BingoBoingo: All I know is they like to park their asses on bare galvanized with for their personal transformations. For two weeks the tomatoes suffered mucho de stinkbugs.
mircea_popescu: you mean the butterflies ? iirc these only eat milkweed
BingoBoingo: Nah I mean with the butterflies there I refrained from gassing the stinkbugs. They crawled from the milkweed to the tomato cages to transform.
BingoBoingo: Anyways musl servering is going well, building a trb on the box because gotta test for republican standards compliance.
mircea_popescu: that's the top priority, else we'll be paying for an empty rack while the endless doodling goes about with getting servers delivered.
BingoBoingo: I haven't recieved it. I'm going to poke them again now.
mircea_popescu: and in case it's not obvious: there's a MAJOR opportunity here for someone wanting to deliver a service for pay. why is nobody advertising "i will produce boxes and ship them to bb" ? have "the boundless blablas" buffett assigned to america died QUITE that dead ?
BingoBoingo: Someone here has to need a vacation, mircea_popescu might be the only other person in the republic with better weather scheduled for the next two months.
trinque: idea of this is nonsense. why don't I contract with latechco directly for a 1U if I have to do that
trinque: I'm definitely not flying a box to bbisp
trinque: guy's talking about vacations. shipping has been plan B if there's no machines to acquire on the spot
mircea_popescu: trinque i have been pushing him to produce me a list of machiens that can be bought for what, three weeks now ? six ?
trinque is on the same page, wants the list
trinque has been a pretty vocal interested party in a 1U for a while
mircea_popescu: $900 writeoff for "expert" that didn;t as much as write on her tits, now $3k write-off for "month of pulling dick atop empty rack", the joys of business over here.
mod6: Can I get in on that fg order?
mod6: I wanna send like 4 down there.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i think ima just get s.nsa to make bbisp an offer buy some to have on hand.
trinque: BingoBoingo: pls to send shipping address my way as well
mod6: lol, i didn't mean mine no. but i guess i could do that.
mod6: i'd be fine with the ones that are alreday down there though.
mircea_popescu: mod6 imo it's counterproductive to do it that way ; but each his own
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that he eventually wants to have the infrastructure down there for his own boxen
mod6: Just was thinking I'd be/foundation would probably be happy to purchase 4 from whatever gets shipped down to bb.
mod6: yes, mircea_popescu. exactly.
trinque is trying to not let the ad hoc process here rustle his jimmies
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform possibly because other parties assemble teh boxes.
mod6: fair point asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: check out new meaning of PUBLIC company coined in tmsr forum!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform are you basically willing to sit on newegg/amazon/whatever and package boxes to mail over ?
mircea_popescu: ^ guy somehow managed to get a boxful of pogos through customz.
trinque: well for starters, when I get a quote out of folks for something that's 200 cheaper than another quote, oughta be understood that I'm helping the damned negotiation. that was annoying.
trinque: if not what, trinque's playing some game?
mircea_popescu: trinque i deliberately didn't want to hussle on the price ; i don't want THOSE $200. but it was understood.
mircea_popescu: trust in the non-idiocy of the lordship, you will rarely be disappointed.
trinque haggles like an indian, but I see it
mircea_popescu: i don't because i want them to have a vested interest in sucking my cock.
mircea_popescu: what i don't want is to leak 10x the sum to unrelated third party scammer-whores, ie whores that don't even strip.
mircea_popescu bought tyres + inner tubes at place which had shorter "guarantia" and charged slightly more than place which did not offer the inner tubes. "why not just buy tubes and take them to other place ? they said they'd do it" "stfu"
mircea_popescu: was regaled with the most incredible display of local competency ; indeed global competency ever encountered. three kids switched out and back in five tyres in like 12 minutes.
mircea_popescu: they talked so fucking fast I HAD TO TELL THEM TO SLOW DOWN FOR ME! I!!!
mircea_popescu: i think with some minimal tweaks that shop could go on the f1 trackside.
mircea_popescu: oh and btw -- if your expensive imported german car isn't rolling on tubed tyres, do try them on. it... it makes a fucking difference.
mircea_popescu: trinque i expect you know exactly how it goes, a couple hundy extra puts you way at the top of ~the excel spreadsheet~. which is worth it from a service pov. i think you follow the strategix involved.
