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asciilifeform: ftr i do hope it can be made to work on folx who never read frege.
mircea_popescu: that is always frege. or w/e, spinoza if you prefer, or so on. a whiole school of lens polishers.
mircea_popescu: no, it is very much frege.
asciilifeform: in that sense yea. ffa however is not frege, it is moar al-kwarizmus
mircea_popescu: you understand, in frege's day "inquiries into the nature of numbers" were VERY uninteresting to kids in teh gymnasium
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766213 << d00d freely conversed in the langs of europe, had classical education, read his frege, etc and was no more 'neet' than e.g. mircea_popescu , socrates, et al ☝︎
asciilifeform found eng frege ~inedible
mircea_popescu: but yes -- russian translations of kant, fichte, heidegger, husserl, spinoza, frege absolutely acceptable ; heck, even ro ones are fine. french is getting iffy.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765023 << sadly, not in this language. but otherwise, the german school is the canonical introduction ; read ye yer kant, then proceed to http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=frege (not the other fucking way around ; english is a liability to the thinking man, and the latter's accessibility a burden). ☝︎
mircea_popescu: which is why i read frege, and i don't read obama.
mircea_popescu: but i would have thrown frege against a wall had he "impossible" something i oculd trivially disprove.
mircea_popescu: and while he's incapacitated, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-21#1587343 << to briefly revisit the whole "greeks were actually smarter than you" thread : naive set theory (as expoused by, say, frege) runs into a problem known as russel's paradox : should the set of sets that don't include themselves include itself ? ☝︎
Framedragger: note, strawson, frege would say that the king of france *expression* fails to provide a *(logical) proposition*. i.e., it does not have one. imho this is a valid thought, i.e. the matter is not 100% clear.
Framedragger wonders how "let's axiomatize from set theory, frege/russell style" would go for 1st year students tho :p
Framedragger: i wonder, maybe some of frege's stuff can be read in english in 'relative' (i'm naive yes) safety. for example his foundations of Arithmetic
mircea_popescu: anyway, frege's own example is much better than the latter retellings in english. he used der Abendstern and der Morgenstern.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu didntcha do peano, frege, et al? how did you manage with 26 letters ?
asciilifeform: frege, peano, church, et al.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in fairness, math is an AWFUL example for this matter. because, well, in honesty a "simple" notion such as the notion of a number is still patently ununderstood by the species altogether. and for that matter minimal effort to even comprehend it starts with what, frege ? a coupla centuries ago ?
decimation: he was a contemporary of frege
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mircea_popescu: ;;google hollywood frege
asciilifeform: which other frege.
mircea_popescu: yes. frege. gottlob "fuck you and count" frege.
asciilifeform: frege!
mircea_popescu: decimation not even what i had in mind. i think i ruined someone's life with frege earlier in the logs.
mp_colonist: everyone with this pedestrian "oh magic derp". who the fuck of all these would be scientists actually understands, not in the sense of has-read-frege-and-so-on, but in the sense of has sat down an hour quietly to think on the subject - who i say understands numbers ?
mircea_popescu: pretty much all the germans, once one's old enough. frege. husserls. kant. heidegger