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BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Gotta keep them straight. What if you must leave America's hat for the malarial side of the ocean?
pete_dushenski: america's hat's pretty enormous. there's always another corner of desolate tundra with satellite internet to set up camp in.
BingoBoingo: I guess you just have to stay one step ahead of the sandminers?
mod6: <ben_vulpes> b-b-...5.sh works fine on something approaching a sane computer << ok cool!
mod6: <+jurov> mod6 it did compiled! << wonderful!
ben_vulpes: that sweet song of "clean socks for you! clean shirts for you!"
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phf: asciilifeform: around?
phf: i can't figure out which patches are actually shiva patches. there's "(EXPERIMENTAL) Introducing: Shiva." and then sometime after there's "Tinyscheme Genesis, Cleanup, and Fixes, CORRECTED; -and- Shiva Pedigree Bridge."
☟︎ phf: i take it the combination of the two is what one uses to press shiva?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32841 @ 0.0005596 = 18.3778 BTC [-]
phf: but none of these patches contain code that actually touches the bitcoin source
phf: ooh, so shiva part 2 is the btc tree thing, where's the tinyscheme genesis is where you get the tinyscheme dependency?
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 23:02:29; mircea_popescu: nobody is to use AntPool, A-XBT, Bitfinex, BitFury, Bitmain, BIT-X Exchange, Blockcloud, BTCC, Coinfloor, F2Pool, HaoBTC, Ledger, LIGHTNINGASIC & BitExchange, OKCoin or Spondoolies-Tech for any purpose under any circumstances, or ever hire anyone who ever worked there.
mircea_popescu: odds are it's like last time "they lied about me agreeing", etc.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33883 @ 0.0005596 = 18.9609 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 22:22:12; mircea_popescu: people in the senate floor of the most serene republic notice the silly things the kids are doing in bed these days and lo! ben_vulpes signs it, which makes that snipped suddenly go into a bunch of servers.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100650 @ 0.0005663 = 56.9981 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 21:52:20; mircea_popescu: the idea is to have diverse coder process, and a lot of fuckign toi land trouble on tghe coders, for maximal output quality.\
BingoBoingo: so, Inversion tables join "edgerouter lite" on TMSR shopping list?
mircea_popescu: it's just a convenience. it's not a fucking usg tendril.
mircea_popescu: principally atm, that mod6 is running like a mad dog trying to keep on top of everyone's patches.
mircea_popescu: i don't see folks agreeing to anything. i see mod6 putting in a lot of blood.
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 462 @ 0.00254173 = 1.1743 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: this is as it should be, incidentally, tho the original design was for there to be 2 people who then add more.
mircea_popescu: but the point remains : having a trb foundation on the solid foundation of a v environment IS a convenience.
mircea_popescu: having a centralising pos a la vessenes faux foundation on top of the broken process non-v, is a disaster.
mircea_popescu: a disaster ot which naggum's lifeless body doth attest.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, reality contains no divine manifestation.
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 22:25:16; mircea_popescu: the important parts here being that v does away with the concept of developer control over code ; and with the concept of code ownership ; and instead introduces the concept of signature-driven responsibility.
mircea_popescu: you choose to view this as a sign of the omnipotence of usg.
mircea_popescu: it is not, but merely the necessary result of trying to keep milk in reed baskets.
mircea_popescu: the face of alf when he becomes privy to the evil matroshka mp, whereby he only argues things one way for the ease of arguing other things later.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> 2) what if he wants, e.g., a mod6+ben_vulpes tree. << in general it's to be expected you'd see a lot of replication of code.
mircea_popescu: if you wish to care about sweat you'll end up with the maggots on the meat.
mircea_popescu: similarly moscow university teacher does not care about candle burn.
mircea_popescu: "who cares how many nights student has to stay up until x clicks in his head"
mircea_popescu: but in any case, what i expect in practice is - a lot of cross signing, of people who know each other ; and a ready spot for corporate investment. "make me a mod6+alf patch" is a job.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> the work that goes into 'regrinding' is idiot waste. << it is NOT waste. not anymore than the work that goes into brushing teeth is idiot waste.
mircea_popescu: "why should i talk to the woman ebfore fucking her!!11"
mircea_popescu: reading the fucking code is not time wasted, keeping you from time you could have "better" spend writing more code.
mircea_popescu: anf if "doing ANYTHING else" stands for "write more code", best outcome possible.
mircea_popescu: but the notion that code can be owned is so idiotic as not to be able to stand. it's fucking code!
mircea_popescu: which was not terribly relevant : it could ford in places nobody knew there was a ford before.
mircea_popescu: i see no problem with SOME software must progress. it does not follow that all must, or all should. bitcoin provably shouldn't.
mircea_popescu: if it's finished before i die or after, i don't care. so long as it's finished right
mircea_popescu: if not "relief from the antiquated chains of monk copying"
mircea_popescu: look no further than yourself : are you a bad person for living in dc ?
mircea_popescu: machine is not a pill against retardation. nevertheless, system is a method for limiting expression of retardation.
mircea_popescu: which is why the same proteins make dog and dog vomit.
