
kakobrekla: and dice
kakobrekla: and faucet
pizzaman1337: and mpex for altcoin
kakobrekla: ThickAsThieves why not niggers.jpg
ThickAsThieves: altcoin will get exactly what it needs at exactly the right moment
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: the 'rogue' in your latest post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rog-O-Matic
asciilifeform: http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~appel/papers/rogomatic.html
ozbot: ROG-O-MATIC: A Belligerent Expert System
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=437950.0;all << this is fucking retarded in typical manner.
ozbot: [CGA] Cryptographic Anomaly - Rarest Coin EVER - RELEASED!!
mircea_popescu: jesus my brain is melting.
asciilifeform: when do we get 'EGA'? 'VGA' ? coins
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that was afaik the best thing ai experts ever came up with.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00091382 = 8.9554 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: anyway, cga stands for anomaly w/e the fuck. the guy's idea is that the block reward for solved blocks is 0 unless some extended-modulo conditions of difficulty are met.
mircea_popescu: which he intended to make simple more-power equations unreliable
mircea_popescu: but which in fact simply make solo mining even less feasible.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.175 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: typical "we will fix this" government approach resulting in shooting own foot
jurov: kakobrekla: pm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 150 @ 0.00262032 = 0.393 BTC [-] {8}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Eurisko' was pretty good, despite the fact that the author 'turned scammer' afterward.
mircea_popescu: i dunno that one.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he never published the source, but i dug up a good bit of it via FOIA requests.
mircea_popescu: "You really are a fucking idiot and have no idea what you are talking about. The project I am working on will be more successful than twitter within a year. When I sell the project for 40 million dollars I will ignore any emails from you begging to be a part of it and will send you a postcard from my yaght."
asciilifeform: (Lenat was 100% usg-funded)
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: well it just goes to show i don't realy master that space :)
mircea_popescu: wait.
asciilifeform: me, i was never master, only an armchair archaeologiest.
mircea_popescu: is this the expert system that blew the usnavy staff outof water ?
asciilifeform: the very same.
mircea_popescu: ah!
asciilifeform: he had it play 'traveller,' a (now very ancient) space-war sim
asciilifeform: and won so thoroughly that he was banned from the tourneys
mircea_popescu: tho to be honest... it's success had more to do with bureaucratic idiocy
mircea_popescu: (kind of the reason nobody seriously believes the us has any real chance in any serious military confrontation)
asciilifeform: actually the u.s. navy lusing is more to do with the invention of the modern anti-ship rocket
mircea_popescu: it strictly won by exploiting badly written rules, neh ?
asciilifeform: (any naval battle with something other than muppet state should be expected to include such rockets)
mircea_popescu: a you meant in practice.
mircea_popescu: it wouldn't even have to go that far. just, you know... england beat spain into the dirt by using privateers.
mircea_popescu: spain at the time was roughly the us of today : immense empire run by idiots, access to all the gold in the world that did them no service etc etc.
asciilifeform: http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=14095
asciilifeform: (brief summary)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00090853 = 15.1725 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: personal crackpottery:
asciilifeform: dollars to doughnuts that lenat did not write eurisko. ☟︎
asciilifeform: a student or other subordinate did
asciilifeform: because the thing he did for the next 25 years was a ridiculous and worthless usg boondoggle
mircea_popescu: actually, if there's any merit in the theory of history repeating itself, we could guess that the largest bubble for the next ~3 centuries will be the result of a RoB corporation being granted the priviledge to trade one ships' worth of drugs in the us as a result of a defeatr of the us in battle.
mircea_popescu: hm... that's possible. the alternate crackpottery, of course, being that his actual work is still classified
mircea_popescu: and a student did the boondoggle.
pizzaman1337: mpex seriously made 1`830 BTC from new accounts in Jan? insane
mircea_popescu: perhaps a very tall, slender student perfectly capable to suck a golfball through a garden hose.
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 you know! nobody goes "mercedes srsly sold 50 cars in 2014 ?! ?!?!"
asciilifeform: all of this quite possible. u.s. reportedly had some very spiffy logistics code in gulf war I.
mircea_popescu: it's best showing on the battlefiled for a long... long time.
