tmsr - Log 2015-05-03

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Pierre_Rochard: Got started with a couple of diagrams: http://pacio.li/Documentation/Introduction

assbot: Pacioli ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6HPk2 )

ben_vulpes: neat

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decimation: re: ac power failure on 787 < actually my understanding is that most jetliners actually have a crank-out windmill to power basic navigation systems

decimation: althought in the case of the 787 I think it lacks hydraulics, so it would take a fair bit of power to move the electric controls

decimation: yes, indeed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tXobY4ZWbc < a video of the 787 landing with the ram air turbine (pop out windmill) deployed ☟︎

assbot: Thai Airways 787 Dreamliner Landing w/ Focus on the RAM Air Turbine @ KPAE Paine Field - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dE27oo )

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 316350 @ 0.00026132 = 82.6686 BTC [+] {3}

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2015#1118707 << methinks it sohuld have showed up by now ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 02-05-2015 22:59:54; Ralph: Waiting for my payout on the "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" bet so I can bet the Mayweather - Pacquiao fight.

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2015#1118708 << should prolly work. ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 02-05-2015 23:02:20; jurov: dunno what would happen if you generated an addy for second bet and used it straight as payout to first

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2015#1118731 << the thing is, it's not even may yet. it's going to be a painful summer. that place's slowly but surely becoming ungovernable, and with the extreme frailty of the jit style they deployed everywhere... there's little if any redundancy. ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 02-05-2015 23:17:43; jurov: fucking police state, this

mircea_popescu: all it takes practically is to break it once, then it's broken.

mircea_popescu: "1 Police Plaza" lol. srsly ?

decimation: note that the complaints of the rabble never hold up to any reasonable examination

decimation: http://softwareandmind.com/ < some guy derping about the 'mechanistic myth'

assbot: Software and Mind: The Mechanistic Myth and Its Consequences ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYM805 )

decimation: "In this book we are concerned with one particular myth – the mechanistic myth; and we are especially concerned with its latest manifestation – the software myth. Mechanism is the belief that everything can be represented as a hierarchical structure; that is, as a structure of things within things."

mircea_popescu: that's a particularly inept statement of mechanism.

decimation: that's what I thought

mircea_popescu: linear interactions.

mircea_popescu: that everything can be put into a tree is a trivial bit of graph theory.

decimation: apparently he goes on for 8 chapters about how this 'myth' is ruining western civilization

decimation: "We are aware of lost alternatives only if we once had them. If we had to abandon words, for example, and restrict ourselves to ready-made sentences and ideas, we would immediately recognize the dramatic impoverishment in language-related processes."

decimation: " But programming is a new human endeavour, and the software charlatans gained control of our software-related affairs, and restricted them, before we could discover all possible alternatives – all the ways that human minds can find to create and use software. Software controlled by an elite is the only software we have ever had, so we cannot know what we have lost."

decimation: apparently he's just another shanonizer

cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRe5IWlcYlU&app=desktop fight stream if anyone was looking for one

assbot: django jesus2 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYMBj6 )

mircea_popescu: does he go into "privilege" yet ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu et al: compare with http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1118051 thread ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 17:50:39; mircea_popescu: in a "consumer driven" ideas market... the "ideas" will look like the derps.

asciilifeform: i used to have a whole butterfly collection of links to folks 'like my site but with schizo'

mircea_popescu: lol

mircea_popescu: girls have private collections of "like mp but with stupid"

decimation: I was thinking about the quantity of language as I was going through my books today. amazon has an app that lets you scan a book - even just the cover picture - and it will instantly return the price

decimation: the vast majority of books are selling used for $0.01

asciilifeform: basic pattern, as in linked thread, folks see a problem. (typically, one that requires a certain amount of societal programming failing to anchor in the brain, or having been dislodged in one way or another) but do not have the constructive abilities to see anything but 'remove the cia microwave horn from the neighbour's balcony' as solution space

mircea_popescu: decimation someone here had written the algorithm for that.

decimation: yes, another quote: "Along with the mechanistic myth, our elites too have turned from good to 24 the mechanistic myth introduction bad. The elites defend the mechanistic myth because it is through this belief that they hold their privileged position."

asciilifeform: www.celiagreen.com << rare female version of this animal

asciilifeform: (summary: science is broken because, among other things, no one will give green a tenured mega-sinecure to study telepathy)

asciilifeform: ^ summary of green's works, that is

asciilifeform: tenacious critter, has been going at it for decades, it seems.