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 Done: f400ba5417274972a8a0da799d916983987156f949955d2bb9c6a4f146be2b31 bitcoind
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is why the v is so important. does away with any exam.
mircea_popescu: this is a fantasm. that you'd like it be true, i believe you. that it is, i do not believe you.
mircea_popescu: what you get when you take toil out of painting is warhol. he is not an artist
mircea_popescu: what you get when you take toil out of psychologi is lacan. he is not a psychiatrist,
mircea_popescu: to this day the only way to become a carpenter is to carpent. the only way to become a whoremonger is to fuck.
mircea_popescu: you can't be a clinician without treating people, which yes, peeliong potatoes.
mircea_popescu: the deep secret here being that the potatoes are objectionable FOR BEING POTATOES, whereas their absence is objectionable universally.
mircea_popescu: hmmm where's that article about boring family life, and hating the boring structure but nevertheless benefitting from it
mircea_popescu: But why do we need "the balance?" What does it replace, what went missing? The very thing Holden Caufield hated: "phoniness", protocol and ritual for seemingly no purpose. Politeness is fine, but why do I have to make small talk? Why do I have to pretend to care about the weather? Why, after a decade of marriage, should dinner be a regular review of the somewhat boring goings-ons of "the day"? Because that formal
mircea_popescu: ity is freeing, it allows self-conscious physical bodies to get used to standing next to each other without having to be acting, this includes husbands and wives. When dinner is a controlled process with "manners" and expected topics of shared conversation and start and end times, as boring as it may get, it is boring, not you. Women are especially sensitive to this absence of convention, this is one reason for the p
mircea_popescu: opularity of Downton Abbey, not to mention alcohol and iphones at dinner. It is against this background of "phony" convention that teens can productively "rebel" and find their own individuality against a status quo; fighting against an emotionally illogical, arbitrary, unpredictable structure results in learning the opposite lesson, "whatever gets me through the day..." Without this structure to social activities, w
mircea_popescu: hen the "natural" conversation stops being interesting-- and it will, even if most of you weren't bad at it-- it would be a judgment about your relationship, about you. And you'll beg St. Jobs to blink a path to safety because otherwise you have to sit there with no existential support.
mircea_popescu: Texting and social media's slowness gives them their power for this purpose. You read a text, and it lingers, it keeps your attention because it's all there is; and then you respond with a piece of your real self, and wait for a response... what's happening is time travel-- while you are on pause, the rest of not-your life goes faster. It is far more efficient at killing time than a phone call.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so they did. and women beaten for cutting cabbage wrongly. and on it goes.
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mircea_popescu: everything makes sense, my dear alf, as long as the cane doesn't cut into one's own buttocks.
mircea_popescu: well now that we understand the positions in theory, a negotiation for functional practice may begin.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45100 @ 0.00056939 = 25.6795 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: (and for the record i will point out that tlp is anglotard enough to miss most of the substance. there's perfecty good reason everyone painted the same god damned vase with two apples next to it, and this has little do to with "you're not boring son ok" and a lot of fucking things to do with ... damn, where's that thread about ther ancient battlefield ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the one where new people see the same ravines and tend to build the same bridge long dead people saw and built ?
mircea_popescu: there's a depth acquired from "boring" narrowness of subject.
mircea_popescu: damn we're not even a decade in can't find shit in the logs ;/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42470 @ 0.0005686 = 24.1484 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: and the one in the middle is all like "Shit, i really got the worst boobjob in the world"
phf: went to have dinner, come back, mother of logs
jurov: the v theory is fine, but in practice i'm afrain it will drive everyone attempting it insane
jurov: improvement toward what?
mod6: i don't think V is driving me insane. at least, I hope not. i think re-grinding is a pain, but i don't see a way around this.
mod6: shinohai: cool! thanks!
mircea_popescu: i will be off to do things with slutty girls now, bbl.
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 20:41:35; ben_vulpes: mod6: i am *still* getting this with build-bitcoin-v99995.sh: gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file 'buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz' was NOT verified!
☟︎ hanbot: mod6 ftr i'm not at all set up for proper testing atm, much as i wish i could offer something. will heads up when i'm able.
mod6: hanbot: no worries,. thanks!
mod6: danielpbarron: did you put this key 0xAB07D806D2CE741FB886EE50B025BA8B59C36319 in your gpg keyring?
mod6: along with the other 3?
danielpbarron: when i try to get it, it gives the error linked above
mod6: how are you trying to 'get it' ?
mod6: didnt see the paste /me looks
danielpbarron: i get the same error when i do the same thing with the long key id you just showed
phf: asciilifeform: should be better called "disabled", but really makes no difference
phf: also release ought to be stable
danielpbarron: regardless, the script ended with a bitcoind in rotor/TEST2/bitcoin/src/
mod6: danielpbarron: try `gpg --recv-key0xAB07D806D2CE741FB886EE50B025BA8B59C36319`
mod6: ok, well it should pull that key.
mod6: that command should ^^^
phf: so without the two broken patches experimental almost presses cleanly. something wrong with polar's patches..
mod6: gab the key from the fhe keyserver andimport manually?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15250 @ 0.00056654 = 8.6397 BTC [-]
mod6: and ALL: do not run this script 2x, ever. if something goes wrong, just please, start again fresh dir blow everything away except your .wot dir & contents and script.
danielpbarron: well i got a bitcoind out of it, and when i run it against my already mostly complete .bitcoin directory i got black holed; trying again now with -connect=173.73.235.152
phf: i'm going to try and keep main patches view the same as what mod6 is releasing
danielpbarron: can't get a new block, just bastards and transactions that appear to be invalid
danielpbarron: but that's not necessarily the fault of your thing; i had a power outage take this machine down without properly shutting down
mod6: well,let us know how it goes. thanks for building.
danielpbarron: gonna try a few more times to get it to continue building on the blocks i already had, and failing that I'll try it with an empty .bitcoin directory
danielpbarron: oh also, in getinfo I get this >> "errors" : "WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct! You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade."
mod6: something is wrong. i dont know what.
BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> oh also, in getinfo I get this >> "errors" : "WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct! You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade." << The hard shutdown may have left your blockchain copy corrupted at the end. Gotta get a UPS.
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: This problem happened with quantrill this week. Was unresponsive so I ordered a reboot, after reboot... holy fucksticks the disappoint.