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: well, nice work. It's just hard to believe, I suppose.
asciilifeform: re: mpex performance and outraged lusers: there was an article, many years ago, discussing an overheard: 'is that a real program, or is that something somebody wrote'
pizzaman1337: ;;ticker --market bitstamp
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 822.57, Best ask: 822.91, Bid-ask spread: 0.34000, Last trade: 822.91, 24 hour volume: 7141.70092059, 24 hour low: 800.76, 24 hour high: 827.38, 24 hour vwap: 814.575137306
asciilifeform: the uninitiated tend to group mpex as 'something somebody wrote'
asciilifeform: while mercedes as 'a real program'
pizzaman1337: ;;calc 822.57 * 1800.90483924
gribble: 1481370.29361
asciilifeform: and their brains hurt
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this more or less reduces to your old observation that 'your dog thinks that you are an exceptionally large dog of the same type'
asciilifeform: http://everything2.com/title/EURISKO
ozbot: EURISKO - Everything2.com
mircea_popescu: something like that
mircea_popescu: pankkake incidentally, what's diff at ?
pankkake: 4096
mircea_popescu: .d
ozbot: 2193847870.17428 | Next Diff in 610 blocks | Estimated Change: 17.0561% in 3d 12h 14m 55s
mircea_popescu: meh
pizzaman1337: it'll catch up
mircea_popescu: 283645
pankkake: that's not going to help me win the diff under 10% bet :(
mircea_popescu: it actually might keep it going to 285k
mircea_popescu: actually... perversely enough that bet depends on there not being a lot of power thrown in early.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 184 @ 0.00084476 = 0.1554 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3473 @ 0.00091473 = 3.1769 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116527 @ 0.00091598 = 106.7364 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.00574505 = 0.1034 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00549423 = 0.2198 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.1749 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10233 @ 0.00090918 = 9.3036 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85000 @ 0.00092071 = 78.2604 BTC [+] {5}
deadweasel: pankkake: start pumping out altcoins like TAT, maybe you'll pull some off btc ;)
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-an-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-folowers-for-fun-and-profit/
mircea_popescu: i thought they were pumping it together.
jurov: no xenu. bot good.
jurov: *but
mircea_popescu: hello sir
mircea_popescu: we here at mp house all halal, no xenu at all.
decimation: TAT's altcoin should be ported to work inside Ethereum
decimation: maybe you can trade altcoin for ethers or whatever
mircea_popescu: does that actually require any chances on the coin side ?
mircea_popescu: ethereum can just do it neh ?
jurov: i vote for porting bernankoin
decimation: right, Ethereum just does whatever, because it's turing complete.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6067 @ 0.00091685 = 5.5625 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: [17:41] <lewicki> by your definition that makes Altcoin just as purposeless though, right?
ThickAsThieves: [17:44] <ThickAsThieves> Wrong, i just stated its purpose. Without Altcoin, all altcoins would be purposeless.
deadweasel: and the circle of life goes on.
deadweasel: circle-jerk*
mircea_popescu: my magical future predictive ai (whose name is joan) fails to predict any possible alternative to this thing taking over altspace.
mircea_popescu: it's just too stupid for anything else.
Namworld: Wait, in the header. What's the name on the board. It ends with O.
mircea_popescu: Namworld some localised monopoly.
Namworld: Looks like it's written "Monopolio". Is that it?
mircea_popescu: i think so
mircea_popescu: spanish or italian or some shit
Namworld: Weird
Namworld: Couldn't they have just changed the y for an i? Monopoli
Namworld: Would have sounded about the same as in english that way.
mircea_popescu: i suppose when people localise shit how it sounds in english is not a consideration.
nubbins`: netduino
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55000 @ 0.00095705 = 52.6378 BTC [+] {4}
nubbins`: as an aside, i find "scammor" to be a pleasant, if unintentional, spelling
mircea_popescu: no, it was intentional.
nubbins`: even more pleasant, then
mircea_popescu: hacker - haxxor
pankkake: is that glamor+scammer?
nubbins`: brings me back to a heated grade-school argument over "better" vs "bettor" to describe one who bets
mircea_popescu: scammer - scammor. to distinguish between the fucktard and the person sort-of doing it, technically, but with coolness excuses.
pankkake: so when you get scammed, you can say "at least the guy was good"
mircea_popescu: pankkake ever been with a hooker ?
nubbins`: hookor
mircea_popescu: lol
pankkake: no
mircea_popescu: koh-i-noor
nubbins`: haha
mircea_popescu: well, my next question was, ever been with a hooker you didn't mind paying.
nubbins`: AMAZING PENS
nubbins`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koh-i-Noor_Hardtmuth
mircea_popescu: yup. i ate a lot of those.
nubbins`: they're popular with screenprinters who do things the old-school way (ink on vellum)
mircea_popescu: some scams are fun. you go to vegas and drop a coupla grand, whatever, it's an amusement park.
nubbins`: i think most people doing that don't have fun
pankkake: I'm too much of a scrooge to ever pay for those things
mircea_popescu: how are the girls supposed to live if you don't pay ?
