SuchWow: i've been gone for 2-3 months, tl;dr me the best parts
SuchWow: and what happened to fluffypony
SuchWow: as to the current sentiment
assbot: SuchWow is not registered in WoT.
SuchWow: I was a founding op of #dogecoin lol
SuchWow: and i've never been interested
SuchWow: u can search ur logs for more, i've had a few mildly amusing exchanges here (not really tho
cazalla: SuchWow, is this the day where you check if #b-a is still around long after dogecoin was put to sleep?
SuchWow: cazalla: clearly you haven't been watching dogecoin charts, and even more clearly, you have no idea who i am.
SuchWow: but have fun with your attempted cajoles lol
cazalla: SuchWow, you mean i don't know chinese exchanges pump it up with fake volume to fool westerners?
SuchWow: now i get why you only voice ppl under certain conditions
SuchWow: cazalla: if you say so, i really and honestly wouldn't know anything about that
SuchWow: i dunno, you're here in this chan, i haven't been here for months
SuchWow: you're the one making subtly degrading comments towards me based on total ignorance
SuchWow: so perhaps the rules have changed
cazalla: people often up others that /join the channel.. sorta like answering a knock at the door? just being polite ya know, there is no judgement one way or the other until you open your mouth
ben_vulpes: altcoins are retarded, you're going to get prodded when you show up here pumping them.
SuchWow: cazalla: i've been upped over a dozen times here, thanks
SuchWow: it was not my idea to bring up altcoins in the discussion
SuchWow: someone asked who i was, i reminded them, and then you started in with ur bullshit
SuchWow: doesn't bother me at all tho tbh
ben_vulpes: heh. but you're here! who could resist taking a shot!
SuchWow: implying that i have knowledge of what he was saying
SuchWow: what he actually said cold be true,, i woudln't know lol
SuchWow: i just saw one of your 'members' spamming in another chan
ben_vulpes: we're all complicit in the altcoin pump and dump nao!
SuchWow: and said 'hey, why not see what they'er up to'
cazalla: SuchWow, you're the one that said check out the charts.. i did and btc38 is supposedly 85% of the dogecoin trade
SuchWow: since btc has returned to volatility again
SuchWow: and i l ike to trade 796 at 50:1 instead of playing poker these days
mircea_popescu: lol what, the proposition is that dogecoin still exists ?!
SuchWow: cazalla: pretty sure cryptsy is still #1, but haven't checked honestly
SuchWow: cazalla: my comment was more about you saying doge had been 'put to sleep'
SuchWow: when in reality it has returned close to 400% recently
cazalla: pretty sure but haven't checked.. ok sorta makes sense why you'd be involved in dogecoin to begin with
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> "i thought i killed it a year ago!"
SuchWow: cazalla: there you go again. Why do you think i am involved with dogecoin?
SuchWow: you keep using that as an insult
SuchWow: but i'm not involved with dogecoin
SuchWow: and haven't been for a long time
cazalla: SuchWow, you brought it up by bragging about being a founder of #dogecoin (wow, such bragworthy, not)
ben_vulpes: you're not anyone, how could you be involved with anything...
SuchWow: so keep on with that delusiohn. it would seem YOU know more than ME about it lol
SuchWow: cazalla: i was asked 'who are you again'
williamdunne: SuchWow: You mentioned the dogecoin thing, I also assumed you're still involved
SuchWow: 6 months ago when i was last here
SuchWow: that was what/who everyone knew me as
SuchWow: that is generally my reputation
cazalla: SuchWow, being involved in dogecoin at some point is not something you go around bragging
SuchWow: clearly it rings a bell to none of you
SuchWow: and you just keep asking me over and over lol
SuchWow: i'm not bragging? i was answering a question asked of me
SuchWow: THAT is what (if anything) you would remember me from
SuchWow: and if you didn't want to know
cazalla: there is no hostility, you're just a little touchy
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SuchWow: i've answered all of your questions
SuchWow: despite being accused of shit for doing so
SuchWow: nobody has answered my questions tho
mircea_popescu: !rate SuchWow 1 answered all questions, still no idea who he is.
assbot: SuchWow is not registered in WoT.
SuchWow: [20:11:46] <+SuchWow> and i've never been interested
SuchWow: [20:11:49] <+SuchWow> in bot trust games lol
assbot: Logged on 23-08-2014 07:41:30; SuchWow: i've NEVER ONCE talked here lol\
SuchWow: yet i trade successfully for 2 years
mircea_popescu: so ? people cook successfully without running water and things
cazalla: i can hold my breath under water for 30 seconds..
SuchWow: anyhow i will restate why i joined this chan again
SuchWow: one of your 'members' spammed an ad in another chan to join here
SuchWow: i remembered being active here long ago
SuchWow: upon joining, i asked what the current sentiment of btc was here
SuchWow: and then all this doge shit started up
cazalla: SuchWow, so you gonna paint the #b-a fence, wax the #b-a floor or wut?
SuchWow: from #bitcoin-pricetalk today: [17:47:39] <SevenX> join #bitcoin-assets
ben_vulpes: bitbet just lost a few months of profit
ben_vulpes: oh but we have a new rss bot that's new
SuchWow: ben_vulpes: i feel ya, grumpy seems about right
mircea_popescu: the things that happen in the internets truck make me feel old and out of touch
SuchWow: and yes, i get this chan is professional, and above my head, that's why i left lol
ben_vulpes: and i guess is deedbot new since you last were here?
SuchWow: again, it was just the spam that made me come back and say hi :)
SuchWow: i really never was a super active participant
SuchWow: just a newb tryna learn :)
SuchWow: bitcoin is enough tho, adding securities on top of that, out of my league haha :)
SuchWow: doge recent performance has been pretty amazing tho
SuchWow: and i say that from an outside perspective
mod6: check out the /topic & read at least 6 months of logs.
SuchWow: got a real jobj 9 months ago
mircea_popescu: nbews in past 6 months : s.mpoe almost went to shit but recovered, i lost the berkshire bet, s.mg launched eulora, s.nsa's phuctor delivered 60 or so broken rsa moduli
SuchWow: work WAY too much to trade anymore
SuchWow: anyhow i'll poof after the up goes down
SuchWow: is good to know y'all are still here and srs about shit
SuchWow: that in and of itself kinda answers my original question
ben_vulpes: we're still regaling you with our victories
SuchWow: when will the bitcoin regs
SuchWow: be published in the weekly journal or whatev
SuchWow: that's what i can't figure out
ben_vulpes: SuchWow: you volunteering to summarize the court's proceedings?
SuchWow: srsly tho, only thing i can find
SuchWow: is that nydfs is final once published
SuchWow: everyone in btcland should?
SuchWow: because if rumors about china banning are relevant
SuchWow: than ACTUAL FACTS about regulation should be pertinent?
ben_vulpes: by the time the usg realizes that there's a btc-shaped train headed its way it will be too late for it to do anything.
ben_vulpes: we'll get to see btc users go to town on china
SuchWow: i think nobody knows the answer to my question lol
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SuchWow: and if nobody here knows that answer, than that tells me what i need to know lol
ben_vulpes: bitcoin-assets aka bitcoin doomsday cult
SuchWow: (i just trade btc/usd on 796 at 50:1 for gambling purposes)
mircea_popescu: "main calls AppInit, which itself calls AppInit2 catching all exceptions in two seperate logic branches, shuting itself down if the second layer of AppInit doesn't fire correctly:"
SuchWow: i'm currently bullish, after a LONG time of being bearish
SuchWow: hence why i was curious as to the general sentiment here
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i just keep forgetting the horrest parts of bitcoin
mircea_popescu: then go through these phases of he's kidding no wait, wait, i recall this. but it couldn't be. o yes it is.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43996 @ 0.00041263 = 18.1541 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: mysterious BDB shenanigans on application shutdown << it doesn't have atomic index operations. which means, that it can has updated index but unupdated data.
SuchWow: i ofc assume that sentimentality on btc prices affects the securities tradded with it lol
ben_vulpes: ah CAddrDB("cr+").LoadAddresses(); i missed you
SuchWow: Anyhow, it's been a pleasure speaking with you all, and should I ever quit my job and start daytrading BTC/USD fulltime again, I will return. I will give back the last 2 minutes I have of being 'upped' to the floor. :)
SuchWow pours shots for everyone before he goes
ben_vulpes: this was a deliberately orchestrated event!
mircea_popescu: "Even though the application's default behavior is to create the ~/.bitcoind directory itself unprompted (and yet not the bitcoin.conf file that the damn thing expects in there), if you pass it a data directory that doesn't exist, it refuses to create it."
ben_vulpes: but it's hard to write well wearing asbestos gloves.
mircea_popescu: Bitcoind as written would be the best possible example of condescending software design if it were worthy of being called "designed" instead of "crufted together by a monotonically increasingly febrile group of contributors". << i can sign that.
SuchWow: BOTTOMS UP! CHEERS! KEEP FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT MEN! AND WOMEN! AND OTHERS! SEE YOU IN 2016 WHEN THIS SHIT GETS SUPER REAL :D
mircea_popescu: certainly nobody still young enough to pick up chicks would know wtf -?
mircea_popescu: (and no, i'm not an exception - i have to have the chicks pick up chicks for me!)
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes btw, as a matter of course articles like that should contain a "this is how you get your system to reproduce my screenshots" thing, with emacs settings etc.
mircea_popescu: help people learn the shit you use makes more people use the shit you use makes you less likely to have to learn shit other people use.
mircea_popescu: it doth not have the great degree of generality that a good exercise makes.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes and yet, author knows enough to use strprintf rather than any other of the countless vulnerable c string things
ben_vulpes: does argue for a rather sophisticated greybeard
ben_vulpes: the most elaborate programming exercise - write something world-changing in a style nobody would ever attribute to you
mircea_popescu: myeah. it just doesn't wash, half the "expert" population of c-ers doesn't actually comprehend c string safety
ben_vulpes: muntz the car brand or muntz the guy who made TVs?
