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mircea_popescu: they love the whatever, "world", "cosmos", whatever it is, and dun wanna hurt it. and they figure if they don't exist, can't hurt it. and so will studiously avoid saying "~I~ forbid you from X", not because "they believe in equality" or "it's impolite" or "other's freedom" or any such bs. the driving force is simply that IF you say "i order/forbid you" then therefore you CAN end up in the situation whereby "you forbade me and
mircea_popescu: AS DOING. The fact the rest of you are now finally realizing that some of the problems I already solved years ago were, in fact, real issues, is mildly amusing to me in a morbid way. If you have competent developers on this lsit you don't NEED my patches, you can figure out how to do it from the _idea_ in a couple hours." << there, as good an epitaph FOSS could ever get.
Mocky: but i don't have asciilifeform's mental model of a much better lang with which to compare. I have c c++ python javascript that I also get paid to work with occasionally, which ~entirely punt on threading
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-20#1898157 << i dun even disagree that nuffin's worth doing if you don't kill the locusts first. but also imho gotta other things , the result of 'pesticide uber alles' agriculture is monsantostan. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i don't give a shit some insane nonsense "feels like" it's doing "a lot of work". the work done is measured at the useful end.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 16:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i very much don't expect you want the prb 12 that is emacs. rewrite yes ? :D
mircea_popescu: and i somehow still don't see the only item of any import in there, which kinda makes the whole list derisory.
diana_coman: I don't know about option c i.e. whether there is something lost by going with it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i very much don't expect you want the prb 12 that is emacs. rewrite yes ? :D ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2015-04-29 16:41 mircea_popescu: you can't go "oh i don't use libnss anyway". you probably are.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 14:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't fucking get it, just HOW FUCKING MANY symbols are they dealing with here ? by the sheer desperation screaming out of the code you'd think a compile produces at least 5 trillion of them.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't fucking get it, just HOW FUCKING MANY symbols are they dealing with here ? by the sheer desperation screaming out of the code you'd think a compile produces at least 5 trillion of them. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: you can not in fact define symbols after the fact (and i don't mean just the elf technical term -- all symbols). the only way to define a symbol is by its parents.
mircea_popescu: because i can't shake this very strong http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-21#1379603 flavour from "we don't know if this symbol is defined or not so we half-define it just in case" ☝︎
bvt: maybe there are two similar issues that are both 'cured' by switching to dynamic linking, but currently i don't think so. i'm using zcx runtime for these tests.
bvt: i don't think it gcc5-specific, the patch against this problem that i've seen was written for gcc 4.8
bvt: however i don't understand if this is possible only to achieve only for gnat components, and when i do it globally, i get 'undefined symbol' when linking with libgcc
diana_coman: asciilifeform, they abort; we are sawing them open because I don't trust it anymore re "what does it actually do exactly"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect this is my problem. i don't mentally distinguish aarch64 from arm correctly.
diana_coman: I still don't see the boo-boo of docs i.e ~"all programs should see a great improvement running zcx" or how was it
diana_coman: hence I suspect I fat-fingered it because I don't remember popping out when I read in console
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i don't get it, so it crashed with 16mn but worked with 22mn ?
mircea_popescu: because i don't care about tiles enough to make my own yet.
mircea_popescu: but i don't care what it costs in the sense i will have it done, not in the sense that i will have it done in the most expensive way possible. if there's bitcoin mining tiles and simple tiles available, i am buying the former.
mircea_popescu: and i don't care what it costs
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but if i don't adjust the linux max for eulora, why the fuck would i care to do so for this test ?
mircea_popescu: re the loops, i don't see the point in bothering with this there. we were checking loops, not the whole call mechanism, there.
diana_coman: ada's checks raise exceptions yes; not handled; I don't know if additional explicit handlers ADD or not
diana_coman: hm; I don't know if it's exactly the same thing or not; perhaps it is
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-14#1896155 -> the point is that it's supposed to slow down the code *at all times* , not only /if it crashes; so no, I don't imagine anyone cares about *that* if the whole thing crashes ☝︎
mod6: Ok, starting small, I got you. I dunno where the fire is either -- I don't know why I'm in any sort of rush here.
mod6: I'll try to do this the way that #t sees fit. but, on my own, left to my own decision making (as I don't know much about these things) might be a bit askew.
trinque: I don't even think your box is a piece of shit.
mod6: I don't quite see it that way, I'm just trying to do Foundation work, that does overlap with the Cuntoo work.
mod6: Maybe we're talking past eachother a bit here. Anyway, I don't know much about these things. I'm kinda learning bit by bit as I go... it all certainly doesn't "fit in head" or whatever yet.
mod6: You have to understand, that I'm not trying to piss you off here. I don't even look at it on this level.
mircea_popescu: from what i gather actually setting the correct path (ie, /sda3 or w/e it actually is) should really do it. i don't expect you can just unilaterally set uuids, gotta make them work from the other end too first.
