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: ftr i do hope it can be made to work on folx who never read frege
: that is always frege
. or w/e, spinoza if you prefer, or so on. a whiole school of lens polishers.
: in that sense yea. ffa however is not frege
, it is moar al-kwarizmus
: you understand, in frege
's day "inquiries into the nature of numbers" were VERY uninteresting to kids in teh gymnasium
: but yes -- russian translations of kant, fichte, heidegger, husserl, spinoza, frege
absolutely acceptable ; heck, even ro ones are fine. french is getting iffy.
: but i would have thrown frege
against a wall had he "impossible" something i oculd trivially disprove.
: and while he's incapacitated, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-21#1587343
<< to briefly revisit the whole "greeks were actually smarter than you" thread : naive set theory (as expoused by, say, frege
) runs into a problem known as russel's paradox : should the set of sets that don't include themselves include itself ? ☝︎
: note, strawson, frege
would say that the king of france *expression* fails to provide a *(logical) proposition*. i.e., it does not have one. imho this is a valid thought, i.e. the matter is not 100% clear.
wonders how "let's axiomatize from set theory, frege
/russell style" would go for 1st year students tho :p
: i wonder, maybe some of frege
's stuff can be read in english in 'relative' (i'm naive yes) safety. for example his foundations of Arithmetic
: anyway, frege
's own example is much better than the latter retellings in english. he used der Abendstern and der Morgenstern.
: mircea_popescu didntcha do peano, frege
, et al? how did you manage with 26 letters ?
: asciilifeform in fairness, math is an AWFUL example for this matter. because, well, in honesty a "simple" notion such as the notion of a number is still patently ununderstood by the species altogether. and for that matter minimal effort to even comprehend it starts with what, frege
? a coupla centuries ago ?
: decimation not even what i had in mind. i think i ruined someone's life with frege
earlier in the logs.
: everyone with this pedestrian "oh magic derp". who the fuck of all these would be scientists actually understands, not in the sense of has-read-frege
-and-so-on, but in the sense of has sat down an hour quietly to think on the subject - who i say understands numbers ?
: pretty much all the germans, once one's old enough. frege
. husserls. kant. heidegger