BingoBoingo: powercycling a bitcoin node is something of a gamble
BingoBoingo: I dunno what insanity possessed me to order that reboot, when the same problem is why I got batteries and UPSs for local machines
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10620 @ 0.00057275 = 6.0826 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: but when i click the dropdown some js takes over and doesn't let me select anything
ben_vulpes: does not work when tabbing to the dropdown and hitting the spacebar
phf: bah, that's what i get for sprinkling some jquery on that bitch
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40400 @ 0.00056358 = 22.7686 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: also, re: regrind, this is for sure: when doing this task, it forces you to read and understand the patch that needs regrinding. nothing wrong with this as far as I can tell.
phf: ben_vulpes: i'm not quite sure what to attach and where
phf: $('#patchset-select select').on('select', function() { alert('foo') }) doesn't do what i think it should
phf: oh, there's "change"
phf: i already have jquery there because i wanted to add jumping from hunk to hunk on patch page by j/k
phf: (it works now by the way)
phf: err, both jumping from hunk to hunk and the on change
ben_vulpes: how are you shipping to this thing? hacking directly on the running lisp image?
phf: alexandria cffi flexi-streams net-telent-date trivial-features usocket araneida cl-irc gpg-error rfc2388 trivial-gray-streams v babel defservice gpgme split-sequence uiop
gernika: I have manually imported that pubkey, to no avail.
ben_vulpes: gernika does your script go so far as to exit at that point?!
mod6: the thing that bothers me, is this: all that is different about the build script itself is the version of V.
phf: so i tried installing parenscript it pulls in all kinds of retarded. i don't even. anaphora, named-readtables.
mod6: so why didnt we have this trouble a few weeks ago?
ben_vulpes: mod6: are you even certain there was a 'we' running this a few weeks ago?
ben_vulpes: and not just a 'you' and a very sleep deprived and useless me?
mod6: we all went through this with V99996
mod6: back around the 28th.
mod6: gernika: do you have this fine somewhere in your build env? buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz.sign ?
gernika: mod6 I have that fine file in rotor :)
ben_vulpes: (girl hands me child, i place child on floor, "you know precisely what i do when you hand him to me, you could just save us the fifteen seconds and put him on the floor yourself")
mod6: gernika: what happens if you're in the rotor dir and you do `gpg --verify buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz.sign` ?
gernika: mod6: the exact same message as in the dpaste.
mod6: what does this say `gpg --fingerprint 0xAB07D806D2CE741FB886EE50B025BA8B59C36319` ?
gernika: same for previous version of the file
assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 02:24:26; danielpbarron: gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file 'buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz' was NOT verified!
mod6: ben_vulpes: can you identify why this is an issue?
mod6: gernika: <+mod6> what does this say `gpg --fingerprint 0xAB07D806D2CE741FB886EE50B025BA8B59C36319` ?
phf: i proposed a solution to that problem. have a set of gpg commands that work with .wot. so something like vgpg verify file, will 1) tmp=mktemp -d gpgxxxx 2) gpg --homedir $tmp --import wot/*.asc 3) gpg --homedir $tmp --verify 4) rm -rf $tmp, so that no foundation operations ever work with ~/.gnupg and always work with ~/.wot
ben_vulpes: mod6: because gpg says the signature isn't actually verified!
ben_vulpes: unless it's lying and it is verifying the signature anyways
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ben_vulpes: phf: you'll note that's more or less exactly what my v does
mod6: well, im fuckin stumped. this is crazy
phf: ben_vulpes: that's what all v's do, but we also have this auxiliary operations before the press that require calling gpg --verify
mod6: i disagree, totally, that V should contain any functionallity to validate anything outside of the V tree, contained in the patches dir.
ben_vulpes: yeah the v-wrapping build scripts don't isolate themselves from the user keyring.
ben_vulpes: mod6: nobody's saying that buildroot should be v-verified, but that not isolating buildscripts from the user gpg keyring is...not great.
ben_vulpes: if asciilifeform hadn't already declared himself to not touch anything that brought anything down from the net he'd be complaining about all of the above as well
☟︎ phf: mod6: that's not what i'm proposing
mod6: but this problem isn't realted to that.
mod6: for some reason, this guys friggin thing apparently wont verify, except for me. i seem to be the only one who has a gpg & his key that'll verify this damn thing
☟︎ ben_vulpes: mod6: mine *does* verify the signature, but not in the build-bitcoin-v999o*.sh context
mod6: gpg (GnuPG) 2.0.26 << both of my goddamn gentoo's have this installed.
☟︎ mod6: what a goatfucking pile of shit
mod6: well, i dunno what to say i guess.
mod6: you don't have to build with the script, just pull all the pieces and build by hand then.
ben_vulpes: it's not like gavin's going to steal a march on you or anything
BingoBoingo: That's the problem with hamplanets of the sort Gavin is growing into. It is impossible to predict the things they will steal.
BingoBoingo: What punchline, all truefax. If you leave a planet in a room with icing, cornchips, and cookies there is a fair probability the hamplanet will eat the veggie burgers first out of curiosity.
ben_vulpes: "so you leave a hamplanet in a room with frosting, cornchips, guacamole, and cookies. which do they eat first?"
ben_vulpes: "trick question: first they magic veggieburgers into existence to pretend like they ate something wholesome before desert."
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> go take a vacation dood << this is not a solution.
gernika: Some local color, since I'm voiced: I attended a bitcoin meetup in Oakland and encountered a team of "researchers" from Georgia Tech exploring using bitcoin to help the unbanked in Ethiopia. I asked, and no, none of them had been there.