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mircea_popescu: decimation i've noticed that a good heuristic is, if (grep -c "privilege" > 1) break;

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's bayesian antispamatron must be a real hoot

mircea_popescu: somehow this idea that "privilege = bad" is getting passed around a certain group of idiots as given gospel.

mircea_popescu: hasn't even been investigated at any point, it's just revelation or something.

asciilifeform: they have more of a 'bad is privilege' thing

decimation: well, he is also melding the idea that the 'software factory' model is retarded into this

decimation: but I don't really follow that

mircea_popescu: well the software factory is definitel yretarded.

asciilifeform: decimation: the realization that software and computing in general as it exists is deeply and profoundly retarded, dawned on many people

mircea_popescu: "Celia Green is a philosopher and psychologist"

mircea_popescu: "that likes to write in the third person"

decimation: sure, but does that mean that hierarchical classification is a conspiracy?

asciilifeform: decimation: to some of these folks, the beige and black that pc chassis traditionally come in is the conspiracy

asciilifeform: there are at least as many idiocies as there idiots to conceive of them

asciilifeform: http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html << obligatory

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYNuIq )

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decimation: "The mechanistic software beliefs, in particular, have permitted a powerful software elite to arise. In just a few decades, organizations that have in fact little to offer us have attained so much power that they practically control society. As we will see in the course of this book, their power rests almost entirely on mechanistic software delusions, and on the stupidity engendered by these delusions."

asciilifeform: ^ cheap n-th generation plagiarism of weizenbaum (of eliza) 'computer power and human reason'

asciilifeform: http://www.scribd.com/doc/174003340/Joseph-Weizenbaum-Computer-Power-and-Human-Reason-From-Judgement-to-Calculation-1976#scribd << warez copy ☟︎☟︎

assbot: Joseph Weizenbaum Computer Power and Human Reason From Judgement to Calculation 1976 ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYOc8B )

asciilifeform: (weizenbaum made specific predictions re: electronic enablement of massive welfare bureaucracy, etc.)

decimation: yeah this guy seems to be derping that the 'software elites' have seized control and are starving the masses

decimation: he reminds me of that jeron lanier guy

asciilifeform: it somehow grates the ear less coming out of a broke schizo than a fella like lanier

mircea_popescu: yeah. the powerful software elite is out there crushing its cessna in irs tax offices.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: presumably the particular crackpot meant 'those who decide what is written' rather than the worker bees

mircea_popescu: i wish to meet these people.

mircea_popescu: as far as i know, not even linus "decides what is written"

mircea_popescu: definitely nobody in redmond

asciilifeform: they 'decide' to approximately the same degree as obama

asciilifeform: largely, the structure of the idiotron decides for them.

mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> ^ cheap n-th generation plagiarism of weizenbaum (of eliza) 'computer power and human reason' << this diagnosis is exactly correct, i am persuaded.

mircea_popescu: pretty much all of the us consists of john smiths, rewriting the bible in their own name.

asciilifeform: tbh weizenbaum is in no sense the originator of the 'mega-computerized bureaucracy will crush all souls' meme

decimation: "Application development, thus, will soon require no programmers. An analyst or manager will specify the requirements by interacting with a sophisti- cated development system, and the computer will do the rest: “There is a major revolution happening in software and system design.... The revolution is the replacement of manual design and coding with automated design and coding.”Ñ "

asciilifeform: but he is the single most articulate dissector of it, of the ones in my library, and so i pick him.

mircea_popescu: kinda how culture works.

mircea_popescu: shakespeare was also not the first to derp about derpy themes

decimation: he didn't even write it, another guy with the same name did

mircea_popescu: it was his wife, check your privilege

mircea_popescu: (fun story : privileg was my first calculator.

asciilifeform notices the resemblance to 'elektronika' series

mircea_popescu: 10 points for beginning the description of your theory by saying how long you have been working on it. (10 more for emphasizing that you worked on your own.)

mircea_popescu: 10 more if it's built from the ground up with anything in mind.

mircea_popescu: speaking of which, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAYDiPizDIs

assbot: Monty Python - Theory on Brontosauruses by Anne Elk (Miss). - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYPPmA )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.christophlorenz.de/calc/privileg/861-m-nc.php?l=en << it ?