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ben_vulpes: unless you're making a sophisticated joke about horsepower and snipping arbitrary cables...
ben_vulpes: heh - onlytruecars.com does redirect shenanigans
ahmed_: just a fellow bitcoin user
ben_vulpes: anyways these newly muntzed nodes dun wanna connect to anything off of irc
ben_vulpes: not much useful. standard boot up and then silence.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19945 @ 0.00040649 = 8.1074 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: on the topic of the cost of complexity tossed in because someone doesn't understand things
mod6: ben_vulpes: what version & patches & os?
ben_vulpes: now i have to load the IRC protocol up into my head to figure out precisely how it's derivsupposed to turn IRC connections into peers
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes just looks at hostnames from /who list and spams them
ben_vulpes: mod6: everything up through thermonyuuke
mod6: ben_vulpes: & ubuntu?
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i like em thick but maybe not that big (i'd still hit it)
cazalla: if i can see ribs when she reaches for the sky, she needs a good meal before we bang
cazalla: mind you, this is all theory, i've been banging the same tired old hole for years
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10055 @ 0.0004042 = 4.0642 BTC [-]
mod6: re: slutennis "Wouldn't you watch a sport like that ?" << f yes.
mircea_popescu: people^H preachin' retards keep getting in the way of women doing the soirt of shit that'd make them awesome.
mircea_popescu: i guarantee you nobody's saying anything to the slutennis champ but "ma'am"
mod6: foxtail would command respect for sure.
mircea_popescu: cazalla the problem with her is that no tits. if she had d+ knockers the ribcage'd be a +
mircea_popescu: mod6 and the thing is, that arrangement'd pretty much kill anyone but a young woman.
mod6: yeah, that shoes might be the problem. but... war is hell.
mod6: girls would have to do cart-wheels to get to a ball on the otherside of the court as opposed to running.
mod6: ah, yeah. hmm. didn't consider that.
mircea_popescu: nuts tho. i hadn't realised cartwheels'd necessarily be a big part.
mircea_popescu: in other news, i still dunno what event to do next for eulora.
mod6: the skirts could have a quick "clasp" or some sort of attachment mechinism to keep hands free while cart-wheeling.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, but how many skinny girls have D+ cups? (natural not implants with a gap larger than my front fucking teeth)
mod6: oh I vote for the trip to magial places on the island.
cazalla: creating a bitbet.. micon cops a plea deal.. does anyone think prior to 2016 is a fair time scale?
cazalla: who knows.. and he might plea but not agree to do so this year
ben_vulpes: are there some scripts kicking around for connecting to arbitrary nodes?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: replace the file where bitcoin saves its nodes with your own preference.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: sorry, unclear. scripts for crawling/pinging nodes.
ben_vulpes: i dunno man i just like reading a bunch of different approaches
mircea_popescu: esp if you wish to compare stuff to its results or w/e
trinque: can be amusing to think of chrome as a google rootkit
trinque: rather than competing with microsoft or apple in the OS space, they just snuck their way in with their own OS
mircea_popescu: definitely got it. and im sure some idiot "woman in tech" a la carly fiorina is going to bring a shittier apple itunes store on it
trinque: read some article where they said this is *precisely* what WebAssembly is
trinque: an answer to the app store thing from google
trinque: even though yeah, they've got the android one
mats: plus side, crimeware never escapes the sandbox.
mircea_popescu: minus side, nothing other than crimeware's worth doing anymore.
trinque: to think, people will be able to play oculus angry birds right from facebook
trinque: and they say progress is dead
mats: anybody have any idea wtf this reactive programming stuff is
mats: and plz no buzz words
mats: oo as in... object oriented?
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BingoBoingo: 2009 vintage acer laptop, single core amd 64 proccessor 3GB ram.... Disadvantages: Huge
BingoBoingo: ascquaintance was moving and did not want to move this HUGE thing
gribble: Error: "late" is not a valid command.
BingoBoingo: Well, he's moving into his girlfriend's place and long ago she bought him a bunch of Apple shit to replace it so indeed too big to move laptop
cazalla: come with a hdd? burn it with fire BingoBoingo lol
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Looks like the original 160 GB hard drive. I'll probably end up applicancing it into a node
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 02:05:08; mircea_popescu: chrome is seriously taking over the internets.
trinque: asciilifeform: still comes with tasty binary treats, apparently
trinque: or at least they're leaking through
ben_vulpes: the irc "logic" is mind-numbingly dumb
ben_vulpes: no, i noticed the snip. i figured smarts were involves.
BingoBoingo: At least will find nice headlights in the header
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fartacus: ben_vulpes: this beirc seems like another one of those "hey cool, made something that works in clim. I think I'll go get a job now" projects
fartacus: thing wasn't even showing chan text without switching out of and back into the buffer
fartacus: but I bet it's sexy under the hood
ben_vulpes: or if anyone gave a shit and implemented it on allegro it might work
ben_vulpes: but who's going to implement a clim irc client on allegro
ben_vulpes: p sure we all have vastly better things to be doing
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: better in every way but source-open-ness?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44400 @ 0.00040389 = 17.9327 BTC [-] {4}
ben_vulpes: same is true for the major haskell shops.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: USG is on that list plenty of times.
BingoBoingo: Indeed, under many pretexts including a lab with explicit Air Force connection
BingoBoingo: "AntPool just missed out on 4.644BTC/$1128USD worth of transaction fees because they weren't mining with full-RBF"
☟︎ BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Hearn and Co are pushing some derp where "Those Bitcoins are yours even before the transaction is mined" idiocies
ben_vulpes: broadcast a transaction with a higher fee, miners will include it preferentially to a previous transaction with the same inputs
☟︎ ben_vulpes: nevermind that nothing keeps people from selecting transactions for block inclusion arbitrarily
BingoBoingo: The Tood thing works through pure profit incentive
ben_vulpes: myeah, and miners should really be doing it already
ben_vulpes: it is in no way to the best of my knowledge a change in anything of import
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's basically just Peter Todd made the first public code available to do this
ben_vulpes: convention for a long time was that "the earliest broadcast transaction wins" as some sort of half-assed soft-connsensus-aka-fecal-matter prophylactic against double spends
BingoBoingo: Indeed, but whatever fee maximizing patches miners and pools were running for were like most serious pool code... seekrit
ben_vulpes: prefer transactions with high fees over transactions with low fees
ben_vulpes: it's about inclusion logic after transactions got broadcast
BingoBoingo: Apparently enough pools though were on derp and herp choosing "see first mine first"
ben_vulpes: clearly don't understand how theWerld Werks (tm)
ben_vulpes: moreover i'm not convinced it wasn't a stooge who broadcast the RBF txn to make the tweet in the first place
ben_vulpes: maybe its the best busines for pillaging some specific kinds of subsidies?
trinque: probably depends on whether you have a relationship with someone making the hardware
trinque eyeballs the big chinese mining farms
trinque: someone should alias meadenodes.com to xtnodes.com
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 02:00:31; ben_vulpes: are there some scripts kicking around for connecting to arbitrary nodes?
BingoBoingo: I am starting to think "Olde Laptop Colo" might make a nice franchised business
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Individual enclosures, one time setup fee which covers adapting the machine to its new cooling and power situation
BingoBoingo: I'm thinking more steel sheds, rural locations that happen to be near interections of big city fiber. Prospective franchisees would be the local small town "computer repair" folk
BingoBoingo: Sure, but I'm thinking you do so by getting machines from the customers.
BingoBoingo: customer brings boxen, pay setup then power+pipe. Value proposition to franchisees is small town computer outfit gets an avenue to engage in rent collection.
BingoBoingo: Point for the customers is access to pipe and power off of their own premises. Physical security offered against naive scavengers, but premise could scale to hundreds of locations. Cheap and easily replicable
BingoBoingo: Typical imagined customer is small business that wants to support other local business. Connosieur customer wants access to pipe without fucking up their netflix at home.
mats: brb submitting my ycombinator application for this idea
BingoBoingo: Seriously, this has all the promise of a great chumpatron except every now and then a customer does something worthwhile
mats: that's kind of brilliant
mats: for operator, anyway
BingoBoingo: I think Comcast and a few cableco's do this for wifi
BingoBoingo: Major revenue source for mothership is selling the franchisees laptop cages, cooling, and FeNi batteries
BingoBoingo: Revenue source for franchisee is setting up machines, collecting rent, and selling good feels to the locals
BingoBoingo: Actually this idea was born from I have phree machine, want to appliance it up with Bitcoind, but making it a super public seeder on the home connection would be the suck.
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BingoBoingo: Other maybe applications of such service though might be IRC bouncers and personal mail machines
BingoBoingo: Which is the beauty of this idea. Find folk who would sell fractional rackspace
BingoBoingo: And now we have the real crux of the problem. How to get chumps to subsidize serious pipe
BingoBoingo: More turkeys is a very hard problem. More chickens is much easier.
BingoBoingo: Mapsploring I am finding a disturbing number of duelingbajos-fucktowns which by all right ought to have datacenters advertising colospace based on cable locations and intersections.
