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lobbesbot: phf: Sent 2 hours ago: <asciilifeform> fughet for nao about http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-01#1899897 , but wouldja pleez fix vdiff ? and tell us what sorta swamp yer stuck in, what wouldja need to get to surface ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: currently hands full restarting ffa conveyor; however will be ordering irons in next 2 wks, and scheduling flight when the items with least predictable shipment windows are in hand
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, yes, vdiff on the 2 genesis.vpatch files overflows the stack; while on same machine and same files, diff seems to have no such trouble
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-10#1901107 << 2^512 bits weigh approx what galaxy weighs, try it ☝︎
mircea_popescu: this is the fucking problem of socialism, when that wanna-be alt-hilary stupid cow asks "if the government can print money to rescue wall street, why won't it print money to let the chitlins enjoy the college lifestyle free of charge (and permanently!)" she has a fucking point -- and the entirely similar stup ☝︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: neato, i once spent half a summer in 'heroes 2' also
mircea_popescu: should show the parent. basically, the way this whole thing works is as follows : 1. linux is organized around "processes", which are a sort of agents let's say. they're listed in /proc/ ; 2. any process can spawn other processes, the whole menagerie's spawned by the kernel (which in systemd thing is also process 1, hence the whole http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863880 thing ). 3. a process can close, or be terminated, ki ☝︎
hanbot: mount from util-linux 2.22.1 (libmount 2.22.0: debug)
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/angels-with-dirty-faces-2/ << Trilema -- Angels with Dirty Faces
asciilifeform: this so, but there's also cost to ~not~ buying $tool. for instance asciilifeform passed up in decade 2 chances to get electron microscope. and may end up paying moar, for having so.
mircea_popescu: if the tree is (evaluate object) (decide if buying object) (deal with the fallout of buying object) you can't possibly spend 300ms alftime on 1, 190s alftime on 2 and 168`000`000 s altfime on 3. it's just insane.
asciilifeform: currently worse than this , dun even have horse but 1024 harnessed centipedes. 1-2 usably large blocks of time per mo, and at ~rando
mircea_popescu: as to a) : 1. you see an item for sale, for price X. 2. you don't even bother to calculate the expected-average-X, i suspect, but merely "intuit" it, without even a full second's thought. 3. you calculate X-imagined-avg-X thus obtaining a delta, which then motivates you to purchase, and in the process ALSO commits you.
asciilifeform prolly ought to cut 17 in 2
mircea_popescu: what you do is what every other similar idiot did since the invention of empire : keep balooning your debts, "yes i'm late with instalment 1 but instalment 2 will be 3x as big! [and also, of course, late]"
mircea_popescu: but this entire "i work job!!!" thing's also a red herring. looky how your life flows : 1. your company needs some cash on a regular, predictable, and known in advance basis. 2. for convenience's sake i undertake a quarters' worth or so of this. 3. you turn around and buy, exactly like the people of walmart, a piece of hardware. on fucking impulse, there was ~no need for it~ and further, ~no time to use it~. but you wanted th
mircea_popescu: basically, i think i can authoritatively say, on the basis of having been trying to manage your efforts in the past however many years nsa existed, your approach to work is as follows : 1. there's an indistinct and unspecified ball of things you deduced you want on the basis of them being more or less connected to a core of goodness which, not necessarily very examinedly, seems to yield them as first degree relations. 2. you
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there are now 2 standard matchstick designs -- 'condo' ( as in mircea_popescu's link ) and 'townhouse' ( same matchstick, same layout, slightly moar space )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, there's some 2 bedroom apartments here with the same square metrage as the habitation module which is close to the same footprint as the asciilifeform/ben_vulpes hotel room.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-05 20:11 asciilifeform: relatedly, i recently hung up a 'premium, high end' corkboard, several square metres, and it turns out that 1) maybe half the depth is actual cork, the rest -- cardboard 2) no other kind is available
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: replied^2.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you're polishing the wrong end of the spear. with 0 experience it's impossible to meaningfully improve this "payload". make two even if they're made throwing darts ; a/b rtest them ; pick one, make a.1 / a.2 in response whichever you picked, test those, and so following.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-30 18:26 asciilifeform: perma-mirrored at http://www.loper-os.org/pub/amberglint_bolix_1.jpg http://www.loper-os.org/pub/amberglint_bolix_2.jpg , ty
asciilifeform: it aint film rot, took 2 shots and were ~identical.