assbot: The Metatechnical Cabinet - Privileg 861-M-NC / Litronix 1721R ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYPXTf )

mircea_popescu: nah smaller thing, solar powered

mircea_popescu: bout the size of a biscuit. same thicknes throughout

mircea_popescu: http://mycalcdb.free.fr/main.php?l=0&id=6017 this

assbot: MyCalcDB : Calculator Privileg / Quelle SOLAR 16 ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYQ1lW )

asciilifeform: woah hightech

mircea_popescu: it kicked ass, an dprobably set my expectations of machines in fields like responsivity for instance. or stress tolerance

asciilifeform came from orcish lands where lcd was considered exotic tech

mircea_popescu: (like, i'd cover it's cell and have it do stuff)

decimation: actually lcds are worse in nearly ever respect other than power draw

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: probably set my expectations of machines in fields like responsivity for instance... << very tellingly, children in usa are now being issued with pocket calculators that have -palpable boot times- and delays on all basic ops

asciilifeform: (e.g., texas instruments 'nspire' etc)

mircea_popescu: hidebound reactionary" << wtf does this even mean

decimation: asciilifeform: my hp48 was doing tons of processing under the hood, would never delay or have a 'boot time'

asciilifeform: decimation: it wasn't running java

decimation: except during intense graphing operations, etc

decimation: no, it was running hand optimized assembly

mircea_popescu: ayup

asciilifeform: decimation: visit an electronics store and prepare to have brain come out of ears. i've had flashlights that -crashed.- i drive a car with a -buggy- thermostat controller. (made 12 yrs ago, too. the rot began long ago.)

mircea_popescu: lol crashed flashlight wut

asciilifeform: !s flashlight crash

assbot: 2 results for 'flashlight crash' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=flashlight+crash

mircea_popescu: nuts.

mircea_popescu owned a half lb flashlight in TM. yet it had no processor.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2014#758167 ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 16-07-2014 18:31:23; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: flashlight article << a decade or so ago, i had a flashlight that... crashed! when destroyed, it revealed a microcontroller, with eeprom...

mircea_popescu: nuts

decimation: asciilifeform: I have a friend who is an old graybeard EE, been working on actual circuitry since the 80's ☟︎

mircea_popescu: https://johncarlosbaez.wordpress.com/2015/03/17/planets_in_the_4th_dimension/ << ok i must confess this is a kickass theory.

assbot: Planets in the Fourth Dimension | Azimuth ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYQuoc )

mircea_popescu: "why ellipses ? because circles in 4 dimensions project to 3 dimensional ellipses, that's why!"

decimation: he said recently a sea change has come with kids coming out of school; they want to specify massive cpu, memory for very simple micro-controllers so they can run java ☟︎

mircea_popescu: "Dr Green currently holds no salaried academic position, a situation her associates regard as profoundly anomalous and unjust. One of the purposes of Oxford Forum is to reinstate her in the academic world."

mircea_popescu: ajaja

mircea_popescu: The reason Dr Green is not a salaried academic is partly because her ideas are out of sympathy with the prevailing intellectual climate, but also because her education was ruined. A child prodigy, she was the victim of a hostile state education system, and an unsympathetic college when she was an undergraduate at Oxford. She is uniquely suited to doing research, and could be making significant progress in several areas

mircea_popescu: of knowledge if she was not hampered by her exiled position and lack of funding.

mircea_popescu: Oxford Forum's aim is to expand into an independent college cum university which would generate and publish research in several areas including philosophy, economics, the psychology and physiology of perception, and theoretical physics.

mircea_popescu: epic.

cazalla: another stream, fight starts now http://www.gutatv.biz/alpha23c2.php

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYQYdW )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to be fair, it was a flashlight with some basic state - was the kind that is to switch itself on when mains socket it is kept charging in fails

mircea_popescu: this requires electronics ?

mircea_popescu: does your rectifier also run java ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: someone decided to use a microcontroller. quite possibly because 29 cents instead of 30 for a '555'. ☟︎

asciilifeform: somehow its eeprom (yes) got erased.

mircea_popescu: see, shoulda got the ecc variant

mircea_popescu: http://celiagreen.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/interns.html

assbot: CELIA GREEN: Interns ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYRw3q )

mircea_popescu: pretty great find, this

mircea_popescu: Pain Control

mircea_popescu: An area of research in which I could be making progress if I had funding providing an income of at least £100,000 a year (progress would no doubt be faster with more income).