trinque: I can give the benefit of the doubt that DC will see it that way, sane foot to start upon.
mircea_popescu: (for noobs : most fiatola businesses keep an excel spreadshit detailing the per account roi.)
trinque: at question wasn't the amount of money, but that two different answers came out of a vendor. I have dealt with many, many a credit card processor.
trinque: and so, instincts tuned to those cockroaches
mircea_popescu: but i can't go that way after having specifically organized a painstaking and complex process to rule out teh comcasts.
mircea_popescu: !!rate mp_en_viaje 1 will be travelling for the next week ; feel free to use this temporary item in the interval.
deedbot: mp_en_viaje is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: !!rate mp_en_viaje 1 will be travelling for the next week ; feel free to use this temporary item in the interval.
mod6: before: ProcessBlock (res == 1) took : 398571ms; db write wait: 215439ms
mod6: after : ProcessBlock (res == 1) took : 10994ms; db write wait: 1471ms
mod6: height=506130 and climbing
mod6: so yeah, pretty clear. spinning rust and TRB do not mix.
mod6: (this one has aggressive push blocks too)
mod6: zomg : height=506430
mod6: im having a grand ole time
mircea_popescu: in other news, i'm doing spencer and it's coming along beautifully!
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other chicks can code moments, "I earned my degree and license in cosmetology and had a horrible career as a hair dresser that I ended in 2015 due to social anxiety. I still love hair theory, and I even really enjoy working on people with whom I share a close relationship, but now I'm in pursuit of a new path."
mircea_popescu: this is going to be a standard retort now, "shut up so-and-so, i bet you don't even understand hair theory!"
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 11631.15, vol: 11991.87728486 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 11816.0, vol: 36352.70760158 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 11626.6, vol: 7150.50715833 | Volume-weighted last average: 11751.6518849
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Shipping addresses sent to those who requested it.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what's wrong with fedexing it! << Box that enters the country via FEDEX is going to certainly get hit with customs and the 22% IVA. Box that comes in suitcase is almost certainly going to get waved through as a personal effect. It's a math problem of whether to pay an import duty or plane ticket.
mircea_popescu: maybe we get alf to send you his pet for a week or so. petexchange programme.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-28 00:34 mircea_popescu: if i want 5 boxes, what do i do now ?
mircea_popescu: speaking of which : hey diana_coman it is upon you to produce a dreamspec eulora machine nao. hit me.
BingoBoingo: Everyone I have talked to here is a fan of the suitcase method. "when we fly to Miami everyone comes out of the woodwork with a shopping list"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform would be an one-time thing. but hey, you get to see uruguay. it's jenuinely not bad, can go for a week, take pet on trip to bsas for a few days... the city is lovely if one doesn't mean to stay
mircea_popescu: ruins of modern civilisation, it looks quite like newyork downtown
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform would be an one-time thing. but hey, you get to see uruguay. it's jenuinely not bad, can go for a week, take pet on trip to bsas for a few days... the city is lovely if one doesn't mean to stay << Rocha, Cabo Polonia, and Colonia are all highly recommended by the vacationers
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so 3 of yours |AND FIVE OF MINE, this should justify the trip
mircea_popescu: i pay teh airfare you pay the steaks&tampons, you got yourself a[nother] vacation eh.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, will schedule dreaming eulora spec machine then
a111: Logged on 2017-10-11 20:43 BHopkins: I think I did it right: 12taDFRdimNTHx1xoUkUZWj3nrE4js6LM6
mircea_popescu: in other news, to share with the group for comment : the idea is that even if we do mandate smallendian, it would still be proper to have a bitwise implementation, even were it slow, as a proper model of sorts. so it'd be both of these.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you happen to have a link to the original "how much would a crate of tomatoes cost" thread ?
mircea_popescu: that we were discussing current costs of items, and i said for today's crate of tomato to be compared to past's crate of tomato, it has to be biologically identical,
mircea_popescu: ie 0 ppm all of the various pollutants, there's no "tolerable" level.
mircea_popescu: me too, buyt apparently neither apples nor tomatoes not dioxin were mentioned, though i vaguely recall all three
a111: Logged on 2014-10-15 19:56 asciilifeform: another observation re: qntra. recall mircea_popescu's point about synthetic tomatoes?
mircea_popescu: i recall it as a conversation between us, you were saying something and that was my retort.