mircea_popescu: i don't really expect it, because you need specific technologies to enable it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i don't specifically know, but suspect that the eggog happens when parent thread dies and (for moment) the children keep fandangoing
bvt: may be. tbh i don't think i can reason on this q based on only the test code.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: couldja plox add the billing calendar (with the hash-pseudonymised subscriber names from earlier) to the public www ? so folx dun have to ask why they're being billed at time t and for what << We have customer accounts here on the public www http://pizarroisp.net/pizarro-records/ listed just below the price points. I have been updating it as part of compiling the statements. I don't recall if I pass out
a111: Logged on 2019-02-12 13:18 bvt: i expect it will be slower, but it won't hurt to do the check. the impact will depend on how exceptions are used (i don't think it can have any impact on ffa, for example). but i don't have enough experience with it to provide any numbers
diana_coman: I don't quite get the branches and iterators aka what exactly do you want in there?
mircea_popescu: of course, that's when they moved to unicode. but if memory serves, dwarf2 was kinda braindamaged in some corner cases i now don't recall.
diana_coman: I read a bit on that and it seems to me that it is meant to actually add ANOTHER "won't abort here" point so I don't quite see it; but yes, I'll try it anyway
diana_coman: myeah, sjlj is going to be slower; onth now I don't quite get it WHY is ZCX not able to support async abort
mircea_popescu: just, i don't think it can be whipped into a workable exception handling mechanism.
bvt: i expect it will be slower, but it won't hurt to do the check. the impact will depend on how exceptions are used (i don't think it can have any impact on ffa, for example). but i don't have enough experience with it to provide any numbers ☟︎
mircea_popescu: people HERE fcuking love it. bought an armful of roses few days ago, dood selling it was like "that's a great hat, mr! say, when you're done with it, don't throw it out, throw it at me, i'd love to have it."
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 20:51 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894713 << i specifically don't even WANT the "rich media" / dvds / epubs / pdfs / whatever bullshit. i don't even want their pagelong blathers about how all-important inca is or whatever shit.
trinque: you're evaluating things towards the purpose of avoiding negative reflection upon you, rather than from the cause of your circumstances. thus when I ask you what was on your workbench when http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894746 happened, you either don't know or shy away from saying. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 20:54 mod6: trinque: what do you mean by 'angular'? If you mean, why so terse? Because I don't want to flood #t with a ton of information, as I'm afraid I'll also leave something out.
mircea_popescu: it very well fucking is not. it's not even remotely as important. having usg.cmu or usg.anything-else spew on actual literature is nothing short of vandalism. i don't want their grafitti, and i don't care why they think they're owed it.
mod6: trinque: what do you mean by 'angular'? If you mean, why so terse? Because I don't want to flood #t with a ton of information, as I'm afraid I'll also leave something out. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894713 << i specifically don't even WANT the "rich media" / dvds / epubs / pdfs / whatever bullshit. i don't even want their pagelong blathers about how all-important inca is or whatever shit. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu will NEVER fucking support this, i don't care what it is, people, software, whatever the fuck. husband above ALL children, operator above internal state, no fucking exceptions.
diana_coman: and I don't know what does this make re I/O operations because you can't quite control they are "in an abortable state" afaik
mircea_popescu: on the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-09#1894536 boxes i have frozen gtk 2 ; it then permits firefox up to i don't recall, FORTY-something ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-09 20:15 mircea_popescu: in short -- i don't merely wish to import x and then end up in bullshit "kde vs gnome" faux "dilemma"s of the femstate ilk. i wish to import x in such a way as to have a sane stack. which is why i wanna saddle phf with it.
mircea_popescu: in short -- i don't merely wish to import x and then end up in bullshit "kde vs gnome" faux "dilemma"s of the femstate ilk. i wish to import x in such a way as to have a sane stack. which is why i wanna saddle phf with it. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i don't even agree, fwiw. i'm not about to saddle you with a "now you gotta maintain magic gentoo" task.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't specifically know, but what she says is not without merit, "what's somebody other than me supposed to do???"
mod6: right, i agree, so i don't think it's ~cuntoo~ per se... but imagine this. I've had gentoo running on that hardware for nearly a year since i bought it.
mircea_popescu: btw, totally worth seeing the films referenced, half dozen or so they may be, in the sense that i don't expect there's any chance of your having encountered them or anything like them on your own.