asciilifeform has been collecting folks like green for a long, long time

asciilifeform: partly because, for a serious crackpot, to avoid going entirely off the rails, it is helpful to know what the rails look like.

mircea_popescu: woman goes on to explain stuff about dentistry.

decimation: asciilifeform: or to be more precise, what the wreck off the rail looks like

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: for the record, when i first encountered green ('07 ?) i definitely had sympathy for the 'someone ought to pay me to think, fuck the world' thing, until i figure out what she intended to 'think' -about-

mircea_popescu: it seems she literally intends to remembrance her youth ?

mircea_popescu: anyway, i do not personally believe this "pay me to think" thing has any merit whatsoever.

mircea_popescu: go do something useful, so your thoughts may be worth thinking in the first place.

asciilifeform: it has same merit as 'i would like to fly to buenos aires on farts'

asciilifeform: (who needs 'airbus' if can do this!)

asciilifeform: the academia racket does create a superficial chumpatronic appearance that some folks are 'paid to think'

mircea_popescu: myah.

asciilifeform: and certain folks who imagine that they could suck that teat while doing $theirthing instead of penning treatises re: checking privilege etc. - envy academics

mircea_popescu: similarly the entertainment racket creates the superficial chumpatronic appearance that some chicks "have it easy"

mircea_popescu: one needs a particular sort of ingrained uselessness outlook to come to that sort of worldview.

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scoopbot_revived: News! No Such lAbs (S.NSA), April 2015 Statement URL: http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-april-2015-statement/

cazalla: ;;later tell bingoboingo your pino rooster didn't deliver the goods, i ended up betting on mayweather at the last moment :P

gribble: The operation succeeded.

mircea_popescu: "a total of 15,495 accounts were identified as having premium FetLife memberships” and that “Male doms make up far and away the largest proportion of FetLife’s [paying] customer base, accounting for 3,452 (22.28%) of the total customer accounts identified."

mircea_popescu: leaving aside the torturous logic involved... srsly, 15k paid accounts ?

mircea_popescu: almost enough to buy a used car!

mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/hashtag/themeatlist?src=hash << bonus.

assbot: Tweets about #themeatlist hashtag on Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1c8Flo5 )

asciilifeform: what does a paid account get you ?

mircea_popescu: no idea

mircea_popescu: a ribbon or something. think reddit gold.

asciilifeform: wtf would anybody pay for this

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mircea_popescu: soooo... since i was looking at the fetlife stuff, i discovered the scrapper had stopped working

mircea_popescu: guess what it was ?

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mircea_popescu: (hint : previous time it stopped working, they rejected based on agent string)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ip ?

mircea_popescu: referrer.

asciilifeform: l0l

mircea_popescu: srsly. this is the tech company. gurlz are all "oh poor them" and shit. it's like beating up the mentally retarded.

asciilifeform: hunting zoo animals.

mircea_popescu: this is the result of this ill conceived "you can do anything" trend applied to business.

mircea_popescu: in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/aa075b09e01a54c45fd04bc72b13410b/tumblr_mxawg3UON21t1tru2o2_400.gif

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mircea_popescu: http://www.find-t.co/ << pretty handy t.co braindamage reverser.

assbot: Find the originating tweet

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cazalla: https://np.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/34mrtk/wingdings_vs_pgp/

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fluffypony: that's awesome cazalla

fluffypony: I'm using emoji encryption from now on

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punkman: plaintext codes have their place

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davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-05-2015#1118747 <<< interesting ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 03-05-2015 02:11:26; decimation: yes, indeed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tXobY4ZWbc < a video of the 787 landing with the ram air turbine (pop out windmill) deployed

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asciilifeform: davout: these were sop even in the days of airships: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/ZeppelinLZ127b.jpg << graf zeppelin. notice the windmill in middle-right of photo. powered radio room.

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asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu you gotta restart it for the changes to take. you can also make a spare copy of it to run locally, it is simple enough.

gribble: The operation succeeded.

davout: asciilifeform: makes sense, wind and gravity are probably the two forces you can rely upon when airborne

asciilifeform: re: old thread with mats: the heads really do fly off: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV-5svC6okQ

assbot: Re: Sri Lankan Homicide/Suicide Bomber Attack terrorist - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FIpEiU )

asciilifeform: (see 2' 27" mark )

asciilifeform: davout: what i find odd is that the modern machines have retractable windmills. retraction gear could fail.

asciilifeform: a fixed pod would make more sense as emergency generator

asciilifeform: (yes, would add something to fuel cost. cry a river.) ☟︎

davout: asciilifeform: not with gravity, that's how the retractable gear works in case of failure, pull a lever, it falls with gravity

davout: asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHsYZJ5uRFE

assbot: Airbus A320 Gravity Gear Handle - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1bRs7LQ )

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jurov: Historia meretrix vitae est.

jurov: or "lupa is more fitting?

