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adlai: the easy way to prevent that is just not to record anything myself
adlai: whether the idea of recording the talk is sufficiently incepted in the public's mind that several random audience members are likely to have recorded - is another matter
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ascii_modem: florida law re: recording scamz0rz << see earlier thread re: correct attitude to law.
adlai: !s correct attitude law from:ascii
ascii_modem: i am quite certain that, e.g., iran, has even more interesting laws. with even stiffer punishments for disobedience. should we all hire iranian lawyers, avoid ending up on heads-off ?
ascii_modem: adlai: log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-01-2015#965080 and below.
assbot: Logged on 04-01-2015 22:52:28; ascii_modem: if you're an 'open source' whateverthefux, and you give a fuck that your code 'is legal' - just surrender to jail now. save the bother.
adlai goes searching for context
ascii_modem: but with respecting tyrants who propose to say that writing some code is permissible , other kinds - not
ascii_modem: linked article was similar to a turd that made the rounds back when w2k source leake
ascii_modem: 'don't read it, you'll be tainted for life and can never be a legit open source dev again'
decimation: ascii_modem: in the earlier case of recording, my answer is: yes, you probably ought to have an iranian lawyer (or a plan to get one) if you find yourself physically in iran
decimation: agreed, but to shift to your point about code - where?
ascii_modem: i'll point out that it is not hard at all to crap out however much 'illegal1111!' code you want, anywhere on planet, at no risk to your health
adlai: my favorite nonsense was an internal usg email during the snowden leaks, advising employees not to read the leaked document on unclassified workstations lacking necessary clearance to view the doc
decimation: w.r.t. to the link you posted about the guy warning not to reverse engineer drivers, his point about the pointlessness of the endeavor seems well-founded
ascii_modem: decimation: he was entirely wrong about the -why- pointless
decimation: adlai: you can see how it would be much more difficult for usg to actually coordinate which secrets are 'released' and which ones are 'secret'
ascii_modem: the audience can't do jack shit to bring sane silicon into being. but it can actively and maximally destructively piss on 'intellectual property' and related usg crown privilege.
cazalla: thestringpuller, yup, what's up
assbot: Logged on 04-01-2015 17:47:10; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: But... the 3d printed gun dude says burn it all down is an ideology... << i agree. it is.
cazalla: thestringpuller, cbf this morning, didn't get to bed till 4am and i'm still a bit tired
adlai: btce still leading the light brigade
ascii_modem: drivers << presently the open source folks have two choices - open mouth and wait for rain, in the sahara; or cut enemy throat and drink up.
decimation: third choice: make own hardware using fpgas (yes, I remember past fpga threads)
ascii_modem: folks who bring up fpga as a solution - straight to ebay, pick up a board, see if you can bake so much as an i386 compatible, with at least the original's performance, -without- the fpga vendor's closed libraries
☟︎ ascii_modem: with them, it is quite the same as using 'evil' modern silicon
ben_vulpes: dag. looks like this irc thinger's getting fragile.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: did anything come of your conversations with "t"?
mircea_popescu: but anyway, since we're on it : anyone wish to write a proper ircd ?
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mircea_popescu: yeah. i guess this calls for a whole new category on trilema.
mircea_popescu: ima do it once done with reports, announcements and other first of month stuff
mircea_popescu: the thing where i put it in a pastedbin dun work, im sick of looking up the url for the deedbot one.
ben_vulpes: is there a pompous name for the l2 list? the dukes?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: l1's the lordship list?
mircea_popescu: wow check out mike_c dominate the qntra wordcounts in dec.
Apocalyptic: you're probably looking at the first bytes of the fingerprint, not his wordcount heh
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem: 'plagiarism' may be a 'sin of the flesh', but plagiarists exist just the same as 'wankers' exist. << not what i meant. what i meant was the construct's nonsense.
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as "plagiarism" anymore than there's burning bushes or actual sides of christmeat.
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mircea_popescu: decimation: such a law is obviously intended to protect criminals (politicians, bureaucrats) <<< or young women having casual sex.
mircea_popescu: decimation: my only problem is that it seems somewhat dangerous << from what i hear it's actually safer than flying planes.
mircea_popescu: "moms who persist in using big, boxy PC computers and small-town police departments."
mircea_popescu: and it shits on his useless applepad or whatever the fuck it is.
mircea_popescu: "So what can we all do to protect ourselves? Keep our computers backed up on an independent drive or by using a cloud backup service like Carbonite, take those software update and patch alerts seriously"
Phraust: not bad. livin' the dream :D
Phraust: finally got time to irc again. what's been crackin'?
mircea_popescu: "Welcome to the new ransomware economy, where hackers have a reputation to consider." "welcome to the post-modern world, where 'criminals' are more reliable than governments, and certainly more useful."
mircea_popescu: Phraust not much really. same old bs, restated in all seriousness by a new generation of turnips.