BingoBoingo: A number of these fucktowns even have major connection endpoints in the form of bezzelversities
BingoBoingo: Prime candidate for such an operation is carbondale, Illinois. Lived there once. Oasis of connectivity in a desert. Major chicago-New Orleans pipe. Indianapolis pipe. St Louis pipe. Shithole Kentucky pipes. Many hippies who want to "buy local"
BingoBoingo: USG datacenters 10 miles away in Marion, IL off of the pipe path because prisons and FBU
BingoBoingo: Oh I never said house. I said shed. Shed goes on shitland, in town's once industrial district. Preferably a "superfund" site.
BingoBoingo: to host three machines in different locals for the price of one machine in a big city datacenter
BingoBoingo: AH, in this region there is not such a deal I can drive to. A bring the box colo costs $70 USD for 1 rack unit
BingoBoingo: I'm trying to think out a way to chump this down to $20 per box
BingoBoingo: It really would. Or what was that thing which clustered a bunch of opteron slices.
BingoBoingo: But the franchise model was suggested for a reason. When dealing with homo reddictus must put meatshield up to absorb derp.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: nice job ? y'know i'm taller than that guy ;) though i can see the similarity
☟︎ BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Who said it wins? I'm merely suggesting it could take in more dollars than expended. At the moment McDonalds is losing.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: your blog has a header ! and it's a c-c-c-car !!
BingoBoingo: Consider college towns. Local population of students who want a seedbox for torrents who can't on the campus network because of network restrictions on. Just need any box they can ftp into.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: indeed it's from tlp. and it's a sedative.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Ambien makes one trip balls if you stay awake instead of sleeping
pete_dushenski: ambien "It is a short-acting nonbenzodiazepine hypnotic of the imidazopyridine class[3] that potentiates GABA, an inhibitory neurotransmitter, by binding to GABAA receptors at the same location as benzodiazepines.[4] It works quickly, usually within 15 minutes, and has a short half-life of two to three hours."
BingoBoingo: Less LSD alternative and more "robotrip" alternative
BingoBoingo: ghb like, if GHB were ken shamrock and Ambien Kimbo Slice
pete_dushenski: robotrip sounds like robocop come back from the dead as a walking zombie
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You've never had a whole bottle of dextromorphan only cough syrup and communed with your toilet bowl contemplating "All"
☟︎ BingoBoingo was prescribed Ambien to sleep in Undergrad. Made the mistake of taking before getting last cigarette of the evening. Ambien can trigger some odd things.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: for translation purposes : french and spanish. the romanian bits i do, awful as they are, are only because mp authored them.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: what 'odd things' did ambien trigger for you ?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: ah yes, this rings a bell now. probably from the logs.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Mostly it triggered some interesting visual things and a profound compromise in judgement equivalent to a fifth of bourbon, but without the other tell tale warnings actual booze would offer.
BingoBoingo: If in bed immediately after ambien... much sleep. Problem is I developed tolerance to the stuff rapidly.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I'm probably missing some nuances because... a decade ago
trinque: I had a roommate who would sleepwalk on ambien
trinque: started talking to me about the rollercoaster theme park he was at one night
trinque: and other hilarious nonsense
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: just scanned it. account describes particular atrocities against women and babies, but doesn't specifically state that 700 "workers" who staged coup were mostly or entirely men.
BingoBoingo: trinque: The cognitive impairment if I remember correctly is at least equivalent to 750ml of 80 proof liquor
trinque: BingoBoingo: yeah I took some for the hell of it
trinque: felt disoriented, confused, but nothing worth repeating
BingoBoingo: A couple years later I was at a conference I wanted to nope the fuck out of, had one left in my grooming package. Challenged the up escalator and lost. Thankfully my (actual) sherpa kept me from falling in the Chicago river
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: seems like a tricky and rather specific detail to unearth about treblinka. may be apocryphal ?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: also ties into mp's "married men should stfu" piece
pete_dushenski: though most don't need to be told this, as spandrell points out.
funkenstein_: there may be things in the world not on your map
funkenstein_: as someone who spend fathers day cleaning shit off lightbulbs, i look forward to the opportunity to disprove the thesis
funkenstein_: they show up in gibson's cyberspace don't they
pete_dushenski: funkenstein_: this'd be the thesis that family men have too much to lose to wage war ?
funkenstein_: kai-shek had son captured by russians, was incapacitated
pete_dushenski: funkenstein_: i suspect that a healthy chunk of b,tmsr~ is equally prepared to prove this wrong.
pete_dushenski: the digital domain being quite a different landscape from the concentration camps, i suspect it's entirely possible.
pete_dushenski: like the deficits that we can run, no one else can do.
pete_dushenski: difference between voluntary and coerced taxation model is my understanding.
pete_dushenski: we're mentally tallying 'the state's' revenues vs. expenses
pete_dushenski: revenues are decentalised and therefore 'off the book'
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: torvalds might do just that if he saw the value of such a calculation and understood the implications
pete_dushenski: well you're far from thick and not all that coloured, but the implication is that for an organisation as ambitious as this one, our enemies have their work cut out for them.
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2015 16:36:33; mircea_popescu: it's not so much a "i want those guys back" as it is "i want the situaiton where being 20 and into computers was more distinctive than any other thing - and you could spot a govt mole from a mile away"
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i dunno torvalds well, but he doesn't seem to have 1/10 mircea_popescu's ambition
pete_dushenski: as such, torvalds won't direct his unpaid armadas towards anything like the targets and projects that mp will.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: my nodes are actually failing to connect to either IP
ben_vulpes: i must be cocking this up in some novel way
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funkenstein_: due to various factors you may have already surmised
funkenstein_: ok i don't know norway.. but i think that needs a bit of sussing out
funkenstein_: it is an often discussed irony that technology decreases leisure time
funkenstein_: damn in norway? that is surprising, from what i hear of social system there
funkenstein_: anyway, the irony is that he is.. while complaining about it.. donating his time to write the piece
funkenstein_: I had a dream, something happenend in channel, and you or someone said "six months! right on schedule"
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funkenstein_: maybe we will later complain, we were immature to give away our time? I don't think so.
pete_dushenski: i've personally taken a lot more than i've given, at least intellectually.
pete_dushenski: i couldn't imagine having spent the last year and a bit more productively, even if, yes, it wasn't free. but what of value is ?
funkenstein_: hawking said, the universe is the ultimate free lunch
funkenstein_: i think this whole cost analysis thing only makes sense to do in a specified context
funkenstein_: which is part of the problem with the naggum piece as well
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cazalla: pete_dushenski, no auto approve for second comment onwards?
cazalla: today is the winter solstice and gee it is fucking cold
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49900 @ 0.00040915 = 20.4166 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> asciilifeform: i dunno torvalds well, but he doesn't seem to have 1/10 mircea_popescu's ambition << eh let's not exagerate, guy's been dealing with linux for two decades.
mircea_popescu: "more efficient use of physical memory. All processes share the same physical pages for the code in the DSOs. With prelinking startup times for dynamically linked code is as good as that of statically linked code."
mircea_popescu: retard put thios right after his two "security" "killer arguments" ?
mircea_popescu: so what's the idea, "using the bus instead of owning a car is a killer security feature, because a) if someone wants to piss in your seat they don't know which seat you will take (you're of course still open to sitting in a pool of urine that nobody intended for you particularly) and if the ny dept of idiocy decides to make the seats smaller and affix dongs, you get smaller seats and a dong up your ass the next day, no
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "Ab 1996 arbeitete er für die Firma Cygnus Solutions. Von 1999 bis September 2010 war er dann Mitarbeiter des Linux-Distributors Red Hat. Seit Oktober 2010 arbeitet er für Goldman Sachs."
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell asciilifeform can't find my fat-fingering, but my node running your patch *does* connect to lfnet. it does not, however, obtain a connection to another node thereby.
mircea_popescu: you will have to somehow answer the question of "does it try to send"
ben_vulpes: well first off there are no clients in the bitcoinchannels
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 04:19:47; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You've never had a whole bottle of dextromorphan only cough syrup and communed with your toilet bowl contemplating "All"
BingoBoingo: cazalla: My CYP450 2D6 is too fast to try that. Converts it to its worst form too fast for a hellish peak (/me kinda also regrets spitting in a tube so USG could profile my dna to discover this)
ben_vulpes: #bitcoin01,02,03,05,05,10,20,25,30,35,22
cazalla: so what's that do, hasten the effects or increase them as well?
ben_vulpes: confirmed that my node is actually connecting by hardcoding its connection room
ben_vulpes: i fear there are either no ungavinized nodes out there, or they're allr unning with no irc connectino
BingoBoingo: cazalla: It hastens turining drug into more extreme version of the drug.
ben_vulpes: i was going to script this, but a visual inspection seems to indicate no nodes on the irc.
BingoBoingo: Which mean sure, you can trip balls, but the toilet is getting hugged the whole time
☟︎ cazalla: SWIM many years ago turned to research chems instead of cough syrup
ben_vulpes: i tried this with both the IP addr for lfnet in the satoshi codebase and also the ip addr provided when loking up irc.lfnet.org
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: lemme know if i can answer anything for ya
ben_vulpes: i'm appropriately burnt out on self-mgmt on this task for today, but can still turn cranks
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: it's okay, the toilet needs it.
ben_vulpes: "stella", for a favorite kids book "stella luna", because the car is a batmobile.