☟︎ mod6: what i need, is help. every day. until this is resolved.
mod6: if someone knows what the problem is here, please submit. if testing is need, lets do it. all those things. telling me to take a break, or calm down, or take a vacation is not a solution.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: i thought the vacation was already scheduled, hence the manic deadline pressure
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.0005704 = 12.4918 BTC [+] {2}
phf: well, not busted, but not actually a signature for the tar.gz file
phf: mod6: ~look~ at the inside of the signature
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 04:15:54; mod6: gpg (GnuPG) 2.0.26 << both of my goddamn gentoo's have this installed.
phf: it's not a detached signature. it's a standalone signed message that makes claims about shasums
mod6: dare i even ask what a package mask is?
mod6: phf: yeah, i see that, ok must be fixed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 8513 @ 0.00023316 = 1.9849 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 04:11:48; ben_vulpes: if asciilifeform hadn't already declared himself to not touch anything that brought anything down from the net he'd be complaining about all of the above as well
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 04:22:56; gernika: Some local color, since I'm voiced: I attended a bitcoin meetup in Oakland and encountered a team of "researchers" from Georgia Tech exploring using bitcoin to help the unbanked in Ethiopia. I asked, and no, none of them had been there.
gernika: asciilifeform: you might be interested to know that the scheme involved some sort of Coke Machine with a water filtration system.
BingoBoingo still remembers the one time he saw a person wearing a bitcoin t-shirt in a bar
gernika: l0l the ethiopian coke machine
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26707 @ 0.00056327 = 15.0433 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 04:12:28; mod6: for some reason, this guys friggin thing apparently wont verify, except for me. i seem to be the only one who has a gpg & his key that'll verify this damn thing
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 04:24:10; mod6: if someone knows what the problem is here, please submit. if testing is need, lets do it. all those things. telling me to take a break, or calm down, or take a vacation is not a solution.
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 04:45:43; asciilifeform: also am i the only one to whom 'unbanked' evokes a way of connecting memory ?
mircea_popescu: us-style retail banking is an abominable pile of nonsense the likes of which nightmares are made of.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10798 @ 0.00056646 = 6.1166 BTC [+]
punkman: asciilifeform: afaik we don't presently have a vtron that is capable of digesting everything incl. the old crud. << my vtron digests conflicting patches
punkman: asciilifeform: (you will have to rename the dir manually, because DIFF IS RETARDED) << I'll do a punkdiff release this week
☟︎ phf: my v can beat up your v
BingoBoingo: nuts, gotta protect them if you've got em'
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23716 @ 0.0005623 = 13.3355 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00056206 = 9.4145 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60000 @ 0.00056151 = 33.6906 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15202 @ 0.00055919 = 8.5008 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57598 @ 0.00055865 = 32.1771 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54088 @ 0.00055861 = 30.2141 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.0005599 = 12.1498 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38950 @ 0.0005586 = 21.7575 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56600 @ 0.00055813 = 31.5902 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.0005601 = 11.314 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: that bet is going to surprise some people
ben_vulpes: alphago can "win" with handicap of 12 stones and that bet goes green
ben_vulpes: unless mp^H^Hmods decide 'overall' has some magical meaning
adlai: so "some people" made an ass out of them and himself
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00055935 = 9.1174 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67200 @ 0.00056242 = 37.7946 BTC [+] {2}
mats: i don't see why there would be a handicap now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97621 @ 0.00056802 = 55.4507 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53400 @ 0.00056679 = 30.2666 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38673 @ 0.00056929 = 22.0162 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76073 @ 0.00056944 = 43.319 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38100 @ 0.00057002 = 21.7178 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60219 @ 0.00056935 = 34.2857 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14997 @ 0.00056506 = 8.4742 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6437 @ 0.00055919 = 3.5995 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68902 @ 0.0005579 = 38.4404 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43120 @ 0.00055889 = 24.0993 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00055768 = 3.123 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> that bet is going to surprise some people << "overall" covers it imo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00055768 = 6.6364 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00055861 = 8.2674 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7953 @ 0.00056231 = 4.4721 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00056859 = 10.263 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20719 @ 0.00056916 = 11.7924 BTC [+]
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assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 06:02:08; punkman: asciilifeform: (you will have to rename the dir manually, because DIFF IS RETARDED) << I'll do a punkdiff release this week
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> nor was the thing in any sense designed at all, really. << quite very much this.
mircea_popescu: i just don't see the gap between "cleanly covers corner cases" and "is turing complete" bridged.
mircea_popescu: you can't put a kernel in every single thing including the diff utility!
mircea_popescu: listen, if you say "diff should parse scheme" instead of "diff should be turing complete" people'd follow a lot easier.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i for instance judged that since you DON'T say the obvious, you specifically do not mean the obvious.
mircea_popescu: why'd i guess like when talking to 16yos on saturday night ?
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mircea_popescu: "The simplest way to generate a patch is to use ‘diff -Naur’ (see Tips for Patch Producers), but you might be able to reduce the size of the patch by renaming or removing some files before making the patch. If the older version of the package contains any files that the newer version does not, or if any files have been renamed between the two versions, make a list of rm and mv commands for the user to execute in th
mircea_popescu: e old version directory before applying the patch. Then run those commands yourself in the scratch directory."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49500 @ 0.00057 = 28.215 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: in truth the situation here is that we don't even know much of the stuff we need until we need it,
mircea_popescu: nor do we know the banal names of banal things until after we've made them, because unlike posterity, we don't have the advantage OF FUCKING SANE ANTECESSORS.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform complete solutions are rarely best solutions tho. too heavy.
mircea_popescu: there's been this weirdo trend of (mostly anglo) girls getting worried about their labia minora being "wrong", mostly on account of thgere being a LOT of natural variation on that score, and anglo chicks being all weird and insecure and sexually inexperienced. plus of course the crazed marketing society, that feeds into all of the above.