Phraust: THings just ain't the same for gangsters.
mircea_popescu: just as an idle exercise, imagine how that article'd have sounded if the criminals were some usg agency, stealing the woman's drive and not giving it back.
mircea_popescu: i seem to recall a bunch of these, and they're all fucking respectful.
PinkPosixPXE: oh man.. I've been helping my friend who runs a VPS provider, gigebox.com, migrate everything to a new host node
PinkPosixPXE: but ipv6 is more difficult, so this does a count on the packets, and if it exceeds the limit, it finds the ipv6 address, and vps in question, and then disables those addresses on the vps so they can't be targetted
mircea_popescu: cazalla yeah i see. qntra is so successful i got lost among the articles :)
PinkPosixPXE: I'm going to update it to set a timer to re enable them after a certain period of time and do some updates to it, but it's been keeping things up for the last few weeks
PinkPosixPXE: well when the packet limit is breached, usually the vps will be suspended
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i was first! as they say, some people are so far behind the race that they actually believe they are leading :P
ben_vulpes: PinkPosixPXE: is this for outbound ddossing?
PinkPosixPXE: this ensure the vps won't be suspended, and just removes the target ipv6 ips
PinkPosixPXE: it's a better solution for customers than 'container susspended again'
PinkPosixPXE: sorry, been migrating and snapshotting containers to this new server all day
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE how about write the script so that you keep track of foreign hosts, and once packet limit is reached for a vps all foreign hosts that aren't on the list of hosts it connected in the past 24 hours get banned across the entire network ?
PinkPosixPXE: the attacks are all .cap'd and then the ip's are all reported to ovh to be added to ddos mitigation
mircea_popescu: "oh, i see you're trying to connect to a vps that a) you've not connected before and b) is being attacked ? come back next week."
PinkPosixPXE: so that can sometimes be ineffective long term
PinkPosixPXE: this way people can still get on their nodes, and are just informed that we've removed a few ipv6 addresses that were being attacked.. instead of their node being suspended and shut off, and they are then freaking out
PinkPosixPXE: and before long the addresses come back up when the attack dies down
PinkPosixPXE: it is a band-aid until we can figure something better out
PinkPosixPXE: but it saved our butts quite a bit over the last few weeks
PinkPosixPXE: and this isn't exactly how I'd setup vps hosting
PinkPosixPXE: I have 3 vps' at a very large (Free) discount with this provider
PinkPosixPXE: and made a migration script for us to migrate to the new node, helped him pick it out
PinkPosixPXE: I will probably eventually buy a dedi that's a bit better than the our new one
ben_vulpes: PinkPosixPXE: you launch a VPS service, take BTC (don't even denominate in BTC), and you've got custom right here.
PinkPosixPXE: as well as DDOS mitigation, and of course ipv6
PinkPosixPXE: now that I've helped run, and in some ways rescue this vps provider
ben_vulpes: if you can afford to denominate in btc...
PinkPosixPXE: and get the migrations streamlined to the new host
PinkPosixPXE: I can see where I can put together a much better product
kakobrekla: see what i told you, wife material right there.
PinkPosixPXE: yea, after I wrote the vps migrate script for him today
PinkPosixPXE: and fixed about 10 issues he ran into within 5 minutes
PinkPosixPXE: he said he was going to force me to marry him one day
ben_vulpes: good thing you've got your own equalizer then huh
PinkPosixPXE: ben_vulpes: I might need you (or some of you guys) as resources regarding I ensure I setup my bitcoin merchanting properly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00064049 = 2.1136 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: are you planning to convert directly to fiat?
PinkPosixPXE: I will probably have a recurring tool that converst a portion of it to fiat
PinkPosixPXE: in fact, I've been buying more as it's gone down
ben_vulpes: PinkPosixPXE: the simplest and most robust approach is going to be to quote specific prices and have that exact qty remitted to an addr of your control
ben_vulpes: use a btcd to watch incoming blocks for confirmations
ben_vulpes: there's some bookkeeping to be done in terms of counters in the itty bitty satoshis, to avoid dup transaction amounts
PinkPosixPXE: ok, that makes sense.. so basically I can keep the bitcoin price in flux with what the current price is
ben_vulpes: totally orthogonal to the accepting of bitcoin
PinkPosixPXE: yea, I've noticed it where I shop using bitcoin quite a bit
ben_vulpes: what you *don't* want to do is send each txn to seperate addrs.
ben_vulpes: there are clever things you could do with hashing the order and using that as a private key for receipts or something like that...