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assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 16:53:02; mircea_popescu: ascii_field the problem of child-herding, so far unresolved, is that women care too much and men don't understand wtf is in the box.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49850 @ 0.00040663 = 20.2705 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: plenty of dogecoin chans with 1 user, two full chans of namecoin, 180 users, and otherwise an endless parade of scamcoins omfg, i never heard of most of 'em.
mircea_popescu: and by "it's dead" i mostly mean lfnet. nothing there.
ben_vulpes: (i had an icecream today - thought of the various ice creams in bsas)
BingoBoingo: hanbot: Great piece on the Texas drama, congrats.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 03:01:25; BingoBoingo: "AntPool just missed out on 4.644BTC/$1128USD worth of transaction fees because they weren't mining with full-RBF"
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 03:03:11; ben_vulpes: broadcast a transaction with a higher fee, miners will include it preferentially to a previous transaction with the same inputs
mircea_popescu: some do, most don't, principally because it ain't worth the hassle.
mircea_popescu: more gargle about the pies in the skies of our imaginary homeworld.
pete_dushenski: cazalla: your most recent contravex comment did auto-approve. not sure why it might've appeared otherwise on your end.
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00040336 = 18.9579 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 03:05:35; *: asciilifeform sorta assumed that miners already optimize for snarfing up max fee
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 03:07:57; asciilifeform: i can picture the minutes. 'hitler: you know, miners are using own versions of bitcoin and don't particular feel like backporting their necessary mods to yours. hearn: so let's do the work for them. gavin: fine idea'
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 03:31:44; asciilifeform: (not because valuable, but because copper scavengers need to be publicly flayed rather than encouraged)
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 03:35:14; asciilifeform: (it is possible to break up cement, but not without anyone noticing. this is the basic principle for the nuke test-ban compliance gadget used on both sides of the ocean)
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 04:13:34; pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: nice job ? y'know i'm taller than that guy ;) though i can see the similarity
mircea_popescu: "You can predict the level of violence in an area just by looking at alcohol sales." << worst stupid ever.
mircea_popescu: this is in fact a straight revival of 1880s us missionary cant.
mircea_popescu: they were engaged in a political battle, at hte time, because they didn't like that the men, congregating in bars, decided elections.
mircea_popescu: they wanted the women, congregating in churches, to decide elections instead.
mircea_popescu: because they just so happened to have 0% survival changes in a bar, and ran churches.
mircea_popescu: pretty much every failure of the us post gilded age can be traced to the losing of that battle. and no, giving women the vote was not a bad idea. great idea. but they should have burned the missionaries on a stake.
pete_dushenski just imagines white collar couple with bundle of female joy in tow citing such 'science' 'proving' the wisdom of their 'decision'
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 04:38:11; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: spandrell's 'we should stop and think what makes bold people bold, and what patterns are common to people who can fight back' is reasonable observation
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 02:41:52; asciilifeform: incidentally, anyone who owns old cars and frequents mechanics would have to be blind to suggest that usd is not palpably inflating
mircea_popescu: if this pattern bullshit worked we wouldn't be stuck here with glibc. and that goes exactly to pete_dushenski "wisdom of decisions" thing above too
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 04:40:08; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: re: spandrell and courage: think about the soviet propagandists' exhortation to 'go kill a german with your bare hands.' was it this that won the war? or also other things, like supply lines from factories set up in open air past urals, etc. ?
mircea_popescu: what supply lines, are you fucking kidding me ? the orcs fought the war in borrowed pants.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 04:41:08; asciilifeform: (there were occasions where zulu - won! but notice we have a britain today, shrivelled cock and all, but still on the map; but no zulu)
mircea_popescu: last i know nobody visits london for they currently alive there.
pete_dushenski doesn't know why 'borrowed pants' is such a funny visual image.
pete_dushenski: speaking of nothing, i've already dodged two of the four 'wedding bullets' between c4 and i. two scheduled for september already.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 04:48:44; asciilifeform: by same argument, e.g., linux, has been running a far bigger 'deficit,' longer
mircea_popescu: now that we're here, the argument can be brought. before, no.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 04:58:26; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: mine connect 100%
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mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171822 << mno. "that is, that once one agrees with the braindamaged pretense that 'end to violence', he is forced to hypocritically reintroduce violence in a very complex form, which reduces to the bezzle, or in carlin's words, 'everyone's quest to stick it to the other guy faster and deeper'. and so he accepts your 50x inflated carrots because he wants to sell you 67x in
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 05:08:06; asciilifeform: that is, having four walls to sit in without strangers sharing the space, to eat real food, to sometimes visit doctors, etc
mircea_popescu: naggum could not keep up WITH THIS. with the threadmill of sublimated violence that is the bezzle.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: he was an idiot for not understanding he is going into it, and for not acting accordingly, but most of all for misrepresenting the sordid state of affairs as a) civilised and b) a fact of life.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: it is neither. it is the unseemly result of delusion shared by idiots.
mircea_popescu: you have no business sitting at the poker table unless you intend to bluff, and you have no business living in norway unless you have a clear scam to apply to the government in mind.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, they WILL scam you more than you scam them, and you end up with a hole in your gut. one should not visit the anthill unless one's either an anteater or equipped as one.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "After Chorazycki's death our plan had to be postponed for several months because we had no qualified leader, and none of us wanted to take moral responsibility for an unsuccessful coup." << ye see ? what more dja want ?
mircea_popescu: these abject nobodies, everything they thought they knew having not merely failed, but having been well proven to have failed beyond the shadowest shadow of a doubt,
mircea_popescu: still exhibit vanity, in a laughable degree hard to put into words. worms, whose lives consist of being generally too low to piss on, think of their "moral responsibility".
mircea_popescu: what more's needed ? broken in the fucking head, these people.
punkman: that cover is probably the best thing about it
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 06:43:53; pete_dushenski: cazalla: your most recent contravex comment did auto-approve. not sure why it might've appeared otherwise on your end.
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cazalla: well she claims she and her partner are making more doing porn than their old jobs
punkman: "If you record yourselves getting sexy whilst watching a video of yourselves getting it on while you are also watching a video of yourselves getting jiggy, then you can call it Cum-ception for the slam dunk of porn pun movies."
cazalla: i imagine the tube sites are just a means to funnel people to their pay sites but 10 million views sounds better to the reddit crowd
punkman: $500 if 5 cents per 1k views, and that's probably high for porn traffic
punkman: maybe their paid stuff converts well though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28125 @ 0.00039712 = 11.169 BTC [+]
cazalla: to think indiancandy could've accumulated a similar amount of views if she only didn't piss around paying people to promote her instagram and got her clothes off willingly
mircea_popescu: shitty tube traffic ? i dunno that you could sell it at any price, a decade ago.
mircea_popescu: cazalla saffron does have enthusiasm going for her, im sure she's doing ok.
mircea_popescu: and i believe she;s making better money off sexual enthusiasm than off whatever pink collar career. but NOT because 10 trillion clicks.
cazalla: meh i won't begrudge her for 10m views, prob far more than some mainstream pros get these days
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 180 @ 0.00629999 = 1.134 BTC [+]
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punkman: it's been nine more days for years
mats: b-but, this time...
punkman: "Poole said that one neighbor using self-driving technology downloaded a software update that disabled his tractor for a week in the middle of planting season this spring. If a system is working, farmers will often hold off on updates rather than risk complications"
☟︎ ben_vulpes: hey have you successfully procured a peer from irc?
ben_vulpes: if you've not blown away addr.dat, yours should still work
ben_vulpes: (remind me again why all these bdb files are necessary?)
ben_vulpes: how can one identify an ungavinized node?
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 06:05:32; mircea_popescu: so what's the idea, "using the bus instead of owning a car is a killer security feature, because a) if someone wants to piss in your seat they don't know which seat you will take (you're of course still open to sitting in a pool of urine that nobody intended for you particularly) and if the ny dept of idiocy decides to make the seats smaller and affix dongs, you get smaller seats and a dong up your a
ben_vulpes: could also do something wacky with usernames iin irc
ben_vulpes: proxy from the network proper into irc.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 07:16:41; mircea_popescu: what supply lines, are you fucking kidding me ? the orcs fought the war in borrowed pants.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4320 @ 0.0004082 = 1.7634 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 07:16:50; pete_dushenski: and rakes iirc
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 07:28:09; mircea_popescu: naggum could not keep up WITH THIS. with the threadmill of sublimated violence that is the bezzle.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 07:28:36; mircea_popescu: he was an idiot for not understanding he is going into it, and for not acting accordingly, but most of all for misrepresenting the sordid state of affairs as a) civilised and b) a fact of life.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 07:30:48; mircea_popescu: otherwise, they WILL scam you more than you scam them, and you end up with a hole in your gut. one should not visit the anthill unless one's either an anteater or equipped as one.
mats: enlisted in a bezzlatron until pile of 'fuck you money'?
mats: was not a good little soldier, i take it.
mats: sure. thats why you eat his heart.
mats: i vaguely recall Naggum swimming in SF bay... there is more than one bezzlatron to be had
mats: he didn't want to live badly enough, then.
mats: man had some profound sense that he was not a slave like the rest of us
mats: could not bear it. died.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15361 @ 0.00040445 = 6.2128 BTC [-]
mats: on the other hand, i'm mentally preparing myself for a dive into the dumpster in a few short years
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: you as a hobo?!? this i could never picture.
thestringpuller: hobo is a phenomenon of the city imo. if forced to be homeless I'd rather be homeless in a jungle or some deserted island and learn to survive there rather than in a city.
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williamdunne: Someone else trying to join #b-a, me and DPB were walking them through it
williamdunne: !v assbot:williamdunne.rate.Drhelmut.1:7824382e16d8b0c5914689b09080ccfaf283ee00501b1b159679e7f76bdf2979
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for Drhelmut with note: WhaleClub TS
Drhelmut: former minecraft server owner, sold months ago and going to do bitcoin services in france
Drhelmut: I made some studies in law too
mats: what do you talk about
mats: what sorts of things are discussed in this 'whaleclub ts' thing
Drhelmut: and lots of stuff around bitcoin
ben_vulpes: bunch of half-int btc holders talking about making markets?