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polarbeard: re: my patches, I'm trying to keep an up to date version of them on my github trb repo, wouldn't mind submitting to the ml if somebody asks
polarbeard: because I'm marshalling per value type, not per hook type
polarbeard: I'm just encapsulating the functionality
polarbeard: this is not a vpatch, don't you see that?
polarbeard: so, what you're going to do with ts then?
polarbeard: I won't be adding unnecessary code to init.scm
polarbeard: I'll split the bug fixes into their own vpatches when the time comes
polarbeard: atm I just wanted to dump what I'm working for, to get constructive feedback
polarbeard: never, I'm not translating trb to scheme
polarbeard: so you embedded scheme for that reason?
polarbeard: yes, I'm not surprised that you have a different point of view, and I'm even pleased I think
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polarbeard: it works well, but still simple hooks because only a single callback may be registered per hook, not sure yet if there will be need for callback management
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 15:39:46; asciilifeform:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1411879 << imho this will have to be a thing that is solved in one Final Solution shot, with turing-complete diff. we can NOT have 1,001 incompatible hacked gnudiff variants floating around in attempted use, it is chaos and death by ants.
phf: dat patch, can take them to water, can't make them drink
jurov: asciilifeform: either it's 'can do all but X' or turing complete and thus with potentially unbounded runtime
jurov: also, you imply basically to expose all filesystem primitives to scheme, are they comprehensively and soundly defined?
jurov: i smell you'll eventually end with different presses in diff machines due to different filesystem semantics
jurov: who're you negrating now?
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 16:07:32; mircea_popescu: there's been this weirdo trend of (mostly anglo) girls getting worried about their labia minora being "wrong", mostly on account of thgere being a LOT of natural variation on that score, and anglo chicks being all weird and insecure and sexually inexperienced. plus of course the crazed marketing society, that feeds into all of the above.
jurov: while you slept, "modern" filesystem implementors deemed to fit to reorder operations to improve performance
phf: i recall riastradh making an srfi proposal for a minimum subset of filesystem operations. could just implement it for tinyscheme
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jurov: lol looky now i'm the one to predict crapocalypse
jurov: which fs is sane? which mount options?
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phf: added patch highlight to btcbase (got tired of trying to visually locate patches in the graph)
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mod6: so with that build script, i'm thinking just take out the curl & --verify of that stupid .sign file.
mod6: still will check the hash of the buildroot artifact.
mod6: gonna try that out locally here.
mod6: i guess, the other good news to that is you wont need to import that rando's guy's key into your keyring. still would need mine, alf & trinque's tho.
danielpbarron: oh mod6, with a fresh .bitcoin/ directory, your new thing seems to work fine
jurov: and assbot's stuff is swollen
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu's javascript also doesn't work in every browser
ben_vulpes: mod6: perhaps hard code the hashes from korsgaard's signature and verify those?
phf: ben_vulpes: they are like md5 and sha1
kakobrekla had a blast snowboarding the prime slopes of Dolomites region of Alps
mod6: i think this was actually discussed quite some time ago. i dont remember what the sentiment was exactly. but i think it was like "meh"
mod6: danielpbarron: ok thanks for the update
mod6: anyway, i guess i don't mind, i can add a part where we check the SHA1 & MD5 of the buildroot artifact and then continue to verify that .sign file.
phf: kakobrekla: i went camping in the Appalachian last weekend, -20c w/ winds, but it was awesome. i did just enough trash talking about russian blood to come down with a flu by thursday...
kakobrekla: meanwhile i was the only person in sauna yesterday evening
phf: as soon as i can move again, i'm going to make it to russian&turkish baths in nyc. they don't really do saunas on the east coast, but that baths place is awesome
☟︎ ben_vulpes: mod6: while there's no harm in checking the .sign, i don't know what it buys us
ben_vulpes: also that signature is disturbingly short
kakobrekla: really no saunas? whats the deal with that?
mod6: ben_vulpes: yeah, i dunno what the deal is with it, seems to not work exactly as expected.
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phf: i hnfi. these people do "spas", but the sauna part is typically a joke
mod6: im gonna look again at what happens with 1.4.19 & that sign file.
phf: there's literally 4 places in the entire virgnia-connecticut stretch. maybe there's something up in Massachusetts. there's "east european" places ran by russians but with a lot of turks, etc. and then there's korean baths. but koreans frown on cold plunges, so they would usually have a tepid shower/pool
kakobrekla: im fine with shower only as long as you can set the temp to whatever you want
phf: yeah, korean places are not bad, but i know only of one that caters specifically to koreans (i.e. good heat), a lot of them are western oriented so massage and facials and such
ben_vulpes: ha wow did the shitgnomes snip that mod6 ?
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mod6: in here there seem to be .sign files for the .tar.gz's, but they seem to have .gpg's for the tar.bz2's
mod6: im gonna take a look at that instead.
mod6: ooh... not for our version :(
mod6: guess that only started with the version /after/ our version 2015.05
mod6: oh nm, looks like those are only there for an RC version?
mod6: heh, these guys built this huge thing, but their sign files only have SHA1 & MD5, even the most recent 2016.02
mod6: im starting to think that our SHA512 sum of this artifact is better than whatever they've got.
ben_vulpes imagines stan's face shooped onto the manul
mod6: asciilifeform:this is the one that we're pulling
mod6: we expect this sha512:
mod6: c42fdd39cb2bc46804a86a7d7b2605bd3cd9ddcb365c4e5a1fb147eb02b234fc31a70c8140be2f4d27cd371c84e0c6701f8cb47697dd1c18dd0e0cce784aa07a
mod6: the md5 & sha1 match the sign file
ben_vulpes: c42fdd39cb2bc46804a86a7d7b2605bd3cd9ddcb365c4e5a1fb147eb02b234fc31a70c8140be2f4d27cd371c84e0c6701f8cb47697dd1c18dd0e0cce784aa07a
mod6: what we really aught to do is write to that guy, get him to join the wot with a 4096 bit RSA key, and have him resign all of the bundles.
mod6: or at least, just the one we're using.