PinkPosixPXE: yea, these were some of the things I was curious about
ben_vulpes: don't depend on an external api to monitor the blockchain
ben_vulpes: use bitcoin-rpc calls to watch for incoming blocks, scrape for txns to your addr
ben_vulpes: and don't put the key anywhere near that bitcoind
kakobrekla: wait whut is this no separate address bsns
PinkPosixPXE: oh yea, api -> webapp -> blochain updates.. too slow
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: do whatever you want, cartman
ben_vulpes: you have a thing that works, congrats.
kakobrekla: i dont understand y no unique address per order?
PinkPosixPXE: I might buy at 250.. as long as it keeps trending back up
PinkPosixPXE: glad I didn't buy when it dropped to 310 last week
kakobrekla: anyway my suggestion: give unique address for each palyment which you monitor for certain period of time. if you use bit32 you can generate new addresses on the fly on the server without private key or else pregenerate them and throw them in db
kakobrekla: you dont need to voice him he is opped
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE how about i buy you some dedis and you admin them and run a host for btc business ?
PinkPosixPXE: you would put the initial investment in the dedi's? teh competitively priced ones might be in the arena of $300-400/mo to rent depending upon how competitive I want my services to be, and I will probably be buying something through voxility
PinkPosixPXE: I want 10gbps, but I can offer low end as well
PinkPosixPXE: but I want high end and ddos mitigation, etc. available as well
PinkPosixPXE: technically, I can finance it on my own, but I guess I'm still in the process of working out the details, and I guess regardless, I just need to make sure all the time and work I put into admining everything is getting me money and setting me up for some independence career wise
ben_vulpes: finance your fiat VPS situation yourself, and run it in parallel with the BTC VPS MP wants to finance.
PinkPosixPXE: right now, I've spent so much time and energy through the holidays helping this provider/friend, and while I'll probably get an endless supply of vps resources from him at a prorated "nothing" .. I need to setup a business and direction for the future of my own thing, or at least make money when I output time/work
PinkPosixPXE: with so many projects, I have to make sure I can get everything taken care of
PinkPosixPXE: but that's a great idea, and an offer I'd definitely be interested in potentially pursuing, and discussing further with you mircea_popescu
PinkPosixPXE: I just need to do a little math on 'units of time/energ/projects' and potential independence from my day job at some point so I have more time
PinkPosixPXE: but it's defiitely gaining momentum, and with time, it'll happen
PinkPosixPXE: I want to make sur eI can offer both offshore and us hosting as well
PinkPosixPXE: anywho.. I better get back to helping them with these migrations
PinkPosixPXE: 30 minute break, and they are already pinging for my help
PinkPosixPXE: thank you! It was good to chat with you guys again and check in.. I may disappear a bit later when we move my vps because we have to do an offline migration, but I'll always return, and be around :)
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE if it's like 3-400 how about getting a pair.
cazalla: anyone have a bitstamp account an able to confirm if they sent out an email 30m ago?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23837 @ 0.0006432 = 15.332 BTC [+] {2}
ascii_modem: write a proper ircd <<< what exactly is this ?
mircea_popescu: and holy shit, don't you just love this brave new world with such policemen in it.
decimation: mircea_popescu: re: knc miner refund << yeah in BTC terms they took about %70 haircut, but I think they do all their accounting in fiat (they convert bitcoin to fiat upon reception)
ascii_modem: that qntra link: see earlier thread re: how to think of law.
ascii_modem: that is what law now is. to be thought of in the same light as ebola.
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decimation: what kind of 'responsible' exchange keeps keys anywhere near a terminal connected to the internet?
kakobrekla: this chan only makes me more depressed. great job kako.
Apocalyptic: <kakobrekla> how the fuck they lose private keys? // ask them
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And these peaks are closer than the last
kakobrekla: well ignorance is bliss what more is there.
Fun: I just read the Greek government debt is at 175 percent right now, runs up to €330 billion. And a lot of debt nowadays is ensured in the derivative markets :)
Fun: who is going to cover derivatives
Fun: however if greeks exit thats great, euro and dollar may go down alot lol
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla he likes the word. it bestows journalismity.
decimation: Fun: euro and dollar go 'down' relative to what? bitcoin?
Fun: lol it depends on which banks hold the potato :D
mircea_popescu: can i get more detail out of you than "it's being worked on"!
kakobrekla: decimation nothing goes down relative to bitcoin
punkman: it's been 6 weeks, fuck me
punkman: well obviously not worked on enough
kakobrekla: i would add to the article "self proclaimed 'World's leading Bitcoin exchange'"
mircea_popescu: am i going "this has to be reimplemented for the third time" ?
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Qntra has comments form. Also no need to do math to post comment
kakobrekla: i thought i get paid if you include those 6 words, or at least 2, since 4 are the quote.