☟︎ Drhelmut: I'm the host of the whaleclub teamspeak
mats: to be more generous, probably a buncha poor people following TAT around
☟︎ Drhelmut: lol, have you already been there?
mats: i have not read good things about it from asseteers
mats: didn't intend to be rude, carry on
Drhelmut: well, in fact I don't care that much
Drhelmut: all exchanges are taking it seriously
Drhelmut: we already got lot of important people on it
Drhelmut: lot of people just hating the name, not the place
chetty: teamspeak? eew why would one want to have people talking at you all the time?
☟︎ chetty: sure sounds like it would annoying, and no way to go read logs at your leisure
Drhelmut: we're just offering the place for people to discuss
ben_vulpes: the guy who rolled over for the feds and the feds pet exchangemaker they couldn't even pay?
ben_vulpes: moreover, how do i know it's actually either of the entities in question and not impersonators?
Drhelmut: If you just don't believe it, don't come, we don't need it.
ben_vulpes: i live and die by asynchronous comms, so i'll not be there.
ben_vulpes: the wot lives and dies by identity, so you'll not have one of those either.
☟︎ Drhelmut: but that's a good idea, I'll try to see if we can link Wot with TS
Drhelmut: Just remind, we have nothing to sell so why lying about that?
ben_vulpes: you seem to be attempting to purchase some attention. nobody here is selling.
Drhelmut: I'm not purchasing anything, I just answer to your doubts and questions
ben_vulpes: what does herr kraken think about the blocksize change?
williamdunne: ben_vulpes: Its more of a friendly place to discuss trading, as opposed to a place for actual business to occur
williamdunne: Not that there is anything wrong with either model, its just what they are
Naphex: Drhelmut: do you have ads on whaleclub ?;]
williamdunne: Outside of it being a good place to speak to potential customers if you're an exchange
ben_vulpes: man if as an exchange operator you're actually enticing customers one-by-one...
williamdunne: Teamspeak isn't for one-on-one communication and some of the traders there are high volume
Drhelmut: and you don't need to be voiced each 30 min :D
fluffypony: the real downside to this Teamspeak stuff is the inability to search historical data
punkman: "discuss trading" << I don't get why this would be desirable, beyond telling each other "o hey buttstamp book crossed again"
fluffypony: Drhelmut: I don't have to be voiced every 30 minutes
Drhelmut: yeah but as a newcomer I have to.
williamdunne: Drhelmut: You only need to be voiced every 30 minutes if you're not in Assbot's L"
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 16:03:35; Drhelmut: Shrem, Jessy from kraken
Drhelmut: shrem was here before going to jail
kakobrekla: soliciting for a biz that went to shit a week later
Naphex: Still looking to place ad spots for xotika.tv , if you're intersted privmsg
kakobrekla: bitbet has infinite amount of banner slots!
Drhelmut: was on the reddit hotpage when it was out
williamdunne: Naphex: Bulk cheap advertising on porn-tube sites?
williamdunne: Eugh, guess bitcoin might be too much of a niche
Naphex: not yet, more like bitcoin targeted
williamdunne: For the right price, yeah I'd get nekkid on camera
williamdunne: Drhelmut: Naphex launched a live cam porn site Xotika.tv, hence our discussion
kakobrekla: Drhelmut williamdunne is looking for a new job
williamdunne: I was seeing if assbot would then grab the title for facebook.com
assbot: im silly, but not that silly.
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gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 246.25, Best ask: 246.36, Bid-ask spread: 0.11000, Last trade: 246.3, 24 hour volume: 19300.03816571, 24 hour low: 241.09, 24 hour high: 247.94, 24 hour vwap: None
jurov: how i misread the log: <BingoBoingo> asciilifeform: Individual enclosures, one time setup fee with cadavers adapting the machine to its new cooling and power situation
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35088 @ 0.00040589 = 14.2419 BTC [-]
ascii_field: punkman: cray-I and many other machines of the period were built in precisely that way.
☟︎ williamdunne: ascii_field: Sorry, still not home. Keeps getting delayed. Probably won't be back until Wednesday D:
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 16:06:22; ben_vulpes: the wot lives and dies by identity, so you'll not have one of those either.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 16:06:39; Drhelmut: we have our own verifiying system
punkman: ascii_field: what kind of machine is he operating
assbot: Logged on 21-06-2015 03:27:06; mod6: who knows why satoshi put that in there. i kinda find it hard to believe that he wouldn't have understood IP headers. perhaps he was trying to ensure that every connecting node was indeed a real host, not some spoofed packet magic.
ben_vulpes: jurov: so nodes on the other end of the connection don't actually use the IP sent in the message protocol?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88250 @ 0.00038591 = 34.0566 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 16:06:39; Drhelmut: we have our own verifiying system
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32150 @ 0.00037965 = 12.2057 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 16:21:19; assbot: 21 Inc Embedded Engineer On Whaleclub Teamspeak by elux | Free Listening on SoundCloud ... (
http://bit.ly/1J03IzD )
punkman: writing, ain't nobody got time for that
trinque: thought whaleclub might be fatties
jurov: ben_vulpes they may use getpeerinfo(sock) instead
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35278 @ 0.00037954 = 13.3894 BTC [-]
williamdunne: kakobrekla: It's a very informal system they have
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34933 @ 0.00037938 = 13.2529 BTC [-] {2}
ascii_field: (as in, you get to keep your connection, sure, but you don't get advertised as a seed)
jurov: guess they don't care about that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45400 @ 0.000412 = 18.7048 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 19:47:39; ascii_field: in unrelated observation, there exists (nor, afaik has ever existed) an eeprom burner with true linux support.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5845 @ 0.00042028 = 2.4565 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67644 @ 0.00042028 = 28.4294 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 09:30:38; cazalla: meh i won't begrudge her for 10m views, prob far more than some mainstream pros get these days
mircea_popescu: mostly on account of their "pros" consisting of NOT being sexually enthusiastic, and imagining that they can substitute self importance for it.
ascii_field: in other 'news', it's been what, ~7 years, and libpng thing is ~still~ biting
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 13:54:22; asciilifeform: this worked earlier
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 13:55:47; asciilifeform: anyone notice if gavingang sent out 'alerts' recently ?
mircea_popescu: 2) optionally, irc box << i don't see that we need it. irc is dead, it was stupid to begin with, time to put it to sleep.
mircea_popescu: (peer over irc acquisition never worked worth a shit - the reason it was moved off freenode for instance is that it needed a special ircd to have even a vague chance)
mircea_popescu: but i am very much perturbed by your proposition that it worked until recently. to what degree worked ?
mircea_popescu: can you say, count all the peers you ever got off irc ?
ascii_field: ever since i've snipped out the gavindns seeds & the hardcoded seeds from my own tree
mircea_popescu: did you actually do a full sync that was throughout dependent on irc as sole primary peer source ?
ascii_field: one full sync and several partial (into the high 200k's)
mircea_popescu: ascii_field iirc the problem was something about how /who flooded the client. so they made a limit so it only shows 100 entries
ascii_field: (terminated through no fault of their own, simply because wanted to start from scratch when testing patches)
mircea_popescu: which then flooded the clients in question so they stopped working
ascii_field: this almost certainly stopped being a problem ages ago
mircea_popescu: can you discern from whence you sit if the following is a possible explanation : you got now and again (rarely) a peer, which gave you its lists of peers, which is how you actually synced.
mircea_popescu: so maybe the "doesn't work" vs "worked 3 days ago" is simply that you ran yours for a day and ben_vulpes ran his for fifteen minutes.
ascii_field: i will remind readers that 'irc on butcher block' means a 100% reliance on seeds we enter in config. and also on specifying node's external ipv4.
☟︎ ascii_field: which is, i suppose, as it should be. but means that: we need seeds.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i will provide no less than three, on physically separate machines, provided this can actually be made to work. which depends on excellent documentation.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: do you presently have a system where the thing builds ?
mircea_popescu: the targed is something like what was done for eulora.
mircea_popescu: but! if you're willing to go into the grease, s.nsa server can be the first of those three.
mircea_popescu: well if you get it to run, identical instances can be spun up, so. there is that.
ascii_field: will build it there as soon as the last round of amputation, referenced earlier, is complete
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assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 14:05:29; asciilifeform:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171972 << i find it smashingly hilarious that everyone today seems to still be buying that particular bit of wartime engineered psychosis. the 'fighting without pants, one rifle for three men' thing 100% lines up with the '41-'42 period when su was having the shit kicked out of it.
mircea_popescu: yes, by 44 they were doing okay, as far as everyone in europe was doing ok after five years of war.
mircea_popescu: and yes by 1955ish they were almost on par with the post-war us, on accounts of not being saddled with the baby bloomers.
mircea_popescu: but a) it all lasted as long as the sputnik and b) i forget what i wanted to be b.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: he was not ever, afaik, a puffer fish, either
mircea_popescu: specialisation is not the unilaterally superlative good it is presented as.
mircea_popescu: specialisation is, much akin to geting used to narrow spaces, a necessary evil.
mircea_popescu: not more necessary than the goods it actually provides are.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 14:12:53; asciilifeform: because why should some schmuck get to keep his pile ?
mircea_popescu: adults do this sometimes with children, pretend-give them things to motivate them "for their own good".
ascii_field: and on top of this, my understanding is that herr naggum was considerably 'more pashtun' than i
mircea_popescu: doubt the comparison "more pashtun than x" can be declared in scopes where nobody's killed anyone for honor.,
mircea_popescu: in any case the actual pashtuns might be nonplussed by the proposition.
