mircea_popescu: well, the reason'd be that i think it's inconsequential nonsense. marx, ziggler, joseph smith, whatever ustarded self-help authors are broadly speaking irrelevant in any conversation.

mircea_popescu: incidentally, apropos de nothing : Jean van Heijenoort is an interesting character, not because of his youthful association with one of the inconsequential marx-zigglers burlesque and slapstick acts of the early 20th century, but because of his later life as a historian of what could only properly be called "the end of nations as an intellectual construct".

mircea_popescu: "cultural marxism", right ? vince mcmahon, right up there, and EXACTLY AS MUCH as all the other zigglers, marxes, billy mays, engleses and whatnots of ye olde stupiditarian tradition.

mircea_popescu: in any case i find the web 2.0 ish approach intellectually repugnant ; if i'm to explain why one "feels his arms pulled" when spinning under the moon, perhaps i'll be next held to explain why the same one doesn't "feel" the normal pressure in his bladder, or the heliocentric nature of the solar system in his horse's clavicle. let einstein, ziggler, marx, godin and friends answer this nonsense ; anil dash stands ready to angri

mircea_popescu: anyway, i think proposing goebbels is a sort of ziggler-skinner is dismissive to the man.

mircea_popescu: anyway, it's funny how englischer "german school" goes kant-schopenhauer-karlziggler-hegel"ians"-nietsche-clinton.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i watched last night "fun with dick and jane", which is a fine throwaway. other than tea leoni making a way the fuck better applegate/bancroft/whatever (these typically ustardian huswife of businessman roles, where businessman is one of those schmucks doing nothing, "vp of ziggler-engels" sorta thyings). but the interestinfg part is : the guy gets a promotion. the signalling signs of this promotion are, that they

mircea_popescu: i similarily always end up with marx ziggler stuff when looking for socialist related docs.

mircea_popescu wonders vaguely what'll happen once one of these karl zigglers (hey, they contribute to sales! everyone else - to costs!) sits still long enough to get to transfinite ordinals in his math textbook.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474482 << and what else, zig ziggler invented marketing ? stupidity is perennial, and not really worthy of nominal exercises. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: anyway, the trick of pretending one's own flavour of state is "merely human nature" is, i suppose, pretty effectual. also quite old, karl ziggler / friedrich carnegey did it too!

mircea_popescu: (the "peace movement"/"modern democracy" flavour puts the political one first, and is the more fashionable today. communism puts the economical first, as per ziggler & co. used to be most fashionable)

mircea_popescu: isn't he yet another marx/ziggler/barnum/whatever ?

mircea_popescu: nobody ultimately cares what zig ziggler, karl marx or dale carnegey think.

mircea_popescu: soon enough they'll have enough mana stored up to resurect zig ziggler

mircea_popescu: moreso than for their parents, trying to do the same out of marx, ziggler, carnegey and whatever other fitness trainers and pop-philosophers the almanacs would print.

mircea_popescu: the entire field is essentially predicating that marx,cCarnagey, ziggler, the incredible hulk et al are actually scientists, or to be taken seriously.

mircea_popescu: in a security environment, security is auditable provided the comittment to security is not compromised in order to listen to some ziggler impersonator.