Fun: its bizzare that greek debt is financed atleast was financed in past via some usa banks lol
Fun: who in turn seems to packed and sold it as derivatives
Fun: afterward EU said bad bad boys and said they are going to finance greece directly but perhaps thats just words
decimation: kakobrekla: BingoBoingo: according to bitcoin charts bitstamp is #3 in volume right now
kakobrekla: i said self proclaimed - check their frontpage.
decimation: ascii_modem: maybe she meant your lisp machine?
Fun: any exchange can get vol by cycling btc on their boobs
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Well... cazalla's article. You know you could do one if you want on their old fee rape bot from back in the day.
Fun: u still use gribble? :D
mircea_popescu: and jack shit i can do about it, too, because notary's dead and so on and so fucking forth.
Fun: who here knows a bit about forex?
ascii_modem: bitstamp... confirm... <<< do we even know of a published pubkey for them
Fun: well how can I buy CME globex fx options?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16676 @ 0.00063023 = 10.5097 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: Fun: I guess you can call up someone in chicago and ask?
mircea_popescu: punkman im not one iota closer to a sensible situaiton here.
mircea_popescu: decimation doesn't have to be in chicago. everyone does it, including all the web providers, optionsxpress, schwab, you name it
cazalla: ascii_modem, they signed they last audit using the bitcoin address 1EFJUipfCHFmmTFkF9vvjFKdBf3VbfvarM but no gpg afaik
punkman: anyone want to setup and admin the supybot/electrum box to speed things up?
mircea_popescu: punkman that's good. so what is the problem, exactly, what's the plan to resolve it, usefull stuff like that, pls.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller not on their site ? maybe it's really /coinbasederp instead ?
Fun: the price for option is in those high low columns or where?
ascii_modem: unless that key is welded to their traditional corporate charter, or at least proclaimed amidst fanfare by an officer - why believe it at all ?
punkman: mircea_popescu: problem is I'm reimplementing website in PHP and also changing bot to send shit to PHP reliably, and it's all a bit tangled up at the moment
thestringpuller: ascii_modem mircea_popescu: its just surprising that none of these "businesses" have pub-keys published for verification purposes.
mircea_popescu: they do a typically fiat thing whereby they act like gpg is sorta like you know, this soft toy thing. they get an address like it were a social media profile.
mircea_popescu: punkman and you're doing this suddenly and without consultation while it's also down unnaounced because why ?
Fun: decimation: I want to buy options direct
mircea_popescu: but you can use a broker, by now they cater even to people with 10k or something.
thestringpuller: easily repudiable << is this why twitter has to verify celebrities?
decimation: Fun: on the web brokerages mircea suggests they certainly sell options on those etfs
decimation: probably much more liquid than holding something special
mircea_popescu: decimation pretty sure they actually let you trade on cme.
decimation: yeah I'm gonna check out my brokerage and see
Fun: so last is 0.0281 means 0.0281 usd for lot? or what :D
thestringpuller: tl;dr there would be no phishing if everyone used GPG correctly.
Fun: 1 lot is 125,000 seems so
Fun: seems pretty cheap @ option price :)
Fun: I am suprised that large russian corporations did not hedge their loans fx risks, or maybe they did :D
punkman: mircea_popescu: it was DDoS'd/hacked, I got some PHP hosting as solution for DDoS. Existing version can be backup withing 24 hours if someone wants to administer it/protect from ddos/etc. Nobody wants to do that, so I haz to write PHP.
ascii_modem: there would be no phishing if everyone used GPG correctly. << 'brainwave' by poul anderson.
decimation: yeah my brokerage allows direct trading of futures if you have 'approval' and a non-trival account value
Fun: decimation: futures and options?
cazalla: thestringpuller, but i like pretty newsletters
Apocalyptic: why rewrite from python to PHP ? seems like a poor downgrade in everything
mircea_popescu: for one thing, ddos'd/hacked is an unlikely combo. which was it ?
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic i dunno wtf he's doing, im sitting here debugging a lengthy string of nonsense resulted from engineer deciding arbitrarily to selfmanage mid process.
mircea_popescu: about as pleasant a thing as fifty years worth of dilbert rolled up in one fat joint.
ascii_modem: fellas, all these headaches - ircd/fleanode, notarybot, etc. - one pill. why not one of you carry out my erasurecode-router scheme.
Fun: decimation: so how much 1 euro fx lot cost ? option to buy or sell it at agreed price
decimation: Fun: are you asking what the bid/ask spread is on the spot? or do you want an option with a ex date and strike price?
cazalla: well, bitstamp confirmed unless site has been hacked too
BingoBoingo: Well did BitStamp lose a can or the string?