ascii_field: meant shorthand as 'less of a doomed child of specialization and overcivilization in general'
mircea_popescu: is he more convergent than you, also ? can you apply CBS to your own monotony "to some degree" ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, to formalize a positive form for this, not merely the negative :
mircea_popescu: i propose to you that a team of two people selected from five that are only informed in general computer sanity can produce in the same time better software than the sum of all five, each schooled in one specialisation : sysadmin, webdev, db management, ux and marketing.
mircea_popescu: yes, this means that three people out of five would starve. guess what ? four of five starve now.
ascii_field: then i ask mircea_popescu, as best proof of this conjecture, to supply two people who know arse from elbow re: therealbitcoin from this pool
mircea_popescu: nonspecialisation would be strictly a better outcome. the only problem with it is that it relies on falsifying the "we are all human" dogma.
ascii_field: but, say, able to tell arse from elbow after, say, a month or two
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ascii_field: and these are supposed to be folks with 'only general sense of sanity' ?
ascii_field: iirc both have programmed for money their whole lives
mircea_popescu: i dunno... iirc mod6 couldn't get the laptop to open last i saw him :D
ascii_field: likewise, when mircea_popescu has occasion to visit a doctor, does he visit an 'obsolete' specialist, or just some fella who had a 'general sense of sanity' and decided, on a weekend lark, to open an anatomy book for an hour or two ?
mircea_popescu: i was about six, and my parents somehow had found an old jew - complete with chained pocketwatch - to be my personal physician
mircea_popescu: he was very much what i describe (not really what you charicaturize, obviously)
ascii_field: lucky then, that mircea_popescu did not need a doctor.
mircea_popescu: but i have some, however marginal, hope - that by the time i actually do, one might actually exist.
mircea_popescu: for otherwise, as the romanian expression goes, "nu ma prea vad in clar"
ascii_field: mircea_popescu might be a fan of the famous heinlein quote re: specialization ?
thestringpuller: was thinking about you in traffic this morning ascii_field
thestringpuller: thought to myself, "ascii has to deal with this shit for 4 hours a day. no use in my gettin' upset"
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i dunno about insects, but it is certainly a cheap if ineffectual way to assuage one's feelings of inadequacy.
mircea_popescu: consequently nobody's responsible for anything and whatever.
ascii_field: can we distinguish shit from shinola, even if only to the extend of admitting the existence of shinola ?
ascii_field doesn't recall perelman so much as threatening to have a wife
mircea_popescu: to their waiter - which they don't have - to their doctor - which idem - to their life, whatever it means, they're interchangeable.
ascii_field: i must confess that ^ makes literally no sense to me
ascii_field: why would they be interchangeable to their wives (supposing each had a wife) ?
mircea_popescu: guy is 3. he is easily the equal of anything life throws his way. master of his destiny, the three year old roars.
mircea_popescu: a decade passes, and the thirteen year old is confronted with the sad circumstance that hanna likes basketball players and rachel likes football players, and to become either you gotta talk to the respective coach, and the coach says you gotta spend all your time practicing. well... he can't readily spend all his time twice over.
mircea_popescu: at which point, guy specializes, and takes rachel. another guy, coming later, takes hanna. for less effort, but lesser pickings. and so with everyone.
thestringpuller: guy who has letter jacket from baseball, basketball and football.
mircea_popescu: then a kid from australia comes by, wants to play tennis, and well... none of the boys can play. because... mind you... not their speciality.
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mircea_popescu: given the lure of exotism, the only stable result here is where australia is a terrorist regime and all the guys sit around discussing immigration reform.
mircea_popescu: an excelent film, see it sometime. the plot is that a russian whore (which just means woman in her 20s) sells herself off to an english eunuch
mircea_popescu: she, of course, has a boy back home. and that boy... comes to check her out.
mircea_popescu: the way this movie is generally perceived is "oh, russian mob and mail order bride scam". nothing of the kind. the russian boy is pretty much playing it by the ear,
mircea_popescu: and there's a most endeering scheme where he and the current guy his girl is ... with, let's say, walk in the woods.
mircea_popescu: and the russian tries to talk to the brit. plainly, man to man. it involves some kickjumps in the vegetation. the other backs off like a cat from a calendar.
mircea_popescu: why exactly can't a random english kid talk the basic language of the other ?
ascii_field: is this yet another 'humans good, orcs bad' yarn
mircea_popescu: it demands an explanation. WHY is it that the brit can't talk to the other ? he DID actually come in peace.
mircea_popescu: up until that point, the big reveal (for him), where he discovers that his inferiority complex to "civilisation" is unfounded.
mircea_popescu: you recall the amply discussed "soviet realisation". the funny thing is, those people's sons had... a very similar realisation.
mircea_popescu: just how fucking hard is it to speak another's language ?
ascii_field: today you will find open discussion among thinking ru sphere folks, that 'islamic picture of western civ is essentially correct'
mircea_popescu: im not talking, previously, against specialisation in the anti intellectual, acultural manner you seem to have taken in.
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mircea_popescu: i merely speak of this : that when baker tells you a joke about yeast, you'd better fucking get it and laugh.
mircea_popescu: i have no doubt it is essentially correct, which is why i speak for isis more than i speak for the usg.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> something about the lock not being bsd or what was it << lol :D
ascii_field re: yeast laugh: graps that mircea_popescu is speaking the basic frustration of every polymath on planet 3 when confronting numbskulls
mircea_popescu: how much fucking polymacy does it take to get a fucking joke!
ascii_field: the basic minimal quota adult male circa, say, 1930, shipped from the factory with
ascii_field: ~that~ kind of 'specialized' can go straight to the biodiesel pot, yes
ascii_field: it is, at least partly, why i left academia
ascii_field: i.e. having to be in the same elevator as those people.
mircea_popescu was blessed with an early life in a land with no elevators
williamdunne: The women in Romania were beautiful, but I think Czech Republic had it beat out
chetty: large buildings (with elevators) look remarkably like beehives
williamdunne: Jesus Christ though, when I met the person at the bank I'd been working with for the past few months though..
mircea_popescu: chetty oh, and no "access control" either. as late as 1988 you cvould just fucking WALK INTO the super-secret-only-not-military-because-the-smart-kids-hated-corporals itci
mircea_popescu: ie, the place working to make missile controls and whatnot.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: we had elevators. which didn't work. fun on 15th floor
williamdunne: "Hey, once we've got this account opened, could I bend you over your desk and fuck you in front of your colleague?"
☟︎☟︎ trinque: williamdunne: there may be better strategies
mircea_popescu: williamdunne if you're that kind, which i hadn't judged you for. else, "wanna go for a bite after work ?"
williamdunne: Maybe I should have tried, sure I'll be there again soonish though
williamdunne: Still, being a babyfaced 18 year old isn't a good starting point
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chetty: never know if you dont try, really nothing to lose
mircea_popescu: ascii_field but to round it off : i am unimpressed with that utter fear of all usian pencildicks, "omg prison". seriously, lifetime pension ? tyvm. i am also unimpressed with the "difficulties" of "orcs" aka niggers in the us. i have never had a problem making sense of them or the reverse. and THIS is why i say the flight to suburbus is a purely sexual problem.
mircea_popescu: there is a deep link between sex and communication, not least of all because sex is the communication of biological material.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: williamdunne wouldja stop trying to make her decisions for her ?
mircea_popescu: "we reject gender specialisation, which is not something anyone asked us about - to focus on professional specialization, which is both impossible and counterproductive"
trinque: williamdunne: I recall working IT at a hotel in FL when I was 19
trinque: I'm sure I was "babyfaced"
ascii_field: so when will mircea_popescu be getting on the u.s. prison plane ?
trinque: chick who was my boss seemed overly friendly, went ahead and chatted her up one day after work
trinque: fucked her for a couple months thereafter
ascii_field: there is probably a nice lifetime pension reserved for him here
funkenstein_: the orcs are the pigs, the stormtroopers. right right?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field well i plan to shoot a few schmucks first. so just as soon as they can line up enough schmucks willing to be shot.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne they dont have sex jail in the czech republic.
williamdunne: I more meant it as a negative in terms of attraction
mircea_popescu: anyway, eastern europe bank strategy has been to hire supermodels because a) they're stupid b) they're cheap and c) the stupid and cheap peasants that are their parents still own their own real estate and the best way to get them to lose it to austrian banks is by hiring thei better looking daughters. which they don't fuck because weirdos, but merely drool over..
mircea_popescu: the same womenz exist in london, you don't see them in retail bank branches because nobody gives a shit about the english peasant.
williamdunne: Well, I wouldn't call her stupid. She's been rather useful
williamdunne: Either they didn't like me, or a heavily intoxicated Wil isn't good at reading signs
cazalla: you look pretty tanked and ignore these autists who think putting ya arm around ya mate is weird :P
williamdunne: Prague was pretty much me being tanked the entire time
williamdunne: I discovered that gay people like me very much, which I guess is a slight ego boost even if very useless to me
williamdunne: Hmmm the only twink I know of is WoW terminology
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 14:17:22; asciilifeform: mats: that herr naggum 'did not want to live' is profoundly obvious from the manner in which he died
mircea_popescu: williamdunne a twink is how you say ephebos these days. intelligence got nothing to do with it, just the internet derp seems to insist that anyone sensual is necessarily dumb fior this reason.
mircea_popescu: well it irritatyes not merely the feminist worldview, but also the collectivist worldview,
mircea_popescu: "i will see the world is more important than people!111!11"
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 14:33:29; asciilifeform: i can already picture mircea_popescu's 'recipe': 'naggum should've moved to argentina' 'me: with what' 'mircea: with shirt on his back' 'me: doing what' 'mircea: sharpening knives while living in dumpster' 'me: betcha he knew this, and didn't care for it'
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 13:55:47; asciilifeform: anyone notice if gavingang sent out 'alerts' recently ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the conjecture was based on an old thread re: naggum
ascii_field: where you did say 'why wasn't he on the next boat to ar'
mircea_popescu: yes but it carries more of the conjecturer than of the subject.