nubbins`: scrooge de canard
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: du
nubbins`: right!
nubbins`: it's always the small words that give me trouble
mircea_popescu: scrooge enchaine du canard nue
mircea_popescu: this could actually be a club.
pankkake: neither of you make sense
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: what, we can't just pick random mots and use them dans a phrase?!
mircea_popescu: they be not random!
mircea_popescu: enchainé, there. happy ?
mircea_popescu: fucking accents and special chars all the time.
nubbins`: ^ this
pankkake: maybe it's my throbbing headache
lippoper: .bait is offline? :-(
pankkake: cricital infrastructure down!
nubbins`: written accents indicate a massive failure
mircea_popescu: let's reconstruct this! lmao.
pankkake: yet no one noticed gribble being offline for a few hours
lippoper: lol
nubbins`: tbh i was waiting for an AMAZING COMPANY! earlier
nubbins`: wait, isn't that assbot?
lippoper: Can't go fishing without bait
kakobrekla: maybe assbot is not mac compatible
kakobrekla: i dunno
nubbins`: yeah, maybe ;p
pankkake: assbot is case sensitive
lippoper: assbot needs to start producing some ass bait
pankkake: amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
nubbins`: amazIng
pankkake: AMAZiNG
nubbins`: huh.
nubbins`: well then
kakobrekla: is it really?
kakobrekla: AMAZING
lippoper: World's finest!
kakobrekla: it is.
nubbins`: http://mentalunlockdown.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/The-more-you-know.png
pankkake: I was expecting you to troll us, kakobrekla
pankkake: I am disappoint
kakobrekla: myea
pankkake: http://i.imgur.com/OgXjrGQ.png that timing was amazing though
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
kakobrekla: but you expected it , so it wouldnt be fun
nubbins`: separated at birth
nubbins`: (by several thousand miles)
kakobrekla: lol
nubbins`: (and probably several years)
pankkake: XORed at birth
nubbins`: "do you want a vag birth or a c-section?"
nubbins`: "yes, please"
nubbins`: did i mention earlier about that gut flora article i was reading?
mircea_popescu: yes you did.
nubbins`: interesting stuff
lippoper: yes no need to bring it up
nubbins`: the take-away i got from it is that you should smear shit on your newborn if you Aliened it into the world
nubbins`: and no, before you ask, i'm not a doctor
pankkake: just eat on the floor
mircea_popescu: kinda why pre-birth enemas went out of fashion
nubbins`: wow, before my time, i gues
nubbins`: altho TBF even if it wasn't, would i have known?
mircea_popescu: they did it all the way to the ww2.
lippoper: Women stiil had bush
mircea_popescu: specifically to avoid the female "shit on your baby" reflex.
nubbins`: now the child is immediately dipped in Purell hand sanitizer
lippoper: No one really knew what a vag looked like thanks to all the bush
nubbins`: only the men who earned their wings knew, you mean
nubbins`: pankkake, is that a monospace font?
lippoper: there was a lot of troll in the last sentence
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4883001#msg4883001
mircea_popescu: gotta love all the noob posters hardcoring tat.
pankkake: yes. Droid Sans Mono
nubbins`: :(
mircea_popescu: i tell you, i've had so much fun with this thread these days...
lewicki: WTB Altcoins
nubbins`: "Did I do the math wrong or is this really larger than all other altcoins atm?"
mircea_popescu: pankkake has some.
nubbins`: HAHAHAHAHA
pankkake: I'm not selling!
mircea_popescu: why not ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56001101 BTC [-]
nubbins`: to the ceiling!
pankkake: lol
pankkake: I'm going to convince my dentist to accept it instead
nubbins`: i'm going to convince tat that he needs t-shirts for all
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.171 = 0.342 BTC [-]
jurov: pankkake: tellhim to add liquuidity to teeht/altcoin market
jurov: *teeth
jurov: derp
pankkake: I will have a used crown soon
lewicki: So, no Altcoins for sale?
jurov: i have altcoin futures
jurov: with bitcoin delivery
mircea_popescu: lewicki apparently the miners don't wanna sell yet.