diana_coman will be back in ~2 hours
diana_coman: the difference was big only on the 2-cores intel but then again, what tasks there anyway
asciilifeform: i dun recall whether i put this in the log, but asciilifeform found that if proggy does not use tasks, the 2 variants appear to build identical binary
asciilifeform: aha, is what the dentists do. i'ma gild that lily when it turns out to need gilding tho, so far can already clearly distinguish 2 layers of pcb.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 19:56 asciilifeform: phf: and wasn't 'week ago', but year + 3mo ago, when i took delivery of the 2 raw ivories.
a111: 2 results for "viermi neadormiti", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=viermi%20neadormiti
mircea_popescu: that old http://trilema.com/2014/in-which-you-become-grain/ discussion is not an idle consideration. this is the fundamental structure of everything, from baltimore gangland, where the police shoots the 20-gun tribes to make room for a dozen 2-gun tribes, to whatever you pick, "Merchandise scores in the theme park stores" and Disney is the king of the hill.
mircea_popescu: haha, so then, scheme in iron, in 2 weeks ?
deedbot: diana_coman updated rating of spyked from 2 to 3 << met irl; writes at http://thetarpit.org/
mircea_popescu: it's like 2-300 ppm if memory serves.
mircea_popescu: "Somebody needs to fork gcc at the last GPLv2 release (4.2.2 I think, need to check) and maintain that, because the FSF has gone totally around the bend and the community shouldn't depend on it anymore." << check that lulz.
asciilifeform: 'November 2, 2008 Cross compiling gcc's c++ support doesn't work because even though I'm saying --enable-threads=posix the various subdirectories are trying to run the compiler it built to grep out the "Thread model: " line to set the config entry target_thread_file (which gets used to set glibcxx_thread_h, which is breaking) and you CAN'T RUN IT WHEN WE'RE CROSS COMPILING YOU TWIT!'
asciilifeform: dunno. i only ever heard of 2, robert elder and younger
mircea_popescu: n Ubuntu 8.10, which eventually turned out to be that gcc 4.3 is miscompiling Python 2.5... Eventually my cell phone battery died from all the calls." << how about this.
asciilifeform: 'The 2.6.28 merge window is open, and I'm coming up with a third perl removal patch. ' << watever happened to this ?
asciilifeform: http://archive.is/Jt2js#selection-215.0-219.29 << lulgem from same : 'Perl is back in the 2.6.28 kernel, once again due to H. Peter Anvin. Sigh.'
mircea_popescu: GIMP 2.6.8 Copyright © 1995-2008
asciilifeform: ( sect. 2.1 in linked doc )
asciilifeform: ok this didn't take long... claims to 'bootstrap from 500 byte assembler', in opening page, but then : 'GNU Guile, version 2.0.13 or later, including 2.2.x; GNU Make. NYACC, 0.86.0 is known to work. GCC’s gcc, version 2.95.3 or later.'
a111: Logged on 2019-02-20 16:08 asciilifeform: various folx attempted something roughly like this, but succumbed to own idiocy -- e.g. the java people, who 1) wrapped their 'vm' around the nonsensical shape of their tardlang 2) stopped short of 'and no this doesn't run on your tard os, is IS the os, fuckyou' ;
asciilifeform: hanbot: v.py actually exists in modern ( keccakistic ) incarnation -- there's 2 variants, largely identical , diana_coman's (the 1 i use now) and phf's (he had some incompatibility in his python iirc which required own variant)
asciilifeform: could fit a million or 2 of'em on 1 die, with modest density.
asciilifeform: ( tho i last looked 5 or so yr ago. thing was self-building , and could build 2.x kernels in coupla sec )
mircea_popescu: however, consider situation 1, where "it is in emulator" and situation 2, where "it is in this one tmsr standards library".