Fun: decimation: option with ex date and strike price
mircea_popescu: seems to me like someone likely ran off with a wallet.
cazalla: well, the wallet that was last audited has been empty since early dec
decimation: the bid/ask spread on eur/usd spot runs about 3 to 4 mili-cents (w/comission)
decimation: for mar 2015 Euro Futures, price 1.1949 with a 32k volume
decimation: to buy a call that expires 15 jan on the mar 2015 future, for a strike price of 1.19 costs $0.0096
Fun: mircea_popescu: whats the difference?
mircea_popescu: that one is an option on the future and the other on the spot o.O
mircea_popescu: what's the difference between apple pie and pineapple pie ?
decimation: yeah I'm trying to find the options on spot (seems it would be easier) but I am having trouble
mircea_popescu: irrespective of widespread belief to the contrary, im pretty sure no entity currently can value options on forex futures
decimation: are you implying that markov chains are doing what they do?
decimation: actually options on spot probably don't exist, come to think on it
mircea_popescu: look at the math involved sometime in an idle hour, but from a fundamental perspective, none of that "this is hw it's done because it's how it's done" circularity.
decimation: like, why would you pay to deliever something that's only valued today?
decimation: I guess my point is that a promise to deliver a euro tomorrow isn't a spot price
BingoBoingo kind of really wants kakobrekla to write an "I told you so" piece on Bitstamp
mircea_popescu: but an option to deliver tomorrow an euro deliverable next week is a whole other layer of nutso.
decimation: so weirdly my brokerage doesn't appear to have spot (freestyle?) forex options, only options on futures
decimation: it does appear that forex is a very specialized thing that varies widely with brokerage
Fun: they package stuff to confuse people imo
Fun: derivative on top of derivative
mircea_popescu: Fun noobs have a reputation of wishing to get involved in the most complex end of any matter first thing.
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00064849 = 11.1865 BTC [+] {4}
Fun: I was watching RBK today, chairmain of Russian Commerce Chamber was going on that some russian companies need to refinance tons of mid term debt soon in what I presume usd :) I was thinking here that sounds fishy how come they havent hedged FX risk from the start
mircea_popescu: Fun because a) it costs money and b) they don't care, because it's not really their problem.
Fun: more of b they hope gov will tell some bank to bail them out
decimation: k. a Mar 15 call for a march euro strike 1.19 costs 0.0221 and a put costs 0.0172
Fun: those are 125,000 lots so say 1% move is 1,250 gain?
Fun: but it may well outperform strike price
mircea_popescu: if it outperforms it by 2 cents and 21 hundredths you make money.
Fun: there is some vol on 11800.0
Fun: so say 0.10 gain minus 0.0281 thats 0.7 approx * 125.000 right?
mircea_popescu: i like people who pretend their convenient misunderstanding is more powerful than reality.
decimation: the bid/ask spread on that mar 15 call runs about ~0.007
Fun: mircea_popescu: what do u mean? feel free to correct calculations
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7009 @ 0.00064576 = 4.5261 BTC [-]
Fun: there is option cost per lot
Fun: ok u think price wont change that much?
Fun: decimation: 0.007 is fine imo
thestringpuller: "You know you've done things right when people don't think you've done anything at all"
thestringpuller: more precisely "When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all."
Fun: ;;gpg eregister Fun 1E42DA89AA22D605
Fun: so how do people register to talk here? ":
Fun: decimation: which broker do u use?
Fun: strange they dont offer whole range to you
Fun: decimation: also options prices seems so cheap
Fun: maybe I am missing something?
ben_vulpes: man how long can we keep this juggling act up?
Fun: or change assbot rules?
thestringpuller: Apocalyptic: you think gribble won't be back for a few days? Weeks?
thestringpuller: This is personally the longest I've ever seen gribble AWOL.
ben_vulpes: pretty impressed that single point of failure went this long without failing.
ben_vulpes: i hope everyone's been taking backups of the db.
decimation: it's odd that gribble died the same time that bitstamp was hacked
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: and how would you know if the db'd changed?
ben_vulpes: Fun: try again, that kind of statement doesn't hold any water with me.
Fun: decimation: so yes about forex dont u think those options are kinda cheap
decimation: I donno man, I don't really daytrade fx options
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] i like people who pretend their convenient misunderstanding is more powerful than reality. << an amusing thing to cross at this moment
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: in all srsns single point of access == single point of failure
Fun: decimation: nor do I however in light of recent geo political events it seems neat thing to do
danielpbarron: kakobrekla> any bitcoin poker site already struggles for existence or is half dead or completely dead << because they don't use the WoT
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> This is personally the longest I've ever seen gribble AWOL. < same here.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> pretty impressed that single point of failure went this long without failing. << same here #2
Fun: as to reality if drunk person mistakes tree for say a monster he will hack it
thestringpuller: but what is the alternative? nanotube would have to trust someone else to maintain gateway into WoT?