BingoBoingo: Ok, I wonder why the locals here don't take the water quality remedy back home and use solar power to stir and oxygenate the water near the beach to prevent fishkills
trinque: BingoBoingo: isn't as though I don't appreciate the "subject me to something why don't you!!!" urge. was discussing this earlier in the shop.
mircea_popescu: and i said "why would you buy these small shits, they don't even have a reset button"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, that's not the fucking question. the question is i don't have a wedgeable, and "somehow" the shit dun die when i say.
diana_coman: if there's nothing for them to do, they get killed; but not sure what's the point in keeping them idling anyway; i.e. if it's busy then no, they don't get killed
a111: Logged on 2019-02-07 18:20 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the everlulz, Cisza 21F sub 3h "Don't you know what lesbian means? fuck you" LordMPofTMSR "Lmao. I should know, I'm sure I fucked more than you."
mircea_popescu: very much truth, btw, i don't know there exist three girls alive that've fucked more lesbians than you truly.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the everlulz, Cisza 21F sub 3h "Don't you know what lesbian means? fuck you" LordMPofTMSR "Lmao. I should know, I'm sure I fucked more than you." ☟︎
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> vaguely relatedly, is there such a thing as a 64 bit laptop that's acceptable as far as anyone knows ? << I don't hate the thinkpad x120e, AMD E350 Bobcat chip
mircea_popescu: i never bought one yet, principally because i don't know of such a thing.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i don't suppose you folks have a 64 bit machine i could get for hanbot to continue her cuntooing ?
trinque: I don't plan on porting the bootstrapper to other architectures; it'll be better once the bridge has been crossed to crosscompile for various other archs (arm, i686, toaster)
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1893092 -> honestly, I don't see it: if he luvved to then WHY not recommend it? in martian if that's what it is in, wtf ☝︎
diana_coman: I don't recall
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1892758 << i specifically ~don't~ read them, among other real or imagined reasons specifically so i don't end up galled by some random infantilism and then carry it about. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i honestly don't think poor success rates with clinically relevant levels of self absorbed morons is necessarily something you'd be too worried about.
mircea_popescu: i don't even see the problem with this. though i must confess midly curious as to why it manages to occupy your time.
mircea_popescu: so, ultimately, the logic here goes thusly : 1) of all the parts of living animal, i choose spleen to be defined as "only relevant part", arbitrarily. because i really like spleens and i don't really understand anything besides them nor do i wish to or see why i should have to ;
mircea_popescu: i still don't think so.
mircea_popescu: in the sense of, "the only surviving island of non-(engineeridiocy) is this here harem, and further, as part and parcel of my continued and systematic efforts to ensure failure, not only do i perceive this as a substantial lack of everyone else, but instead i'll propose that taking a sufficiently narrow view of the matter, it could almost be said the lacking parts don't even exist" ?
mircea_popescu: #trilema is the forum of the most serene republic, not "an irc channel" or whatever other http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-03#1869074 -bred nonsense / "consumers have come to expect", and i don't give shit one whether the yokels think they have or think they haven't one in "their" town. ☝︎
verisimilitude: Unfortunately for me, I don't own a Lisp Machine.
asciilifeform: i intend to port ffa to msdos, for instance, and don't expect that gnat will be building it ~on~ dos box.
mircea_popescu: except i don't drink beer, but drink spirits. not whiskey, nor any other stoolbrandy, but nevertheless.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 16:49 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892247 << see how comms trip you up ? had you ~said~ this much i'd have said very different things, because i entirely don't see the problem with a cl blogotron.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 17:24 diana_coman: trinque, it's possibly best to run your latest script and then hand over everything you need, fresh and clear? not a big issue otherwise to rummage and pack that dir but I don't even recall if I did not touch it further after that point when I sent the genesis patch so I'd rather not introduce artefacts
mircea_popescu: the annoying part is, i hated it so much i don't even have any distinct memory sufficient to identify wtf it even was.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892247 << see how comms trip you up ? had you ~said~ this much i'd have said very different things, because i entirely don't see the problem with a cl blogotron. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: "I don't think the old man give me no square deal on that lease but if he wants to stick me all right. I am grateful to you Al for trying to fix it up but maybe you could of did better if you had of went at it in a different way. I am not finding no fault with my old pal though. Don't think that. When I have a pal I am the man to stick to him threw thick and thin. If the old man is going to hold me to that lease I guess I wil
BingoBoingo: Leads to: "Then he says I am not sure you are going to get anything. I says What do you mean? And he says I have gave you a very fare contract and if you don't want to live up to it that is your own business."
BingoBoingo: "She says Well if you will go and talk the right way to Comiskey I believe he will give you $3000 but you must be sure you go at it the right way and don't go and ball it all up. Well we argude about it a while because I don't want to hold nobody up Al but finally I says I would. It would not be holding nobody up anyway because I am worth $3000 to the club if I am worth a nichol."
mircea_popescu: as far as i know [and what i don't know in this town ain't worth knowing], the last "thai princes" in existence sported armenian moustaches, went about in confiscated warsaw pact uniforms and had names ending in that ridiculous accented c.
a111: 2018-09-04 <cazalla> not much i can say you haven't experienced or don't already know having done it i guess
diana_coman: trinque, it's possibly best to run your latest script and then hand over everything you need, fresh and clear? not a big issue otherwise to rummage and pack that dir but I don't even recall if I did not touch it further after that point when I sent the genesis patch so I'd rather not introduce artefacts ☟︎
mircea_popescu: this is of general interest as i don't expect eulora to be the last republican item with threads in it.
mircea_popescu: in any case, besides this distinction, i don't see any way to meaningfully divide people at the scale here contemplated.