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adlai: asciilifeform: "port" in the loose sense of the word. let's rephrase that as "some poor code monkey should write a keccak vpatch for
trb, but nobody should ever have to use it"
adlai: but i don't think
trb should initiate a fork.
adlai: mircea_popescu: hmmm. ok, this is a valid question, my answer to which is: port Luke-Jr's keccak reset from "classic" to
trb, and be ready to activate it, should a fork occur.
mircea_popescu: adlai wouldja think for a moment ? if miners fork tomorrow, pre-miner-fork
trb will not be defensible. because bitfury (you know, kakobrekla's friends) have access to vc capital, and will bridge the gap between us printing press and chinese mining.
solrodar: I did the
trb call graphing work last year
polarbeard: sup
trb, any development going on since my patches got fired? B)
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 gentoo
trb v99995 was a success
trinque: I have
trb dev time today. it does not address the point made about education and its function in a culture
mircea_popescu: so basically you propose - wait and see on
trb, meanwhile i'll also develop a fork variant which i won't either share or have ready in time ?
mircea_popescu: so in this sense, "
trb as is only" opens us up to being forced, later on, to pick among the idiots.
mircea_popescu: there is a very specific danger which you perhaps are not seeing. if indeed we continu with
trb as is, and if indeed 3) happens, as these two share pow and we don't control .7 or so exahash we become extremelty vulnerable. recall the fate of altcoin ?
mircea_popescu: but you should note, that there is no good reason to consider current
trb so much different from cases 1-3.
mircea_popescu: in any case
trb isn't going anywhere, nor need it go anywhere.
mircea_popescu: at this juncture, tmsr must make the decision if it will continue strictly with
trb, or ALSO offer a tmsr fork of
trb.
jurov: i was thinking about it as potential learning practice for
trb... but such things would make alf shit girder beams
assbot: Logged on 10-03-2016 12:41:33; asciilifeform: i was willing to deal with the cpp miseryu of
trb because 1) it pre-dates bitcoin being valuable 2) it was - and remains - the schelling point, 'father's pistols'
danielpbarron: how much do you need for this year off to build sane
trb ? maybe we can crowdfund it
assbot: Logged on 10-03-2016 10:43:06; mircea_popescu: in other news - it still remains likely that this summer will see a bevy of various hardforks on offer. practically speaking,
trb can offer either its own candidate, which takes a lot of work, or else sit tight and we'll follow the more intelligent of the avaialble offerings, which takes less work but also implies a lot of risk - experience to date shows that there's precious little intelligence avai
shinohai: I will use
trb as long as it works on the overall network, failing that I will have to find something else to occupy my time.
assbot: Logged on 10-03-2016 10:43:06; mircea_popescu: in other news - it still remains likely that this summer will see a bevy of various hardforks on offer. practically speaking,
trb can offer either its own candidate, which takes a lot of work, or else sit tight and we'll follow the more intelligent of the avaialble offerings, which takes less work but also implies a lot of risk - experience to date shows that there's precious little intelligence avai
mircea_popescu: in other news - it still remains likely that this summer will see a bevy of various hardforks on offer. practically speaking,
trb can offer either its own candidate, which takes a lot of work, or else sit tight and we'll follow the more intelligent of the avaialble offerings, which takes less work but also implies a lot of risk - experience to date shows that there's precious little intelligence available outside the w
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: trinque> rather than dissect it, I wish to stop using the wallet entirely (as I did before with btcd) and just write a sendrawtxn for shiva <<< a raw tx manipulator for
trb is prolly a very useful item, really.
PeterL: so, as I have been watching my
trb node sync the past three months (am I the only person who thinks this takes way too long?) it seems like it spends alot of time trying to connect to nodes and timing out?
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2016 02:24:16; nubbins`: speak now if you believe a lord that has contributed
TRB patches, who owns the second-largest s.mg stock warrant, who trades in the only physical collectibles that are priced solely in BTC, who pays the bill for eulora.org, who is the republic's de facto minister of letters awaiting with bated quill the whittling-down of a codebase fit to publish, should be stripped of his title; speak your treason now, th
nubbins`: or mod6, by all accounts a great guy, head of
TRB, almost quit in the first week because he couldn't get a gentoo install up and running.
PeterL: if
trb sees A1 and A2, which does it keep?
PeterL: does
trb do replace by fee?