BingoBoingo: The difference between the standard trade tomatoe here and en Estados Unidos is vast
a111: Logged on 2014-10-14 15:14 mircea_popescu: the entire "monsanto increases yields" fallacy is based on the fraudulent proposition that shit-tomatoes are = tomatoes.
mircea_popescu: yeah i found that too, but yes, this is a reference not the thing
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-28#1777688 << there's a handful of lords that are running ppc hardware, which is big endian. there's also sparc, that like ppc, is a somewhat saner cpu than x86, and that can be had for cheap for server etc. purposes
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-01-28 15:24 mircea_popescu: in other news, to share with the group for comment : the idea is that even if we do mandate smallendian, it would still be proper to have a bitwise implementation, even were it slow, as a proper model of sorts. so it'd be both of these.
phf: if we mandate smallendian, we simply cut out a bunch of cheap, reliable hardware
mircea_popescu: phf i am aware. do you actually want to make this an objection ?
trinque has a 4-core g5 xserve right here he was planning to ship to bbisp
trinque: hasn't much to do with the endian, more to do with "amount of shit bolted to side" and "recent enough to do actual work upon"
phf: he's saying he can't fix it with any of the published vdiff's since i haven't published anything yet
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do a "cosmetics" at the end of the story, by then oyu'll have a proper vdiff
phf: mircea_popescu: our current strategy with architecture support has been "it works on my machine, but if you want it to work on your machine submit a vpatch", and it's been pretty consistently applied (e.g. my openbsd patch that's been floating independently, despite never getting vpatched).
mircea_popescu: obviously one could patch the eucrypt to work on his box if for some reason he wants to (though i can't imagine who'd be running eulora client of ppc machine, but anyways).
mircea_popescu: the interesting point here is the mandate, ie, do you actually object to our saying "bignum is evil and get rid of it"
phf: so while i think lack of bigendian will create immediate problems for people (e.g. no vdiff/vpatch on g5 machines for trinque, untill he patches it himself), i don't think it's not historically supported
phf: i find all arguments pro or cons unconvincing, as encoded by elders i nthe very name, which is a reference to gulliver's travels
phf: it's a completely arbitrary decision, that has a bunch of cons and pros based on time, hardware, architecture, etc. etc. big iron used to be bigendian, micros were primarily little endian, both for reasons
mircea_popescu: phf so you are actually saying that there's some kind of way to look at the situation that has both endian notations stand on equality footing ?
phf: right, i'm more saying that neither have merit, and the only reason there's a narrative is because you have to have one or the other, and by nature of having both in theory you have both in practice
mircea_popescu: but don't you find that one's logically consistent whereas the other's logically inconsistent ?
mircea_popescu: in smallendian notation, for every subset of bits however selected, they will be found before an equally sized subset of higher order bits and after an equally sized subset of lower order bits.
mircea_popescu: in bigendian notation, ~SOME~ subsets of bits will be found before an equally sized subset of higher order bits and after an equally sized subset of lower order bits ; and ~SOME~ the other way ; and what the magic size cutoff is VARIES.
mircea_popescu: but this is a problem of display not of ontology, on small endian box.
mircea_popescu: the fact that you choose to have your ide replace all ifs with :-) is your fucking problem.
mircea_popescu: ah come on, the bits exist whether you're looking at them or not.
mircea_popescu: i can't conceive who the fuck else was ever equipped to touch this shit.
BingoBoingo: Well, that everything we dig into turns into shit upon examinition show how great of a handicap not having a republic is.
phf: mircea_popescu: i don't think it makes sense to talk about bit order on any of the architectures that we're discussing, since you can only address by bytes. big endian systems could have little endian bytes and you would never know, likewise little endian systems could have big endian bytes and you would never know. logically though there's no reason you can't view big endian to be a bit reverse of little endian
mircea_popescu: i don't agree that implementation limits my power of representation.
mircea_popescu: i can discuss bit order irrespective of the fact that systems implement byte addressing. i must.
phf: well, then you can't arbitrarily say that big endian system is illogical because it has little endian bit order but big endian byte order.
mircea_popescu: are you actually saying "well mp, ~maybe~ bits exist outside of anyone looking at them, but sure as fuck they do not exist outside of bytes, as currently the situation stands" ?