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2014 16:28:55; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's he to do in argentina? teach the pampas cats and ocelots common lisp ?
trinque: my ancestors left being rather well off in Italy
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the point was that location's irrelevant, there. which it is, or do you dispute ?
mircea_popescu: yes, i get it, you have heavy physical equipment. he was a software man.
ascii_field: it is absolutely relevant unless you are mircea_popescu, flyer of atomic dirigible
ascii_field: and it isn't about the equipment. i'd burn it all if meatwot were portable
ascii_field: naggum certainly did not stay in shitland on account of equipment.
mircea_popescu: more on account of not asking the bank clerk about fucking her over her desk ?
ascii_field: but, as i surmise, on account of 'rather die than compete with 16 year-olds on their home turf'
trinque: even that makes very little sense, as though death holds some better alternative
funkenstein_: i guess that meatwot wasn't worth sticking around for either. sometimes it isn't.
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ interesting how contradictory the proposition is huh
mircea_popescu: "he couldn't leave because he couldn't leave things he couldn't leave and then he left them"
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: competing with 16yos is how you end up fucking 16yos << hence why i said 'home turf'
ascii_field: advantage as in, where they have whatever advantage (such as being amorphous turds that can be molded to fit what world wants)
mircea_popescu: no dude. the species is coded so that women are sluts. which is to say, they fuck the novel.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Bid/Ask of same value and with positive quantity
mike_c: screenshot? I don't see that.
mike_c: only bug I see is euros are way overpriced.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: (such as being amorphous turds that can be molded to fit what world wants) << this is not what you make it out to be.
mircea_popescu: <gribble> 9.99999999994e-08 << that is an... interesting result.
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ascii_field: ^ 'what is the difference between windows 3.1 and windows 3.0?' '0, according to ms calc'
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 14:42:57; thestringpuller: hobo is a phenomenon of the city imo. if forced to be homeless I'd rather be homeless in a jungle or some deserted island and learn to survive there rather than in a city.
williamdunne: On an unrelated note, I like Tim Parsa of BitReserve
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 15:46:33; williamdunne: !rate Drhelmut 1 WhaleClub TS
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Some teamspeak thing for price speculators
mike_c: father's day, spent it by the pool
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 15:54:55; ben_vulpes: bunch of half-int btc holders talking about making markets?
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 15:55:36; mats: to be more generous, probably a buncha poor people following TAT around
mircea_popescu: mike_c oh, is that where the whole family gathers around to do osanali and genereally worship you ?
mike_c: yes, except my father was there too, so he got some worship as well.
mike_c: and i don't know what osanali is
mircea_popescu: turkish word. this specific calisthenic routine, person kneels then raises hands and then puts them on teh ground.
mike_c: ah, yes, well that happenned.
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.Drhelmut.1:6d6dc0f4b800d51f6f275f4a001247e02f9e809fbfc19fcc7bc78cceb76dff3a
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for Drhelmut with note: Runs some sort of teamspeak server.
mircea_popescu: osanali^ is the plural, and it'd need a thing on the i. otherwise osana, singular.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 16:02:31; chetty: teamspeak? eew why would one want to have people talking at you all the time?
mircea_popescu: groups benefit from a certain knowledge that a mechanism for disproportionate reaction exists (as discussed in that old arta pedepsirii article). this arrangement simply makes it exist without anyone actuall being personally involved, which is just what you'd expect these days.
mircea_popescu: in other news, that dude i tried to hire to do bitbet advertising absconded with the budget did he.
☟︎ gribble: isaackl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 0 days, 17 hours, 29 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <isaackl> For BitBet, SEO or finding sites with underutilised ad space (as with 8chan) is probably the way to go? Both take time though. I can send your btc back if you want as tbh I have little expertise in that world. Also let me know if you think my reasoning is flawed.
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assbot: Logged on 20-05-2015 10:08:38; mircea_popescu: i prefer to not communicate lol. do your job, report the methodology and results once you're done. you got a blog ?
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.isaackl.-1:72d3d56f7ac65a6e331b6b725cce0e408b21cf3a566d2340ca65326776f66734
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 16:32:46; assbot: im silly, but not that silly.
Drhelmut: god Wot is not user friendly at all
mircea_popescu: but, unlike other places that are not user friendly, like the us or the uk, at least it doesn't employ armed men to shoot you for trying to get in.
mircea_popescu: or was it for trying to get out ? i always get my empires mixed up.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 17:04:08; williamdunne: ascii_field: Sorry, still not home. Keeps getting delayed. Probably won't be back until Wednesday D:
mircea_popescu: ah which reminds me. ascii_field you ever seen pulp fiction ?
mircea_popescu: julius an' vincent have a number of intelligent, culturally relevant discussions. whych is why qt is such an intellectual titan.
ascii_field already had it on list, solely on account of who did it, but hasn't yet seen
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mike_c: kakobrekla: lol :D that's a good one
mircea_popescu: "C++ is philosophically and cognitively unsound as it forces a violation of all known epistemological processes on the programmer. as a language, it requires you to specify in great detail what you do not know in order to obtain the experience necessary to learn it. "
mircea_popescu: you know there's actually a strong possibility this assertion is correct. from my experience discussing programming with girls that don't program, it often comes to some derivative of exactly this.
mircea_popescu: either "how do you know that", "how was i supposed to know that" or the more broad "this shit is just fucking stupid already"
williamdunne: On a side note something I found to be interesting; whenever it came up that I preferred the traditional model of a wife being submissive to her husband who goes to work while she performs domestic duties, it was made out that I am a neo-nazi by people my own age
☟︎ mats: thats not egalitarian, man
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i had almost 100% same convo with a maths type who hated programming
ascii_field: 'requires me to name shit that doesn't deserve a name and wtf'
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Well, I didn't realize quite how deep SJW'ism was engraved into the souls of them
mircea_popescu: but for what it's worth, i don't believe C actually does this. i believe it is merely perceived to do so.
williamdunne: I never even said anything particularly controversial in my opinion; only that I would prefer a wife who didn't work over one that did
ascii_field: cpp, and other idiocies that force-rape the programmer with 'classes' etc - do.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne why would you prefer a wife that didn't work, and if you do, how do you know you're not actually looking for a mistress ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field even cpp. let's model this on the act of telling a joke.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Wife was simply for their understanding, I'm not particularly concerned with the idea of marriage
mircea_popescu: now, you've probably heard enough jokes in your time to know there are two basic styles. one style is "some guy walks into a bar" and the other style is "this bloke joe walks into the bar".
mircea_popescu: the former is often trampled on by scoping questions by the [lamer] members of the audience. the second uses misdirection (the name's a throwaway) to perhaps enhance the results.,
mircea_popescu: "why should i know who some guy's name is to be able to tell a joke ?" "you only need to know the name if you plan to reuse it"
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mircea_popescu: "objective", except the objectivity is pure nominalism.
mircea_popescu: which makes it very much an idealism masquerading as an objectivism which then drives a particular sort of people up the wall.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne point being, if the bitch ain't working for you, she's the pimp and you're the ho.
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felipelalli: this conversation about programming languages, lol!
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Sure, I guess thats kinda my point
felipelalli: ascii_field: are you a scheme programmer too? If yes, which dialect?
williamdunne: The confusion on my point is the extreme objection to this on the part of my peers
trinque: felipelalli: one doesn't tend to be an X programmer past a certain proficiency
ascii_field: felipelalli: i haven't used scheme in anger in many years.
williamdunne: Although, I'm now thinking that unless I'm given some particularly large incentive not too, I would like to move somewhere in Eastern Europe
felipelalli: trinque: you're right, my question was if ascii_field did program in scheme before.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I thought it was quite interesting that Romanian doesn't distinguish between to win and to earn though
mircea_popescu: "one can only imagine what having to lie to your compiler _every_ day and to make unwarranted guesses that your colleagues will depend on the same way they depend on your hard-earned knowledge _does_ to a human brain -- I know I couldn't handle even the prospect of it." << ya ya. welcome to real life (tm). this is what it is. exactly. there shall never be an escape from it, it is the indelible mark of superiority,
mircea_popescu: the notion that one can run out of it by running out of c is ridiculous.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field this goes right into our discussion about how the only reason lisp is ok where c is shot is that the hordes haven't sat on lisp but on c, would have been the other way around if they had sat the other way.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: ascii_field one day ima have an original thought. i swear.
ascii_field: rather like saying 'this bridge is only here because sufficiently large column of tanks has not yet gone on it'
ascii_field: enough tanks, made of neutron star, and any bridge will go down.
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mircea_popescu: williamdunne what you'll be more interested will be to hear that a) romanian uses a unified concept for gain, which covers "gain from playing the one man bandit", "gain for gainful employment", "gain from having said a funny joke", "gaining time" etc, but the actual word, cistiga, is a direct usage of the latin castigat.
mircea_popescu: as in, castigat ridendo mores. to, literally, beat into shape.
williamdunne: Ahh, I wish he'd gone into more detail thats kinda interesting
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 21:06:53; williamdunne: On a side note something I found to be interesting; whenever it came up that I preferred the traditional model of a wife being submissive to her husband who goes to work while she performs domestic duties, it was made out that I am a neo-nazi by people my own age
williamdunne: cazalla: If they hate the job, why'd ya give it to them?
trinque: traditional models are for boring people
mircea_popescu: great training tool tho. what's clueless girly to do ?
cazalla: williamdunne, well because she's a good mum (the hate my job part is really just having less time for oneself)
williamdunne: cazalla: Fair nuff, I'm not so keen on the idea of children that I have to look after so between myself and domestic duties they would still have time for themselves, you would hope
cazalla: why do you prefer the traditional model of a wife if no desire for kids?
trinque: think he means that *he* has to bother with
mircea_popescu: either because he wants to buy a whore rather than rent ; or because he wants a mistress but is affraid of her bulls.
mircea_popescu: strangely enough, two very different problems manifesting in the same can.
williamdunne: Permanent companionship/sexual fulfilment without the hassle of children?