Fun: so no matter how reality is perceived human action does alter it :D
thestringpuller: damn, I guess we just pray nanotube isn't locked up in some mexican prison somewhere
ben_vulpes: where does extraordinary rendition happen these days?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes weren't you complaining bout the endless log an hour ago ?
ben_vulpes: watching the thing scroll by as my bouncer replays it makes things look longer than they are
ben_vulpes: what, you think this is the only channel in which i do biz?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16345 @ 0.00064869 = 10.6028 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: lol now that china is looking poised to reconstruct the entire world around shanghai, the english agitprop is talking of putin pawning russian national interest to beijing.
mircea_popescu: quite a step up from "doesn't understand how the world works"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7590 @ 0.00063081 = 4.7878 BTC [-]
Vexual: Hey.. What is this 2015 has started already? Feels like Monday
Vexual: im guessing that bitstamp hot wallet ain't small
BingoBoingo: Who knows? It's the way of two cans and string, one of which is missing
Vexual: so were busting nanotube from mexico?
Vexual: BingoBoingo: got a few days free?
Vexual: put it in sluts.txt and do it later then
BingoBoingo: Vexual: The proper file extension for that type is .twat
Vexual: now theres a tld worth bidding on
Vexual: ben_vulpes: i just want more coins plz <this guy gets it
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15214 @ 0.00065366 = 9.9448 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00064929 = 5.6813 BTC [-]
cazalla: hey fluffypony, is amarula nice?
fluffypony: cazalla: it's a little too sweet for my tastes, I'm a whisky and red wine man
cazalla: on second thought, might take another evening walk instead of getting stuck into the booze, by the time i get back, shop will be shut
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00062732 = 8.0924 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: so much drama and it's only the first week of 2015
cazalla: qntra down, that's a first for some time
assbot: Logged on 03-01-2015 21:52:59; mircea_popescu: davout: who decided, and why, that the contents should be gpg signed ? << oh for cryssakes it was in the log like 20 times.
assbot: Logged on 04-01-2015 19:00:14; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: so due to this thing called new year there is 57 bets waiting resolution. good luck to the mods. << i'd say they did pretty okay!
assbot: Logged on 04-01-2015 19:00:14; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: so due to this thing called new year there is 57 bets waiting resolution. good luck to the mods. << i'd say they did pretty okay!
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2036 @ 0.000853 = 1.7367 BTC [-] {2}
xanthyos: or we're in the future we wanted
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1819 @ 0.000852 = 1.5498 BTC [-]
xanthyos: division by zero error somewhere
xanthyos: i've moved most to electrum wallet as recommended by BingoBoingo
assbot: I'm happy they killed that nigger Eric Garner. /hashtag/Holocaust2?src=hash /hashtag/KillEmAll?src=hash
xanthyos: wow, bad twitter account management!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00064122 = 10.3878 BTC [+]
xanthyos: hopefully that doesn't suggest their software is sloppily coded
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00062927 = 9.6908 BTC [-] {2}
davout: cazalla: a lot of the other transactions to this address sport a hefty fee too
davout: which could be consistent with 'take the money and run'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.10815384 = 1.406 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00064991 = 8.6438 BTC [+] {2}
TomServo: What kind of things happen at the denver bitcoin center?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00065582 = 11.7392 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: im now getting "my output address is bitstamp hot wallet" emails from bitbet users.
☟︎ kakobrekla: now "bitbet sucks because bitstamp stole coins"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15128 @ 0.00062819 = 9.5033 BTC [-] {3}
artifexd: Anybody else having problems getting anything useful from trilema.com?
mike_c: oh no, somebody haxed all the trilema credits?
mike_c: 502, that doesn't seem like ddos.
mike_c: feels more like a normal ops problem.
davout: it's the end of the world apparently
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2016 @ 0.00062685 = 1.2637 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00062685 = 11.2833 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 05-01-2015 00:46:15; ascii_modem: folks who bring up fpga as a solution - straight to ebay, pick up a board, see if you can bake so much as an i386 compatible, with at least the original's performance, -without- the fpga vendor's closed libraries
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21950 @ 0.00063952 = 14.0375 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: but at this point youd be better off reading all ze logs.
mircea_popescu: anyway, re qntra etc : Banned the following ip addresses on Mon Jan 5 09:42:16 EST 2015 23.235.236.98 with 9755 connections
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2000 @ 0.00084091 = 1.6818 BTC [-] {8}
davout: in other news bitcointalk is now requesting that moderators fill some usg paperwork for the purpose of paying taxes
mike_c: hehehe. 1099's for all of them!
punkman: "or if you want me to send it via postal mail." < send it to random Somalian address
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00064007 = 4.9925 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: diana_coman: I heard a rumor awhile ago that you got eulora compiling/running on windows. is that true?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2089 @ 0.0008313 = 1.7366 BTC [-] {7}
diana_coman: I did get it compiled and running on Windows 8, 64bit
mike_c: would you be willing to share how you did that?