mircea_popescu: jesus fuck this is brokeneder than originally imagined.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> diff -uNr $1 $2 | awk 'm = /^(--- a|\+\+\+)/ << diff -uNr $1 $2 | awk 'm = /^(--- a|\+\+\+ b)/ << ya?
mod6: anyway, thing i was talking about before had: /^(--- | \+\+
mod6: this: /^(--- |\+\+\+ )/
mod6: maybe the more specific with 'a' and 'b' is the ticket tho
mod6: in other news, got within 2 blocks of HEAD lastnight... never quite did make it... then for some reason fell like 80 blocks behind while stuck on a block.
mod6: well, probably wasn't "stuck" just takig a long time or whatever.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> e.g. sitting and processing tx, and simply nobody gave it any new blocks ? << yes, looks this way. was heavily loading the mempool with shit
mod6: if it does it again, we'll take a look
mod6: node is catching back up now
mod6: yeah, strangely i only had like 4 connections; even with -myip being set to external ip
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: is the 22% actually "we have declared the value of this thing to be $maxint, and now pay $maxint * .22 or never see your gear again"?
mod6: but *shrug* maybe it just needed longer to talk to others. it had only been up for a little while at that point.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: That I am asking around on and seeking clarification about.
BingoBoingo: A common recurring answer is they don't know because everyone they know goes to Miama with one bag and returns home with 5-10
ben_vulpes: how the fuck are uruguayan bordermeat going to price an xserve anyways
phf: "computer parts $20"
phf: i thought that was standard procedure for shipping international?
mod6: ok 3 blocks behind, now just doing a bunch of mem pool stuff. we'll see if it falls back behind
phf: yes, that's cause fg looks like some mil spec shit. you just needed to put inside a cheap plastic box and stencil "fax modem" on it
mircea_popescu: honestly, i have great faith in alf's capacity to cross items.
mod6: it's just been since april 5th. so im kinda excited.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> phf: in my experience the magic word is 'commercial sample for demo'. but only worx with suitcases. << Personal effects
shinohai: Sorry for spam, doing housecleaning as well.
phf: shinohai: here's a service you could provide: bouncers for sluts :) i believe e.g. znc supports multi-tenant
Techman: rip some of the idle folks from lrh
phf: Techman: well, i did say sluts, not "peanut gallery". most of freenode channels seem to consist of 2-3 useful folk and the 20-30 backsit yes men.
Techman: Are you sure you meant to direct that @ me? I'm talking about the housecleaning that shinohai is doing
phf: well, to be fair i'm sure i mean to direct that at you, but what you said wasn't directed at me.
shinohai: phf was going to, maybe when more sluts arrive. I thought emmylark was under the auspices of mircea_popescu
trinque: people don't show up at some empty lot hungry and then later there's a restaurant
trinque was saying to build teh restaurant
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mod6: hey! cool asciilifeform
mod6: i like the perf charts too. always helps to have numbers & charts.
mod6: omg it is so hard not to babysit this thing after a year of babysitting.
mod6: im like glued to this debug log
phf: asciilifeform: so i spent a long time on your homework since it's a kind of trick question, but the naive solution that you've provided will not always produce True for obvious reasons.
phf: asciilifeform: i.e. ??``[(let ((a #x]#[) (b #x]#[) (c #x]*#[) (sz #x].0.1-#[)) (= (nth-value 0 (truncate (* a b) (1+ sz))) c))]
deedbot: pehbot voiced for 30 minutes.
phf: asciilifeform: oh lulz
pehbot: asciilifeform: 4B22E1172FCE727E6B314B8C59C8E006C757BC27D8D4E74759F0C7BFFA55178C4C2C83F6BC069144F61ECEBF9D8C1B427C04675B8107FCCB541FE11979610AB5
phf: and phf became enlightened
pehbot: asciilifeform: print 0x14337E4EB2BDBC5A94050DE08B74D0E2A0898FDB8867273FAA974DB195E67AE503DCB77FCB92B67F1DA0CFF0142C6B2481C6205EDA36C4265E5E0AB86BFAF315 == 0xDF812DEB8C3DC0A15994324DB8BEB022DA867AFDFD8E7E1AE704DA29F585069F * 0x172360CF1AA56EAD244177180C8D12BF6C329957E93F2E77E558AE1F7A336DCB
mircea_popescu: behold, that there was an empty lot with a lot of hungry people in it that then later became a restaurant.