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Not really scared of bulls, but I don't want to share
cazalla: williamdunne, biggest mistake i made at your age was believing i needed to get into a relationship with women to maintain regular sex
mircea_popescu: are you looking for a woman to worship you, that you really don't give a shit about ; or for a woman to worship yourself, that doesn't really give a shit about you.
williamdunne: Well in which case option 1 is the beyond obvious choice
mircea_popescu: never mind what's obvious, nobody asked your impression of collected social pressure. question's what you would rather.
trinque: everyone needs something productive to do; what's she going to do, stare at a picture of you all day while you're off living?
williamdunne: Why should she work? Are there not alternatives to a job
trinque: wtf do you think paid for is?
mircea_popescu: don't the online whores these days call it exactly that ?
trinque: williamdunne: I have had chicks that don't have a career, and seen the detriment idleness can be
trinque: so it's a garden, or whatever, still she needs to see that her life has some kind of point
cazalla: well if she's not kept busy raising your kids or some other hobby, don't be surprised when she ends up in the bed of another
mircea_popescu: if it's worth paying for is work, and if it's not then it doesn't answer to this line.
mircea_popescu: "Because I am not religious, I have no mystical conception of an afterlife. To me, a person lives on not in Heaven or Hell but instead in the minds and hearts of those they touched while alive"
williamdunne: By work, I strictly mean doing something which you have to do to support yourself financially
mircea_popescu: fucktarded progressive sectarian nuts. "i have no religion except this wonky religion that i claim not to be one"
trinque: so she's supporting herself by being paid by you to do work you find valuable
mircea_popescu: were you basically meaning to say "my idea of ideal marriage is where im just rich enough to not give a fuck" but misstated it as "woman should not work out of the house" and ended up irritating random people ?
williamdunne: Only a handful were particularly irritated, and they weren't worth keeping contact with anyhow
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2015 01:58:55; trinque: what I'm gathering though is I have very little rational options beyond get rich, and do it now
cazalla: anyway williamdunne, you're what? 18? i wouldn't even give thought to wife and kids until you hit your 30s or perhaps even later, go whore it up for the next 15 years
williamdunne: Aha, its not something I intend to do within the near future
cazalla: well better to encourage the sluts around you to get naked than to tell them you think a boring housewife is a better proposition than them
mircea_popescu: total mismatch between meaning and expression, babyface.
mircea_popescu: btw, check out how nicely the cult's gangster outlook is rounding out! we now have a guy nicknamed babyface even.
mircea_popescu: hopefully someone named schultz joins. i think you haveto have one.
trinque needs to start wearing more suits
mircea_popescu: i swear the quality of tx relaying is shittening every day.
mircea_popescu: the number of txn broadcast through one node used to be pretty much zero. i would guess by now it's over 10%. which is fucking insane.
mircea_popescu: (for the amaterus : txn propagation has a lot in common with epidemiology, a topic recently trouched upon here. in any case : the spots where a transaction goes from "unknown" to "broadcast through one node" to "broadcast to the whole net" are interesting in the general case. and the first move thereof a very good measure of "quality", basically speaking the inverse of an infection's pathogenicity)
mircea_popescu: (seeing how a transaction lives as such a finite interval before being included in a block, the % of txn that live as "known to one" vs the total "known to all" is of particular interest)
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 20:24:39; mike_c: only bug I see is euros are way overpriced.
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jurov: i implore theee, speak up
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mats: ill take a dog over a robot any day
jurov: !gettrust ag3nt_zer0
jurov: except maybe i found out i killed 88 hours in eulora in june
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mats: would buy this poster
jurov: !rate ag3nt_zer0 1 n3w bl00d
mats: where's the nubs at
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ag3nt_zer0: jurov: haha well it all ends badly so don't sweat it
jurov: !v assbot:jurov.rate.ag3nt_zer0.1:2e1c33c6523854294ce76c0385e143a9600c5e02c9164ae65268f0d12ed646f6
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for ag3nt_zer0 with note: n3w bl00d
jurov: ohmy another talmudic scholar
ag3nt_zer0: I notice that I am one of the few using the mangled substitution of numbers for characters... if this is crass I can change it haha... but is it possible to migrate my trust? probably not huh?
jurov: since you have no ratings yet, can just get a new key and register new acct
jurov: but it's fine i guess
ag3nt_zer0: is it possible that btc will have any positive effect on the wretched educational system?
mats: the beatings will continue until morale improves
trinque: also beatings for not giving out enough beatings
mats: its beatings all the way down
ag3nt_zer0: I am coming from the viewpoint of a non-castrated teacher that believes in the transmissibility of the flame - but sees the flame has been hijacked and perverted by the marxist fag multicultis
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cazalla: ag3nt_zer0, not from /pol/ are you ?
trinque: he's the second to last rhodesian
ag3nt_zer0: cazalla: no, I don't know what that is
williamdunne: The politics board on many different imageboards
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: seems to me you can't fix education in its present form.
trinque: current system is predicated on the idea that mass production of "educated" is even possible
trinque: amply treated here in many threads already
williamdunne: Eh, seems like it is a good thing even if just at a primary level
williamdunne: Although the whole no kid left behind thing is bullshit no matter the level
trinque: williamdunne: sure and that primary level shouldn't be considered educated
williamdunne: Sorry, misread as "education" as a wider group rather than educated
ag3nt_zer0: yes, the system is fucked, but I wonder about the feasibility of something created entirely outside of it... maybe on a barge...
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: worked for the scientologists though
trinque: there's a cult that got places
ag3nt_zer0: williamdunne: yes no matter what some will be left behind
trinque: their tax exempt status is the greatest heist of all time
trinque: no product, fanatics at your disposal, massive prices for your non-product, no taxes
trinque: and hell I'm only half kidding
trinque: look at what those fucking nutbags pulled off
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trinque: artifexd: save us obi wan kenobi
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: yup, "ok google"
trinque: just them doing their job, really
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: given what an extraordinary intelligence asset google hypothetically "could" be it's inconceivable that they are not
trinque: and the relationship is likely 5% official
mats: is pretty well known schmidt is part of meta-nsa
mats: other statal regimes have realized google's sigint model beats deep packet inspection every time
mats: so guess whats being built nao
ag3nt_zer0: well, can't wait till maidsafe saves us all from that!... kidding
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jurov: ag3nt_zer0: you can now !up yourself
williamdunne: Eh, looks like some code is happening at least
williamdunne: this is *definitely* not an endorsement, I was simply wondering if they'd run with the money or if they were pretending to do something
ag3nt_zer0: so, if structuralism and post-structuralism are reactions against "traditional" humanism, and "tradition" in general (which seems untenable given that I see Traditonal metaphysics as opposed to humanism), would post-post-structuralism be pro-traditionalism to some degree?
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trinque: williamdunne: did you ever get her keys squared? lol
williamdunne: Nope, she never came back while I was still in the UK
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trinque: ag3nt_zer0: no offense but I have no idea what you just said
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: structuralism smacks of "that stolen-from is not your stolen-from; it's all of ours"
trinque: an attempt of many to claim some aggregate which supercedes the individual
trinque: so if it's one of those, oldest swindle there is
trinque: I don't see anything new; talented people try to do interesting things, and others try to hold him back to varying degrees
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: well I had no idea what structuralism was but read something by mircer_popescu and at the end he said "welcome to the post-post- structuralist world that the internet has enabled" or something to that effect... that got me looking at structuralisma dn post structuralism and I was just confused because what I read was that structuralism was a reaction against humanism -and- tradition,, but as far as i understand,
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ag3nt_zer0: I guess I am just trying to grasy what mp was excited about... it did seem like he saw a lot of light in the development, philosophically speaking
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trinque: ah, you'll have to ask him then
ag3nt_zer0: anyway it's just nice to be in a room that has some good heads in it...
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: how do you define traditionalism?
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: shotgun definition: orientation toward a suprahuman or transcendental "dimension"
☟︎ trinque: it's interesting then to see humanism in contrast to that term, as humanism seems to imagine this platonic form of "human" which we all resemble, and are therefore intrinsically valuable somehow
ag3nt_zer0: it is really perennial traditionalism, or perennialism that I am thinking of
ag3nt_zer0: well I suppose one way to english the difference is that a traditional orientation would be vertical (upward, toward the absolute, what not), vs horizontal (man is measure of all things and human contentment and "happiness" main goals)
trinque: I tend to be wary of systems that try to provide a taxonomy of human action
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: I see roughly what you're pointing at; what do you make of it?
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: more pointedly, I tend to assume that where someone makes broad generalizations about "being", they've actually given me a command
trinque: and I tend to interpret it along those lines, rather than there actually existing some transcendental realm where concepts exist, dance about, generating meaning
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: well the stuff of matter must rest upon something, no?
trinque: thought that which matter rests upon was an open question
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: are you a mathematical person?
trinque: I'm just a derpy guy with very little formal education.
ag3nt_zer0: haha which means you have been subjected to less lobotomy
trinque: somewhat; though I will not tell the future students of the republic's university to do otherwise
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: thanks, I'll put it in my queue to read