diana_coman: actually there is a small update to make there, to give the precise version for one of the libs
diana_coman: but I found out I could not edit the wiki for some reason
mike_c: oh? I actually host that wiki. what happened when you tried to edit?
diana_coman: got an error when trying to save the changes
diana_coman: to be fair, I can't even remember if I had an account, but I somehow thought I didn't need one last time
mike_c: hm, i was just able to make an edit without logging in
mike_c: could try to change it and see if it works? and thanks for posting all the steps.
diana_coman: let me try again, maybe there was some strange stuff going on at that time
diana_coman: well, I've updated the version for the libs and gave the link too, so that should be clearer now
mike_c: great. I'll give your steps a try. I am one of the people who tried and failed a couple times.
diana_coman: mike_c no problem, ping me if it still doesn't work
diana_coman: re the wiki, it seems to have trouble when I add the link with
http so possibly that was the issue?
mike_c: hm. I'll look into it.
mike_c: sounds like some security plugin gone awry. I'll fix it.
pete_dushenski: almost as satisfying as watching wall street face plant
mike_c: fuck. i knew i should have bitbet that.
pete_dushenski: skin in the game: separating talkers from walkers since always
mike_c: yes yes. i just got my butt kicked on "bitcoin won't suck by end of 2014" bets, so perhaps i am gunshy.
mike_c: plus, it hasn't happened yet. mar '15 is at $50.65
pete_dushenski: mike_c eh i got my but kicked on diff bets so i'm with you there
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thestringpuller: a new saying: "When there is blood on the streets, buy Bitcoin."
thestringpuller: collary: "When there is blood on the streets, somebody goin to jail." (The niggarized version)
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu it was a little rainier and cooler than expected, a little pricier too, but overall perfectly pleasant
mircea_popescu: mebbe "heyo" ? make an argentine joke right in the spec!
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu i see that your vacay produced a rather prolific number of articles.. did you stay in town?
mircea_popescu: in keeping with the naming conventions introduced, everyone can call the helo packet whatever they wish :D
thestringpuller: "The sad part is that Bitstamp promised they will have quarterly audits of reserves. First and last was in May 2014."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2672 @ 0.00080643 = 2.1548 BTC [-] {11}
davout: said connection being terminated by a KTHXBYE packet
davout: LOLWUT packets to be used for the filling of sequence gaps
mircea_popescu: many moons ago some kids did write some thing that used the PIZDA/PULA convention.
davout: what do you mean by "a signed certificate for the IP fingerprint if necessary" ?
mircea_popescu: unless the server is actually using my own keypair. which it conceivably could.
mircea_popescu: basically, program has one, you have one. you can if you wish use the same. don;'t have to.
davout: so if i understand correctly the daemon has its own keypair, the "for" keypair would be the user's
kakobrekla: i dont get this scoopbot 30 min delay + fetch command. when i setup rss feed for herr vulpes jenkins (which is now offline for some reason) i hit it once a minute cause i give no fucks. no need for this -fetch nonsense if you change the interval to something saner.
☟︎ kakobrekla: its not like we gonna run out of internets anytime soon.
davout: makes sense, the hash, salt and nonce fiddling is to prevent against replay right?
kakobrekla: set it 5min for trilema, 1 min for qntra etc
mircea_popescu: davout no, it's to make mitm and masquerading much harder.
davout: apart from replaying i can't think of an example where GPG isn't enough a protection already
mircea_popescu: a replay "attack" coming from a trusted host carries a very large cost. they'll get banned.
mircea_popescu: tbh the l2 list etc has been a revelation in computer security for me.
davout: i was thinking rely on GPG and simply encode a nonce in the message
☟︎ mircea_popescu: in the design as is, now you reject my junk because i don't know the salts.
davout: i discard your messages since it doesn't bear a valid GPG signature
davout: if they were wouldn't that remove the salts requirements?
mircea_popescu: it would but it's moot, because i'm not about to require people to sign everything they say.
davout: because if you know the server's key, you're probably aware of the salts etc
mircea_popescu: how does that work ? you know my ip and his gpg pubkey.
mircea_popescu: how does this make it probable you have root on my box ?
davout: i meant if you raped the server for its key, you may as well have the salt and stuff
davout: i didn't think of the requirement to sign as an issue actually
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kakobrekla: it seems ircd centralization has been a problem since forever and noone has bothered to solve it
mircea_popescu: it's all rotten to the core, conceptually. what the shit is a "moderator" anyway ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it's all rotten to the core, conceptually. what the shit is a "moderator" anyway ? << They are the person at the nightclub who makes sure you drink the two drink medium, but get you off the premises if you actually get drunk.
mircea_popescu: i thought it was the dumb bitch on tv that acted important and prevented anyone from making any sense
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BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i thought it was the dumb bitch on tv that acted important and prevented anyone from making any sense << AH, the asshole enforcing moderate talking instrad of moderate drinking. Easy to mix those assholes up.
punkman: " Undersheriff Noel Stephen said he has personally supervised approximately 12 spankings." < lol!