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mod6: "Peter Korsgaard <jacmet@uclibc.org>"
ben_vulpes: it's just another thing in the way of wrapping this up, mod6 .
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform produced legacy hashes, they match the ones i have on disk and the ones you have right?
mod6: just thinking that hey, cant hurt anything to enlighten the guy that these hashes that he's signing, even up to this current month are obsolete.
mod6: SHA1 & MD5 are broken are they not?
mod6: anyway, an open line of comms to these folks could help us -- especially going forward as we basically might need to "roll our own" so that it doesn't pull the deps via rsync.
mod6: asciilifeform: not as far as i've seen.
ben_vulpes: my sha1 and md5 match those in k's .sign
mod6: so as far as the build-bitcoind-V99995.sh is concerned. let's just check that hash and call it a day then.
mod6: take a look, i've removed 3 lines: 1. in the comment section where it lists PK's key fingerprint at the top 2. the curl that pulls the sign file for buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz.sign 3. the gpg command that verifies buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz.sign
jurov: why do i keep getting such obscure stuff...
☟︎ mod6: c2ed1ccbb6769ada764b6d31e7a06873860c422109c4f8506cbda04402243c0534c9555f44f4c47071ebc3d6e3ece720b84de2940a2639381ef77652b34c3030
mod6: sha512 for build-bitcoind-V99995.sh is now ^^
mod6: jurov: do you mean `pwd' ?
jurov: basically, perl's fork() stopped working
mod6: what version of *nix & what version of perl
jurov: gentoo, perl 5.20.2
jurov: i updated glibc with the patch
mod6: pwd is used iirc in v.pl, but only in the contex of it being a shell out - your environment should execute this and return the result to a scalar.
mod6: fork() shoudn't even be a consideration here... im confused.
phf: yeesh, when shiva fails to read init.scm it kills the whole bitcoind there and then
jurov: mod6 `pwd` call subprocess
phf: Shiva: new session, connected from 127.0.0.1:49563
phf: libc++abi.dylib: terminating with uncaught exception of type std::runtime_error: Shiva: failed to read init file!
phf: run: line 4: 67621 Abort trap: 6
mod6: perl doesn't care about what subprocesses a unix command may or may not use tho.
jurov: asciilifeform: how do i list patches that went into glibc-2.22-r2 ?
mod6: it'd be like doing the same thing in a bash script: PWD=`pwd`; echo $PWD;
phf: oh i agree, it should kill, just not without prejudice
phf: (i.e. no reason to corrupt db in the process)
mod6: jurov: fwiw, i do a huge % of testing on a gentoo env with perl 5.20...
mod6: v5.20.2 for x86_64-linux
phf: well, init.scm is read on each connection, since there's no persistence
☟︎ jurov: mod6 well, on another box i updates glibc to same version and perl works fine
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mod6: so again, this is because somehow V thinks that your pwd is in / ?
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mod6: are you in / when executing V, by doing something like `/path/to/where/V/is/actually/located/v.pl`
mod6: because then your pwd would be /
mod6: and it'll look for .wot in /
jurov: mod6 noooo, pwd is external program. it failed to run it and returned nothing
jurov: and nothing + '/.wot' is...
mod6: ok, so pwd just fails as is.
mod6: what does `which pwd` tell you?
jurov: but don't mind, this is my private mess
mod6: im simply curious here, never seen a pwd fail before.
mod6: yeah, probably need to re-chroot or whatever it is with gentoo
mod6: asciilifeform or trinque have any thoughts for the man?
mod6: in other news jurov, im about to re-send the emails from yesterday
jurov: yay just recompiled perl without thread support, that did the trick
mod6: wait, now it works?!?!
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jurov: yes, both my perl and turdatron
mod6: lemme see if i get this. perl with thread support broke your entire gentoo?
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jurov: not entire. just occassional problems with perl scripts like v.pl and autotools
mod6: but i thought you said that `ls` and `pwd` didn't work, like in your shell. that shouldn't have anything to do with perl.
mod6: my mind is blown. these are C binaries.
jurov: but perl failed to execue them!
jurov: most perl scripts meddle with $SIG so they worked fine
mod6: but, say, normal use; you log in, you get a shell, you type `ls` and that would just work as expected right?
jurov: yes, everything worked. except perl -e "print system('ls') or die $!" returned just -1
mod6: then that makes a bit more sense.
mod6: maybe i should rewrite V in C
jurov: as i said, don't mind. it's my problem, i should not avoid dubious USE flags
mod6: well, someday maybe. still a dog with fleas.
shinohai: btw mod6 I have reproduced it again just fine this morning Deb 8 and Ubuntu 14.04
mod6: ah, ok good deal shinohai. I updated the script so that it doens't even pull that .sign file. we'll just rely on the sha512 that I hvae, alf has, and ben has.
mod6: the link is above if anyone wants to give it a try.
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 20:08:29; phf: well, init.scm is read on each connection, since there's no persistence
mod6: shinohai: ok cool! im running mine right now
mod6: im making a `typescript' of the output as well. will post later when its complete.
shinohai: Me too did u get my pm with the address to node stats?
mod6: ah, ya, haven't looked yet tho.
mod6: 9 connections, there soemthing i don't see everyday.
mod6: thanks for your help all. much appreciated.
mod6: so once we're happy with this build-script, etc. we cna update that wiki, then we're back in sync. then I can take some time to get the makefiles stuff all organized.
mod6: no super rush there.
mod6: just only was in a hurry to get back into sync.
mod6: jurov: glad you got it resolved tho. let us know how it goes for you.