a111: Logged on 2019-02-20 16:08 asciilifeform: various folx attempted something roughly like this, but succumbed to own idiocy -- e.g. the java people, who 1) wrapped their 'vm' around the nonsensical shape of their tardlang 2) stopped short of 'and no this doesn't run on your tard os, is IS the os, fuckyou' ;
asciilifeform: various folx attempted something roughly like this, but succumbed to own idiocy -- e.g. the java people, who 1) wrapped their 'vm' around the nonsensical shape of their tardlang 2) stopped short of 'and no this doesn't run on your tard os, is IS the os, fuckyou' ; ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: recall, thrd where 'is it possible to make a bag of rngola that 1) exists in 2 copies 2) cannot be quickly read in transit to destination'
asciilifeform: and in apu -- 2. but apu still cleans its clock for most processes, oddly enuff (tho not by large margin)
a111: Logged on 2019-01-15 15:32 asciilifeform: it is also time to speak of the next crate. and the customary four cargo slots. 1 is to contain a replacement for uy1 ( and ideally will run cuntoo . ) 1 will contain a 1u that holds rk's. this gives 2 1u slots remaining, they can be occupied by colo passengers, if these stand up and wish to ride , or pizarro irons, at BingoBoingo's option.
asciilifeform: notyetwunderbar, still gotta 1) sjlj 2) try test w/ naked one and see if pill even necessary
a111: Logged on 2019-02-18 03:18 asciilifeform set up a rebuild of ave1 gnat (june) on dulap, with http://bvt-trace.net/2019/02/gnat-zero-cost-exceptions-and-asynchronous-task-aborting-part-2/comment-page-1/#selection-163.2-167.52 . tomorrow will see what came out of this.
asciilifeform set up a rebuild of ave1 gnat (june) on dulap, with http://bvt-trace.net/2019/02/gnat-zero-cost-exceptions-and-asynchronous-task-aborting-part-2/comment-page-1/#selection-163.2-167.52 . tomorrow will see what came out of this. ☟︎
asciilifeform: 2) bolix's
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i'm still curious what mircea_popescu thinks of as 'ada machine' << 128 bit MIPS 1, 2, 8, or 72 cores at 800, 1600, or 3200 mhz when purpose backed. Otherwise 128 bit for the UCI address space.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but it's not you who has to see, maybe someone sees, what. im certainly not sending you to e.2
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform current one prolly v49, note how gcc went from 5 to 8 in 2 years.
mircea_popescu: e. something else (among which possible e.1. someone reads and implements dwarf properly ; e.2. someone picks a glibc to grandfather and dedicates himself to cleaning and fixing.)
mircea_popescu: a. we make no standard, every man for his own, but : a.1. ada is the preferred language ; a.2. musl is the preferred standards provider ; a.3. zcx is the preferred exception mechanism ; a.4. static is the preferred build mode. this should come with a design process for candidates evaluation for standardization.
asciilifeform: this is rather like if 2 d00dz run, and the 1 carrying 100kg of lispmachine ends up winning.
asciilifeform suspects that the '2mil' figure they got from 'how many in kernel 2.6 and let's times three' or similar
asciilifeform: and produce e.g. lib with 2.
asciilifeform: bvt: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/02/gnat-zero-cost-exceptions-and-asynchronous-task-aborting-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-7
mircea_popescu: !!rate bvt 2 http://bvt-trace.net/2019/02/gnat-zero-cost-exceptions-and-asynchronous-task-aborting-part-2/#selection-171.346-171.363
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-16#1897098 seems an exact from-field description of the higher level http://bvt-trace.net/2019/02/gnat-zero-cost-exceptions-and-asynchronous-task-aborting-part-2/#selection-139.335-139.443 problem, doesn't it. ☝︎
feedbot: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/02/gnat-zero-cost-exceptions-and-asynchronous-task-aborting-part-2/ << bvt's backtrace -- GNAT Zero Cost Exceptions and Asynchronous Task Aborting. Part 2.
asciilifeform bbl in 2-3h
diana_coman: full you mean? I didn't time it, more usual left it and came back to it done, but from scratch ~1hour , possibly a bit more than that (less than 2 though)
asciilifeform: iirc ave1's builder is a 2-step thing, so gotta make sure it gets enabled for both
deedbot: BingoBoingo updated rating of douchebag from 1 to -2 << Ate time, got dismissed
BingoBoingo: !!rate douchebag -2 Ate time, got dismissed
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in lulz http://trilema.com/2016/sad-times-in-the-fiat-empire-apparently-you-cant-give-the-dollar-away-these-days/ : bitcoin's still capped at 21mn (pantsuit still claiming this is bad) ; usg's confetti just passed 22... quadrillion or some shit (pantsuit still claiming that 1. it is capped and 2. nothing to be worried about -- not even self-contradiction). http://www.usdebtclock.org/ has some tickers.