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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah i figured you would, but i didn't wanna fuck with it.

mircea_popescu: and speaking of fucking with it, http://31.media.tumblr.com/90fce7a8d6f8ddbb1afd46580c17728a/tumblr_n0ybfl8ZEC1svwz07o1_500.gif

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWiTp4 )

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-05-2015#1118983 << a) trivial to make the retractor always fail out ; b) it'd add all sorts of costs, most of them subjective. ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 03-05-2015 14:04:57; asciilifeform: (yes, would add something to fuel cost. cry a river.)

mircea_popescu: and re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-04-2015#1117066 : teh trilema readership reminds me, alcibiades alcmaeonidos ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 21:45:55; mircea_popescu: ascii_field there was this mildly famous gay boy of athens whose name escapes me at the moment, literally got a whole trireme detachment on unbacked promises of great pay (from persia iirc ?) and well... there they sat.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 122 @ 0.0168 = 2.0496 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120307 @ 0.00025541 = 30.7276 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12143 @ 0.00025469 = 3.0927 BTC [-]

mircea_popescu: "Specializing in the sort of ultimate tough-guy/manly man roles that hearken back to a different era in film, Sizemore continues to be a favourite of Hollywood's greatest directors."

mircea_popescu: ahaha. children of a different era, i salute you.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141108 @ 0.00026844 = 37.879 BTC [+]

jurov: cazalla: check the qntra stmt

mircea_popescu: jurov sig passes here ?

jurov: lol despite being 6 rows no one reads it

jurov: danielpbarron is spelt wrong and the number is misplaced

mircea_popescu: tunnel vision lol. i checked the sig and the sum.

mircea_popescu: 4BD D16E 8EAF 4493 CB9C B36A E984 9D96 1AC9 << heh.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144200 @ 0.0002672 = 38.5302 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 120000 @ 0.0000985 = 11.82 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41492 @ 0.00026844 = 11.1381 BTC [+]

ben_vulpes: ;;ticker

gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 241.67, Best ask: 241.7, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 241.67, 24 hour volume: 18254.72487711, 24 hour low: 233.75, 24 hour high: 243.73, 24 hour vwap: None

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29900 @ 0.00027231 = 8.1421 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45691 @ 0.00027263 = 12.4567 BTC [+] {2}

scoopbot_revived: News! The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume IX URL: http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-ix/

ben_vulpes: ^^ missing a footnote

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.00027231 = 7.4885 BTC [-]

oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/evensong/

assbot: Evensong ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pg85aJ )

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70104 @ 0.00027337 = 19.1643 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71500 @ 0.00027918 = 19.9614 BTC [+] {2}

jurov: !up yhwh_

jurov: assbot remembered me, nice

davout: jurov: why wouldn't it?

jurov: [19:37] --> assbot (~assbot@unaffiliated/kakobrekla/bot/assbot) logged in

davout: it deathed

jurov: and then undeathed lol

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66408 @ 0.00027596 = 18.326 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29900 @ 0.00027596 = 8.2512 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127504 @ 0.00027596 = 35.186 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 149312 @ 0.00027885 = 41.6357 BTC [+] {4}

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes aty

cazalla: jurov, thansk, i always check but for some reason missed that :\

Adlai: ברוך אתה yhwh_ שלא עשני אשה

jurov: He will smite you, you sexist

cazalla: these cheaper chinese chainsaws on ebay versus a stihl or husqi, anyone know if price diff is worth it?

cazalla: from what i've read, the stihl and husqis are made in china now too, and this is for only around the backyard use

cazalla: stihl, i'd rather not take a cheap chainsaw to the knee

jurov: chainsaw is the last thing i'd economize on

mircea_popescu: cazalla i never bought one but i'm with jurov

cazalla: !up deedbot-

mircea_popescu: if that chain snaps...

cazalla: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/2FZADTG.txt

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GIZvfW )

deedbot-: accepted: 1

trinque: cazalla: up's no longer necessary

Adlai: jurov: pls lrn your prayers, http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/who-has-not-made-me-a-woman/

assbot: Who Has Not Made Me a Woman - My Jewish Learning ... ( http://bit.ly/1GIZxEy )

cazalla: !down deedbot-

trinque: cazalla: impossibru!