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 15:38:44; dooglus: oh, I was also wondering - is it normal that the
trb build process downloads and builds the linux kernel?
nubbins`: dooglus: are you saying that
trb nodes are eventually ignored by core nodes simply due to
trb passing enormously large messages?
dooglus: oh, I was also wondering - is it normal that the
trb build process downloads and builds the linux kernel?
☟︎ assbot: Successfully added a rating of 2 for dooglus with note: ran one of the best dice sites of all times, before being torpedoed by fiat government posturing.
trb testing.
mircea_popescu: !rate dooglus 2 ran one of the best dice sites of all times, before being torpedoed by fiat government posturing.
trb testing.
dooglus: core doesn't like messages bigger than 2MB, and
trb sends ~7MB messages
dooglus: I was looking at
trb, and trying to sync it from my bitcoin core node
shinohai: Not a lord here, but I have a lot of time invested in
trb and I agree with danielpbarron.
nubbins`: FTR i've been teaching myself hardcover bookbinding and
TRB.book would have been gorgeous
shinohai: Well Gentleman, I have certainly enjoyed working with you all on
trb from the past ~1 year nonetheless.
mircea_popescu: what do you expect changed with
trb ? you weren't doing it to get rich, were you ? you weren't doing it for redditettes to throw their panties at you, were you ?
mircea_popescu: note that my interest in computers is, these days, ~strictly predicated on
trb.
mod6: is there anything in anyones opinion that the foundation could do with
trb to move past this problem?
shinohai: without
trb, Bitcoin is basically useless. To me anyway.
BingoBoingo: mod6: Well, work on a
trb with a new genesis block could be an interesting skeleton for altcoin. It opens the door to flensing far deeper.
mircea_popescu: mod6 your call to make, together with ben_vulpes i guess - the point remains, if no
trb offering in july, no
trb offering in july.
mod6: if this is all correct, then i agree with alf. there is no reason to continue work on
trb - we should suspend, indefinately, all efforts therein. At least until somehow we have a re-write that resolves these issues.
BingoBoingo: I mean the vacation that lets you afford other vacations. You know the one where you sit in a cabin to make
trb fork. Not full adacoin, but the possibility of adacoin.
mircea_popescu: i suppose IF the july many-fork time comes and
trb has nothing to offer then it might as well close.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ideally
trb will at that time be ready to propose one of its own.
gernika: I finally have a fully synced
trb node, after starting on the project almost a year ago.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if you're curious, what
trb is contemplating to eventually do is a ring buffer with a per-kb fee only as the criteria.
shinohai: Seinfeld plays happily in the background as i do
trb work.
trinque: never a bad thing to have a weekly cron which stops
trb gently, rsync's blockchain elsewhere, restarts
shinohai: I am cursing bitcoin today - had my first
trb database crash ... evidently I did not back up *everything* required and must now start my first node from scratch.
mircea_popescu: i distinctly recal
trb nearly sunk in the other incident, while mpb provided the magic constants. why was that ?
mircea_popescu: which aren't, at the present time,
trb-tethered. it's a goal, but into the future.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla> one thing that goes through my mind is that
trb/mps << this is true, but let me clarify that An set of txn were broadcast through a set of > 1k distinct peers. most of which i don't regard as peers in any sense, but nevertheless they did get to hear about them from my own nodes.
kakobrekla: one thing that goes through my mind is that
trb/mps infrastructure is on the border of 'consensus' behavior of most nodes. this makes it more susceptible to odd/unwanted shit happening.
punkman: so one thing that hasn't been mentioned, does
trb even replace transactions when new one comes in with higher fee?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla and guess what -
trb gets blackholed now and again. prb never mattered.
kakobrekla: even different
trb build do different stuff.
kakobrekla: there isnt one.
trb behaves differently than prb if nothing else.
kakobrekla: its possible you are connected to a node pocket -
trb do not like non-
trb nodeas (ban hammer) so they are only left connected (mostly) to
trb, not prb which you need if you want the world to see your txes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was tempted throughout eulora lifetime to go "fu, no binaries, compile, always". and i can still contemplate why this would be the case with
trb.
BingoBoingo: Dropped in low-s a month or two (mebbe 3) before
trb, has -minrelaytx flag, from
trb orphanage slaughters and malleus were definitely implemented. Other things but would take reading to recall them.
BingoBoingo: I have a partially
trb-icized 7 series in the name of implementation pluralism. No earthly idea what all changes happened.
assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 20:19:25; asciilifeform: anyone ever build a working
trb on openbsd ?