asciilifeform: http://www.artem.ru/calc/2.jpg << subj is under the large white paint stain.
asciilifeform: with thinking, rather than brute force ( nobody will live to see even 2^128 bit of phase space walked via brute force, do the arithm )
asciilifeform: var_B8 contains some flag. valid values are 0, 1, 2, 3. if 0, we go to loc_490. if 1, loc_601. if 2, loc_62d. if 3, loc_659. if above 4, program dies, cpu executes ud2 (guaranteed bomb) .
diana_coman: sorry; I should know by now to not hurry up with data report even if it's just 2 runs
diana_coman: no, fat-fingered it, 0 instead of 9 i.e it was 0.93 not 0.03; sorry about that; still running atm the 1 handler with sjlj and then will move on to 2 and 3 handlers
asciilifeform finds that (using pre-ave1 gnat, where i currently can --RTS=sjlj ) no detectable diff in mod ex
diana_coman: and yes, then I'll do with 2 and 3 handlers too
mircea_popescu: diana_coman can we do with 2 and 3 extra handlers as a bonus plox ?
diana_coman: so X will be bigger than max generally because of the "calls 2 procs"
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform found that ye olde box cannot actually sustain 100% 8-core for 2+hrs. trips sensor. quite annoying. )
a111: Logged on 2019-02-14 07:55 mircea_popescu: diana_coman : btw, here's my current model for the calling timing harness : write three procedures, A B C. have each of these 1. increment a global counter, X ; 2. check if X is over a max value ; 3. if it is not, have each call either one or the other of the other two randomly ; 4. if X is over max value, have them simply return.
asciilifeform: this is where i confess that i did not follow the subj actively in recent yr or 2, last time i tried to buy miner was some time during kako's reign
mircea_popescu: to continue the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894616 discussion / produce a benchmark for the republic's development : taking mining efficiency at 20 GH/joule (slightly above the antiminer s9) 40 exahash would be ~2 Gjoules. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: diana_coman : btw, here's my current model for the calling timing harness : write three procedures, A B C. have each of these 1. increment a global counter, X ; 2. check if X is over a max value ; 3. if it is not, have each call either one or the other of the other two randomly ; 4. if X is over max value, have them simply return. ☟︎
diana_coman: re re-pressing to his node - note that that is re v-tools in fact; and I pressed the v-starter to node before that precisely because it essentially forks there i.e. there are 2 options
mircea_popescu has been playing the same heroes 2 for 20 years now. if it were on chip it'd have hurt nothing.
mod6: So the thinking behind initramfs: 1. I have one on the working gentoo on that box, 2. from what I've read that can help with various kernel related problems
mod6: The days leading up to the blog post, i used nothing but names: /dev/sda{1,2,3} and eschewed UUIDs totally.
mod6: I think that I might be on the right track here though, and I did try a few other things after reading some documentation. For instance, after the above, I changed /etc/fstab to use only UUIDs instead of '/dev/sda{1,2,3}', and then tried that. Same problem essentialy. I also found about 'PARTUUID', which is supposed to help in certain circumstances. Nothing has worked yet...
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-13#1895836 << so on the basis of this better table neatly presenting data i'm concluding that a) serpent run indeed takes 2.8 us or so ; b) timing data converges within 1/3 s test runs or so ; c) these statements equal to foregoing earlier items which are thus retrospectively deemed correct and finally, and most importantly d) tentatively it seems sjlj adds no measurable time delay on running co ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-13 18:41 asciilifeform: historically i found that o3 is moar or less unusable for benchmarking anyffin, it risks to 'optimize away' unexpected pieces ( for instance, quite possibly your loop-and-mod-2 )
diana_coman: i.e. where/if the trouble is not somehow just on my machine (though I got it on 2 machines...)
diana_coman: there was the earlier mess-up with the 2 datasets hence my current stress of the fact, that's all
asciilifeform: historically i found that o3 is moar or less unusable for benchmarking anyffin, it risks to 'optimize away' unexpected pieces ( for instance, quite possibly your loop-and-mod-2 ) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: do me a favour first and let's nail the numbers down. so, for 1 to 100 if mod 2 results in the loop being run 50 times ? or 49 ?