Adlai: "Few Jewish religious texts have provoked as much indignation and discomfort as the brief passage that is recited by traditional Jewish men at the beginning of the daily morning prayers: “Blessed are you, Lord, our God, ruler of the universe who has not created me a woman.” For many, it expresses a quintessential misogyny that lies at the core of our patriarchal religion."

Adlai can't make this shit up

cazalla: i dunno Adlai, i'm thankful not to be a woman but i don't give daily thanks to it

Adlai: ;;gettrust yhwh cazalla

gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user yhwh to user cazalla: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=yhwh&dest=cazalla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cazalla | Rated since: Tue Apr 15 22:17:43 2014

Adlai shrugs

jurov: ;;gettrust yhwh jesus

gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user yhwh to user jesus: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=yhwh&dest=jesus | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jesus | Rated since: never

jurov: nope.

mircea_popescu: shit

mircea_popescu: /nick jesus > * jesus :Erroneous Nickname

mircea_popescu: what teh bs.

Adlai: if jesus was a jew

Adlai: why did he have a mexican name

mircea_popescu: almost as good.

Adlai: what are the standards for mirroring pages in qntra articles? is archive.org goodenuff?

mircea_popescu: no. archive.today

mircea_popescu: archive.org is a pos.

cazalla: Adlai, i've been using archive.today

mircea_popescu: Adlai also, a copy on your own blog is a golden standard.

Adlai: blog fragmentation seems an excellent way to cause eventual linkrot

Adlai watches archive.today's squirming from being fed a facebook link, and is slightly aroused

mircea_popescu: Adlai the idea being that if you cache a link on the very place where the link is referenced, you can't have link rot because if the place is up it's up and if it's down there's no link anyway

Adlai: qntra is my own blog now?

Adlai is honored and begins typing up "The Idiot's Guide to Blockchain Technology"

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68551 @ 0.0002805 = 19.2286 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47500 @ 0.0002805 = 13.3238 BTC [+]

kakobrekla: jurov> assbot remembered me, nice < i think it checks wot status every time

asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://nosuchlabs.com/stats << here you go, phixed

assbot: So far: | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1DX3RiW )

gribble: The operation succeeded.

mircea_popescu: o hey, nice.

asciilifeform: enjoy, l0l

mircea_popescu: can it has ` thousands separator ? :D

asciilifeform: go ahead, add it in. i forget how.

asciilifeform does not do much wwwtronics

mircea_popescu: i have nfi, last i wrote python most social justice warriors were prepubescent

asciilifeform idly wonders what a 'phuctor' for ecdsa/btc would look like

asciilifeform: or wait, this was already done long ago.

mircea_popescu: get al txn (in the unpruned tree), group by address, see which actuyally exposed the ke ☟︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: yup

asciilifeform: it looked like a buncha derps coin vanishing into black hole.

mircea_popescu: actually iirc the first iteration at least, derps were warned.

asciilifeform: warned how? warning shot with nanocoin tx'ed out ?

mircea_popescu: i don't recall, was a big deal thread cca 2012

mircea_popescu: eventually they tracked down the offender source

asciilifeform: something that ran on pNohes, i recall.

asciilifeform: was reusing 'k'

mircea_popescu: something like that.

mircea_popescu: anwyay, when's the processing start!!11

asciilifeform: if you wanna do the sausage slicing, feel free to start. otherwise it'll have to wait a little.

mircea_popescu: o.O

asciilifeform: (uploaded sausage last night)

mircea_popescu: what's it waiting for ? to no longer have a great server at its sole disposal ?

asciilifeform: l0l

asciilifeform: it really doesn't need the whole box to itself!

asciilifeform: can house 1,001 other things there

mircea_popescu: cmon, today's the day, yest was the day, day b4 yest was the day, and so on for a whole week.

asciilifeform: (by now mircea_popescu probably read the src and knows, approximately, how it works)

mircea_popescu: 5gb of keys will take a lot of processing. everything else can wait so THIS is started

mircea_popescu: because it takes 4ever.

mircea_popescu: for the record, www was comparably irrelevant. as long as the processing was started, where exact;y the www responds... whocares.