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jurov: it did compile the bitcoind, the problem was intermittent
mod6: ok now to resend those emails...
ben_vulpes: > 9 connections << coracle currently serving 13 strangers
ben_vulpes: and in other nyooz of the weird and strange saga of ben_vulpes endeavoring to set up a reference implementation on his heathen macintosh, buildroot fails to compile in linux virtual machines of all sorts of flavors
phf: i have it running in a frowned upon state. cmake, llvm, clang
mod6: huh, yeah wouldn't have expected that
ben_vulpes: here's the last line, asciilifeform: x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl-gcc: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault (program cc1)
mod6: and this is a gentoo VM? or ubuntu?
ben_vulpes: mod6: under gentoo the vm simply gives up on life
ben_vulpes: mod6: under ubuntu 14.04 running make in buildroot exits as above
mod6: yeah, maybe alf has it
ben_vulpes: gcc (Gentoo 4.6.3 p1.13, pie-0.5.2) 4.6.3
phf: ben_vulpes: i'm building it from inside Clion, so i'm not sure how easy it is to do cmake otherwise, i can share the diff though
mod6: jurov: lol, those emails envetually went through!!!?!
ben_vulpes: is this perversion even worth running down?
mod6: glad i checked or they would have been in there 2x.
ben_vulpes: i figured this for more of a "half bottle of wine in a girl's butt" report. entertainment, not science.
mod6: yaaa, i recall this
jurov: mod6: what mail provides do you use? trying to resend email for 3 days is standard
ben_vulpes: to be frank, i have no idea how this gentoo image was even built in the first place.
ben_vulpes: no, 'twas some abortion pulled in via 'atlas', 'hashicorp'
phf: ben_vulpes: you brought this upon yourself :D
ben_vulpes: 'easy development environments for derpvelopers on macintosh!'
mod6: haha. also gives you the shits.
mod6: ugh. man. computers right?
jurov: butbutbut riced dumpsters!
phf: man, writing scheme is like trying to build an eiffel tower out of toothpicks
☟︎ phf: once i bootstrap entire cl you mean? (define-macro (destructuring-bind ...
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mircea_popescu: god help the man that takes a nap during republican times.
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 16:27:59; asciilifeform: it is an example of everything i stand against.
mircea_popescu: so the guy is more familiar with cpp, naturally wants to isolate the weird he's taking in and take it in at controlled rate.
mircea_popescu: won't be accepted in trb by any means, but i dun see anything wrong wiht the process.
mircea_popescu: eh it doesn't pull anything. think about it : it is a modest, quiet hope, specifically that shiva/b-a/trb is actually heavy enough that it may pull him.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing wrong with treating your baby as a chunk of bedrock, you know.
ben_vulpes: what even was the point of the schemehooks?
mircea_popescu: tied some ropes to it and pulling on them, technically yes "this pulls the earth the wrong way". practically, tis alpinism.
ben_vulpes: these are the original hooks? i misread
phf: asciilifeform: he's asking about SchemeHook from polarbeard's patch
jurov: at least he has he stethoscope on
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 16:49:27; asciilifeform: hence turingcompletevtron.
mircea_popescu: what [i believe] you have in mind when ytou say "tc" in thsi context is pointedly not what most anyone reading it would expect it to mean.
mircea_popescu: in that it's "turing complete in a purely theoretical sense and with none of the practical overhead a practical implementation would imply except in those cases where it is clearly and truly needed".
jurov: ^yes i was hinting at this too
mircea_popescu: in this sense cunt is turing complete, it can express all proteins.
phf: i think the idea is to have a slightly more constrained awk. patchmachine takes string, manipulates it, returns new string
jurov: no the ide was patchmachine takes *filesystem* and ditto
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what other than regexp do you hate in awk ? and being gnucpp, of course.\
jurov: lol first me tormenting alf with ed, now they awk
mircea_popescu: ok, you know, say that! "i want a homoiconic thing with lambda", rather than "tc"
mircea_popescu: which is what the first pass of this convo actually exactly was, iirc.
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 15:48:49; mircea_popescu: listen, if you say "diff should parse scheme" instead of "diff should be turing complete" people'd follow a lot easier.
mircea_popescu: which is why one'd expect a lot more alma matering of stuff like polarbeard's.
mircea_popescu: he's bound to run into a shitton of resistance of the medium in short order with that thing.
jurov: maybe we'll end up with vtron that actually allow to implement source code parser inside vpatches so that it computes checksums for every function
jurov: and the graph will be made from these checksums
jurov: so that descendants will list code snippets the actually depend on
jurov: instead of whole files
jurov: someone inewitably will try it anyway. and i wish to see your face upon seeing vpatch with embedded cpptron
phf: vpatch generating mandelbrots
mircea_popescu: jurov> someone inewitably will try it anyway. and i wish to see your face upon seeing vpatch with embedded cpptron <<< abhahaha win
jurov: actually, that's logical conclusion of what you want. instead of "teh stupid +++ --- stuff" make c++ parser, apply a transform and generate code
jurov: arbitrary text transformations like you dream of do not fit in head
jurov: then it couild also parse c++
jurov: it's arbitrary text transformation, too
mircea_popescu: "arbitrary text transformations" but only between these two sets we carefully curated.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now stop calling it "tc" and confusing people. concept needs a new name.
mircea_popescu: this is like saying "i want a whaleoctopusdeerkitten" because you dunno how to say girlfriend
ben_vulpes: i read 'tc' in the sense of 'can express arbitrary actions', in the vein of the old joke about programming in $shitlang: "hey, it's turing complete, we can make it do whatever we need"
mircea_popescu: is it supposed to say "stolen plutonium dick" ? possibly only better thing.
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 16:54:08; asciilifeform: we have finessed the halting problem !1111
mircea_popescu: i mean to convey my surprise and giddy excitement as to how it's not wrong.
Jacmet: mircea_popescu: got a mail that you guys were doing something with Buildroot and if I could join?
mircea_popescu: we are : it's become the replacement harness for bitcoin.