Vexual: price is 0.0004 per each
pankkake: > poneytelecom.eu
mircea_popescu: ya srsly wtf.
mircea_popescu: Vexual get on a horse man.
pankkake: haha, that's the Free.fr guys, I knew I saw it earlier
lewicki: that 100k marketcap, yeah, nty
mircea_popescu: lewicki let the diff stabilize some first anyway.
mircea_popescu: shoot in the dark at this point
pankkake: I can't find any new block…
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/748/altcoin-diff-to-be-power-of-four/ << you gotta be kidding me, that's like... how many dogecoins total bet ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
Vexual: 0.0004 is just south of 1%
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1299 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Vexual how many atcs do you have anyway
Vexual: 8 blocks
mircea_popescu: that's wat, 400 ?
mircea_popescu: or did it halve already
Vexual: 4000
nubbins`: nice
nubbins`: there's your xmas shopping done
mircea_popescu: lol
pankkake: halvings seem very far
Vexual: ima buy me a arcehorse
mircea_popescu: archerhorse ? wow.
nubbins`: call him 'stable'
nubbins`: D;
Vexual: i like it
nubbins`: then release him
mircea_popescu: pankkake what's it at, 30k blocks ?
Vexual: 13k
mircea_popescu: well... if diff is 4k it cant be 13k can it ?
pankkake: 262144
mircea_popescu: each retarget is 2k
mircea_popescu: 262k wtf ?!
pankkake: yay got 0.00000122 BTC shilling for bitbet ☟︎
mircea_popescu: like a whole altcoin.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00090614 = 17.3526 BTC [-]
pankkake: not even a doge :(
mircea_popescu: is a doge over 100 nao?
ThickAsThieves: i chose the stats by multiplying 512, and the doing 515 ^ 512
ThickAsThieves: [18:22] <nubbins`> there's your xmas shopping done <<< lol
ThickAsThieves: 512 is the altcoininati number for infinity
ThickAsThieves: if you overlap the 5 and the 2 then use the 1 as the connector
ThickAsThieves: do you SEE it?
Vexual: shit, 8
Vexual: infinity upended
mircea_popescu: come to think about it, vexual should be altcoin mascot.
mircea_popescu: he's like naturally coelho-ish
Vexual: im busy printing privatekeys under bottlecaps for stripclubs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.171 = 0.342 BTC [-]
jurov: vexual what are patrons to do with the caps, again?
mircea_popescu: gotta keep busy somehow
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=47417.msg4883114#msg4883114 "Can we PLEASE stop supporting cgminer as the mining solution"
Vexual: jurov you let the lass who takes the wire off the bottle keep it
jurov: yes? i thought it's supposed to be put onto striper's body somehow
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=402667.0
mircea_popescu: dude the effort these people put into it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1000 @ 0.00540228 = 5.4023 BTC [-] {17}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00043014 = 0.4301 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 249 @ 0.00042418 = 0.1056 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
ThickAsThieves: very logos
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/C3hxESa.png
mircea_popescu: check out that crazy shit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.171 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9945 @ 0.00091541 = 9.1038 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.171 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04800001 = 0.192 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.173 = 0.346 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: Just for the record: Approximate price for 1 ALT should be 0.00000549 BTC or 0.0002 LTC or 0.44 cents.
mircea_popescu: (Hashrate is 8900x lower than BTC but in addition to that the reward is also 20.48x higher than BTC.)
mircea_popescu: gotta love this logic.
Vexual: but when it is the only alt?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
Vexual: which it is
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1199 BTC [-]
Vexual: so theres around 1.2 blocks to the block
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
mircea_popescu: "My estimate yields market cap 37.5 BTC."
mircea_popescu: herp.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 350 @ 0.00042001 = 0.147 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.1745 = 0.349 BTC [+] {2}
Namworld: 37.5 BTC market cap? Amazing!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 341 @ 0.00082731 = 0.2821 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: Value-added!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 148 @ 0.00082555 = 0.1222 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00090884 = 8.4522 BTC [-]
deadweasel: when does it get listed on cryptsy? that's when the others start to die
deadweasel: all flow into 20.48x reward!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.175 = 0.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 352 @ 0.00082555 = 0.2906 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: http://imgur.com/r/Bitcoin/kqrYBFI
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.175 = 0.35 BTC [+]
pankkake: wat
Namworld: Even Facebook is showing me ads for gold and silver coins.
Vexual: that cuban took krss lady
mircea_popescu: that's the worst looking crack whore i ever saw.
kleeck: Wasn't that a confirmed paid prostitute?
Vexual: 6 confirmations
kleeck: lol
kleeck: Of course.
mircea_popescu: don't even want to think about what her skin looked like
kleeck: She wasn't getting through the gate with less than 6.
mircea_popescu: poor woman.
kleeck: What a great way to legitimize Bitcoin!
Namworld: Have you ever had so much crack you turned golden from the sheer intake of value into your body?
kleeck: Yes. That was a good year...
mircea_popescu: no, but i've seen girls with spots so bad painting them with a wide brush was the only way.
mircea_popescu: o look who's back. when did you get out ?