mircea_popescu: comparatively*

asciilifeform: www end is how we read the output

asciilifeform: or am i missing something

mircea_popescu: just max that box already.

davout: lol

asciilifeform: i keep thinking gpg has the key slicer functionality built in somewhere

asciilifeform: and i'm a lamer, and don't know about it

mircea_popescu: you keep thinking that if you proctastinate the parts that suck they'll get done by themselves.

asciilifeform: anyone knows the secret ?

scoopbot_revived: News! BitBet (S.BBET) April 2015 Statement URL: http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-april-2015-statement/

asciilifeform: https://keyserver.mattrude.com/dump/current << l0l, apparently there is a real-time one.

assbot: Index of /dump/current/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1I8vKLa )

asciilifeform: no deep secret.

mircea_popescu: #Digest-algo: md5 and unsigned

mircea_popescu: WHAT IS WRON G WITH THESE PEOPLE

mircea_popescu: /usr/local/bin/sks_build.sh << it has a script btw, to allow you to autoload in a db

mircea_popescu: you can prolly steal the code from there.

mircea_popescu: " I started doing a full build, it looked like it was going to take forever so I aborted it and switched to a quickbuild. On the 4-processor machine I was using it still took in the order of 40 minutes to run so this might take a while."

mircea_popescu: heh.

asciilifeform: http://code.google.com/r/google-sks-keyserver-hl1/source/browse/sks_build.sh?name=1.1.1&r=7f1cc4b1637ef119ba1f81afee0496c232bc2e10 << no such luck

assbot: sks_build.sh - google-sks-keyserver-hl1 - Works for me - Google Project Hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/1GSCDgJ )

asciilifeform: gpgsplit (standard util) will cut'em but you end up with -all- packets sawed apart (signatures, email addrs, etc. floating around as separate flotsam and no longer agglomerated into pubkeys as customary)

asciilifeform is floored by the sheer retardation of the sks thing

asciilifeform: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/110110/list-all-gpg-pgp-keys-of-a-local-sks-key-server << other folks also pissed

assbot: List all GPG/PGP keys of a local SKS key server - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1GSCWb8 )

mircea_popescu: sks build /var/lib/sks/dump/*.pgp -n 10 -cache 100 <<

asciilifeform: this sucks -in-, no ?

mircea_popescu: yes, builds a db out of the pgp pile.

asciilifeform: and then what

mircea_popescu: that can then presumably be iterated, being a db. right ?

asciilifeform: the docs suggest otherwise (mega-l0l, yes)

mircea_popescu: how is this a db then.

asciilifeform: how a turd is sausage.

asciilifeform reading docs, because this is unbelievable

Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-05-2015#1119095 << eh? ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 03-05-2015 22:31:27; mircea_popescu: get al txn (in the unpruned tree), group by address, see which actuyally exposed the ke

mircea_popescu: eh is not a supported query.

Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-05-2015#1119095 << wot? ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 03-05-2015 22:31:27; mircea_popescu: get al txn (in the unpruned tree), group by address, see which actuyally exposed the ke

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62450 @ 0.00027231 = 17.0058 BTC [-]

mircea_popescu: http://www.nilsschneider.net/2013/01/28/recovering-bitcoin-private-keys.html

assbot: Recovering Bitcoin private keys using weak signatures from the blockchain / Nils Schneider ... ( http://bit.ly/1I8wK24 )

Adlai: also https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=143551

assbot: Login ... ( http://bit.ly/1I8wPCG )

Adlai: assbot pls

asciilifeform: ^ not readable

asciilifeform: censored?

Adlai: tl;dr: 'johoe' who took >250 coins from blockchain.info users by looking for predictable r-values

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no listen, so you construct the db, then have gpg spit out the list of fingerprints, then query it over that list. produces pubkyes.