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mircea_popescu: and buildroot with musl prevented us from bathing in the same humiliation EVERYONE else ended up in with the recent gethostbyaddr thing
Jacmet: mircea_popescu: ahh, interesting
Jacmet: mircea_popescu: and buildroot is working out of you or do you have some kind of problems?
ben_vulpes: Jacmet: buildroot is working rather niftily.
Jacmet: and yes, the current gpg key used for buildroot signing is getting quite old
mircea_popescu: that would be the one problem - the thing is a very valuable security asset, should be better protected.
mircea_popescu: make a 4kb key and use it rather than the strange md5 lists or what's that.
Jacmet: mircea_popescu: true. I'll get the new key cross signed by the other devs at our next dev days and start using it
Jacmet: asciilifeform: really? We never had reports on the ml or on irc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform where was the line/dpaste ? dja recall ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5413 @ 0.00057355 = 3.1046 BTC [+]
Jacmet: asciilifeform: what was the difference between the bad/good tarball? Real rogue code or just interrupted download?
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 18:56:36; kakobrekla: logs tell me no one missed me, great :)
Jacmet: asciilifeform: ok, I would be *VERY* interested in comparing them
mircea_popescu: and in unrelated news, do you take bitcoin donations Jacmet ?
Jacmet: mircea_popescu: I guess we could, but it has never come up so far
mircea_popescu: so get that sane key made, reg it and sign an address, i'll send you a coin.
Jacmet: mircea_popescu: we're currently setting up a non profit organization around buildroot
mircea_popescu: that's a horrible idea if the wya such things work out in practice is any guide.
mircea_popescu: pick a strong leader in the form of a person, build your thing atop pgp sigs and forget the nonsense fiat.
Jacmet: mircea_popescu: we already have that (me ;)
mircea_popescu: x.org just recently lost their only asset because of inept "non profit" shenanigans.
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mod6: Jacmet: thanks for stopping in.
ben_vulpes: Jacmet: another thing worth pointing out are that sha1 and md5 are obsolete
Jacmet: ben_vulpes: yes, the key is from 2009 or so, where those were the defaults
ben_vulpes: whats the connection between key and file hash algos?
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2016 16:36:23; asciilifeform: now the other thing about openbsd is the incident with theo and that microshit flunkie
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> make a 4kb key and use it rather than the strange md5 lists or what's that. << RSA too.
assbot: Logged on 02-12-2015 04:13:47; BingoBoingo: "On a personal "hate ramen noodles and tuna" level, I agree. But my good-for-project-good-for-the-world side says the OpenBSD Foundation is more effective at growing the contribution pie and in particular funding the hackathons where great work happens." - Theo De Raadt
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phf: asciilifeform: ah, sorry i did a rename
phf: while early in the game, stable, experimental, uploads and deprecated
phf: actually i don't know how to call them..
mircea_popescu: Jacmet give a looksee at how buildroot is currently used
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Jacmet: mod6: thanks. Any specific reason you guys are still on 2015.05?
Jacmet: mod6: and why the manual download of openssl/db/boost instead of just letting Buildroot do it?
mod6: np. well, we've been working for quite a while now to get all of this tooling setup the way we need it. we haven't had a reason to move forward with the version.
Jacmet: asciilifeform: newer and shinier ;)
mircea_popescu: Jacmet tmsr doth not believe in upgrades. on the contrary, the versions here count towards 0.
Jacmet: asciilifeform: E.G. updated openssl, there's been some security fixes since 1.0.1g
mod6: <+Jacmet> mod6: and why the manual download of openssl/db/boost instead of just letting Buildroot do it? << actually, one thing I think we're considering is doing a modification to buildroot so that we don't pull its deps over the wan via rsync. is there a way, currently, to just place all of its deps somewhere so it won't rsync?
Jacmet: mod6: yes, the download infrastructure in buildroot will only download if the tarball isn't already available in the dl dir, or you can point it to a local mirror
phf: Jacmet: bitcoind uses openssl for low level crypto operations, not actual client facing stuff
mod6: Jacmet: oh fantastic, glad i asked.
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mod6: i was sweating that we were going to have to 'roll our own'.
mircea_popescu: moreover, it's marked for replacement. just, iffy thing to replace, the crypto lib.
mod6: Ok Gentlemen, I've gotta run for a few here. Jacmet: Thanks again for stopping in. When you're ready with your new key, stop on back and we'll help you get setup in the WoT. Cheers!
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polarbeard: mircea_popescu: so no love for da hooks? :) actually I'm not confortable at all using cpp...
polarbeard: my daily work involves the rightfully hated javascript
polarbeard: but I usually prefer expressive non-bullshit languages
mircea_popescu: i would suspect as far as alf is concerned, javascript is cpp.
phf: oh, is that some other bathhouse in nyc?
phf: aah, i'll ask him when he's around, but that's west coast. they have great saunas there
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phf: fwiw cascade range has a bunch of fantastic hot spring places. there's one next to Seattle, one next to portland, i mean of the the ones i've been too. but there's also numerous holes of course
phf: in fact i'm going to breitenbush two weeks from now, in the ben_vulpes area
mircea_popescu is not terribly fond of hot springs, for some reason they attract old folks.
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 20:02:18; jurov: why do i keep getting such obscure stuff...
phf: i used to do the whole 30 minute run through winter forest for a cold plunge in прорубь thing growing up, so i like hotsprings in winter. you get a pretty reasonable crowd around this time too, no idea how it is in summer
mircea_popescu: sounds like perhaps an actual buffer hole or something.
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assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 20:19:18; jurov: even system('ls') fails
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 20:52:04; phf: man, writing scheme is like trying to build an eiffel tower out of toothpicks
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ben_vulpes: phf: popular place with the ru folk in the area
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gernika: phf: Had a terrible vegetarian thanksgiving dinner at Breitenbush. I did see a naked woman there though, as a teenager.
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