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mircea_popescu: i'd be very surprised if it needs to wait for 2025. i doubt one in three english speakers i meet are not autistic as it is.
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mike_c: srsly. it zooms pretty well.
mircea_popescu: there's maybe 5 actual ipad games, and up to 100`000 re-skins of the same "play slots on ipad!!1" nonsense
mircea_popescu: in no case can one compare the amiga variety with the ipad variety, and bearing in mind amiga worked on 8 bit.
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thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: it's interesting how this also happened with 8 bit atari consoles in the late 70's / early 80's
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: there's maybe 5 actual ipad games, and up to 100`000 re-skins of the same "play slots on ipad!!1" nonsense << in response to that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.0006328 = 10.3779 BTC [-] {2}
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cazalla: gaming on iphone/ipad seems to be more about positioning adverts next to controls or other interface options as to guarantee misclicks
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cazalla: ya, only games that seem a good for it are the endless run and jump to avoid objects games
cazalla: not the new ones though that are full of ads, the old ones like robot unicorn attack (and not robot unicorn attack 2)
cazalla: nfi what that evolution one is but looks a bit better than original
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ascii_modem: he described, approximately, by accident, an experiment of mine - minus the fun bits
ascii_modem: i'm pleasantly surprised to learn that this is, apparently, one of those 'inevitable' inventions
ascii_modem: that or he read the log and picked the parts he liked
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mike_c: i feel like i'm going to take some shit for this.
mike_c: Microsoft shut down their captcha service, which was causing that problem on the eulorum wiki.
kakobrekla: what, computers got good at recognizing cats ?
mike_c: srsly. it was working really well too.
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diana_coman: I never got why are people supposed to prove that they are not computers/bots, really
mike_c: before that captcha the wiki was swarmed with thousands of fake accounts and pages
mike_c: they were creating hundreds of users and pages a day
diana_coman: uhm, so you're saying that effectively for all behaviour, there really ARE more bots (be it blood and flesh and bones ones) than people around on the internets
diana_coman: I confess I did not really look into it, but I'd rather look for some way to block bots away without the expense for actual humans - dunno, maybe some kind of timestamp check thing or something similar
mike_c: and it is not unusual for it to catch humans
diana_coman: hmmm, I guess then the question remains on how often that happens
diana_coman: I mean: if you ask by default humans to prove, than it happens each and every time, really, no choice there
mike_c: only each and every time you post a link.
mike_c: idk, the thing has some smarts. but that's why it worked sometimes and not others.
diana_coman: do you mean posting a link on trilema or on the wiki>
diana_coman: at least it did not ask me to identify cats and dogs...
mike_c: the thing is, the trilema one is extremely frustrating when it misfires.
mike_c: because you don't know even know why
diana_coman: well, so you go and yell at the owner, lol
diana_coman: that must at least let some frustration out
mike_c: yes, but this is hardly a good solution for a wiki. you, for example, did not go yell at the owner
diana_coman: true, because I thought that well, if there is some interest in the thing, they will come asking on eulora /irc and then we sort it out
mike_c: yes, but it took six weeks. picking some cat photos seems like less of a pain.
mike_c: but, this is religious debate.
diana_coman: on some days I admit I might send the cats and dogs and site to all hell and as a result not post
diana_coman: but then again, that might be just me, I admit it
diana_coman: btw, out of curiosity: why is this eulorom site apart entirely from mingame.bz? I thought eulora was essentially made by minigame so I don't quite follow the different sites/lack of links or is there something I'm missing?
assbot: To would-be auditors: don't play the charade of checking if exchanges are solvent once every few months; real-time crypto-auditing or GTFO.
BingoBoingo: ^ @Beautyon_ @petertoddbtc Well, @Bitstamp being more than two cans and string could have helped a lot.
mike_c: diana_coman: the wiki is a "fan site". not run by minigame.
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mike_c: captcha fixed, no cats.
mike_c: that's the problem. sloths can't defeat spammers. cats can.
mike_c: wtf is that evil link?
mike_c: psa: don't click that.
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assbot: Logged on 05-01-2015 21:34:11; ascii_modem: re: mircea's 'ircd' article:
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4908 @ 0.00075451 = 3.7031 BTC [-] {18}
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2014 03:23:35; asciilifeform: i dare to invoke the 'parachute theorem' and say now, that when wot is taken seriously by intelligent and resourceful enemies, it will be rather late.