Adlai: then made a great public show of returning them to blockchain.info's creditors

Adlai: now THAT is a hoodrobbin

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41450 @ 0.00026813 = 11.114 BTC [-] {2}

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didja say at one point you had a keyserver going ?

mircea_popescu: no ? i said one's being made. by mats

asciilifeform: aha

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/mats-pgp-keyserver

assbot: [mats] PGP keyserver on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1I8x3tu )

asciilifeform: because, it seems that in the course of this opera, we are setting up one sks key server

asciilifeform: could let it run, even

mircea_popescu: i'm shocked!

asciilifeform: l0l

mircea_popescu: you mean to tell me if we intend to use any FOSS thing the way that'll happen is if we write it first ?

asciilifeform: turns out.

asciilifeform: spittoon theorem.

mircea_popescu: incredible. and the 50 years' worth of very useful dweebs pulling on their collective half inch worth of foreskin did what exactly ?

mircea_popescu: other than fucking everything up.

mircea_popescu has never despised old people this much ever before. and he's famous for despising old people.

asciilifeform: if i ever were to learn what - i promise to say

asciilifeform: 'if i did not see as far as others, it is because midgets stood on my shoulders' (tm)

mircea_popescu: more like, we're stuck either stepping in dogshit or standing on the shoulders of monkeys.

mircea_popescu: grandiose shitchoice, what.

Adlai views mircea_popescu as an 'old people' fwiw

Adlai: this is the beauty of relativity

asciilifeform: Adlai: who is old? fella with grey in his beard? or someone who can do arithmetic with a pen? or, or ?

mircea_popescu: i'm not a computer engineer yo. i can be an old philosopher, old businessman, old financial genius, your pick.

Adlai: asciilifeform: fella old enough to father WoT nodes

mircea_popescu: old = privileged ?

asciilifeform often experiences mindfuck in u.s. (and argentinian!) 'antique' shops on account of recognizing various objects (razors, furniture, bakelite phones, kitchen junk, etc.) from his childhood (which took place in a technologically and crapflationarily-behind by three or four decades part of the globe)

Adlai: aha, better definition: old people are less likely to appreciate tatran

mircea_popescu: in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/1ea44b17eb4bd24fad08a6d8be2a7933/tumblr_mpwxdoKMIA1rwmba9o1_500.gif >> check the chick out. she's all indignant but doesn't move a muscle to stop it.

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GSEz8X )

asciilifeform: scam

mircea_popescu: FC Tatran Prešov ?

Adlai is listening to: Tatran - The Utilitarian (2:28)

Adlai walked thru an openair market specializing in antiques last week, it was a bizarre display of sorted and assorted yet totally useless crap

mircea_popescu: Adlai not bad i guess. background stuff, not actual music.

asciilifeform: https://www.google.com/maps/@-34.619592,-58.372561,3a,90y,343.38h,88.95t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sQcHu0kFpMZuYQ1vQpk7Jag!2e0!6m1!1e1 << that one

assbot: Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1I8xW5n )

asciilifeform: mercado san telmo ?

asciilifeform: it.

Adlai: mircea_popescu: anything seems dead via youtube, or its moral equiv. let's talk after they tour b-as

Adlai: sadly they are scam by zionism, and just tour back and forth the same 350km

Adlai: https://vimeo.com/104435652

assbot: TATRAN - Anar @ Oppikoppi Festival on Vimeo ... ( http://bit.ly/1GSFoOR )

Adlai: (rare exception to the above)

Adlai: but it's land of the scam. on the topic of which, is there some dibs mechanism for qntrarticles?

Adlai has started research on a potential article, and would like to confirm that effort isn't wasted, or at the very least ,collaborate

mircea_popescu: Adlai dibs ? how you mean ?

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97600 @ 0.00028233 = 27.5554 BTC [+] {2}

felipelalli: Sorry if this is old, but did you guys see that? https://github.com/gavinandresen/bitcoin-git/commit/5f46da29fd02fd2a8a787286fd6a56f680073770

assbot: Hard fork: allow 20MB blocks after 1 March 2016 · gavinandresen/bitcoin-git@5f46da2 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1GSIYc2 )

mircea_popescu: guy can do whatever he wants on his personal fork of bitcoin.

felipelalli: true

mircea_popescu: anyway, lots of maxsigop gnarl in there, not really worth the mention.

mircea_popescu: slightly more relevant to bitcoin, http://33.media.tumblr.com/941c9b1776b9109fa66cc4fa6d3b3fcb/tumblr_n20wnbaE3x1rnrgxyo3_500.gif

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1dGtBcQ )

felipelalli: Blockchain for the people! :]

felipelalli: Blockchain next year: http://www.childwellness.eu/Afbeeldingen_basis/quiz_08_a.JPG

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1dGtKx0 )

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90951 @ 0.0002684 = 24.4112 BTC [-]

mircea_popescu: but since we're doing power ranger lulz, http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2015/05/03#l1430621769

assbot: BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1dGtRZp )